[00:19] <apachelogger> afiestas: do you happen to know what the progress on oxygen font is?
[00:19] <afiestas> apachelogger: I have been using it for a while, so it is usable and beatiful for being an alpha
[00:19] <afiestas> though right now I'm using ubuntu's
[00:19] <micahg> any objections to keeping mimelib1 which is a fork from kdepim3 in the archive so that we can have lurker again?  see Bug 926425
[00:20]  * micahg is mainly concerned about bitrotted code that might be exploited
[00:21] <apachelogger> afiestas: yeah, I am using it too, was just wondering if you know anything more
[00:21] <apachelogger> obviously switching to oxygen font would be my target here ^^
[00:21] <apachelogger> omnomnom oxygen
[00:21] <apachelogger> micahg: as long as we do not have to maintain it :P
[00:22] <micahg> nope, but is it something I should worry about?
[00:22] <micahg> I know KDE is moving away from mimelib
[00:25] <apachelogger> we only support KDE 4's mimelib stuff, as upstream only supports that
[00:25] <micahg> right, but is that code prone to security issues?
[00:26] <apachelogger> no, well, not any more than other unmaintained software :P
[00:28] <apachelogger> micahg: the bug report suggests that is a fork, so I guess it has little to do with KDE/Kubuntu
[00:29] <micahg> indeed, but I wanted the Kubuntu folk opinion since it's based on KDE software :)
[00:32] <micahg> ok, kdepim had 3 CVEs 5-7 years ago, I'm going to approve the sync and blacklist removal, thanks for the input
[00:32] <apachelogger> micahg: those CVEs were not in mimlib from what I can tell
[00:32] <apachelogger> so it should be fine
[00:32] <micahg> right, that too :)
[01:09] <apachelogger> !find com.canonical.AppMenu.Registrar.xml precise
[01:09] <apachelogger> ubottu: you silly robot!
[01:25] <micahg> apachelogger: that's not in any package on amd64 at least
[01:25] <micahg> err, not a file in
[01:27] <apachelogger> yeah, agateau doesn't like installing xmls it seems ^^
[01:28] <apachelogger> anyone knows our current policy on git versions?
[01:31] <Daskreech> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005782.html isn't in the topic ?
[01:34] <apachelogger> not important
[01:35] <Daskreech> :-) but of concern
[01:38] <micahg> kubuntu has a lot more devs and testers than any other flavor, I don't see anything happening
[01:38] <Daskreech> Yeah  It's actually surprising that it is not being supported anymore
[01:39] <Daskreech> And I just told someone yesterday to continue with their support contract with Canonical because they support Kubuntu too
[01:41] <Daskreech> So Kubuntu won't be available on releases.ubuntu.com any more?
[01:41] <apachelogger> real companies employe their own kubuntu developer to do support for them :P
[01:41] <apachelogger> Daskreech: xubuntu is there, no?
[01:42] <apachelogger> the only thing that is changing is that Riddell won't be working on kubuntu during work hours and no commercial support from the canonical helpline
[01:43] <Daskreech> apachelogger:No xubuntu isn't there
[01:43] <Daskreech> Only Ubuntu and Kubuntu so I suppose Kubuntu will be removed
[01:43] <apachelogger> perhaps moving to cdimage, I dunno
[01:44] <apachelogger> hardly a notable change :P
[01:44] <apachelogger> well, actually edubuntu doesn't get commercial support either? so I guess that will simply stay the same
[01:45] <apachelogger> would be a hassle to have all the world change their scripts anyway ^^
[01:46] <Daskreech> Right essentially if you aren't Unity then you don't get support right now
[01:48] <micahg> Daskreech: yeah, you'll just get a link, but it doesn't deter people, so you shouldn't be worried
[01:48] <Daskreech> I'm not really. I was actually surprised that Canonical still did support for Kubuntu when I asked
[01:48] <Daskreech> I thought they they threw out everyone a long time ago
[01:50] <Daskreech> Though I guess I shuld have realised when Riddell started working on non Kubuntu stuff that would be the next step
[01:50] <apachelogger> when did jr start working on non-Kubuntu stuff?
[01:51] <Daskreech> Sabbatical ?
[01:53] <apachelogger> Daskreech: that was entirely personal motivated
[01:55] <Daskreech> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html
[01:55] <Daskreech> Yeah which is why I paid it no attention :)
[01:55] <Daskreech> What's with the iBus?
[01:58] <apachelogger> I have no idea
[01:59] <apachelogger> apparently there are multiple solutions and no one knows how either works or something :P
[01:59] <Daskreech> ah :)
[02:09] <apachelogger> afiestas, Quintasan, yofel: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/plasma-runner-appmenu please be reviewing or something or nothing
[02:09]  * apachelogger will be on train most of tomorrow
[02:10] <Daskreech> afiestas: Ah ha! This is what you were talking about :)
[02:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm in an airplane right now.
[02:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: you have intartubes in an airplane? :O
[02:11] <ScottK> (airborne wifi is still a novelty worth commenting on for me)
[02:11] <ScottK> YES.
[02:11] <ScottK> Yes even.
[02:11] <apachelogger> good lawd
[02:11] <ScottK> Sorry for shouting.
[02:11] <apachelogger> round here you can't even get intartubes on train
[02:11] <apachelogger> well, unless one can do the tethering, for which I am too stupid
[02:12] <ScottK> Only about 1/8 second latency too.
[02:12] <apachelogger> that's not half bad
[02:12] <Daskreech> ScottK: are there snaKes?
[02:12] <ScottK> Daskreech: Not that I'm aware of.
[02:12] <ScottK> I'll let you know if any turn up.
[02:12] <Daskreech> We will allow you to shout again then
[02:12] <apachelogger> ...maybe...
