[00:05] [Jonathan Riddell] Kubuntu Status - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4531 [00:24] well, this is exciting [00:42] right, so Unity has improved since i last played with it [00:42] I might leave it if I can convince the display applet to pick up both monitors :) [00:43] I had to use xrandr on the commandl ine to make it work [00:47] mgdm: what video card? [00:48] popey: a Radeon of some description, one sec [00:48] ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) [00:48] one of those [00:50] i know nothing about ATI cards [00:50] managed to avoid them for years [00:50] i have a radeon with fglrx [00:51] it's fine, I've had to use xrandr to control it since Karmic, as previously the display applet locked X (and the bugs never really got answered) [00:51] they're much better value than geforce for windows use, and aren't crap anymore for linux, broadly speaking [00:51] I'm not entirely sure what driver I@m using [00:51] i mean, they're less functional than geforces, but not utterly crippled like they once were [00:51] I suspect I'm going to be preoccupied with making my magic trackpad work like it does in Lion [00:51] which appears to be the job of a pile of XML, oooh fun [00:52] I'm almost certain alt-tab isn't behaving as I recall, though [00:52] unless I'm going mildly insane [00:53] did something change? [00:53] you're the second person i've heard mention that [01:19] *stab* stupid error messages http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/February/2012-02-07-011806_565x140_scrot.png [01:21] haha, thats fun [01:24] :) === Hornet- is now known as Hornet === ts2 is now known as tsimpson [06:51] good morning [07:13] popey: Might fancy claiming your Windows Tax? http://no.more.racketware.info/news/hardware-software-bundling-crumbles-france [07:48] TheOpenSourcerer: hmm, all in french [07:48] http://non.aux.racketiciels.info/guide/index [07:58] oooh, Feb 20 for raspberry pi [08:05] i expect the first batch will sell out rather quickly [08:06] yeah [08:13] Morning [08:13] Aloha [08:14] Hi czajkowski how are you? [08:14] great :) [08:16] \o/ [08:25] :D [08:40] Morning [08:43] ooooh raspberry pi..... Want' one of those for my house sensor net display \o/ [08:49] Morning all [08:53] o/ [08:53] daubers: broadcom have released some technical info re the peripherals on the board http://dmkenr5gtnd8f.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf [08:53] danfish: I saw :) Tempting to use one for a small robotics project I have now [08:55] resurecting your idea of a robot army to enslave mankind? [08:56] danfish: Of course :) [09:05] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Global Jam: Call For Events! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/07/ubuntu-global-jam-call-for-events-2/ [09:30] Can anyone recommend a decent postgres book? [09:30] no [09:31] hah [09:31] Daviey: Ta :p [09:32] * popey hugs Daviey [09:32] Maybe I should remove the qualifier "decent" from that statement? [09:33] hmmh, just been asked to go and visit Finland [09:34] DJones: The country where you want to be, pony trekking or camping? or just watching TV? [09:36] daubers: A friend moved there last year, looking at the photo's he puts on facebook, it looks a lovely place, although a bit deep in snow now [09:42] * dwatkins tries to find Three's definition of "unlimited" [09:43] dwatkins: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8792095/Three-gives-all-mobile-customers-unlimited-data.html [09:44] thanks DJones :) [09:45] 13 quid for unlimited data on a SIM-only deal [09:45] Reading that, it sounds like "unlimited" does mean no limit at all [09:45] Yeah, I'm quite surprised, as there's normally a fair usage policy. [09:47] Cool, that is very coincidental considering what O2 have done to me recently: https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/iNdj2jCQDCV [09:48] We use O2 at work also. My colleague discovered his bill one month was huge as he'd been streaming radio stations, and our data plan is immensely expensive. [09:49] I will take them for whatever I can until June then dump them. They didn't like my post and tweets so have just asked to look into my situation ;-) [09:49] they contacted you because of your tweets to say they will look into it, TheOpenSourcerer? [09:50] Yeah [09:50] how can this be avoided? negoitiate contracts via email? [09:50] dwatkins: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/broadband/363712/3-breaks-ranks-with-unlimited-mobile-data