[00:04] avelldiroll: you want a 11.10 iso? [00:04] i can find that [00:04] wxl ? [00:04] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso [00:04] wxl: i know where it is, i was just answering to someone else [00:05] oh sorry avelldiroll meant to point that at labim [00:05] wxl; we were answering labim, but he/she seems afk [00:05] there actually is NOT more than one iso [00:05] i mean there is NOT *ONLY* one iso [00:06] there are several, one per arch [00:09] point being that [00:09] < avelldiroll:#lubuntu> labim: there is only one mini.iso [00:09] is not true [00:10] in fact, here's a precise one http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso [00:12] labim; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Method [00:12] I'll leave it with that [00:15] thank you all [00:16] i now have the proper mini.iso [00:17] no problem :D [00:17] i am having a little trouble understanding the difference between lubuntu-core, lubuntu-desktop & --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop [00:17] Don't mention it...seriously: don't! [00:17] which one of them installs what? [00:17] well lubuntu-core is really just the basic system [00:17] lubuntu-desktop has all the extra apps and such [00:18] removing recommends makes sure you don't get any unnecessary stuff [00:18] where can I find the exact contents of each without installing them? the wiki is little help... [00:18] labim; running an ubuntu-based distro right now?> [00:18] no, running arch [00:18] so in terms of footprint no-recommends core < core < no-recommends desktop < desktop [00:18] wxl: thank you, that explains it very nicely [00:19] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lubuntu-core [00:19] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lubuntu-desktop [00:19] click on the version you want and you'll see all packages, dependencies and recommends [00:19] I think I will just play around with it a little bit - is there some proper place to then post my experiences where someone else might find it useful? [00:19] I always forget about packages.ubuntu.com [00:19] * MrChrisDruif will link to those pages, maybe tomorrow [00:19] wxl; can you remind me tomorrow? [00:20] i'll try to remember [00:20] Or fix it yourself ^_^ [00:20] i'm bad at that stuff :D [00:20] You are? [00:20] i've been meaning to hit that page and maybe more clearly describe how to find the mini.iso [00:20] oh heh there is no such thing as a no-recommends core [00:21] core has no recommends [00:21] so core is EXTREMELY basic [00:21] doesn't even have alsa!!! [00:22] in general i would say just get desktop [00:22] I think the most appropriate one for me is no-recommends lubuntu-desktop [00:22] wxl; -core DOES have recommends [00:22] you can remove apps but there's some good stuff in the recommends of desktop e.g. unzip/zip, obconf, ntp [00:22] etc. [00:22] no recommends here http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/lubuntu-core [00:23] although, e.g. xorg has recommends so by extension core has recommends [00:23] "Recommends: acpi-support, avahi-daemon, bluez, bluez-alsa, bluez-cups, cups, cups-bsd, cups-client, fonts-kacst-one, fonts-khmeros-core, fonts-lao, fonts-takao-pgothic, foo2zjs, hplip, kerneloops-daemon, laptop-detect, libnss-mdns, min12xxw, pcmciautils, policykit-desktop-privileges, printer-driver-c2esp, ptouch-driver, pxljr, rastertosag-gdi, splix, ttf-indic-fonts-core, ttf-punjabi-fonts, ttf-thai-tlwg, ttf-ubuntu-font-family" [00:23] apt-cache show lubuntu-core [00:23] that is strange. [00:24] I'm running pangolin, but I can't think -core would get all those recommends in one release [00:24] Oh my....it did O_O [00:25] http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/lubuntu-core [00:25] not on oneric [00:25] http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/lubuntu-core [00:25] THAT has recommends [00:25] a whole LOAD of them!!! [00:25] bluez-alsa???? [00:25] whoa in oneric alsa was part of desktop not core [00:26] madness [00:26] agreed!! [00:26] oops :) [00:27] as a whole, will lubuntu 12.04 be heavier on the system than 11.10? [00:27] it shouldn't be, labim but it's kind of early to say anything certain [00:27] there's a general resistance in the lubuntu team against anything