[12:51] <khoover> hey guys, looking to set up an ssh tunnel over the net from my natty laptop to my vista home computer, for when i'm in uni. Mostly for gaming purposes. Just want the GUI, sound, and input passed along to my laptop, and there shouldn't be visual indicators of anything running on the home computer
[13:44] <DarwinSurvivor> khoover: windows does not support SSH
[13:45] <DarwinSurvivor> do you have another linux machine at home you can use for the tunel?
[13:45] <DarwinSurvivor> btw, gaming over a remote connection will be VERY slow!
[13:47] <DarwinSurvivor> What I would recommend (though not for fast-paced gaming) would be to ssh into a linux machine at home, then use port forwarding (ssh -L) to make your remote desktop to the vista machine secure
[13:47] <DarwinSurvivor> that way only the ssh port of the linux machine is exposed and the windows machine remains 100% hidden
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[19:36] <BotenAnna> grr i just installed ubuntu on my new laptop in a dual boot configuration and grub isn't coming up at all :(
[19:40] <dscassel> BotenAnna: Love to help, but I'm a little swamped with work.
[19:40] <dscassel> Have you asked #ubuntu?
[19:41] <BotenAnna> im trying some wiki stuff :3
[19:43] <BobJonkman> BotenAnna: I had to deal with grub problems last night.
[19:44] <BobJonkman> What's happening on your laptop?
[19:44] <BotenAnna> ohhhhhhhh i wonder if it's an efi thing
[19:44] <BotenAnna> "The boot of your PC is in EFI mode, but no EFI partition was detected."
[19:44]  * BobJonkman does not know from efi (yet)
[19:44] <BotenAnna> yeah this is new for me too lol
[19:45] <BotenAnna> ok so that's what that weird 1GB partition is
[19:46] <BotenAnna> someone posted my exact situation on the buntu forums 15 hours ago with no response yet lol
[19:46] <BotenAnna> *ubuntu
[20:02] <khoover> DarwinSurvivor, dammit
[20:04] <DarwinSurvivor> unless you set up a full-fledget VNC connection, windows can really only share stuff via remote-desktop. It's actually pretty much useless for remote connections
[20:05] <DarwinSurvivor> other than gaming, what where you thinking of using the connection for?
[20:05] <DarwinSurvivor> and most importantly: what is the *upload* speed of your home internet connection?
[20:07] <BotenAnna> gaming over remote desktop is a pretty lol idea
[20:08] <DarwinSurvivor> well, some games (monopoly, chess, etc) might work fine, but nothing that requires more than about 5-10fps on a FAST connection
[21:34] <khoover> DarwinSurvivor, something around 7Mbps. and i see...
[21:46] <DarwinSurvivor> khoover: that's probably your download speed, it's the *upload* speed that will kill you in remote-desktop situations
[21:46] <khoover> no, that was upload
[21:46] <DarwinSurvivor> if there is another linux machine (even a small laptop or something), you can easily set up remote-desktop to the vista machine through it using an ssh tunnel
[21:47] <DarwinSurvivor> wow, I get like half a megabit upload :(
[21:47] <DarwinSurvivor> that's your HOME upload speed?!?
[21:48] <khoover> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1758638151.png yeah
[21:49] <khoover> http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest#.TzGcU0bQiwo.google and for verification
[21:49] <khoover> ...maybe not the second
[21:50] <DarwinSurvivor> wow, lucky you!
[21:51] <bregma> funny, my upload speed is about .7 MB/s
[21:51] <khoover> I guess. XP how about the VNC connection, then?
[21:52] <bregma> why not an RDP connection?
[21:52] <DarwinSurvivor> vnc will set up a virtual network between multiple machines, that's fairly complicated and probably not what you need (that's for file sharing, etc)
[21:52] <DarwinSurvivor> remote-desktop (RDP) simply lets you control the screen of the windows machine
[21:53] <DarwinSurvivor> you can NOT do this in the background. It is an artificial limitation from Microsoft because non-corporate windows installations are only allowed to have 1 user at a time, so the remote user has to share with the one sitting at the desk
[21:54] <DarwinSurvivor> bregma: MegaBytes?!?
[21:54] <DarwinSurvivor> that puts you at the same as khoover
[21:54] <bregma> that's 0.7, in case you missed the decimal point
[21:54] <DarwinSurvivor> I get 0.33kbps (bits, not bytes)
[21:55] <khoover> yeah, see, that's not going to work. cause my parents are going to shit bricks when they see the screen doing shit on its own
[21:56] <khoover> although...if i use it in the middle of the day, shouldn't be too bad.
[21:56] <DarwinSurvivor> khoover: or just leave the monitor turned off...
[21:56] <khoover> DarwinSurvivor, my worry is when they turn the monitor on.
[21:57] <DarwinSurvivor> khoover: well, as per Microsofts 1-user rule, you and your parents can not be logged in simultaneously, so you'd have to work something out with them
[21:57] <DarwinSurvivor> good lord, my service provider doesn't even HAVE a plan over 3mbs upload....
[21:58] <khoover> ehhhhhh...I guess. suppose even rdp would rule out online games. and sucks.
[21:59] <khoover> just got fibre-to-the-home here, i think.
[21:59] <khoover> hence why speeds are up nicely
[22:00] <DarwinSurvivor> oh, wait, no, shaw does have up to 15Mbps uploads. Cheapest 5mbps is 100/5 for 84.90! good grief
[22:00] <DarwinSurvivor> khoover: what games are you trying to play?
[22:01] <khoover> let's see...evil genius, old DK-like from '06. Possibly dragon nest (MMORPG, action based). Anno 2070. and maaaaaaaaaaybe MapleStory...
[22:02] <khoover> would be for Adobe's CS5.5 too. which'll be a whole other can of worms.
[22:06] <DarwinSurvivor> well try a remote connection first. rdesktop should do it.
[22:06] <khoover> wait, genii was here? O_O
[22:06] <DarwinSurvivor> if that's not fast enough, consider trying some of the applications in wine. failing that there's always virtualbox
[22:10] <DarwinSurvivor> NoCoffeeForYou :P
[22:11] <khoover> welp, better head to the library.
[22:13] <DarwinSurvivor> alright, let us know if you need help with RDP
[23:07] <BotenAnna> http://askubuntu.com/questions/102350/how-do-i-dual-boot-ubuntu-11-10-and-windows-7-with-efi made an askubuntu with my problem :3
[23:23] <BobJonkman> khoover, DarwinSurvivor: VNC has an option to blank the remote screen, so no worries if the monitor gets turned on.  RDP turns off the remote screen by default; I don't know of a way to turn it on
[23:24] <BobJonkman> RDP allows access to the remote computer's files.  Ultra-VNC has a file transfer option http://uvnc.com
[23:44] <BotenAnna> wow the world of EFI is absolute madness
[23:44] <BotenAnna> i like, cannot find anything where i can conclusively say "yes! that! that is what i need to do!"
[23:45] <BotenAnna> with or without about 10,000 steps attached to it
[23:54] <DarwinSurvivor> BotenAnna: is it something specific to dual-boot or linux-on-efi in general?
[23:57] <BotenAnna> kind of both? I can't really figure out where to even begin. I have Windows 7 EFI booting, how do I get a menu at boot where I pick whether to boot Windows or Ubuntu
[23:57] <BotenAnna> I'm not even quite sure what I should be doing. The install didn't seem to do it so I guess I have to install something, but what? All the instructions for doing it manually that I've found are for 11.04