Has a line "Three told us that the new offer did not include a Fair Usage Policy [09:50] DJones: outstanding :D [09:50] i am due to finish contract in april and would like to go sim only but retain my 3GB allowance with T-mob [09:50] oimon: I've never managed to get to talk about contracts via e-mail, it's always over the phone [09:51] i guess i could record the calls too [09:51] yeah, although you might legally have to warn them of this at the start [09:51] That Three offer does seem tempting [09:51] "Hello, I'd like to buy a phone contract, please note this call may be recorded...." :D [09:52] I wonder if Three might reduce your allowed bandwidth if you use a lot of data, though. [09:52] I asked O2 to go and listen to their call recording as I remember clearly asking the woman about my data allowance. They couldn't find it... [09:53] TheOpenSourcerer: yeah, they often just say they might record the calls etc. [09:53] W*&^%$£^&* [09:53] or can't be bothered to sift through them all [09:53] quite [09:57] or they dont keep them === diplo- is now known as diplo [10:02] dwatkins: no, as long as one person knows its being recorded, it's OK [10:02] oimon: oh ok, so I could call you and record the conversation without telling you, so long as I was aware? [10:03] dwatkins: yes, in the UK it is allowed [10:03] although i used to tell virgin to get a reaction. they often hung up [10:05] haha [10:06] I sometimes check the recordings from our callcentre for accuracy etc. in case someone needs more training or something [10:06] astounded that notification is not required. http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archive/oftel/consumer/advice/faqs/prvfaq3.htm is the relevant summary here. [10:06] You listen for a laugh? [10:07] bigcalm: it is sometimes amusing [10:08] :) [10:08] We record all phone calls at work in case anybody disputes what has been said [10:11] aquarius: i think it's a good law :) then you can assume all calls are recorded [10:12] I'm glad you think it's a good law, Big Brother ;-) [10:12] I imagine Echelon has the potential to record everything we say on the phone. [10:12] who reported that guy's marilyn monroe twitter message to the US ? [10:12] aquarius: only if boig brother is one of the people on the call :) [10:13] a third party is not allowed to record (unless they are the govt it seems) [10:15] good morning everyone. [10:15] yeah, the Man is allowed. :) [10:17] I assume they would need a court order/warrant to do so, i.e. probable cause. [10:17] dwatkins: naaah [10:17] oh dear, that's scary [10:18] it wouldn't be hard to scan every single txt message for trigger words since most txts are sent/received through mobile provider message centres [10:18] they need a warrant [10:19] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2012-February/013242.html [10:19] oimon: I assume they already do that [10:20] * dwatkins is reminded of Mark Thomas taking a balloon ride over Menworth Hill and calling his mum to talk about sensitive topics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwHRrb5G-QI [10:20] and scanning texts for trigger words is "access to the content of a communication", which is warrant-required too... although I don't know whether they've invoked the whole "it's only a computer reading it, not a person"... [10:21] gord: do you use your fingerprint reader? [10:22] i have a colleague who occasionally sends very unreasonable emails to me. i suspect he is sending them while drunk - any advice? ignore? complain? reply? [10:23] define 'unreasonable' [10:23] oimon: ask if they really meant it the next day by walking up and talking to them quietly? [10:24] well, they often claim I never said something that i told them about, or say rather rudely that i should have done something quicker (although i turned around a 1hr job within a day), and other things that I can easily support with evidence, suggesting he/she is either forgetful or under the influence [10:24] popey, nah, in windows i do, not linux. you can hook it up and it will log you in, but not unlock your keyring which makes the whole thing kinda pointless [10:25] bummer [10:25] might be good for lock screens though i guess? [10:25] give will cooke a poke, he got his working [10:25] entering into an argument about these things could be a bit petty. i haven't replied to support my case (yet). maybe it's best to swallow my pride and leave it. [10:50] would applecare fix a crack in a