that increases its footprint [00:27] that's a good sign [00:28] like the mailing list is having a heated argument over [00:28] (this is funny) [00:28] a clipboard manager [00:28] can the nightly builds of the lubuntu-12.04.iso already be considered as representative of what it is going to be like or are there no significant changes yet (again, I cannot find a proper changelog for that iso) [00:28] so lubuntu's not going to like install gimp or libre office or inkscape or latex or anything :D [00:28] 12.04 is certainly in flux right now [00:29] as of my most recent test, it needs some serious help [00:29] As far as I understand, the 12.04 release will be mainly about bug-fixes [00:30] Most flavours will tread it as a LTS release, Lubuntu however will not. We currently lack the dev support to maintain it on that level [00:31] is there some linux distribution that is 1) user-friendly 2) very light-weight 3) has a large developer base 4) is actively supported ? [00:32] labim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule as you can see here, precise did not enter the beta phase yet, so as an alpha it may not be considered representative of the final release (some would say you should even wait for the RC to say that sort of things) [00:32] labim: depends on how you define #1 [00:33] labim: lubuntu describe your specs, i would suggest to take a look to slitaz if you search for something even more lightweight [00:33] i think that actually lubuntu does pretty well there-- with perhaps the exception of the large developer base although many of its components are ubuntu and it has a large developer base [00:34] a lot of lightweight distros have no gui [00:34] or suck (puppylinux)) [00:34] i really like lubuntu, I just think it is being overshadowed by ubuntu too much and thus not as much developed [00:34] Ghehe.. [00:35] oh i actually think that helps its development labim [00:37] labim: you should not considered lubuntu and ubuntu as being different distributions, the only difference is the selection of packages installed by default [00:39] A lot of the core apps are maintained by big brother Ubuntu, why the LXDE/Lubuntu specific ones are maintained by our devs [00:39] …as well as the general lxde community [00:39] ok, that explains it nicely [00:39] which is not specific to lubuntu [00:40] e.g. some guy popped into #lxde the other day who was running lxde but with xmonad as a wm instead of openbox in arch [00:40] in fact, lxde has spread itself all over the linux world [00:41] which is to say it has a pretty big user base [00:42] like here's fedora pretending to be lubuntu: https://spins.fedoraproject.org/lxde/ [00:46] that way to use software is amazing [01:57] well, this is odd: Lubuntu's Update Manager has stopped asking for my password, just goes on ahead and applies updates. [01:58] is that a bug? [05:27] hi all [05:28] Hope to be in the right place to ask a question about boot from usb drive of lubuntu... [05:30] !ask [05:30] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [05:31] I installed 11.10 with the ubuntu disk utility on usb, then removed the casper-rw file e created the casper-rw patition. All seems to work well. I have all my user files on the casper partition. The problem is that every time the system boots it logs in as live user and it's quite stressing to log out and inevery time. How should I do? [05:33] Are you looking for !persistence? Seems like you're booting from USB, no? [05:34] Unit193: yes I am. but I have persistence in files and setytings. I don't have it in booting [05:35] Unit193: I previously installed ubuntu on usb and it worked well. Like that it booted as a normal installation. But with lubuntu I have to start from the live every time. Don't know why... [05:36] I've not actually tried that with Ubuntu yet, just installed this 'round. Also never used that method to try it, maybe the other two that should be reading this do? ;) [05:39] I'm quite an ignorant about how a system works but I can suppose that it can be something related to the boot loader or something... [05:42] So I'm hearing the exact same thing works with another Ubuntu, do you know if more than one? And I'd try it once 12.04 comes out since it's going to get security updates