[00:36] salut [00:37] J'ai de la misere a mettre le jour hedgewars ??!!!! [00:38] Hello, i have a any problem with update install for the hedgewars games, Ubuntu ??? help please [00:42] hello [00:42] hey, why is KDE trying to open my JPEG files with Internet Explorer through wine when i click on it in dolphin? [00:43] graft: lol i was wondering the same [00:43] that is really terrible [00:43] is that a result of just installing wine? [00:44] will need to setup the .jpg file association to gwenview [00:44] yeah, but i never made that association in the first place, what did, and what other stupid associations did it make, and how do i undo them? [00:45] quelqu'un parle francais ? [00:46] un peu [00:46] J'aimerais savoir comment mettre a jour le jeux Hedgewars, j'ai la version 0.9.13 et je veux update a la version 0.9.17 [00:47] hmm, je ne connais pas ce jeux [00:48] ok ok [00:48] thanks :) [00:48] quel version de Ubuntu as tu? [00:49] il y est dans oneiric [00:54] http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?56026-Wine-1-3-spams-file-associations&highlight=wine+spams [00:54] seems like wine is just poison on ubuntu === jared is now known as Guest48695 [01:51] hi [01:53] ubottu say hi [01:53] guys [01:53] !hi [01:53] where can i dowload ubottu's aiml? [01:54] not only browse but download? [01:59] Way to wait for an answer [02:04] Daskreech, are you looking for a solution? [02:13] >mfw I end up watching High Noon === sabayonuser is now known as tbruff13 [02:21] Daskreech: can you help me [02:22] what is the package that i need to install it is build something [02:23] can someone help me please [02:23] tbruff13: build-essential [02:23] thanks [02:24] and DKMS [02:29] lethu: to? [02:29] Daskreech, I thought you were asking for help [02:32] lethu: Daskreech provides help. He needs no help. The help he needs is beyond mere mortals. [02:33] * lethu wonders what just happened [02:33] DarthFrog, you sure you need no help? [02:33] err... wait [02:33] this is not a discussion channel [02:33] sorry people [02:39] lethu: No someone asked for help and then left less than a minute later [02:39] Daskreech, I see [02:39] Just seemed strange to run in with such urgency and then run back out [02:39] Daskreech: huh [02:40] are you talking about me [02:40] tbruff13: Are you still here? [02:40] yes [02:40] i never left [02:40] Then I wasn't talking about you :) [02:40] I just did not need anymore help at this point do you need my help? [02:46] Perhaps... I had a question for you last night that I can't remember right now [03:03] There's an article on Linux Weekly News (lwn.net) that Canonical is pulling the plug on Kubuntu, relegating it to community support status only. [03:04] It looks like that after 12.04 is released, this channel might be the only real support that Kubuntu gets. [03:04] DarthFrog: yep there is [03:05] DarthFrog: yep seems so [03:06] yep there is the article http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/ [03:06] DarthFrog: and Kubuntu doesn't help Canonical make money, so I guess from a business perspective it makes sense to not support it properly anymore [03:08] DarthFrog: by the sounds of it, they will continue giving a server to host it's website, but that's about it [03:08] Disappointing, to say the least. [03:09] DarthFrog: not meaning to troll this channel, but well Kubuntu has been seen as a neglected distro for years by quite a lot of people, when compared to Ubuntu. I mean Canonical not supporting it properly. [03:09] I wonder if this makes the LTS status of 12.04 moot? [03:09] DarthFrog: well the Kubuntu 12.04 LTS, it will get Ubuntu updates [03:09] so seurity updates [03:09] and the verison of KDE will stay the same in it I guess [03:11] DarthFrog: also from the email/article [03:11] The first question to answer is whether the world needs Kubuntu - a [03:11] regularly released community-friendly distro with a strong KDE focus. [03:11] There is no other major distro out there that matches that description [03:11] but others arguably come close. [03:12] sebsebseb: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [03:12] ah yes floodbot, I don't use these kind of channels much anymore :) [03:12] sebsebseb: I suggest #kubuntu-offtopic (though I don't really consider it off-topic) for further discussion. [03:13] DarthFrog: that parragraph is totally an opinion ^ loads