screen? [10:50] or is that not covered. [10:51] go ask an apple store probably [10:52] that's the problem. have to travel all the way into central london :-\ [10:55] phone them up? [10:56] have heard some g ood things about applecare going the extra mile [10:57] course saying that i'm sure others have heard bad things ;) [10:58] i had some ubuntu swag delivered this morning, but was in the bath, and have to sign for it, so i need to visit the main post office before my drum lesson. [10:59] yeah, i had good experience with applecare [11:00] thats what i was hoping to hear. it's my sisters machine, but her husband is a good negotiator, so hopefully it will work out. it's only 3 months old and doesn't know how the crack appeared [11:00] i'll suggest he goes down there [11:00] brobostigon: what did you buy? tshirt? [11:01] morning all [11:01] oimon: keyring, and lanyard, [11:01] czajkowski: prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, all in the same place :P [11:02] brobostigon: item £1 , p&P £5? [11:02] that was a very cold meeting [11:02] davmor2: BOOOOOOO [11:02] oimon: it came to about £7 in total. [11:03] czajkowski: prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, all in the same place :P [11:03] good guess then! [11:04] oimon: both for me, i broke my key chain over the weekend. and wanted something different. [11:07] * directhex moos. moo [11:08] moo [11:08] moo [11:08] moo [11:08] i wonder how the news about kubuntu's paid developer will affect kubuntu [11:08] also! New package from hong kong arrived today \o/ https://twitter.com/#!/daubers/status/166839703012777984/photo/1 [11:08] doesn't seem to affect xubuntu which is a decent community distro [11:08] brobostigon: http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/02/press-to-open-keyring-just-blew-my-mind-and-saved-my-fingernails/ [11:09] http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/02/canonical-ending-support-for-kubuntu-reassigning-lead-developer-1.ars [11:10] occupy64k: yes, that news [11:10] dwatkins: interesting idea. [11:12] If, in Unity, I have a terminal open and I want another - how do I do that? [11:12] mgdm: middle click [11:13] shift+ctrl+t [11:13] oimon: nonobvious, but fair enough [11:13] bigcalm: not what I wanted [11:13] Ok [11:13] my biggest annoyance with unity is that it doesn't have the docky behaviour that i can then right click on the terminal icon in the launcher and get a list of open windows (handy with 50 open) [11:14] That's surprising, I would have thought that should be exactly what it should do (list windows) [11:14] write a patch to your favourite terminal to put its windows in its quicklist [11:15] gord: reckon that's an easy job? [11:15] depends on the software [11:15] if you do it for terminator I'll buy you a pint :P [11:15] it's a showstopper for me using unity, since i don't get on with terminator or tabs (or screen) [11:15] if it has easy access to its entire window list for example [11:15] gord: docky knows how to do it though [11:16] i've spoken to a few people who tried to change their way of working when switching to gnome 3 and have the same problem [11:17] docky does, because it does application matching, like unity does (they actually use a library we wrote) - however you are quickly straying out of easy [11:18] I think each terminator window will be a separate process, though maybe I'm wrong [11:19] in the meantime i could make docky my default dock and launcher only appear on super press [11:20] thereby reducing unity launcher to a glorified gnome-do [11:25] by using ubuntu you are not contractually obligated to use the stock system ;) go ahead [11:27] ubuntu precise and debian sid, contain the same gnome-shell version. [11:29] I forgot about that Broadway thing [11:29] that's quite insane [11:29] accept for in debian, it has packages for more platforms, [11:37] hmm [11:37] so closing Pidgin's contact list kills the app [11:37] that's new [11:38] brobostigon: using gnome shell, are your notifications at the bottom? [11:38] oimon: yes, generally. [11:38] know how to move them? i want a dock there [11:38] oimon: no idea, i have seen no need to find out. [11:39] oimon: look on extensions.gnome.org [11:41] popey: no joy [11:42] oimon: there's talk of a forthcoming version having their location be configurable [11:42] it doesn't seem that common . maybe digging around with the conftool might work [11:42] BigRedS: ah, cool [11:42] but, in a gnomey sort of way, I