longer, and is a generally new system [05:50] I will try 12.04 but just wondered if I can use this version too now. Anyway the working version is ubuntu 10.04 [05:50] The one I'm using now. [05:51] * phillw sorry I'm busy else where - but if you are playing with resizing casper - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1147101 has some good info. [05:51] phillw: not exactly that, but thanks for the link [06:10] well, thank you for the support. And in particular thank you for the development of such a good sistem as lubuntu. See you [09:12] hello [09:13] some days it happens on my Lubuntu the connection is a slow unheard. The opening and loading of pages with chromium are slow and sometimes crashes alcuen: solutions? [09:15] Switch ISP? [09:16] how? [09:18] I do not know what it is [09:18] ISP is your Internet Service Provider (basically, I'm blaming your internet provider for your slow connection) [09:19] Other then that I don't know how to diagnose internet connections [09:23] have you actually established that the problem is in the connection and not in the browser? [09:24] performed tests download speeds 4 mbps upload speed 0.4 mbps [09:26] telecom italia [09:43] Myrtti, What do you think, given the results? [09:51] I'd try another router as well [09:53] I have another router [10:10] From last night's conversation it would appear giuseppe60 has installed konqueror which has also pulled in a lot of KDE processes on an older machine which may be slowing it down and from a paste appeared to be using over 90% of RAM. [10:10] giuseppe60: have you tried the steps shown last night to remove the kde stuff properly? [10:12] head_victim, I removed all kde and the kde libraries from patting management [10:38] Hello. I wanted to install lubuntu using the mini.iso. I downloaded it, burned it, booted it, chose command line install, went through all the settings, and after restart I have no image on screen, only a blinking _ [10:38] what should I do? [10:48] hello! is there a webpage where one can see which applications are delievered with Lubuntu? [10:50] nevermind - solved the issue. Apparently after reboot it boots into the graphical user interface, which is not present. Solved by switching to tty1 using the proper key combination, now get a prompt. [10:50] you might want to update the installation instructions for this issue [10:57] additionally, on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall , these are not required anymore "sudo apt-get install python-software-properties" and "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa" correct? [10:57] I'm looking for a lightweight Debian based distribution without office, multimedia, artwork, ... packages. [10:58] miglo: http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/lubuntu-desktop [10:59] and [10:59] http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/lubuntu-core [10:59] use mini.iso from ubuntu and then follow: [10:59] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall [10:59] that will give you what you want [11:00] I think you will be looking for "--no-install-recommends lubuntu-core", it is as barebone lubuntu as you can [11:00] and then you can install what you need [11:01] that's exactly for what I was looking for. - thank you very much for all these information. [11:02] miglo: be careful though, lubuntu-core does not include alsa etc. [11:03] so I hope you know what you are doing === hartleyshc is now known as hartley [14:06] Hello. I installed lubuntu using the ubuntu mini.iso and then performing apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop. Everything seems to work except sound. When I boot the computer using lubuntu live cd sound works with no problem. What can I do? [14:11] vanaha: I guess alsa isn't a hard dependency of that package, so you'd need to install alsa-base [14:12] alsa-base appears to be installed [14:12] alsamixer exists, aplay -l shows correct device etc. [14:12] and no, the sound is not muted [14:13] though I did have to add my user to the audio group in order for alsamixer & aplay -l to work without sudo [14:14] it is an intel HDA sound card, integrated on board [14:15] and it works with no problems under live cd, so it has to do something with some