=== ts2 is now known as tsimpson [13:23] <`marianne`> hello! [19:52] hi `marianne` [19:52] * AlanBell always likes to be reminded where to find the backtick key [20:00] AlanBell: it's AltGr+µ (on a Belgian keyboard) :P [20:08] its unshift ~ on a US keyboard [20:58] unshifted ¬ on mine [21:20] AlanBell: why is that even a main key on your layout? [21:20] how many people REALLY do ...whatever kind of math that is.. frequently enough to warrant that? [21:20] because I am a crazy brit [21:21] set negation operator or something I think [21:22] nope, just logical "NOT" [21:22] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negation [21:23] when is it *used* for logical not outside of set theory? [21:23] programmers use ! [21:23] normal people type the word "not" [21:23] * AlanBell has ¬ever used it [21:24] its like having the upside U for intersection on the keyboard. some maths professor somewhere is happy, and everyone else is confused [21:50] maco: I guess it reflects what people were using computers in the early 1980s... [21:51] american keyboards on computers almost completely match typewriters, with one exception: 1 and l are two different keys [21:51] eh [21:52] maco: my parents have an ancient American typewriter, which has separate 1 & l :P [21:53] an "Underwood" machine [21:53] oh, mine just has an l key [21:53] IIRC [21:54] maybe also depends on how old it is [21:55] mine's late 80s [21:55] i think [21:57] maco: eh, late 1880s or 1980s ? ;) [21:57] 1980s :P [21:58] the machine I'm talking about is definately closer to 100 yo than 30 yo :P [22:00] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/The_Childrens_Museum_of_Indianapolis_-_Typewriter.jpg --> this looks more or less like it [22:03] yeah, mine's electric [22:03] actually, it seems like many of their models lack a "1" key indeed [22:05] I thought it had a "1" key, maybe I should re-check, but I don't remember lacking it [22:05] or maybe they had different models outside the US