[02:13] <Daskreech> apachelogger: how do they get the dumptrucks (which obviously contain snaKes) up the intartubes to fit on the plane?
[02:13] <ScottK> It's a little bumpy and I accidentally hit caps lock.
[02:14] <apachelogger> Daskreech: timelord technology
[02:14] <apachelogger> it's bigger on the inside
[02:15] <nigelb> morning
[02:16] <ScottK> night
[02:28] <Daskreech> ScottK: So a drop in your connection is a double entendre then? 
[03:17]  * Daskreech hugs valorie
[03:45] <nixternal> burp
[03:45] <claydoh> hi nixternal
[03:45] <Darkwing> hey nixternal
[03:45] <nixternal> hola
[03:45]  * Daskreech jumps on nixternal and is blown off by the force of expelled air
[03:45] <Darkwing> has anyone used OBS before?
[03:46] <nixternal> ano expelling of air here
[03:46] <nixternal> so, how are the blue headed step-child muppets doing?
[03:47] <claydoh> esp if you ate onins and garlic and drank beer
[03:47] <nixternal> muhahahaha, canonical finally proved me right. though it took them 7 years :D
[03:47] <Daskreech> nixternal: ask for a letter of sobology!
[03:47] <nixternal> hehe
[03:48] <nixternal> stutterfart can suck it
[03:49] <Daskreech> :-)
[04:06] <Daskreech> nixternal: How would you gauge the health of a package?
[04:06] <nixternal> shove a thermometer up its butt
[04:07] <Daskreech> nixternal: and if it drops it then like ... it's hot?
[04:08] <nixternal> shoot it between the eyes
[04:08] <Daskreech> nixternal: was just thinking what if there was a system kinda like bugzilla's most hated bugs
[04:08] <nixternal> people still use bugzilla?
[04:08] <Daskreech>  where you could gauge the health of a package. When was it last updated? how many LP bugs are filed against it
[04:08] <nixternal> besides mozilla & the other old timers who are afraid of change
[04:08] <Darkwing> kde i think does
[04:09] <nixternal> unfortunately so
[04:09] <nixternal> though, i guess you are limited when it comes to open source bug tracking solutions
[04:10] <Daskreech> LP does it with Heat I think?
[04:10] <nixternal> i can't even remember the last time i looked at a bug in lp
[04:10] <micahg> Daskreech: well, in Debian, it's done with RC bugs, popcon, and open CVEs
[04:11] <Daskreech> micahg: Right :) but my point is to track sore points
[04:11] <micahg> Daskreech: high/critical bugs, out of date package
[04:11] <micahg> build failures
[04:11] <micahg> Debian RC bugs
[04:11] <Daskreech> packaging is a good itch for people and Kubuntu might gain from having a site or resource that can highlight the health of packages
[04:15] <Daskreech> That both gets the kind of overall how well are we doing with packages as well as we can do shout outs to ask "Hey Kremotecontrol could use some love! Anyone loves that package and would like to help?"
[04:18] <Daskreech> Wow Kpresenter is Kubuntu's most hated bug?
[04:19] <Daskreech> and for some reason brasero >_>
[04:19] <Daskreech> nixternal: how's your riding?
[04:21] <nixternal> painful
[04:22] <Daskreech> tennis elbow?
[04:25] <nixternal> fat assedness
[04:25] <Daskreech> :-)
[04:26] <Daskreech> The bike bent?
[04:27] <nixternal> you can't bend carbon fiber thankfully
[04:28] <Daskreech> you can snap it though
[04:35]  * Daskreech wants to start a local KDE group
[04:35] <nixternal> all local groups other than python & ruby have died in chicago
[04:38] <Daskreech> OS doesn't matter 
[04:39] <Daskreech> (aside:) General feedback from the dropping of support mail is that  Kubuntu won't be offered at all after then next release so time to jump ship
[04:40] <Daskreech> Might be able to have a pug here but would just like to organize a sub LUG group for KDE :)
[04:41] <Tm_T> huh?
[05:12] <Daskreech> hmm?
[05:15] <Daskreech> what didn't you grok?
[05:20]  * Tm_T huggles Riddell 
[05:20] <Tm_T> Daskreech: didn't knew the context
[05:20] <Daskreech> Tm_T: for nixternal's fat assedness ?
[05:21] <Tm_T> Daskreech: red 3
[05:22] <Daskreech> ok now idon't get the context >_>
[05:37]  * micahg only knows Red 40
[05:42] <Daskreech> micahg: what's that?
[05:42] <micahg> food dye
[05:49] <Daskreech> yellow #4?
[05:50] <Daskreech> there is a 4 chan?
[05:50] <micahg> hehe
[05:59] <Tm_T> bingo!
[05:59]  * Tm_T hides
[05:59] <Daskreech> Tm_T: What's red 3?
[06:00] <Tm_T> a random something
[06:00] <Daskreech> Aah
[06:00] <Tm_T> hence my bingo
[06:00] <Daskreech> ^_-
[06:03] <Daskreech> No idea what Riddell's job will be now?
[06:03] <Tm_T> Daskreech: per his email, other stuff in desktop team
[06:03] <Daskreech> So basically make stuff Qt?
[06:09] <Daskreech> Would be nice to see if Canonical would support a third party company doing support for Kubuntu
[06:20] <yofel> Darkwing: $me has an OBS account
[06:22] <josh_wines> Daskreech: Will be interesting to see.  Is Canonical allowing the use of the name Kubuntu going forward once they drop support for it?