package being missing or being improperly configured by deafult [14:16] can you try specifying the right device to aplay in case it's defaulting to the wrong one or something? [14:16] i have no sound in firefox or vlc either [14:17] also, aplay -l only shows one device, so i do not see what else it could default to [14:18] **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** [14:18] card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC260 Analog [ALC260 Analog] [14:18] Subdevices: 1/1 [14:18] Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 [14:18] oh, okay, I've got loads of devices shown for my card [14:25] nevermind, it now suddenly works :/ I hate these kinds of problems... now I will never know what broke it... [14:25] ... or what fixed it... [15:01] hello [15:09] I changed my router, but still all the same, after a few openings for web pages, chormium trouble opening web pages, while running a test on another PC installed xp, not chrome these problems. [15:49] there is a chromium consumption for java: is this possible? http://paste.ubuntu.com/832726/ [15:53] giuseppe60, chromium uses java actively... [15:54] EvilResistance, hello [15:54] i'm not on Lubuntu, but I am on Kubuntu. I've done a test, and Chromium actually loads java with it [15:54] so that it can correctly operate [15:54] (it uses Java in parts of it) [15:55] no, because I had seen slow opening of the page [15:55] which page? :p [15:55] (note i cant test atm, i'm on windows because of the evil network i'm on) [15:56] its possible, actually, the page is Java-intense which is why there's an increase in Java's usage [16:04] giuseppe60, could be a network problem, not necessarily chromium's fault [16:04] giuseppe60, you could always just kill chromium and java and reopen it [16:04] and if you get the same usage again, well then its Chromium's fault. [16:06] ok thant [16:07] ok thanks [16:08] yep [16:09] EvilResistance, performed tests download speeds 4 mbps upload speed 0.4 mbps the network will do [16:10] could be at their end... i dont necessarily trust network speed tests :p [16:11] an external test http://www.speedtest.net/ [16:11] note that when i say "network problem" it could be your end, their end, or anywhere inbetween [16:11] i've got to head to class, unfortunately... [16:12] *disappears because if he's late to class he's going to miss an exam* [16:12] ok thanks [17:24] How can I kill Dropbox after 20 minutes at startup? :) [17:25] Hi I'm having difficulty to access my HTPC trought vnc4server [17:31] what is a decent calendaring solution? === AmberJ is now known as JordiGH === JordiGH is now known as AmberJ [17:47] Ahmuck: you are already running a mail-client? [17:47] Ahmuck: like thunderbird or evolution [19:26] Hi [19:28] I just installed lubuntu and I need some help about configurating desktop... Can anyone help me ? [19:28] PS : I'm sorry i'm french and my english isn't perfect ^^ [19:29] !ask | F4ster [19:29] F4ster: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [19:29] !ask How to add the computer icon on the desktop ? [19:29] F4ster: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [19:30] computer icon [19:30] where it should take you? [19:31] bioterror : computer:/// [19:31] http://paste.ubuntu.com/833032/ [19:31] make computer.desktop file with your text editor and save it to your Desktop [19:32] should be something like that [19:34] it take me to /home/ how to go to computer:/// ? [19:36] F4ster: just have the exec line be pcmanfm computer:/// [19:37] it works thx :) [19:37] np :) [19:37] that will work with anything else you might want too [19:37] e.g. network:/// [19:38] or ssh:///user@service/path/to/share [19:38] ;) [19:38] ok ^^ i'll surely have a lot of questions after i'll come back soon :) [19:38] sounds good [19:39] feel free to idle away here and pipe up when you like [19:39] plus as you figure out things you can help others with their problems you've already figrued out ;) [19:39] he left minutes ago [19:39] :D [19:39] oh well [19:39] too much traffic to pay attention to joins, parts, quits, modes, and nicks [19:40] bioterror: from now on, every line is addressed to someone [19:47] anyone else notice that precise doesn't include an irc client? [19:47] kanliot: and oneiric does? [19:51] yeah pretty sure [19:51] not 100% sure [19:51] kanliot: mine don't [19:51] kanliot: it does include pidgin which can handle irc but there's no xchat or irssi as two possible examples [19:51] ok [19:52] kanliot: if i were in control of lubuntu (i'm a little too minimalist for many) we'd all be using irssi+bitlbee instead of pidgin [19:52] kanliot: however i don't think our windows expats would appreciate that ;) [19:52] what's ircssi+bitbee? [19:52] just a client? [19:53] kanliot: irssi is an awesome console based irc client [19:53] kanliot: bitlbee is a irc gateway that basically forwards im traffic into your irc client [19:53] k thx [19:54] weechat > irssi [19:54] time to move on this decade [19:55] i haven't realy found a client i like [19:55] * wxl rolls his eyes at bioterror [19:55] ircII EPIC5 [19:55] hahahah [19:55] now THAT'S funny [19:55] * wxl cut his teeth on ircII many, many moons ago [19:56] let's keep the cusswords out the discussion, shall we? :-P [19:56] ircII is not same as ircII EPIC ;) [19:57] i know! [19:57] Myrtti: sorry, i won't say "weechat" again [19:57] I meant the irc*PTHYI*II [19:58] heh [19:58] !ask How to search a file ? [19:58] F4ster: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [19:58] hi* [19:58] Myrtti: i didn't say i liked it. it was all i knew back then [19:58] F4ster: lxfind [19:59] of course i think that's only precise only [20:00] use find command from terminal? [20:00] f4ster: http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/2012/01/havent-tried-lxfind-yet-for-those-who.html [20:01] do you irssi users still mess with that /lastlog instead of a working search? [20:01] lxfind is beta IMHO [20:01] catfish might work but i've never used it [20:01] kanliot: sure, that's what lxfind basically does [20:01] F4ster: kanliot is right, catfish will work and lxfind is beta but lxfind is destined for inclusion [20:02] F4ster: and to correct myself it's not precise only [20:02] bioterror: yes as far as i know [20:02] wxl, oh poor you ;) [20:02] bioterror: doesn't bother me any [20:02] wxl, probably becouse you dont know about better ;) [20:03] bioterror: or i don't care [20:03] lastlog works well enough [20:04] Unit193, no it does not, as it pollutes the window with old stuff [20:04] bioterror: unless you do a lastlog specifically on what you want [20:04] /win new split [20:04] /lastlog -window 13 words here [20:04] for example i have alias ll which is /lastlog -new -msgs -hilight [20:05] which is only the newest msgs and hilights since the last lastlog [20:05] I get hilights to my status window if I'm away [20:06] * wxl oohs and aahs with ennui [20:21] How to setup grub ? i need to choose my OS launching my computer [20:21] i'm gonna guess.. [20:21] !grub | F4ster [20:21] F4ster: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) [20:21] * wxl is a good guesser [20:21] !grub [20:22] it's the 2nd link you want (re: grub2) F4ster [20:22] thx [20:28] !grub | F4ster [20:28] F4ster, please see my private message [20:36] uhm, there's like a giant rectangle stuck in the center of the screen [20:36] how would I make it stop? [20:37] freeroute: hit alt-f2 and try "openbox --restart" without the quotes and see if that fixes it [20:39] wxl: nope, still there. I also used slock to lock screen and went back, that rectangle seems to be playing hard ball. [20:40] freeroute: screenshot please? [20:43] wxl: http://i.imgur.com/VjInw.png [20:44] fascinating [20:44] ok let's try something else again which is totally unlikely to be the problem but "lxpanelctl restart" [20:45] freeroute: one other crazy notion is to minimize the window and then maximize it again [20:46] wxl: none of them worked, can something be wrong on the hardware level of my nVidia GForce GTX260m ? [20:46] or could it be a rootkit injection of somekind? [20:47] anyone else? bioterror? Unit193? [20:47] I let a terminal window open for quite some time in where I was logged in as root [20:47] looks weird [20:47] i'd call the rootkit unlikely. it's not windows after all ;) [20:47] does it come back if you restart login manager? [20:47] hehe [20:47] I'd say xkill and click it :P [20:48] oh! good thought [20:48] Unit193, not gonna work! [20:48] how do I restart the login