[01:22] <MarkDude> dragon ping
[03:25] <Darkwing> How nice.
[03:25] <Darkwing> No more Kubuntu CDs
[03:28] <nhaines> Darkwing: well, it *is* the end of the cycle.
[03:31] <Darkwing> No, like ever.
[03:32] <Darkwing> Canonical dropping commercial support for Kubuntu. Our paid developers are being reassigned too.
[03:35] <philipballew> just kubuntu or xubuntu and other versions as well?
[03:35] <Darkwing> Well, xubuntu never had it. It was an approved flavor.
[03:35] <philipballew> thats right...
[03:35] <philipballew> my bad
[03:35] <Darkwing> Kubuntu is still an approved flavor.
[03:35] <philipballew> I wonder what made the support drop
[03:36] <Darkwing> It wasn't making money...
[03:37] <philipballew> Understandable I guess. but is Ubuntu though
[03:37]  * Darkwing shrugs
[03:38] <Darkwing> We in Kubuntu are trying to figure out if we can survive without two devels
[03:39] <philipballew> the community's gonna have to recruit and step it up I guess.
[03:40] <Darkwing> :)
[03:40]  * philipballew believes in Darkwing 
[03:46] <akk> Does the rest of Ubuntu make money? (Silly question, I know.)
[03:47] <nhaines> akk: as I understand, Canonical has been just under "break even" for a few years now.
[04:11] <pleia2> Darkwing: gah, shame you got this news *after* committing to a 5 year LTS
[04:12] <pleia2> (Xubuntu is only doing a 3 year)
[04:21] <philipballew> with all these support issues with ubuntu i think I might have to switch back to my old distro of Hannah Montana Linux.
[04:22] <Darkwing> lol
[04:23] <philipballew> before that I was using biebian
[04:23] <philipballew> http://biebian.sourceforge.net/
[06:20] <dragon> MarkDude: pong!
[06:32] <philipballew> What was the name of Ubuntu before It was called Ubuntu?
[06:32] <philipballew> it slipped my mind
[06:38] <kdub_> wow, we have an offtopic channel now? :P
[06:39] <pleia2> have had for over a year
[06:43] <philipballew> noone really uses it though :(
[06:43] <kdub_> guess i've just noticed it now
[06:43] <pleia2> philipballew: no-name-yet
[06:43] <philipballew> thats right
[06:43] <pleia2> (they had no-name-yet.com)
[06:44] <pleia2> and apparently mdz still does
[06:45] <philipballew> Project no name. I was on like mandrake or something then...
[06:47] <kdub_> what's project no-name-yet?
[06:48] <pleia2> the name of ubuntu before it was called ubuntu
[06:48] <philipballew> apparently its what ubuntu was.
[06:48] <philipballew> this is going to help my new twitter account i created
[06:49] <philipballew> https://twitter.com/#!/linuxhipster
[06:55] <pleia2> s/to/too
[17:11] <philipballew> Can someone help me add 3 events to the loco list for ubuntu hours? or give me a pointer of where to?
[19:13] <broder> pleia2: you don't need rsvps for dinner tomorrow, right?
[19:23] <nhaines> broder: it would still be nice to have them, although the restaurant isn't taking them (last I heard).
[20:19] <raevol> hey did anybody who got an openstack ubuntu thumb drive at scale try formatting it? did anyone else's bork when they did?
[20:42] <raevol> yea, i think mine is just dead :( trash time
[21:23] <nhaines> raevol: yes.
[21:24] <nhaines> Oh fun, looks like Launcher autohide is going to be off by default in Ubuntu 12.04.
[21:24] <nhaines> Despite this being really trivial to adjust I predict massive nerdrage.
[21:34] <akk> The way it hides now is actually kind of annoying
[21:34] <akk> but that's implementation, not an indictment of autohide in general
[21:47] <kdub__> its hard to get autohide right
[21:47] <nhaines> akk: I like the way it hides.  I'm not a super big fan of it in 12.04 at the moment, but they haven't done tweaking yet.
[21:47] <kdub__> because its somewhat of a mouse gesture based thing, and people like different gestures
[21:48] <akk> It's mostly that it's super confusing how sometimes you can't get rid of it (because you put a window against the left edge of the screen, or something)
[21:48] <akk> took a while to figure out the rule
[22:00] <kdub__> philipballew: do you have a date set for the SD ubuntu hour this month?
[22:05] <pleia2> broder: nah, I usually just make reservations for 8 and that' close enough
[22:05] <pleia2> nhaines: wrong dinner ;) sunday with linaro folks was w/o reservations, tomorrow is ubuntu hour + debian dinner
[22:08] <nhaines> pleia2: well maybe RSVPs for that would be nice too.  :)
[22:09] <pleia2> they were required for sunday
[22:34] <philipballew> kdub_, yeah. the tuesday after valentines. I was gonna shoot out an email this evening
[22:34] <philipballew> at a starbucks right by the 5 and 8
[22:35] <philipballew> i have to reinstall grub on some red hat box right now at work. Its kinda a pain
[22:36] <akk> Good excuse to switch over to extlinux. :)
[22:37] <philipballew> im using a knoppix live disk to do it. I dont mind fixing redhat linux. better then if i have to mess with xp...
[22:54] <philipballew> grub is annoying. you only care about it when you cant boot past it
[23:04] <Corey> Hey pleia2!
[23:04] <Corey> Are you the person I talk to about giving a talk at the Ubuntu group?
[23:05] <pleia2> Corey: we don't really have a place to give talks at, I'd suggest going to one of the many LUGs :)
[23:05] <pleia2> we meet for Ubuntu hours (casual, coffee and chat), global jams (collaborative hacking on things) and booths at events and thing
[23:05] <pleia2> s
[23:06] <Corey> pleia2: Urm... what was that regexp event you invited me to?
[23:06] <pleia2> Bay Area Linux Users Group (BALUG)
[23:06] <pleia2> and yeah, I am on their speaker coordinator list
[23:07] <pleia2> email me details of what you want to talk about and I'll get you sorted :)
[23:07] <Corey> pleia2: k!
[23:07] <pleia2> we're booked through March, but have an April spot open AFAIK
[23:07] <pleia2> yeah, 2012-04-17
[23:07] <pleia2> is free
[23:10] <Corey> pleia2: No reason I couldn't make that.
[23:10] <Corey> pleia2: Just let me know if I'm topical enough.
[23:13] <pleia2> forwarding to the other speaker coodinators, I'll let you know :)
[23:14] <Corey> pleia2: No worries.  Although May might be better.  My wife's show closes the night before.
[23:16] <pleia2> May would be fine if you're ok to plan out that far
[23:16] <pleia2> that would be may 15th
[23:20] <pleia2> well, emailed other coordinators, we can pick a date once they say it's good
[23:23] <Corey> pleia2: Yay,
[23:23] <Corey> Thanks for the footwork.
[23:24] <pleia2> Corey: what's your affiliation with the project, just use it?
[23:54] <Corey> pleia2: Right.  And if I can get a few obnoxious problems taken care of, I'll be the debian maintainer for it.
[23:54] <Corey> I've contributed code as well.
[23:59] <philipballew> How much different is one version of grub from the next?