[06:22] <Daskreech> josh_wines: Of course
[06:22] <Tm_T> josh_wines: only what changes is Riddell isn't working on his workhours
[06:23] <Tm_T> ...and canonical support
[06:23] <Tm_T> other than that, Kubuntu community stays
[06:23] <josh_wines> good stuff
[06:23] <Tm_T> and I do hope we do stay
[06:23] <yofel> first we already experienced for halff a year, second we'll see what it causes
[06:24] <Daskreech> yofel: well inital knee jerk is going to be whining and complaining 
[06:25] <yofel> sure, just trying to sound reasonably positive ^^
[06:26] <Daskreech> Well it's more a clarity than anything else
[06:26] <Tm_T> Daskreech: indeed, I think this was expected
[06:26] <Daskreech> Kubuntu was more or less only given infrastructure support anyway
[06:26] <yofel> agreed
[06:26] <Tm_T> and we still get that
[06:27] <Daskreech> To be honest I don't see how this move would help canonical other than getting one more experienced Qt person on Unity
[06:27] <Daskreech> At least when they had support they were getting an income stream
[06:27] <Tm_T> Daskreech: I suspect that and only that
[06:27] <Tm_T> Daskreech: ...income stream?
[06:28] <Daskreech> The largest rollout they have is on Kubuntu AFAIK 
[06:28] <Tm_T> but does it still bring money in?
[06:28] <Daskreech> Tm_T: my point is that the current stance makes it so that It cannot bring in income
[06:28] <Daskreech> where as they are still spending the money on near everything that they were before
[06:29] <Tm_T> Daskreech: if it was causing losses more than its worth, economywise this makes sense
[06:29] <Tm_T> they can now try focus on something else with that "saved" energy
[06:29] <Tm_T> not saying I support this, just my observation
[06:30] <Daskreech> Unless of course they have so many contracts coming in now that they can't bother to spend time with Kubuntu calls
[06:30] <Daskreech>  the same reason why Apple won't make Desktops anymore
[06:30] <yofel> bbl
[06:30] <Daskreech> ok
[06:31] <Tm_T> I also see this an opportunity to some other company come and begin sponsoring Kubuntu development more freely
[06:31] <Daskreech> Yes that's what I was musing on before
[06:32] <Tm_T> no, I do not expect that to happen, but I do still hope (:
[06:33] <Daskreech> Well honestly KDE has never really been adept at building up Corporate support around it
[06:38] <Daskreech> This does seem like an opportunity to grab though
[06:38] <Daskreech> I would suspect there are a number of companies who are looking at KDE as a transition at this point
[06:39] <Daskreech> It's more GNOME2 like than anything else outside of Xfce4
[06:39] <Daskreech> It's Mobile friendly for anyone advanced enough to care
[06:39] <Daskreech> it's More Windows like than .. well even Windows by the end of the year
[06:44] <Daskreech> If they could build a reputation over the course of a year of being either good middlemen between KDE and Business clients
[06:45] <Daskreech> or just being easy to work with from a organization's point of view of needs and from KDE's development side it could be a fantastic place to be in
[08:15] <Tm_T> Daskreech: I think most of the non-support discussion should be kept in #kubuntu-offtopic instead of #kubuntu (:
[08:16] <Daskreech> Yeah I'm keeping it there for now since a) no one is asking for support and b) this is going to come up a lot over then next two weeks so the clearer the people in #kubuntu have it the better
[08:17] <Daskreech> until Riddell or so puts up a blog post on Kubuntu.org that we can keep in the topic this helps seep in the current state in the channel most likely to get hit with questions
[08:18] <Tm_T> indeed
[08:36] <Riddell> morning
[08:38] <Tm_T> good morning
[08:42] <Riddell> well, morning :)
[09:19] <Tm_T> Riddell: interesting mails in the list, have you had much time yet to plan the future?
[09:21] <Riddell> Tm_T: for Kubuntu?  that'll be up to others
[09:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: in general (:
[09:24] <tseliot> Riddell: if there's anything I can do to help you keep Kubuntu alive, just let me know
[09:25] <Riddell> tseliot: I'll be posting a list of jobs that someone will need to do at some point
[09:25] <Tm_T> tseliot: I think as long as we keep doing these, we're ok http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html 
[09:25] <Tm_T> + that, indeed
[09:26] <Riddell> but it's the management of pointing people to gaps and filling in gaps where nobody else does that I don't know how to solve
[09:26] <Riddell> Tm_T: work items are not the most important thing in the first instance, keep it going rather than add new features
[09:26] <Tm_T> Riddell: ah, true
[09:26] <tseliot> ok
[09:27] <Tm_T> management, I wonder if the k-council would be able to decide how that would be handled
[09:28] <Riddell> Tm_T: it needs more active leadership than the council can provide
[09:28] <Riddell> e.g. "oh a new kde sc release we haven't packaged, how to sort that out?"
[09:29] <Tm_T> Riddell: I wasn't suggesting council would be in the action leading unit (:
[09:29] <Tm_T> more of them being part of the attempt on finding who and how
[09:30] <Riddell> yeah it needs a meeting, Darkwing was talking about one next week
[09:32] <Tm_T> Riddell: would the workload that was on you before be sensibly split to several focus areas, thus sharing to multiple persons?
[09:33] <Riddell> Tm_T: yes it could but it's a case of making sure areas don't get dropped
[09:34] <Tm_T> yup
[09:34] <Tm_T> sounds like we have a (possible) plan (:
[09:34]  * Tm_T huggles Riddell and rest of our team
[09:50] <peace> -.- Riddell wtf canonical
[09:50] <Tm_T> peace: tssssk
[09:50] <peace> Tm_T: ?
[09:51] <Tm_T> language (;
[09:51] <peace> ah 
[10:56] <Riddell> would be good if someone started a new kubuntu group on facebook, the current one is about to die http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28336554660&ref=ts
[10:56] <Riddell> "Facebook will be archiving all groups created using the old .."
[10:56] <felimwhiteley> it would be better facebook died ;)
[10:57] <felimwhiteley> Riddell: bad news about canonical... are you still going to work for them on different stuff?