think they're just pondering letting you put them also in one other place, and it's a bottom corner IIRC [11:43] I'm getting round it (badly) by generally having things put their tabs at the bottom, so teh notifications probably don't cover up anything I'm looking at [11:44] all those notification cover here, that is alittle annoying, is the bottom of byobu. [11:44] all these new desktops are one big workaround for me [11:45] brobostigon: yeah, it's exactly that which I wanted to fix - mid-command getting jabber popups isn't great [11:45] oimon: I'm still trying to find the problem that they solve. Though Gnome3 does seem to be pretty-nice-with-some-silly-ideas rather than all bad [11:45] unity seemed even better until I tried to do any work in it :( [11:46] BigRedS: agreed, true, only things i have now that show popups, is NM, and tomboy, so dont get anything very often. [11:46] i have irc, IM and email too [11:47] my IM is in bitlbee, so that part of notifications show in irssi, and irssi, well, irc, and for my email. i use gmail's web interface. [11:48] what happens when i type brobostigon while yo are in another desktop/window? [11:48] other than mobile, which is with k9. [11:48] oimon: i get nothing. untill i see the highlight inside irssi. [11:49] my other problem is what happens if someone pings me overnight? after the OSD appears in ubuntu, i don't see it again [11:49] yeah, I think that's completely retarded [11:49] xchat seems to only scroll back to 8.56pm yesreday [11:50] both Unity and Gnome3 seem to feel that if you're not looking at the monitor when something happened you don't really care whether it happened or not [11:50] yeah [11:51] we can't be the only ones with these issues [11:51] i agree, that is an issue. [11:51] No - they're why I bought a Gnome 3 t-shirt at fosdem, to annoy everyone else at work :) [11:52] but the notifications do stay there, untill you are ready to deal with them, you dont just get it, and it goes away. [11:53] oimon, your messaging indicator will glow [11:53] thats kinda the point [11:53] not sure i have one of those gord [11:53] oimon, envelope in the top right [11:53] nope [11:53] im on 10.04 [11:53] oh geez, upgrade [11:53] it is a speech bubble here. [11:53] i'm waiting for another LTS :D [11:54] i can't remember that far back [11:54] gnome-shell 3.2.2.1 [11:54] are things even purple in 10.04? [11:54] https://code.launchpad.net/recent-notifications [11:54] gord: i don't know. i've been running this setup for 2 yrs. the only thing still purple is pidgin. i have about 50 ppas though [11:55] oimon, doesn't that ruin the security and stability an lts provides? [11:55] Ah, so unity does have that indicator? [11:55] gnome2+docky has served me well. [11:55] lunchtime, :) [11:55] If I can beat my brain into working with unity's focus model I might end up switching my ubuntu pc back [11:56] startup disk creator asks for my password 3 times during the usb creation process. it's like using vista :D [11:56] It feels really like it's designed to be used with only a single workspace and that's not how I think [11:56] oimon: increase the length of the scroll back or goto ~/.xchat and open the channel in logs and find it there [11:57] davmor2: thanks. i'll try. it's a workaround rather than solution though .. [11:58] the real problem is that xchat doesn't have infinite scrollback like it should [11:59] oimon: the other solution is to write a script that just captures pings if there isn't one already check the xchat site for a script [11:59] oimon: or maybe a plugin too [12:01] but gord, searching back 24 hours in a busy room looking for red text? surely the real problem is that past notifications should be easily accessible, especially those accumulated screen saver is active [12:01] get a better irc client [12:01] irssi with a separate hilight window ftw [12:01] or add a script to send hilights to an external machine [12:02] oimon, /lastlog oimon [12:03] :D yay, thanks [12:03] * BigRedS just abandoned his Xchat experiment [12:04] tail the text file this generates, perhaps? http://thorstenl.blogspot.com/2007/01/thls-irssi-notification-script.html [12:04] BigRedS: http://www.coredumb.net/index.php?n=Scripts.XchatHighlightsCollector found this [12:06] oimon: yeah, there's a few reasons for it; generally I'm sshd into my server anyway, so screening's no issue, and I got annoyed with not being in the right channels on every machine [12:06] I do need to spend a bit of time