of great distros out there that offer KDE. [03:13] DarthFrog: well I tried to start a convo about that email their earlier as well as ubuntu off topic, but didn't get far with that there, but yeah if you want let's go there, I am still in there from earlier [03:16] Hi all [03:16] Hi [03:44] hello? [03:45] Hello [03:46] i just read that kubuntu is losing support, can anyone tell me what that means for my favorite distro? [03:48] monaxos-anarxiko: That you can't call a support desk phone number in 10 years to ask for help with Kubuntu [03:48] that's it? [03:48] i never do that anyway, haha, I was worried that updates would stop being issued or something [03:49] monaxos-anarxiko: Nope just paid support. Other than that it's almost exactly the same [03:52] that is a relief to hear... I hope it does stay the same and gets updates like now [03:53] i used to use regular Ubuntu but then they switched to that awful Unity interface and then I switched to KDE which I like [03:53] It will but it's just more incumbent on the community to work together to ensure things are updated [03:53] i don't know much about how that works, I'm not a programmer guy [03:53] Might be an interesting project to have a visible health of the packages :) [03:53] monaxos-anarxiko: It's actually not that much programming [03:54] More putting files in the right place and throwing them into a blender to see if they will blend [03:55] is that how distros are made? [03:55] Pretty much. :) [03:55] everyone is developing all these different projects and then people put all the files together and make a distro? [03:55] something to that effect :) [03:56] do you work on Kubuntu? [03:56] there is obviously still some programming around each distro but that's not normally the place that a packager holds [03:56] When I can [03:57] so you believe Kubuntu will still be around for some time to come? [03:57] because I was thinking of going to another distro, but I really like installing with deb files [03:57] and there seems to be more software for Ubuntu than other kinds of linux [03:58] i don't really know much [03:58] ^_^ [03:59] monaxos-anarxiko: I'd be surprised if it went away. Honestly Canonical wasn't really doing that much to keep it going in the first place [03:59] though they do provide a lot of infastructure [04:00] i read that they will still do that [04:00] that still exists and won't be taken away so as I said things will go on as they were before [04:00] yaaay, I am glad :) [04:00] i really like Kubuntu [04:01] ^_^ and thats' what will help keep it going [04:03] :) [04:05] Being part of the community is what keeps the distro ticking [04:05] I don't know what could I do to help? [04:06] monaxos-anarxiko: you could ask in #kubuntu-devel [04:06] I know docs are always useful [04:06] as are things like spell checking or writing releases for the website [04:07] that helps clear up time for .. say programming [04:10] i guess I could help, how does it all get organized? [04:12] With beer and bribes :) [04:12] Mostly there is a core team that hangs around all the time [04:12] you can do that by hanging around :) [04:13] then when something needs to get done someone steps up to do it [04:13] cool, I'll come here more often [04:13] i have to go now, but I'll be back, are you usually here? [04:13] normally you can just ask if it would be hard and whoever normally does it will help out [04:13] I'm normally here [04:13] cool :) [04:13] you can set your IRC client to login to #kubuntu-devel by default [04:13] im going to watch a movie with a friend [04:14] ill come back later [04:14] helps with the sitting and listening [04:14] enjoy! === jhon is now known as overrride [05:04] Holas [05:04] Alquien habla espaniol [05:07] !es | overrride [05:07] overrride: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. === sg is now known as Guest72494 === odin_ is now known as CrazyBonz [05:17] Does kubuntu have a firewall installed by default? [05:20] notaHacker: Yes [05:21] !firewall [05:21] Ubuntu, like any other Linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'ufw' command - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW | An alternative to ufw is the 'iptables' command - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo | GUI frontends such as Gufw (GNOME) and Guarddog (KDE Lucid and Maverick) also exist. [05:21] !info guarddog [05:21] Package guarddog does not exist in oneiric [05:21] boo :) [05:22] Daskreech: Thank you. Can you think of anything that would be default enabled on ufw that would affect openvpn? [05:23] Not that I know of. ubuntu doesn't ship with the firewall enforcing by defaul [05:23] y [05:23] t [05:23] Yea NM...its ufw is inactive anyways -_- [05:24] openvpn won't work on my ubuntu...its driving me crazy...works fine on windows...on ubuntu it connects, completes initialization...and then will ONLY work with whatever website was up on firefox before I started openvpn [05:28] #openvpn may help ? [05:29] I'm there :P [05:31] \o/ === yofel_ is now known as yofel [06:35] I just read the sad news :( [06:37] is there a way to temporarly make a bridge between wireless and eth0? [06:38] I tend to think so [06:41] hyper_ch: no it just means, Kubuntu will become much more community, however it stil won't be a 100% community distro really [06:42] hyper_ch: and I think the website will stil be hosted by Canonical for Kubuntu, however that's also one of the reasons why it won't be 100% community like many other distros are. [06:43] but it's nice having someone getting paid to actually work on Kubuntu [06:43] so, gotta get back to FreeTDM... gotta get it to work with the hfcusb modem [06:44] (now that RaspberryPi release comes closer) [06:44] hyper_ch: well yes in a way, but I can think of quite a few distros that provide a very good KDE experience, and they are 100% community as well, everyone who contributes to them is a volunter that is not getting paid to do so. [06:44] well, I have found a liking to NixOS... too bad KDE isn't so current there [06:45] hyper_ch: also Canonical are still not making any profit as far as I know, and KDE isn't what they are using to try and go main streame anyway, that's Unity [06:46] "not making profit" can mean a lot of things :) Remember: Star Wars still isn't profitable :) [06:46] hyper_ch: so as a business, makes sense to support Kubuntu less, especially since it's not really much of a success story, even though it has quite a few or so users [06:47] Linux_Jones: Yes === ts2 is now known as tsimpson [06:52] Daskreech: hows that? [06:54] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router [07:06] Daskreech: i want it reversed, with web coming in the wireless and local on eth0, i just reverse it all right? [07:06] Essentially [07:10] Daskreech: http://pastebin.ca/2110630 does that look about right? [07:12] Yes [07:13] You took a backup of what was thre before right? [07:21] no it does not [07:35] I upgraded to (not fresh install) Kubuntu 12.04 alpha 2. Reviewing System Settings > Startup and Shutdown > Autostart , it has two scripts, gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh and gtk2-engines-qtcurve.rc.sh. Is one of these obsolete? [07:37] System Settings > Application Appearance > GTK+ Appearance is set to QtCurve but there's also oxygen-gtk. I don't remember monkeying with any of this in previous Kubuntus... [07:47] <[Relic]> Any disk cleaning tools that show progess or estimated time? [07:59] What is the difference between just downloading and using KDE, rather than using Kubuntu? [07:59] mel_: Hmm? [08:00] Daskreech: Does KDE come with a complete system like Kubuntu is? [08:00] no KDE is just the Libraries, Frameworks and some applications [08:01] I see [08:01] It's the interface and the rules between the interface and the applications you could say [08:01] All the other things like the Kernel and the coretools are not part of the project of KDE [08:02] if you just wanted KDE from the project itself you would have to assemble the rest of the System [08:02] I thought so, but on a blog I was reading it made it sound like it was complete. [08:02] Thanks for clearing that up for me [08:02] mel_: which blog? [08:02] I think they may mean complete from the point of view of what they set out to accomplish [08:03] I'm not sure what blog it was now, I was kinda just surfing around reading various things. [08:03] for example the Linux Kernel guys may think they have done as complete a job as they can do but you still cannot use the computer with just the kernel [08:03] You still need bash at least to send commands but that's not part of the Linux project [08:04] yeah I see what you mean [08:04] I basically knew it was just the desktop environment, I just wasn't sure why