[01:14] <Len-1204> astraljava: Re: pulse to jack bridging.
[01:14] <Len-1204> I think I have found the solution. It just needs to be automated.
[01:15] <Len-1204> I have installed todays US and set it for RT... user is already in group audio.
[01:17] <Len-1204> starting jack with qjackctl shows pulse through jack... but no audio plays. killall pulseaudio -> open the pulseaudio control app. This starts pulse up again and everything works.
[01:19] <Len-1204> I think that while pulse audio put the jack bridging in place it never lets go of alsa as one of its outputs.
[01:20] <Len-1204> The pulseaudio controler showed two outputs when it wasn't working and now only shows jack when it works.
[01:22] <Len-1204> Big plus when running pulse into jackd.... pulse has no access to alsa controls ;-)
[01:23] <Len-1204> This is good and bad. The plus is that for example with audacity where it starts a connection with pulse at record buttom push
[01:24] <Len-1204> pulse can't then muck with the capture controls that have been carefully set.
[01:24] <Len-1204> The minus is that setting those controls could be less intuitive.
[01:26] <Len-1204> There are two sets of controls ;-) the alsa set and the pulse set.
[01:27] <Len-1204> The pulse set is software.
[02:31] <Len-1204> Earlier we talked about making sure that any of the missing applications from workflows will install and will run.
[02:32] <Len-1204> audacity is a yes. In fact it works better with PA/jackd bridging. It can record what a PA client is doing... so someone doing a "podcat
[02:33] <Len-1204> "podcast" using skype. can call someone and record it.
[02:34] <Len-1204> (I actually had someone ask how that exact thing could be done)
[02:47] <Len-1204> Installed ubuntu-standard. with nano, telnet (which can be used for lots of things besides remote login BTW)
[02:49] <Len-1204> That also installed ufw and perhaps some other things that may now run from start up... not sure if that is a good thing... having more stuff run. But having a cli editor I can use with out a manual on my lap is good.
[03:05] <Len-1204> Linux sampler seems to be a lib not an app so I installed qsampler which is LS with a gui.
[03:08] <Len-1204> Hmm, qsampler installs... doesn't show in menu though there is a desktop file. I can't run it though. It start the linuxsampler server but can't connect to it (connection refused)
[03:08] <ailo> linux-sampler is not installed, is it?
[03:09] <ailo> It's "non free"
[03:09] <Len-1204> I think qsampler installs it as a depends
[03:09] <ailo> At least last time I checked
[03:09] <Len-1204> Then maybe it should not be in our workflows?
[03:09] <ailo> Is there even a package in the repo?
[03:10] <Len-1204> seems to be
[03:10] <Len-1204> qsampler is there
[03:10] <Len-1204> it seemed to pull in something.
[03:10] <ailo> qsampler is just the frontend and is under a different license
[03:11] <ailo> The thing with linux-sampler is that the license i GPL but with a restriction
[03:11] <Len-1204> qsampler starts a server it says is linuxsampler
[03:11] <ailo> I guess to prevent it to be used in hardware samplers or something, who knows
[03:12] <ailo> Len-1204: Do apt-cache search linux-sampler or linuxsampler
[03:12] <Len-1204> it seems to start... but maybe it has no way of knowing besides if it can connect
[03:12] <ailo> Len-1204: I don't think there is any linux sampler there
[03:13] <ailo> Or what's the command to show dependencies for a package?
[03:13] <Len-1204> root@ustudio1204:~# apt-cache search linuxsampler
[03:13] <Len-1204> gigedit - instrument editor for Gigasampler files
[03:13] <Len-1204> liblscp-dbg - LinuxSampler Control Protocol library - debugging symbols
[03:13] <Len-1204> liblscp-dev - Development files for LinuxSampler Control Protocol library
[03:13] <Len-1204> liblscp6 - LinuxSampler Control Protocol wrapper library
[03:13] <Len-1204> qsampler - LinuxSampler GUI frontend based on the Qt toolkit
[03:13] <ailo> I know this cause I used to compile linux sampler for ubuntu now and then in the past
[03:14] <ailo> It has a restriction that makes it impossible to add it to the repo
[03:14] <Len-1204> I think it is something (at least for now) to remove from the workflows
[03:15] <Len-1204> How about xsynth?
[03:15] <ailo> I don't know what that is
[03:16] <ailo> falktx builds linux-sampler for his ppa, so if it is to be used in a workflow documentation somewhere, a ppa would be needed
[03:16] <ailo> It would probably be best to create a new ppa for just those odd packages
[03:16] <Len-1204> xsynth is already included
[03:17] <Len-1204> there is a wsynth which is a wavetable hack on xsynth that looks interesting.
[03:17] <falktx> DSSI stuff is being deprecated
[03:18] <Len-1204> Ah, so it should be removed?