[10:57]  * felimwhiteley needs to get th efinger out
[10:57] <felimwhiteley> perhaps this is the kcik I need to get involved... :s
[10:57] <Riddell> felimwhiteley: yes, where different stuff might well mean qt
[10:57] <felimwhiteley> that's something at least
[13:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: What did you ping me for?
[13:06] <Quintasan> Quassel fails on highlighting
[13:08] <Quintasan> Ah, review
[13:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Packaging is good but I can't say the app works :P
[14:48] <kalib> Hi people, is there any brazilian guy in here?
[14:50] <Kottizen> Hi, what does Kubuntu need to survive?
[14:50] <Riddell> kalib: why?
[14:51] <Riddell> Kottizen: community leadership to allocate the jobs needing done to people and fill in the task gaps when nobody else does them
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:54] <peace> BluesKaj: hey
[14:54] <Riddell> hi BluesKaj, disappointing news day today I'm afraid
[14:55] <BluesKaj> hey Riddell, peace ..oh ? what's the problem ?
[14:56] <peace> canonical is the problem
[14:56] <peace> xD
[14:56] <Riddell> see LWN, slashdot, planet kde/ubuntu
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  bummer , so some ppl are out of a "paying jobs" at kubuntu-development ... guess all the unity probs resulting in a raid on kde devs perhaps or ...?
[15:03] <peace> BluesKaj: i guess Riddell was the only dev paid
[15:05] <BluesKaj> this is terrible ..well, I'm not switching to unity or gnome , I'll go back to debian-kde  first if kubuntu is no longer doing to be actively developed
[15:06] <Riddell> it'll be actively developed, we're yet to find out how much
[15:06] <yofel> actually, I belive we were more in panic when Riddell told us he would leave for a cycle than we are now. 
[15:06] <yofel> that's at least how I feel
[15:07] <Peace-> i am considering to switch to suse
[15:07] <Peace-> but... i am lazy
[15:08] <yofel> ^^
[15:08] <yofel> bbiab
[15:10] <BluesKaj> is this some kind of scrooge philisophy at canonical , letting one guy go just to save a few bucks ?
[15:11] <Peace-> i guess they want only one destkop well supported
[15:12] <BluesKaj> heh, well from what I've seen so far they're backing the wrong horse , err desktop 
[15:12] <Peace-> +1000 0000
[15:14] <Riddell> BluesKaj: not scrooge, just normal business necessity
[15:15] <Riddell> BluesKaj: they're backing an in house designed desktop, that's a new thing to do in free software
[15:16] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  so are you going over to the unity/gnome dev team , then ?
[15:17] <Peace-> fired ? xD
[15:18] <BluesKaj> or exploring other alternatives /options as the saying goes
[15:20] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: Peace- I think he mentioned that he will be reassinged to the Desktop Experience team
[15:21] <BluesKaj> ok shadeslayer , I wasn't here for that
[15:21] <shadeslayer> hmm?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> so , i guess it's up to volunteeers to "carry the torch" ... best i can contribute is "testing"
[15:25] <Peace-> i am always in testing
[15:25] <Peace-> 12.04 right now
[15:26] <shadeslayer> Peace-: BluesKaj: testers are always welcome :D
[15:27] <BluesKaj> yeah , testing keeps my linux life interesting 
[15:27] <Peace-> shadeslayer: well actually i did my own little software aptk
[15:27] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:27] <Peace-> and other stuff
[15:27] <Peace-> i hate muon :D
[15:27] <BluesKaj> muon is afull
[15:27] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i did the alias too :D
[15:27] <BluesKaj> err awful
[15:28] <Peace-> i to install 
[15:28] <Peace-> :D
[15:28] <Peace-> i mean for apt
[15:28] <Riddell> BluesKaj: staying on the canonical desktop team doing whatever they need me to do, probably qt things will feature
[15:28] <BluesKaj> I run about 12 alais commands  in combo with the sudoer no pwd entry ...shows I'm a shortcut lazy type :)
[15:29] <BluesKaj> alias
[15:30] <Peace-> BluesKaj: lazy!
[15:33] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  good , glad to hear it ... my former employer (I'm now retired) downsized from 18 emplyees at one point , in our labs , to 22 atm , retaining the same workload . well it was an incentive to rid of us old guys but it scared the hell out of young emplyees too ... being "reassigned" is a traumatic experience in some companies 
[15:33] <BluesKaj> 18=48
[15:34] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[15:34] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: how old are you? :D
[15:34] <BluesKaj> all the research ppl and assignments went out the window 
[15:34] <Peace-> :S
[15:34] <BluesKaj> I'm now 68 , shadeslayer 
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Whoa
[15:37] <BluesKaj> my introduction to computers came with a spectra-physics integrator in 1983 . it was part of the calculation for dawing areas under curve used in gas chromatography  ...a system for measuring gases in air quality testing
[15:37] <shadeslayer> O_O
[15:38] <shadeslayer> I love it when people talk about old computers and the bygone era
[15:38]  * shadeslayer has yet to touch a vaccum tube 
[15:38]  * yofel touched one in his university museum
[15:38] <BluesKaj> I havent retired from playing music tho :) ...kubuntu has become my hobby and I'm sad to see this change in attitude by canonical
[15:38] <yofel> they had diode plates too
[15:39] <shadeslayer> I've heard stories where transistors were like 10 USD a piece
[15:39] <BluesKaj> my bandmates still have some Marshall heads
[15:39] <shadeslayer> more at times
[15:39] <BluesKaj> tubed
[16:19]  * yofel goes rewriting GettingInvoled/Testing
[16:20] <yofel> that page's useless right now
[16:25] <yofel> more like... that points to the wrong page. We already have a wiki page for the testing team
[16:26] <yofel> which needs an update, but is usable
[16:29] <BluesKaj> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/content.php?116-Kubuntu-s-New-Future
[16:30]  * shadeslayer grumbles about /.