configuring irssi though [12:07] popey: is oggcamp 12 happening? (and does it have a date?) [12:08] popey, what was that screen recording application? sparkle or something? [12:10] kazam [12:10] oimon: dunno, no [12:10] ah, i knew it was something like that [12:10] ta [12:10] np [12:10] ok, cheers [12:10] i was enticed by the topc [12:10] oimon: it's oggcamp 100! [12:22] colours went weird :( [12:25] had a brainblock. the word gauge looks weird :-\ [12:25] isn't it pronounced gayj ? [12:25] yeah [12:26] looks wrong [12:26] you really can't expect to derive pronounciation of words from their spellings [12:26] just be pleased when you can :) [12:26] you don't pronounce it gau-gee? [12:27] English is jam-packed full of pronounciation inconsistencies. [12:29] it packed full of all sorts of inconsistencies [12:30] teaching my five year old some at the mo, it's proving difficult to explain why some things are pronounced the way they are :) [12:30] I learnt most of my pronounciation by reading [12:30] "Leicester" and "Chiswick" are interesting examples. [12:30] that wasn't the best way, I think [12:31] I know someone who insists on mispronouncing certain words such as 'decal', and gets 'slash' and 'dash' the wrong way around. It's difficult to have a technical conversation like that. [12:31] how do you pronounce decal? i always pronounce it "transfer" [12:31] how do you get slash and dash the wrong way round? [12:31] oimon: I use 'sticker' [12:32] oimon: heh [12:32] http://www.etsy.com/listing/67422766/app-circles-crop-circles-mac-decal [12:32] is it an americanism? [12:32] I doubt it [12:32] BigRedS: I don't know, but she just says it doesn't matter, since I know she gets them the wrong way around [12:32] it's what Airfix call the stickers [12:33] well, depends on your definition of 'americanism', since most americanisms are just elizabethan English [12:33] * BigRedS curses bash and it's whitespace rules [12:34] mgdm: i still build airfix, but scall them transfers still [12:34] as i did as a boy [12:34] http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/books/bro-code/7143441.html [12:35] what to give your single mate on valentines day [12:36] my son pronounces "Remote control" as "camote controle" which is quite sweet [12:37] my brother called it "the moke" for ages, which is probably just a poor reflection on the eloquence of the rest of us [12:38] we call them all generically 'frank' [12:38] "can you pass frank?" [12:38] as in Frank Zappa [12:38] heh [12:38] haha [12:41] i feel sad when my son learns how to say words properly. he used to call button moon "foo". he still calls playgroup "playloop" which is sweet. he can say dalmatian and golden retriever but can't say banana properly. [12:41] laptop and phone were early words in his vocab [12:42] Hello guys. I think i've noticed that UbuntuOne works much better in ubuntu 11 than in ubuntu 10. Is there any way I can force the installation of ubuntuOne for 11 in my ubuntu 10 system?? [12:42] Josssse: That sounds like it'll cause more problems, than solutions. [12:43] Josssse: there is neither a ubuntu 11 or a ubunti 10; there's 10.04, 10.10, 11.04 and 11.10 (it's of release). But, generally, you'll introduce more problems than you'll solve [12:43] why not upgrade teh system? [12:43] the whole system, rather [12:43] i also get a lot of problems on my 10.04 with u1 [12:43] BigRedS, I did but didn't like the new WM... so went back to LTS. [12:44] hi [12:44] Josssse: ahhh [12:45] jpds, nothing is being syncronized... the time i used 11.04( BigRedS ) it worked very nicely. [12:45] Josssse: You know you can still use classic GNOME on 11.04 ? [12:45] Josssse: what's better about the 11.x one? It might be something that' sjust not default in 10.x [12:46] jpds, I did not know that, Can I do it mantaining the actual look of my screen? [12:46] my stuff never syncs unless i kill the client and restart it manually in LTS [12:46] Josssse: Probably. [12:46] BigRedS, I don't know, Even the cofig apps is much better. [12:47] jpds, So I just install 11.04 and apt-get gnome? [12:48] Josssse: gnome-panel, I believe. [12:49] Ok awesome. jpds. I also remarked that 11.04 is much slower, could that be solved by using gnome?? [12:50] Josssse: Only one way to find out. [12:50] hehe, you're right. [12:51] Who likes the new WM anyway? what's its name? [12:51] Unity? [12:51] Several people do [12:51] I do. [12:51] Hi there [12:51] I've a few annoyances with it, but no more than I