[20:00] <XartaoX> g'day
[20:00] <XartaoX> still fighting with the keyboard volume knob issue. very annoying.
[20:01] <XartaoX> looking thru settings and mixers, it looks like the ALSA master volume has NO affect at all .. only PulseAudio volume has any affect
[20:02] <XartaoX> also, using the volume knob, it affects the PulseAudio volume and the std. headphone volume ... altho in such a limited range it's useless
[20:02] <XartaoX> SO ... what benefits does PulseAudio give me (why would I want to keep it) and what negatives would removing it have, if any?
[20:02] <XartaoX> i see also i can just disable it at startup to see if that makes any difference
[20:04] <XartaoX> also, i notice in the Session and Startup panel an "XFCE Volume Daemon (Daemon managing the volume multimedia keys and displaying volume notifications)"
[20:04] <XartaoX> i'm wondering if THAT could be the issue, and how i configure it?
[20:06] <XartaoX> reading up on PulseAudio, I learned that if I installed it on my win xp machine I could (potentially) send audio from my workstation TO my media server to output thru that ... which would be pretty damn cool
[20:07] <XartaoX> i've been considering running the Line-Out from my workstation to the Line-In of my media server for that very purpose!
[20:07] <XartaoX> I find it QUITE odd tho that the std. master volume control in the system mixer has NO influence on the system volume tho
[20:15] <XartaoX> oh .. and i DID ask about this over in #xubuntu too ... no help there really ...they directed me to some app called KeyTouch
[20:16] <XartaoX> my intuition tho tells me it's some inter-configuration issue between ALSA and PulseAudio ... which would (i think) make it an Ubuntu Studio issue
[20:16] <XartaoX> :D :D :D
[21:00] <XartaoX> YAY!!
[21:01] <XartaoX> fixed the keyboard volume knob issue!!   via this page :: http://ulno.net/2011/04/16/mixer-control-with-multimedia-keys-und-multiple-soundcards-in-xfce4-on-debian-or-ubuntu/
[21:01] <XartaoX> the active-card and sound-card settings were different ... i had to copy the setting from sound-card to active-card ... now it works! :D :D :D
[21:09] <cfhowlett> XartaoX: http://imagebin.org/196269
[21:11] <XartaoX> LOLZ
[21:11] <XartaoX> i share my solution in case you encounter others with similar problems ;)
[21:11] <XartaoX> took a good deal of reasearch
[21:11] <holstein> wait til you reboot and those change too ;)
[21:12] <XartaoX> noooooo!!!
[21:13] <XartaoX> i already logged out and back in .. changes stuck
[21:13] <holstein> cool :)
[21:13] <XartaoX> i also figured out (with help from #xubuntu) how to make my extended desktop settings stick on reboot
[21:13] <XartaoX> :D
[21:13] <XartaoX> only remaining problem is this whole unable-to-come-back-from-suspend thing
[21:14] <XartaoX> but for today? enuf trubl shooting!  time to play with audio apps!!!!
[21:14] <XartaoX> question tho: which apps would i want to use to record my MIDI input from several synths plus a drum machine so I can record a final song out to audio I can put up on SoundCloud ?
[21:16] <holstein> i dont sleep or suspend desktops
[21:16] <holstein> JACK will *freak* if you sleep while its running
[21:17] <holstein> XartaoX: rosegarden, qtractor, ardour3... any sequencer really
[21:17] <XartaoX> righto
[21:18] <XartaoX> and i use LADI to route the MIDI from each synth/etc. I use TO the sequencer ?
[21:19] <XartaoX> then in multiple passes record IN the sequencer my MIDI input with a synth, then move on to another while the sequencer plays what I already recorded ... etc. etc ...
[21:19] <XartaoX> ??
[21:19] <holstein> XartaoX: i just use jack connect
[21:19] <holstein> you can ust ladi or whatever
[21:19] <XartaoX> i like how LADI uses a graphical nodes routing setup
[21:20] <holstein> rosegarden or qtractor
[21:20] <holstein> XartaoX: sure.. use that if you like
[21:20] <XartaoX> rosegarden isn't installed .. been thinkin bout it
[21:20] <holstein> XartaoX: ask in #opensourcemusicians too
[21:20] <XartaoX> k
[21:20] <holstein> i do *very* little mide
[21:20] <holstein> though, qtractor and RG are the regulars
[21:20] <holstein> midi*
[21:21] <XartaoX> also ... i know yer trying to keep the base US install light, but you MIGHT want to consider including MyPaint in future releases. VERY nice digital painting app!!