they were making it sound that way [08:04] I thought what I knew was wrong this whole time [08:04] lol [08:04] Could be the person writing the article was speaking out of ignorance as well [08:05] that could be [08:05] Anyone is allowed to post a blog (or write a newspaper article) afterall [08:05] yeah [08:05] I read another one that made me wonder about the future of Kubuntu [08:05] I'm really hoping it continues to be developed after what I read [08:06] I know who's blog that came from [08:06] Jonathan Riddle's blog [08:06] the main dev [08:06] and you're not the first talking about that ;) [08:07] in all honesty it doesn't make that much difference [08:07] Daskreech: can we put note "hey, we're not going away" or similar in the channel topic? [08:07] If you like you can think of it as clarity on where Kubuntu is [08:08] Shaan7: I'd like to get Riddell to word something for the Kubuntu blog and we will link that [08:08] Daskreech: ah yea better, much more verbose [08:08] and comforting considering how many people are sobbing that they will have to buy Windows 8 now [08:09] hehe [08:09] I'd never buy Windows 8 either way [08:09] I'd go to something else [08:09] although I really don't want Kubuntu to go anywhere [08:09] mel_: but Canonical does not do very much work on Kubuntu. They provide infrastructure and servers and none of that has changed [08:10] All the things that you know and care about Kubuntu remain as is unless you were paying Canonical money before [08:10] Yeah basically what I got from it was that he wasn't going to get anymore funding from them [08:10] Now they won't take that money so .. that's the only major change [08:11] No more like they won't take any more funds from Kubuntu users (Yeah I know it's a strange way of wording it) [08:11] and Riddell will now be working on the Desktop Team for ubuntu which he was doing before anyway [08:12] mel_: Kubuntu stays very close to upstream KDE [08:12] mel_: so the branding and some other things, is what's different [08:12] mel_: also you can install KDE I think from the repos rather than Kubuntu [08:13] mel_: and quite a few other distros change KDE a bit more here and there [08:13] sebsebseb, I see what your saying, so I could take any distro and just download KDE and be pretty much like Kubuntu? [08:13] mel_: yep exactly :) [08:13] sebsebseb, awesome [08:13] Except without all the awesome people in this Channel :) [08:14] wow [08:14] so what were they funding it for??? [08:14] which is really what makes Kubuntu rocking :) [08:14] mel_: Cause Riddell asked them to [08:14] huh [08:14] Kubuntu is ok, but more of a Gnome user anyway, but if I am to use KDE these days, would useaully be in something else :) [08:14] I used to like Gnome the most [08:14] until that unity crap [08:15] mel_: that wasn't Gnome, that was Canonical [08:15] mel_: you can install Gnome Shell from the repos [08:15] oh [08:15] Gnome hasn't changed then? [08:15] mel_: Canonical started Unity, the sponser company of Ubuntu [08:15] it's still the same good Gnome [08:15] ? [08:15] mel_: Oh no Gnome Changed too :) [08:15] mel_: for Gnome 3, Gnome have their own interface called Gnome Shell which you can see videos of here :) http://gnome3.org [08:15] * sebsebseb recently tried Gnome Shell on a touch screen, and found it even more awesome like that :) [08:16] ok yeah I don't like that [08:16] I like the old versions [08:16] mel_: have you tried shell? [08:17] sebsebseb, no [08:17] mel_: well sure there's KDE, and LXDE, and XFCE and such, but there's also mate really, a Gnome 2 fork, in Mint 12, and can get it for Ubuntu some how as well [08:17] !gnome [08:17] GNOME is the default !desktop environment on Ubuntu up to 10.10 To install it from Kubuntu or Xubuntu, type « sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop » in a !terminal. [08:17] !shell [08:17] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal [08:17] no not those factoids [08:17] sebsebseb: well it's built for touch. Like unity [08:17] mel_: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell I think it is :) [08:17] !info gnome-shell [08:17] gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.1-0ubuntu1.1 (oneiric), package size 1082 kB, installed size 4956 kB [08:18] mel_: may need a propritary Nivida driver installed first for it to work ok, depending on what card you got [08:18] mel_: But in short Kubuntu is the same kubuntu you have known [08:18] It's always been a community run distro and this just makes that clear [08:18] Daskreech: not 100% community though [08:18] sebsebseb: Yes [08:19] Canonical doesn't really get a overridding say in what Kubuntu does [08:19] Hence things like allowing KDE 4.0 in an LTS release [08:20] Daskreech, why wouldn't they allow it though? [08:20] mel_: allow what? [08:20] what's significant about 4.0 [08:20] KDE 4.0 ? [08:20] yeah [08:20] Did you use 4.0 ? :) [08:20] actually I'm still using 4.5.5 [08:20] KDE 4.0 was technology release, not meant for normal users (: [08:21] mel_: 4.5.5. in what? [08:21] Never mind you wouldn't have asked if you used 4.0 [08:21] Kubuntu [08:21] mel_: 4.0 was the first KDE 4 version distros put in basically quite a few of them, and it wasn't that good [08:21] mel_: 4.5.5 is quite a few releases later [08:21] mel_: 4.0 was not meant to be released to users since it wasn't ready. It was a testing release [08:21] mel_: also distros weren't meant to just put KDE 4.0 in, but Kubuntu and so on did anwyay [08:21] Buenas Noches. [08:21] Good night [08:21] mel_: it was more like a preview version, and the develoeprs of KDE tried to make this quite clear as well, but distros shipped it anwyay [08:22] :) [08:22] sebsebseb: Notably Fedora [08:22] mel_: however this was done in Ubuntu 8.04 for example, but could aslo easilly have KDE 3 or it's apps :) [08:22] huh [08:22] interesting [08:22] mel_: in fact could mix the KDE 3 and KDE 4 apps :) [08:22] have the same program [08:22] ,but in both KDE 3 or KDE 4 open [08:22] have both versions open together of the same program, for example :D [08:23] huh [08:23] that's weird [08:23] xD [08:23] Daskreech: maybe so, but Fedora is what people tend to use when wanting Gnome [08:23] Daskreech: and Kubuntu is probably quite a bit more popular than Fedora KDE [08:23] and probably was back then as well in the 4.0 days [08:24] sebsebseb: Yes but they are always going to ship stuff first as long as it says it is officially released [08:24] mel_: no it's not, and Linux is very much so about choice in general, from the distros, to the interfaces that are used in them, to the other programs [08:24] mel_: and, because we have something called upstream, most Desktop Linux distro's are quite similar overall really [08:25] How are you EternalObscurity? [08:25] Bueno suficiente tiempo acá [08:25] bien y tu Dask ?= :) [08:25] bien y tu = fine and you? [08:25] Bien [08:25] Si [08:25] que bíen [08:25] !es [08:25] En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. [08:25] De donde eres? [08:25] EternalObscurity: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [08:26] mel_: however with Unity well it makes Ubuntu differnet from many other distros, but they should be more friendly and helpful to other distros, who want to provide it, and as far as I know that isn't really the case at the mometn [08:26] they are after all meant to be an upstream with Unity [08:26] and upstreams are meant to, provide their software to loads of distors [08:27] in any case you guys can continue the discussion in #kubuntu-offtopic [08:27] O.o [08:27] mel_: you seem to be quite new to this stuff, I suggest trying out quite a few distros, and differnet interfaces, and have fun :) [08:27] EternalObscurity: Jamaica [08:27] Daskreech: hardly any people use that, and I think this chat is over now or pretty much anyway since mel_ isn't really replying anymore [08:28] ohhh Dask [08:28] you come from jamaica dask? [08:28] :-) [08:28] cool [08:28] Yes [08:28] no [08:28] hot! [08:28] Daskreech: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [08:29] i from Dominican Repúblic [08:29] flood slow "bot" xD [08:29] bye to all [08:29] Bye EternalObscurity [08:29] :) [08:29] good night / day , etc blah blah :) thanks for all [08:29] ;) [08:29] You are welcome [08:29] Buenos Noches [08:29] thank's :) [08:29] gracias , buenas noches dask [08:29] adios [08:33] In any case I should be going [08:33] * Daskreech waves [08:36] Hello. I have a problem with fglrx driver - no matter if I install normal or updates one, it doesn't load! [08:37] glxgears tells me: X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) [08:53] i set up kmail/akonadi with my gmail imap and i'm trying to get it to reliably notify me of new mail [08:53] but it seems