[16:31] <shadeslayer> "You must wait a little bit before using this resource; please try again later."
[16:50] <yofel> Darkwing: do you know if there's a better docs introduction page than https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Documentation?
[16:50] <yofel> or could you maybe put something more there?
[16:53] <yofel> shadeslayer: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/KubuntuDevelopers (there's a template linked), and here's mine: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PhilipMuskovac/KubuntuDevApplication
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ah 
[16:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: I kept doing  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PhilipMuskovac/DevApplication
[16:53] <Peace-> i was wondering if anyone has tried my panels here
[16:53] <yofel> heh
[16:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: Link it  to your wiki page so that in the future someone can look at it :P
[16:54] <yofel> ah, right, moinmoin handles that horribly
[16:56] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[16:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: byobu shows you uploading at a rate of 3 Mbps
[16:56] <shadeslayer> wth? :D
[16:57] <shadeslayer> s/you/the\ thinkpad/
[16:57] <kubotu> shadeslayer: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[16:57] <yofel> rtorrent
[16:57] <yofel> (isos)
[16:57] <shadeslayer> kubotu: *hugs*
[16:57] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[17:09] <bambee_> http://paste.kde.org/201488/ <-- who does better ? :D
[17:22] <shadeslayer> bambee_: libnice|dribbleMode⚡ ⇒ du -h ~/.xsession-errors
[17:22] <shadeslayer> 82M     /home/shadeslayer/.xsession-errors
[17:22] <shadeslayer> libnice|dribbleMode⚡ ⇒ wc -l ~/.xsession-errors
[17:22] <shadeslayer> 699375 /home/shadeslayer/.xsession-errors
[17:22] <shadeslayer> argh
[17:22] <shadeslayer> I thought it would be the paste url @_@
[17:23] <bambee_> o.O
[17:23] <bambee_> wow..
[17:23] <shadeslayer> bambee_: that's after removing the file 3 days ago
[17:24] <shadeslayer> mostly filed with nepomuk
[17:24] <shadeslayer> maybe I should stop nepomuk
[17:25] <bambee_> for me it's "/usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd(2168)" Soprano: "Unsupported operation (2)": "Invalid model"
[17:25] <bambee_> all the time... 
[17:26] <yofel> 161M    /home/yofel/.xsession-errors, and that's 3 days (but full debug output)
[17:27] <shadeslayer> fun : http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/07/plasma-desktopb18760.png
[17:27] <bambee_> ah thanks yofel! I totally forgot that I activated debugging throught kdebugdialog two days ago... I am an idiot o.O
[17:27] <bambee_> it's explains a lot of things... :D
[17:28] <shadeslayer> well, I have that enabled as well
[17:28] <shadeslayer> don't have as much as yofel though
[17:29] <bambee_> however... some messages from kactivitymanagerd look warnings and not debug outputs...
[17:54] <shadeslayer> need advice : http://paste.ubuntu.com/832899/
[17:54]  * shadeslayer is bad with i18n stuff
[17:56] <shadeslayer> " CMake 2.6 introduces policy CMP0002 which requires all logical target names to be globally unique"
[18:00] <shadeslayer> everything looks like it should ///
[18:00]  * shadeslayer pokes apachelogger
[18:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what now?
[18:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan, yofel: did someone get the kde-hud somewhere?
[18:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: trying to figure out why I hit https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=293030 only on a specific source
[18:24] <shadeslayer> while others work just fine
[18:24]  * yofel didn't touch the HUD at all
[18:25] <shadeslayer> we have a HUD?
[18:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: specific source?
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, the build fails only on a specific tarball, but not on the others I'm packaging
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kde-telepathy/0.3.0/src/
[18:27] <shadeslayer> fails on tp-contact-applet-0.3.0 but not anything else
[18:27] <shadeslayer> see https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+packages
[18:29] <apachelogger> I'd argue the error message is pretty clear? :P
[18:31] <Kurdistan> hi guys.
[18:31] <Kurdistan> and girls. sorry. :)
[18:31] <Kurdistan> yofel, how many developer do we have?
[18:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so... where is that error log then?
[18:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/832899/
[18:33] <yofel> Kurdistan: more than a dozen if you take all - varying in activity, plus some doc writers and other folks
[18:33] <Kurdistan> yofel, happy to hear.
[18:33] <yofel> hang out here if you're curious about what we usually do
[18:33] <Kurdistan> read
[18:33] <Kurdistan> yofel, there is one bug that I have seen in kde 4.8.0
[18:33] <Kurdistan> I am running 11.10 but with backports activated.
[18:34] <Kurdistan> some time when I close a application the icon is still in activate-manager
[18:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.8)
[18:35] <Kurdistan> application is closed, only icon that shows.
[18:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that looks utterly pointless and could very well be the cause
[18:36] <yofel> Kurdistan: that sounds very much like everyone's hated kde bug 275469
[18:37]  * shadeslayer tries
[18:37] <Kurdistan> yofel, exactly :). that bug.
[18:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: patching and compiling
[18:37] <Kurdistan> yofel, do you know if it will be fixed mainstream?
[18:37] <Kurdistan> I am starting learning compiling and making package
[18:37] <shadeslayer> I've never seen that bug in Neon
[18:38] <Kurdistan> soon I hope I can help out here. now I only compile package to myself.
[18:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: although, how does removing that line help
[18:38] <shadeslayer> wth
[18:38] <Kurdistan> yofel, not mainstream, I mean upstream.
[18:38] <shadeslayer> it works
[18:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger++
[18:39] <yofel> Kurdistan: it' a Qt bug, and should be fixed there. There's another bug on the qt bugtracker about that
[18:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: explain this magic to me
[18:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: scope difference
[18:39] <apachelogger> in 2.6 a subdir had a different scope
[18:39] <apachelogger> apparently that is not the case with 2.8
[18:40] <Kurdistan> yofel, do you think it will be landed in 4.8.* serie?