had with old Gnome or have with new gnome. Just different ones [12:52] Josssse: o/ [12:52] My contact list in Empathy disappeared - it's not showing even though I'm connected [12:52] Any ideas? [12:53] d3ngar: just to check - you've not hit a letter and inadvertently started a search of your contacts, causing it to hide all those not matching? [12:53] I've done that maaany times [12:53] I don't get it. I have no annoyances with gnome. I couldn't stand the unity from the start... even had pretty slow alt+F2... [12:54] BigRedS: Sorry, I didn't [12:54] aw, dammit [12:54] that would've been nice and easy [12:54] I actually uninstalled, installed, installed from PPA, removed the PPA and installed the default [12:54] I've no idea then, that's normally why mine disappear [12:54] It's frustrating [12:56] Well. I have to go teach. Thanks for the chat guys. [12:56] Josssse: Have you tried 11.10? [12:57] jpds, I don't think so, why? [12:57] or even XFCE in ubuntu 11.10, which is done quite nicely and similar to gnome2 [12:57] Josssse: Because it'll have improvements on Unity. [12:57] s/'ll have/has/ [12:57] jpds, Ill check it out and let you guys know what I think. [12:58] Thanks and bye!! [13:23] how do I log out of ubuntu [13:23] i normally click on my name in the top corner but its gone [13:24] zleap: click on the symbol in the top right [13:24] zleap: Logout or shutdown? [13:24] it isn;t there [13:24] alli have in the top right is the date and time [13:24] To shutdown, you can do "sudo shutdown -h now" in a terminal [13:24] ok [13:25] just wondered what happened to that symbol though [13:25] I will keep an eye on this see if I can figure out when it goes and what may cause it [13:35] opinion guys... 48u freestanding cabinet with patch panels + cables, second hand, £250 [13:35] CaMason: do you have a use for it? [13:36] not hugely.. we're moving into an office with 48 drops, but only 4 people with 1 server + switch. Even if I scale up to 12 people, I can see us uing even half of it [13:36] I have a 6u wall cabinet at the moment [13:37] CaMason: you buying or selling? [13:37] buying - it was offered to me by the outgoing tenants [13:38] it would need patching up as the cables currently drop into another room [13:42] CaMason: wait until Friday afternoon then offer them £150 cash [13:42] I was thinking £150 or not to bother [13:46] Oi, X, stop turning my primary monitor off [13:47] * bigcalm returns [13:47] Anybody miss me? [13:47] * popey runs up to bigcalm and hugs him [13:47] you're BACK! [13:47] \o/ [13:47] BARK BARK BARK BARK bigcalm BARK BARK BARK [13:47] I am! [13:47] o.O [13:48] ! [13:48] Down, boy [13:48] bigcalm: you've got a nerve showing up here after all that time away [13:48] think someone needs to get spayed... [13:48] bigcalm: p.s. when did you go? [13:50] Hayley had forgotten her engagement ring so I intended to take it to her at lunch. Got there and forgot to pick up the ring :D [13:50] <- clutz [13:50] ^ yes [13:50] :P [13:51] I'm glad I'm not the only one who does things like that, bigcalm ;) [13:51] Ah well. We enjoyed a coffee together and I had a toasted sausage and caramelised onion sandwich at the M&S cafe [13:51] bigcalm: You Plonker [13:52] Yes, Dellboy [13:53] a toasted sausage? [13:53] _and_ a caremlised onion sandwich? [13:53] you could totally have put those together [13:54] Both within the same one [13:54] * popey is being silly [13:54] A friend of mine worked in a lab doing chemistry-related stuff, entry was controlled by cards and everyone was vetted; she left her engagement ring on her desk to cross the road to the shop as that area of town isn't the best, and it had gone when she returned - the cleaner never returned to work :-/ [13:54] popey: that's what I said to them [13:54] tl;dr - Detroit sucks [13:54] :( [13:55] worse, it was an heirloom [13:55] now there's a word with confusing pronounciation :) [13:55] dwatkins: somebody was nicking the sysadmin munchies supply (and £20 from my drawer) so we set up motion detection and caught the cleaner red-handed [13:55] 5am ...camera wakes up and cleaner is having a good old chow down [13:55] oimon: we used motion detection when I was at SGI to discover that the security guard was the one breaking the heads off the little penguins we each had on our desks [13:56] dwatkins: the swine [13:56] :O [13:56] IRIX SecurityLite and an O2 with a camera [13:56] oimon: indeed, those poor little penguins :( [13:56] were they tux penguins? [13:56]