[03:18] <falktx> no
[03:18] <Len-1204> we are moving to LV2?
[03:18] <falktx> deprecated doesn't mean good, just that it won't be there for too long
[03:19] <falktx> LV2 is the future, in theory
[03:19] <falktx> I don't ha
[03:19] <falktx> err
[03:19] <falktx> I don't like it
[03:19] <Len-1204> Will dssi be here long enough to last for 12.04?
[03:20] <falktx> of course
[03:20] <Len-1204> 3 years I thnk
[03:20] <falktx> dssi stuff won't go anywhere, but new apps will stop supporting it
[03:20] <falktx> so slowly it gets less usable
[03:21] <Len-1204> there is a plugin module we ship that mounts them and ports them to jack... as long as we have that we are ok
[03:24] <Len-1204> Nope, I'm wrong. they are lv2 racks
[03:28] <Len-1204> There are two dssi bridge programs though, maybe we should include one of them.
[03:28] <ailo> There's something called ghostess
[03:29] <Len-1204> dssi-host-jack works with jack and ghostess bridges to lv2
[03:30] <falktx> what?
[03:31] <ailo> I only know that hexter uses dssi-host-jack. No idea how that works
[03:31] <Len-1204> nope sorry ghostess is the gui for the first one
[03:31] <ailo> I often us hexter as a standalone thing
[03:32] <ailo> Just tried ghostess
[03:32] <ailo> It's some kind of a very simple gui
[03:32] <ailo> For dssi plugins
[03:32] <Len-1204> naspro-bridges is the one that goes to lv2
[03:33] <Len-1204> I'm trying them both
[03:37] <Len-1204> naspro makes all the dssi synths show up in zynjacku
[03:48] <Len-1204> ghostess is not user friendly. requires cli to start. I would suggest naspro-bridges as it installs and just works.
[03:52] <falktx> naspro doesn't do dssi guis
[03:52] <falktx> which makes fluidsynth and hexter useless
[03:52] <falktx> maybe others
[03:55] <Len-1204> it does give control in a gui, just not the gui it came with.
[03:55] <falktx> that's not the point
[03:55] <Len-1204> not the gui the dssi came with
[03:55] <falktx> fluidsynth for example has no parameters
[03:56] <falktx> so zynjacku will not display anything in the UI
[03:56] <falktx> it needs the internal plugin UI to select a soundfont
[03:57] <Len-1204> Ok, actually neither fluidsynth or hexter show up in zynjacku anyway.
[03:59] <Len-1204> hexter can run stand alone and fluid has qsynth
[04:00] <Len-1204> naspro allows xsynth and wsynth to work stand alone as well.
[04:04] <ailo> hexter can't run as standalone without jack-dssi-host
[04:04] <Len-1204> Frescobaldi pulls in lilypond. 
[04:04] <Len-1204> do we have that?
[04:06] <Len-1204> lilypond-doc is very big. 237M we may want to install without. and download after we have network.
[04:14] <Len-1204> Yeah, we have jack-dssi-host.
[04:35] <Len-1204> Frescobaldi/lilypond installs and runs.. I am not a good tester of this though as I am not someone who follows music... chord charts are about it.
[04:37] <Len-1204> CSound/celia load and run.... again I don't know how well it runs
[04:38] <Len-1204> chuck is not available in repo.
[05:04]  * micahg sees chuck in the repo
[05:04] <micahg> chuck | 1.2.0.8.dfsg-1.4 | precise/universe | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc
[05:12] <Len-1204> found it, thanks.
[05:12] <Len-1204> xwax loads. It is a cli utility. I can't test it with no equipment though.
[05:17] <Len-1204> Chuck has a learning curve,but installs and runs as best I can tell.
[05:26] <Len-1204> Mixxx looks good. I can get sound out of it. Too big for my tiny screen though, actually manages to stop PA. Probably any reasonable laptop would be fine, but a desktop would be better. (soundcard wise too)
[05:28] <Len-1204> rivendell? I can't find it.
[05:29] <Len-1204> IJDC? can't find that either
[05:34] <TheMuso> idjc
[05:34] <TheMuso> idjc is in precise.
[05:46] <Len-1204> I just found it. I'm not sure if its on the workflows page wrong or I copied it wrong.
[05:48] <Len-1204> darkice installs ok as does darksnow. I dont have a server to try it with though. darksnow is a gui for darkice.
[05:49] <Len-1204> darksnow coredumbed when I exited.
[05:49] <Len-1204> is it worth having dark ice without icecast?
[05:52] <Len-1204> icecast is small, but requires questions to be answered while installing. ubiquity wouldn't handle that.
[05:57] <Len-1204> Also, the install of icecast starts the icecast server... in foreground...
[06:04] <Len-1204> idjc looks good. Talks to jack etc. I would need a running icecast server to try it out well :-)