[21:21] <holstein> XartaoX: its a DVD
[21:21] <holstein> i dont care
[21:21] <holstein> but, you have to stop somewhere
[21:21] <holstein> and you cant please everyone
[21:22] <XartaoX> if interested ... :: the solution to my extended desktop not being remembered was to add the script created by agrandr to my startup apps
[21:22] <holstein> XartaoX: feel free and join #ubuntustudio-devel
[21:22] <XartaoX> i get it. MyPaint is well worth it tho. i find it indispensible
[21:22] <XartaoX> maybe :D
[21:22] <holstein> XartaoX: nah.. you'll need to *do something to get that included
[21:23] <holstein> you can join that channel, and go to a meeting and suggest it
[21:23] <XartaoX> fair nuf
[21:23] <holstein> you can add it to the meetings agenda
[21:23] <holstein> you can join the mailing lists
[21:23] <holstein> im not saying it wont happen
[21:23] <holstein> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[21:23] <holstein> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[21:24] <XartaoX> whelllll .. i'll hold off on that for now
[21:24] <XartaoX> XD
[21:24] <holstein> for example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2012February19
[21:24] <holstein> you add "id like to get paint in 12.04"
[21:24] <holstein> you show up
[21:24] <holstein> you say why
[21:24] <holstein> you try and get someone to put it in
[21:25] <holstein> im grinding some different axes myself
[21:25] <holstein> and again, you just have to stop somewher
[21:25] <holstein> e
[21:25] <holstein> XartaoX: but... i totally agree
[21:25] <holstein> thats a simple paint app that could really help
[21:26] <XartaoX> most useful with a tablet .. which, sadly, i do not yet have ... fine with a mouse too tho
[21:26] <XartaoX> my problem is: having USED an Intuos, i won't be happy with anything less ;)
[21:26] <XartaoX> Intuos, even smaller ones, are $$$$$!!!!!
[21:27] <holstein> i dont like tablets
[21:28] <XartaoX> ?!?!? you must not do any digital painting or photo-manipulation!! :P
[21:28] <holstein> i do what i need to do
[21:28] <holstein> just not on toys ;)
[21:28] <XartaoX> heh . . fair nuf
[21:29] <XartaoX> bamboo is a toy. Intuos is not.
[21:29] <XartaoX> i WISH i could afford one of those video-display tablets .. <drool>
[21:29]  * XartaoX makes a drooly mess all over the place
[21:30] <holstein> XartaoX: OH.. yeah those tablets
[21:30] <holstein> i have one of those
[21:30] <holstein> i was thinking like an ipad
[21:31] <XartaoX> oh. no. not an ipad
[21:31] <XartaoX> blah
[21:31] <holstein> i have an early wacom that i barely konw how to use
[21:31] <holstein> but i get the idea
[21:31] <holstein> i bet its handy
[21:31] <holstein> i dont do anything to warrant that
[21:31] <XartaoX> ja. intuos support rotation and angle as well as pressure
[21:31] <XartaoX> if you get the airbrush pen ... wow
[21:31] <holstein> but, im not a fan of the actually tiny toy talble thingies
[21:32] <XartaoX> me either. they're neeto, but that's about it
[21:32] <XartaoX> meh
[21:32] <XartaoX> i feel the same way about smartphones
[21:32] <holstein> yup
[21:32] <holstein> i ue my driod a lot
[21:32] <XartaoX> i just want my phone to be a phone, my mp3 player to be an mp3 player, and my camera to be a camera
[21:32] <holstein> but i always hate the web on it
[21:33] <XartaoX> with a 'smart-device', if it breaks, you lose all three at once
[21:33] <XartaoX> boooooo
[21:33] <holstein> XartaoX: i dont mind an all in one
[21:33] <holstein> i just hate having shite versions all stuck together
[21:33] <XartaoX> fair nuf
[21:33] <holstein> its like, a subpar experience on all the different parts :/
[21:33] <holstein> i like the idea though
 crushed seeds ain't doin it for me ... hope 'my guy' gets home ;)
[21:33] <holstein> maybe some day :)
[21:33] <holstein> XartaoX: lol
[21:52] <XartaoX> hmmm
[21:52] <XartaoX> why would Hydrogen have no MIDI input in LADI??
[21:59] <XartaoX> WOW!! the latency is BEAUTIFUL!! perfect! control!! :D :D
[22:07] <holstein> XartaoX: maybe JACK midi to alsa-midi
[22:07] <holstein> i usually fire up a2jmidid
[22:11] <XartaoX> eh?
[22:11] <XartaoX> XD yer confusing me
[22:23] <XartaoX> OH! yer addressing why hydrogen has no midi input in ladi
[23:12] <XartaoX> .. i just discovered the whole 'editing the synth' portion of Yoshimi
[23:12] <XartaoX> HOLY CRAP!!
[23:21] <XartaoX> it's seriously gonna take some time to learn to use all these audio apps together properly
[23:22] <XartaoX> i STILL haven't figuresd out how to record what I'm doing with the synths
[23:22] <XartaoX> or at leasat not my actual MIDI inputs, so I can quantize them or otherwise adjust them .. say velocity or mod or bend
[23:23] <XartaoX> seeing as i don't actually HAVE a proper MIDI controller .. just the computer keyboard and my mouse