manager? and I'm afraid I might kill my whole desktop with xkill :p [20:48] bioterror: I didn't read the whole thing, what'd I miss? [20:48] freeroute, starting whole X sessions kills your whole desktop too ;) [20:49] well I tried the xkill thing and now all my icons on the desktop are gone [20:49] who needs them anyway when you have the terminal [20:50] :D [20:50] hahahha i like you freeroute ;) [20:51] oh yeah, I'm soo hardcore :p [20:51] so I can try the login manager thing [20:52] sudo service lxdm restart [20:52] won't that also get rid of all the windows? [20:52] :--) [20:52] lol [20:52] you can start them again after login [20:52] lulz [20:53] oh well who needs windows anyway ;p [20:53] yeah, use just console [20:53] I used to have a friend who only used console [20:53] i've done it before [20:53] nothing like videos a la ascii [20:53] actually, he mostly just listened to music with mpg123 and played bat game [20:54] cmus is the best [20:54] and asciiportal ;) [20:55] and so it happened [20:55] did it come back? [20:56] no, I'm kind of going to miss my temporary rectangled friend though. [20:56] make a wallpaper with it :D [20:56] and my chromium session which was entirely in spy mode [20:56] oh good idea [20:57] hello [20:57] http://i.imgur.com/90F7c.png [20:58] shame about the scrot dialog though [20:58] oh you can set chromium to always be in spy mode [20:59] but it's croppable, we have the technology [20:59] that's not what you were asking but hey just saying [20:59] hi giuseppe60 [20:59] freeroute, hello [20:59] wxl: I'm interested in this, how would one achieve such bliss? [21:00] does anyone know how to alphabetize bookmarks in browser midori? [21:00] that kind of saves me to go Ctrl+Shift+N every time [21:00] freeroute: change your chromium.desktop to "Exec=chromium-browser --incognito %U" [21:04] freeroute, scrot -d 4 foo.png [21:04] freeroute, give it some seconds of delay ;) [21:05] wxl: just rename the desktop icon right? If so then it doesn't seem to be working [21:06] i don't get michaelrawsons email on the mailing list. someone explain it to me? [21:06] bioterror: thanks I'll remember that :) [21:06] freeroute: no change the .desktop Exec line [21:07] wxl: oh, I can open the desktop icon with a text editor... awesome [21:07] yup working [21:08] I have installed in your browser midori Lubuntu But bookmarks are not in order, is it possible? [21:11] there are a lot of languages in that .desktop file, is that perhaps to prevent that icon name would stay the same if the language of the environment would change? [21:11] giuseppe60: you mean you had some bookmarks in some other midori, then tried to import them into midori in lubuntu and they're messed up? [21:11] freeroute: yeppers [21:12] that's pretty smart [21:13] wxl, hello YES [21:14] giuseppe60: that's a good question. midori is not a standard part of lubuntu. i wonder if the problem might not be with midori's import feature. [21:15] wxl, chatting, I had recommended as chromium browser and midori [21:16] giuseppe60: again, it's not a standard part of lubuntu. you can use it, it's just standard. that being said, i've not had the experience with it. i would suggest trying #midori [21:17] wxl, OK === bittin is now known as win32bittin [21:49] installing lubuntu currently [21:49] is it normal that it gets stuck on ~90% of installing system? [21:50] wait 5 min [21:50] progress bar hasn't moved for close to two hours [21:50] thats bad [21:50] this is the third time I try to install [21:50] stops in the same position [21:50] but [21:50] is it an old hard disk [21:51] ? [21:51] today I read that while configuring dpkg, it may take up to 90 minutes [21:51] new SD [21:51] well there you go [21:51] it's not dpkg [21:54] I wonder if it will complete or not [21:54] why would it complete? [21:55] it's some hardware problem [21:55] you might google the model of your SD [21:55] see if anything comes up [21:56] although i can't think what exactly would be the problem [21:58] load is still high [21:58] so it does something [21:59] what's load? [21:59] load average [21:59] i don't know how you see that [22:00] in the console? [22:01] anliot, open terminal [22:01] and type command: uptime [22:01] or you can just type: w [22:01]