[18:40] <shadeslayer> do not understand
[18:40] <apachelogger> and since the gettext macro uses the same target name you get a clash
[18:40] <apachelogger> go comment that on the bug report
[18:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I can, but I don't really understand the fix
[18:40] <apachelogger> read my description again then :P
[18:40] <apachelogger> and remember what a makefile looks like
[18:41] <apachelogger> then deduct how you can get a target clash error :P
[18:41] <shadeslayer> I understand the target clash error
[18:41] <yofel> Kurdistan: depends on whether the patches get reviewed. The kde folks already said they won't work around it so we'll have to wait on the Qt devs. Maybe we can import the patches, but I haven't looked at this too much
[18:41] <yofel> busy with other things
[18:41] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:41] <shadeslayer> ohhhhhhhhhh
[18:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got it
[18:41] <Kurdistan> yofel, thx for the info.
[18:42] <Kurdistan> when I feel my own compiling is that good that I can share with other I will help
[18:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: cmake 2.8 sets the pofile target as the global scope I guess? ( Don't know the exact word, substituing C++ semantics here )
[18:42] <yofel> Kurdistan: feel free to stay here, sometimes there are small jobs that newcomers can take
[18:43] <shadeslayer> which causes the pofile target to clash
[18:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, I do not know the details but IIRC add_subdir is supposed to create a new sub-project (cmakewise)
[18:43] <apachelogger> which in turn leads to different subdirs in the buildfolder and different makefiles
[18:43] <apachelogger> so I must assume in 2.8 something is off WRT scope there
[18:43] <Kurdistan> yofel, I will stay here. I am student, so I do not have all that help. And I am helping in swedish loco.
[18:44] <yofel> duh, rekonq crashed while idling in the background with only the kubuntu page open... wtf
[18:44] <Kurdistan> but maybe i will take break from loco and help kubuntu instead.
[18:44] <Kurdistan> I really feel kubuntu have potenail become nr 1 KDE distro
[18:45] <Kurdistan> did not like muon that comes with 11.10 and with recent rc of muon it works great.
[18:45] <Kurdistan> if muon becomes this good like in rc, the final muon release for 12.04 will be great.
[18:45] <Peace-> yofel: :D rekonq... 
[18:46] <yofel> Peace-: with a crash that makes me wonder if that wasn't Qt 4.8 that crashed....
[18:47] <Kurdistan> guys/girls have you tried to contact blue system: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Blue-Systems-becomes-Linux-Mint-partner-and-sponsor-1405936.html
[18:47] <Kurdistan> maybe they can help out?
[18:48] <Riddell> Kurdistan: yes they have contacted me
[18:49] <Riddell> they don't seen interested in working with kubuntu directly for some reason
[18:49] <Kurdistan> Riddell, thats sadly.
[18:49] <Kurdistan> Riddell, nice to find you here.
[18:49] <Kurdistan> I read about canonical decision. 
[18:49] <Kurdistan> not so glad to be honest.
[18:49] <Riddell> I'm always here, it's my favourite channel :)
[18:51] <Kurdistan> Riddell, I have forgotten is kde-config-grub2 preinstalled in kubuntu? I tweak so much I have forgotten how it was stock.
[18:53] <yofel> Kurdistan: I don't think so (no space on CD)
[18:54] <Kurdistan> yofel, I think it would be great if it was preinstalled.
[18:54] <Riddell> it didn't get MIR approval either I think
[18:54] <yofel> true, it's in universe
[18:54] <Kurdistan> it is like startupmanager for ubuntu/gnome people but perfectly integreated with kde.
[18:55] <Kurdistan> less command line, happy newbie. :)
[19:03] <yofel> hey sheytan
[19:16] <Kurdistan> when i open kmix and wanted it to show all and change that. if I close kmix it does not list all, I need to make the kmix-windows bigger.
[19:16] <Kurdistan> is that a well known bug or a bug?
[19:17] <Kurdistan> it looks like this: http://imgur.com/LhDwM
[19:18] <Kurdistan> and i wanted it to look like this always, when I open kmix: http://imgur.com/SL3KG
[19:24] <yofel> Kurdistan: looks like that for me too, no idea if that's intentional or a bug
[19:25] <Kurdistan> yofel, okey, do not know if it is supposed to be like that.
[19:25] <Kurdistan> because I do not think it looked like that in 4.6.5
[19:27] <Kurdistan> http://ubuntu-se.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=206&p=450292#p450292  yofel a swedish user in our loco (sweden) when i changed to kubuntu (by installing kubuntu metapackages) he wanted to install kdm.
[19:27] <Kurdistan> then this bugg accured
[19:27] <Kurdistan> look at the image
[19:27] <Kurdistan> is that driver related or lightdm that not have been removed propably?
[19:28] <yofel> @_@
[19:28] <yofel> I'm clueless. I feel like I've seen something like that already. But I have no idea what to do here
[19:30] <yofel> also, support is really in #kubuntu. Maybe someone there has an idea
[19:31] <Kurdistan> yofel, I will asked there.
[19:46] <jussi>  I still dont understand why kmix doesnt use the plasma theme, not the normal window theme...
[20:01] <Kurdistan> how does the fonts look in kubuntu 12.04 compare to 11.10?
[20:01] <Peace-> Kurdistan: the same?
[20:02] <Kurdistan> Peace-, I am using 11.10, thats why I ask.
[20:02] <Tm_T> jussi: it's kmix, it doesn't evolve (;
[20:02] <Kurdistan> will oxygen fonts be avaible in 12.04?
