[01:14] astraljava: Re: pulse to jack bridging. [01:14] I think I have found the solution. It just needs to be automated. [01:15] I have installed todays US and set it for RT... user is already in group audio. [01:17] starting jack with qjackctl shows pulse through jack... but no audio plays. killall pulseaudio -> open the pulseaudio control app. This starts pulse up again and everything works. [01:19] I think that while pulse audio put the jack bridging in place it never lets go of alsa as one of its outputs. [01:20] The pulseaudio controler showed two outputs when it wasn't working and now only shows jack when it works. [01:22] Big plus when running pulse into jackd.... pulse has no access to alsa controls ;-) [01:23] This is good and bad. The plus is that for example with audacity where it starts a connection with pulse at record buttom push [01:24] pulse can't then muck with the capture controls that have been carefully set. [01:24] The minus is that setting those controls could be less intuitive. [01:26] There are two sets of controls ;-) the alsa set and the pulse set. [01:27] The pulse set is software. [02:31] Earlier we talked about making sure that any of the missing applications from workflows will install and will run. [02:32] audacity is a yes. In fact it works better with PA/jackd bridging. It can record what a PA client is doing... so someone doing a "podcat [02:33] "podcast" using skype. can call someone and record it. [02:34] (I actually had someone ask how that exact thing could be done) [02:47] Installed ubuntu-standard. with nano, telnet (which can be used for lots of things besides remote login BTW) [02:49] That also installed ufw and perhaps some other things that may now run from start up... not sure if that is a good thing... having more stuff run. But having a cli editor I can use with out a manual on my lap is good. [03:05] Linux sampler seems to be a lib not an app so I installed qsampler which is LS with a gui. [03:08] Hmm, qsampler installs... doesn't show in menu though there is a desktop file. I can't run it though. It start the linuxsampler server but can't connect to it (connection refused) [03:08] linux-sampler is not installed, is it? [03:09] It's "non free" [03:09] I think qsampler installs it as a depends [03:09] At least last time I checked [03:09] Then maybe it should not be in our workflows? [03:09] Is there even a package in the repo? [03:10] seems to be [03:10] qsampler is there [03:10] it seemed to pull in something. [03:10] qsampler is just the frontend and is under a different license [03:11] The thing with linux-sampler is that the license i GPL but with a restriction [03:11] qsampler starts a server it says is linuxsampler [03:11] I guess to prevent it to be used in hardware samplers or something, who knows [03:12] Len-1204: Do apt-cache search linux-sampler or linuxsampler [03:12] it seems to start... but maybe it has no way of knowing besides if it can connect [03:12] Len-1204: I don't think there is any linux sampler there [03:13] Or what's the command to show dependencies for a package? [03:13] root@ustudio1204:~# apt-cache search linuxsampler [03:13] gigedit - instrument editor for Gigasampler files [03:13] liblscp-dbg - LinuxSampler Control Protocol library - debugging symbols [03:13] liblscp-dev - Development files for LinuxSampler Control Protocol library [03:13] liblscp6 - LinuxSampler Control Protocol wrapper library [03:13] qsampler - LinuxSampler GUI frontend based on the Qt toolkit [03:13] I know this cause I used to compile linux sampler for ubuntu now and then in the past [03:14] It has a restriction that makes it impossible to add it to the repo [03:14] I think it is something (at least for now) to remove from the workflows [03:15] How about xsynth? [03:15] I don't know what that is [03:16] falktx builds linux-sampler for his ppa, so if it is to be used in a workflow documentation somewhere, a ppa would be needed [03:16] It would probably be best to create a new ppa for just those odd packages [03:16] xsynth is already included [03:17] there is a wsynth which is a wavetable hack on xsynth that looks interesting. [03:17] DSSI stuff is being deprecated [03:18] Ah, so it should be removed? [03:18] no [03:18] we are moving to LV2? [03:18] deprecated doesn't mean good, just that it won't be there for too long [03:19] LV2 is the future, in theory [03:19] I don't ha [03:19] err [03:19] I don't like it [03:19] Will dssi be here long enough to last for 12.04? [03:20] of course [03:20] 3 years I thnk [03:20] dssi stuff won't go anywhere, but new apps will stop supporting it [03:20] so slowly it gets less usable [03:21] there is a plugin module we ship that mounts them and ports them to jack... as long as we have that we are ok [03:24] Nope, I'm wrong. they are lv2 racks [03:28] There are two dssi bridge programs though, maybe we should include one of them. [03:28] There's something called ghostess [03:29] dssi-host-jack works with jack and ghostess bridges to lv2 [03:30] what? [03:31] I only know that hexter uses dssi-host-jack. No idea how that works [03:31] nope sorry ghostess is the gui for the first one [03:31] I often us hexter as a standalone thing [03:32] Just tried ghostess [03:32] It's some kind of a very simple gui [03:32] For dssi plugins [03:32] naspro-bridges is the one that goes to lv2 [03:33] I'm trying them both [03:37] naspro makes all the dssi synths show up in zynjacku [03:48] ghostess is not user friendly. requires cli to start. I would suggest naspro-bridges as it installs and just works. [03:52] naspro doesn't do dssi guis [03:52] which makes fluidsynth and hexter useless [03:52] maybe others [03:55] it does give control in a gui, just not the gui it came with. [03:55] that's not the point [03:55] not the gui the dssi came with [03:55] fluidsynth for example has no parameters [03:56] so zynjacku will not display anything in the UI [03:56] it needs the internal plugin UI to select a soundfont [03:57] Ok, actually neither fluidsynth or hexter show up in zynjacku anyway. [03:59] hexter can run stand alone and fluid has qsynth [04:00] naspro allows xsynth and wsynth to work stand alone as well. [04:04] hexter can't run as standalone without jack-dssi-host [04:04] Frescobaldi pulls in lilypond. [04:04] do we have that? [04:06] lilypond-doc is very big. 237M we may want to install without. and download after we have network. [04:14] Yeah, we have jack-dssi-host. [04:35] Frescobaldi/lilypond installs and runs.. I am not a good tester of this though as I am not someone who follows music... chord charts are about it. [04:37] CSound/celia load and run.... again I don't know how well it runs [04:38] chuck is not available in repo. [05:04] * micahg sees chuck in the repo [05:04] chuck | 1.2.0.8.dfsg-1.4 | precise/universe | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc [05:12] found it, thanks. [05:12] xwax loads. It is a cli utility. I can't test it with no equipment though. [05:17] Chuck has a learning curve,but installs and runs as best I can tell. [05:26] Mixxx looks good. I can get sound out of it. Too big for my tiny screen though, actually manages to stop PA. Probably any reasonable laptop would be fine, but a desktop would be better. (soundcard wise too) [05:28] rivendell? I can't find it. [05:29] IJDC? can't find that either [05:34] idjc [05:34] idjc is in precise. [05:46] I just found it. I'm not sure if its on the workflows page wrong or I copied it wrong. [05:48] darkice installs ok as does darksnow. I dont have a server to try it with though. darksnow is a gui for darkice. [05:49] darksnow coredumbed when I exited. [05:49] is it worth having dark ice without icecast? [05:52] icecast is small, but requires questions to be answered while installing. ubiquity wouldn't handle that. [05:57] Also, the install of icecast starts the icecast server... in foreground... [06:04] idjc looks good. Talks to jack etc. I would need a running icecast server to try it out well :-) === Guest21792 is now known as jussi01