that it only notifies me if kmail is actually running [09:07] I upgraded to Kubuntu 12.04/KDE 4.8, and now the Alt-Tab icons are enormous and I only see four at a time. I've fiddled around in System Settings >Window Behavior > Task Switcher but don't know what to change. [09:17] to answer my own question, I can't seem to shrink the Alt-Tab icons, but choose Effect: Layout-based switcher then click spanner and choose Small Icons give a teeny Alt-Tab panel. === sg is now known as Guest98346 === seshagiri is now known as arathi === arathi is now known as arathicool === arathicool is now known as arathi === arathi is now known as arathicool === arathicool is now known as arathi === Guest10826 is now known as Mamarok [11:20] !list [11:20] This is not a file sharing channel (or network); be sure to read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ». [11:22] hi all! === arathi is now known as seshagiri === dimw1t is now known as a7145 === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === ironfroggy_ is now known as Guest51260 [14:40] is Kubuntu going to die? [14:41] no, but the rest of us aren't so lucky [14:41] what's happening then? [14:42] in reality, not a whole lot [14:46] Can i get some help for 12 or i should go in #ubuntu+.? [14:46] oh man numlock didn't boot again :/ [14:46] if it's not released, #ubuntu+1 is always the place :) [14:47] ok thank you tsimpson [14:53] Hey all === a7145 is now known as dislexigoth === dislexigoth is now known as a7145 [15:46] hi dear kubuntu user and the team. I am not member in our forum but I can help you guys/girl solve this issue: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?57097-My-4-8-Experience-BAD!!! [15:47] this users problem is more nvidia driver related then kde 4.8.0 [15:47] the latest nvidia beta graphical driver have solved this issue [15:48] I have myself geforce go 7400 card. [15:49] kde 4.8.0 works really great here [15:52] Kurdistan, yes , geforce7600gt here and it work very well [15:52] works [15:52] BluesKaj, kde 4.8.0 is flying :) [15:52] on 12.04 ,kde 4.8 as well [15:53] I needed to compile 295.17 nvidia (latest beta) then it worked with kwin effects and all. [15:53] no freezing or what so ever [15:53] I stick with nvidia-current driver [15:53] BluesKaj, are you member in the kubuntu? if så you can give the user tips to try latest nvidia driver. [15:55] Kurdistan, you don't need to be a member to help out here , as as the advice you give isn't hurtful to ppl's systems [15:55] as long as [15:57] BluesKaj, I most be member to reply on that topic in the forum [15:58] BluesKaj, 1. sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa 2. sudo apt-get update 3. sudo apt-get install nvidia-current nvidia-settings [15:59] this will let the user to test latest beta the easiest way [15:59] then reboot. done. [15:59] oh , the forums , yes I am a member , but I like to spend myn time here , and give advice when I can [16:00] BluesKaj, okey, if you wanted you can write this tips, but it is up to you. [16:01] no thanks Kurdistan but this pc is working well and it's our media server our Home Theater system , a new experimental driver isn't necessary atm [16:02] BluesKaj, I did not meant you should try it. [16:02] I mean you can give the user that started the topic this tips [16:03] normally ppas aren't posted in forums , that's for ppl who specifically ask to experiment , not a good policy for the forums IMO [16:05] xorg-edgers is a particulary bad ppa to add, if anything it should be ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates [16:06] edgers has bleeding edge X packages which break frequently === Guest51260 is now known as ironfroggy_ [16:08] yofel: nice to hear someone else say that [16:09] yofel, thats true, but remenber x-swat only have latest stable. [16:09] and that is not like latest beta. [16:09] the latest stable will not solve the problem for that user [16:09] I know [16:09] sure, but adding edgers without knowing how to use apt pinning will usually just make things worse [16:10] yofel, yes thats true, but my pointed was that the problem is not kde 4.8.0 related [16:10] it is more driver related [16:14] anyway guys/girls have nice day. I am login out. peace. [16:25] this is a sad day , http://www.kubuntuforums.net/content.php?116-Kubuntu-s-New-Future === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [16:42]