[20:02] <Peace-> Tm_T: i have seen the post on kmix blog it seems it is evolving
[20:03] <Tm_T> Peace-: I was joking, as it hasn't changed much over the years
[20:03] <Peace-> Tm_T: ;)
[20:03] <Kurdistan> I like freesans, but oxygen fonts seems intresting. 
[20:03] <Peace-> i am using cantarel right now 
[20:03] <Peace-> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/07/plasma-desktopkC1753.png
[20:04] <Kurdistan> Peace-, will test.
[20:04] <Kurdistan> Peace-, were did you find the font?
[20:05] <Kurdistan> Peace-, sorry it was in the repo. my bad.
[20:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: optind
[20:11] <shadeslayer> erm
[20:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+files/ktp-contact-applet_0.3.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc
[20:12]  * Tm_T huggles shadeslayer
[20:12]  * shadeslayer hugges Tm_T back
[20:12] <Tm_T> (:)
[20:12]  * Tm_T is happy now
[20:12] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: have a virtual cookie :D
[20:13] <Tm_T> ...uh, well, I'm not sure what kind of cookie you happen to mean
[20:14] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[20:15] <Tm_T> but thanks anyway (:)
[20:18] <shadeslayer> okay, I'm off to work on libnice now
[20:18] <shadeslayer> cya
[20:19] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: play nice with libnice
[20:19] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[20:22] <Darkwing> yofel: I have to change a few things in the internal workings but, this is better... https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Documentation
[20:28] <yofel> Darkwing: thanks, I'll make the website point to that
[20:31] <maco> this thing where kdm refuses keyboard input if you get your password wrong on the first try, so then you have to restart kdm, is realy annoying
[20:32] <maco> i hope it was fixed since 11.04
[20:33]  * yofel blames X
[20:33] <yofel> I know what you mean though
[20:34] <yofel> Darkwing: anything that you feel might need changing on http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute (including link targets)? That page will probably be looked at quite a bit
[20:40] <Darkwing> yofel: do we have a Kubuntu centric Bug procedures page?
[20:41] <Darkwing> yofel: loco team pages should point to loco.ubuntu.com
[20:41] <yofel> we have various scattered kubuntu bug pages, but I couldn't find one for that, so I left it pointing to the ubuntu bugsquad
[20:42] <Darkwing> Okay, maybe we 'should' have a Kubuntu centric one built. That talks about what gets reported in LP and what gets reported upstream
[20:42] <yofel> we should, esp. since our bug guidelines don't exactly match with ubuntu's
[20:43] <yofel> someone just needs to find the time to do that
[20:43] <yofel> I'll try to get the testing teams pages into shape first
[20:43] <yofel> haven't been updated since karmic
[20:43] <Darkwing> Okay, I'll fix the Documentation pages fixed
[20:43] <Darkwing> waka
[20:43] <Darkwing> That was redunant... 
[20:43] <yofel> ^^
[20:43] <Darkwing> I'll get the Doc pages fixed.
[20:44] <yofel> loco link fixed
[20:44] <Darkwing> why is apachelogger on Career section?
[20:44] <Darkwing> :P:P
[20:45] <yofel> I somehow guess he wrote that ^^
[20:45] <Darkwing> lol
[20:50] <sheytan_> yofel hey
[20:55] <apachelogger> Darkwing: it is the highest one can aspire to
[20:55] <apachelogger> sheytan_: fancy making some cool graphic?
[20:55] <apachelogger> involving kubuntu
[20:55] <apachelogger> and a heart or something
[20:55] <apachelogger> or unicorns
[20:55] <apachelogger> on second thought unicorns might be better
[20:55] <sheytan_> apachelogger: today?
[20:56] <apachelogger> yes
[20:56] <apachelogger> like right now :P
[20:56] <apachelogger> 1 hr or so
[20:56] <sheytan_> not really. Im f*king tired
[20:56] <apachelogger> only if you want though, I have other options
[20:56] <apachelogger> sheytan_: k
[20:56] <sheytan_> sorry, but i wont make it
[21:00]  * jussi moves the discussion with apachelogger here
[21:00] <apachelogger> sheytan_: sure, no worries :)
[21:00] <jussi> better than privately
[21:00] <jussi> so I was saying a choice of desktop default "look" in ubiquity could be nice
[21:01] <jussi> [22:57:01] <jussi> apachelogger: I'd rather see just a 3 picture/screenshot choice for desktop defaults (in ubiquity) and a button that says click here for more choices.
[21:01] <jussi> [22:59:02] <jussi> apachelogger: yes, so it comes up, "What style of destop would you like?"  Pic 1 ("normal" kde style) pic 2 (Unity style) pic 3 (gnome 2 style) 
[21:01] <apachelogger> look = plasma setup
[21:01] <apachelogger> jussi: the thing is ... choice is a dangerous thing if you force it onto people
[21:02] <apachelogger> people get easily confused
[21:02] <jussi> true.
[21:02] <apachelogger> e.g. they could get the idea that this cannot be changed after installation
[21:02] <apachelogger> thus worrying to much about what they choose
[21:02]  * DasKreech would vote for having it as a menu choice like Safe Graphics
[21:02] <apachelogger> and on that note ... we'd need an equally convenient way to switch the style after installation
[21:02] <DasKreech> GRub Menu
[21:02] <jussi> perhaps a better way is to have a single default picture with a dropdown to select others? so people can just click next...
[21:02] <apachelogger> which is not entirely trivial unfortunately :(
[21:03] <apachelogger> jussi: might work
[21:03] <DasKreech> Which is non trival as well
[21:03] <Tm_T> KDE had that first run wizard
[21:03] <apachelogger> fist run wizard = fail
[21:03] <jussi> Id rather we do it via activites or so. 
[21:03] <Tm_T> it wasn't success apparently
[21:03] <apachelogger> which is why kde does not have one anymore :P
[21:03] <Tm_T> apachelogger: ye
[21:03] <jussi> changeable either in system settings or some activity settings
[21:04] <apachelogger> we'd have to check how to achieve this
[21:04] <apachelogger> also this runtime option just made it something worth discussing with upstream
[21:04] <apachelogger> so ubiquity would allow the user to choose at installation, but any KDE can be switched to default styles using systemsettings
[21:05] <jussi> apachelogger: yeps!
[21:05] <jussi> I like it. 
[21:05] <jussi> what is the next step? 
[21:05] <DasKreech> Activites may be a possible scenario
[21:06] <yofel> what's the difference between your idea and just offering several activity templates and choosing the default one from ubiquity?
[21:06] <apachelogger> DasKreech: the only one I believe
[21:06] <yofel> which would be interesting
[21:06] <apachelogger> you cannot simply swap plasma configs around
[21:06] <apachelogger> jussi: find a dev, work out a way to make this work at runtime
[21:07]  * jussi grabs apachelogger....
[21:07] <apachelogger> make a proposal at kde-devel, see what they think
[21:07] <apachelogger> jussi: not me, I am busiest
[21:07] <apachelogger> jussi: yofel seems interested
[21:07] <yofel> hard to say, my TODO list is bursting too -.-
[21:07] <Darkwing> yofel: if you need some help toss it my way too.
[21:08] <jussi> yofel: Ive got cookies.... :D
[21:08] <yofel> I'll come back to that :D
[21:08] <yofel> lol
[21:09] <yofel> well, I could help out maybe, but not as primary dev for this. I've got too many other plans
[21:09]  * jussi assigns shadeslayer :P :P
[21:10]  * shadeslayer assigns apachelogger as mentor for task and points to GSoC 2012
[21:10] <shadeslayer> jussi: I have my hands full till the end of this cycle
[21:10] <jussi> shadeslayer: actually that could be a good idea
[21:11] <shadeslayer> jussi: yep
[21:11] <jussi> apachelogger: you think you could find the time for mentoring that? 
[21:12] <shadeslayer> :>
[21:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, cool, what do I mentor?
[21:13] <apachelogger> ah
[21:13] <apachelogger> that is not enough volume for gsoc
[21:13] <apachelogger> at best it is writing a 100sloc kcm to run template scripts
[21:14] <jussi> :(
[21:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'm pretty sure you can bundle stuff up
[21:14] <shadeslayer> could be a SoK if not GSoC
[21:14] <DasKreech> apachelogger: why can't you swap plasma configs on install? :)
[21:15] <shadeslayer> I *could* give it a shot next cycle if I'm fortunate enough to land a job
[21:15] <apachelogger> DasKreech: we can, that is not what needs evaluation :P
[21:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that also does not qualify for sok :P
[21:16] <yofel> Darkwing: re testing, I just found out that testdrive-gtk has a kubuntu tab, which makes it an easy way to offer daily dev-release testing to testers using kvm. (I don't believe our needs justify an UI rewrite)
[21:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: like I said, bundle it up with something else
[21:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: like what?
[21:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: fix plasma? :P
[21:17] <shadeslayer> hah
[21:17] <apachelogger> that goes out of scope
[21:17] <shadeslayer> I don't have the slightest idea right now
[21:18] <shadeslayer> Let me fix my stupid autotools build error now
[21:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: y u use autotools?
[21:26] <apachelogger> u mad? :O
[21:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the project demands it
[21:26] <apachelogger> worse yet... drunk?
[21:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what project?
[21:26] <apachelogger> you need to work on different projects :P
[21:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: libnice, NAT Traversal library
[21:28] <shadeslayer> fun stuff really
[21:29] <Riddell> feels like some new people on the channel this evening
[21:43] <Darkwing> yofel: Awesome! i didn't kno that they did that.
[21:43] <Darkwing> s/kno/know/
[21:43] <kubotu> Darkwing meant: "yofel: Awesome! i didn't know that they did that."
[21:48] <DasKreech> Riddell: you are going to be doing qt work over on the Desktop team?
[21:51] <Riddell> DasKreech: "over on the Desktop team" is not right to say, I'm on the desktop team now
[21:52] <Riddell> qt is an obvious area for me to spend time on
[21:52] <DasKreech> Over there on the desktop team :)
[21:58] <Riddell> oh ubuntu desktop team yes, canonical desktop team is what I'm on now
[21:59] <DasKreech> There is a difference between the two :-/
[21:59] <Riddell> right
[21:59] <DasKreech> what's the points of difference?
[22:01] <Riddell> canonical desktop team is a company team within canonical managed by jason warner working on Ubuntu Desktop and Kubuntu
[22:01] <Riddell> Ubuntu Desktop Team is an open community team within Ubuntu with a tech lead of pitti working on Ubuntu Desktop
[22:01] <Riddell> I don't know how many are in the ubuntu desktop team and are not in the canonical desktop team
[22:28] <micahg> ATM, I think it's 2
[22:29] <Riddell> amazing
[22:31] <micahg> also, ubuntu-desktop grants upload rights to the desktop packageset
[22:32] <micahg> which Riddell is an implicit member of as a core-dev
[22:33] <apachelogger> supreme uploaders unite
[22:33] <apachelogger> oh
[22:33] <apachelogger> unity
[22:33] <apachelogger> http://instantrimshot.com/
[22:34] <Riddell> do I want to look at that?
[22:35] <apachelogger> yes
[22:35] <apachelogger> it makes my ramblings complete
[22:48] <Riddell> how random
[23:38] <Riddell> hola toscalix 
[23:38] <toscalix> hola
[23:38] <toscalix> Riddell: you did a good job during fosdem
[23:39] <toscalix> I saw you very motivated
[23:39] <toscalix> Riddell: how are you feeling after fosdem?
[23:56] <Riddell> toscalix: exhausted