[00:21] <artao> interesting
[00:22] <holstein> [lsd] is my go-to MIDI guy in #opensourcemusicians
[00:22] <artao> seems JACK does NOT get along with YouTube ... just had my browser open, and played a youtube link my brother had shared .. no audio .. so i stopped my studio in LADI, and Lo! I could hear the YouTube audio
[00:23] <artao> so when done, I went back to LADI to restart my studio, and JACK wouldn't start .. had re-load the webpage to cancel out the loaded YouTube ...
[00:23] <cfhowlett> artao: believe jack seized audio priority - or maybe it's a function of RT kernel.  at any rate, it prioritizes ubuntu audio builds over download streams
[00:25] <artao> righto. .. i got it sorted. t'was interesting z'all
[00:25] <artao> the subleties of linux audio
[00:25] <artao> ;)
[00:26] <holstein> we are working on having pulse route though JACK in 12.04 and on the live CD
[00:26] <holstein> we'll see
[00:26] <holstein> i personally could do without it
[00:26] <artao> it would be nice if audio just worked regardless what was trying to use it
[00:26] <holstein> sure
[00:26] <artao> not complaining, don't get me wrong
[00:26] <holstein> but, im OK with JACK only on my audio rig
[00:26] <artao> :D
[00:27] <holstein> some folks dont have separate boxes though
[00:27] <holstein> and shouldnt really have to
[00:27] <holstein> but, i sure prefer that
[00:27] <artao> ja
[00:27] <artao> i've got 3 now .. this here li'l ol' P2 400Mhz notebook -- for this and astronomy
[00:27] <artao> my old desktop, now relegated to media server
[00:28] <artao> and the new desktop, relegated workstation ... mostly CG but I like messin around with audio too
[00:28] <holstein> its good to have more non-audio folk around
[00:29] <holstein> i just dont have the gear, or the idea of how the workflow is supposed to be to realy test
[00:29] <artao> and i've got the workstation line-out to the media server so i can hear BOTH over my sound system simultaneously
[00:29] <artao> fair nuf
[00:29] <artao> u mean re: CG?
[00:30] <holstein> artao: well, non-audio in general really
[00:30] <holstein> im not that savvy with video or graphics
[00:30] <artao> I've got an old dual P200 with about 400M RAM that I'm trying to think of SOME reason to run .... ... can't come up with anything ;))
[00:30] <holstein> and we dont really have a "guy"
[00:30] <holstein> there are some folk on the mailing list
[00:30] <artao> fair nuf
[00:30] <holstein> artao: try crunchbang on it :)
[00:31] <holstein> ive been running crunchbang for a while now
[00:31] <artao> i can tell kinda that US is weightier on the audio end
[00:31] <artao> ??
[00:31] <holstein> i think its going to be benificial for me to learn more about ubuntu by running debian
[00:31] <holstein> running debian and trying not to break it, and learning about how it works
[00:32] <astraljava>  That's not the way.
[00:32] <artao> ah, u mean OS ... I mean I just can't think of a reason to actually run the old machine at all except for the geekiness of it
[00:32] <astraljava> You really _have_ to break it, to see how it works. :)
[00:32] <artao> sure
[00:32] <artao> makes sense
[00:32] <holstein> astraljava: hehe
[00:32] <astraljava> artao: Isn't the geekiness reason enough?
[00:32] <holstein> astraljava: im *almost* ready to do that :)
[00:33] <artao> long as ya don't break it so bad ya can't figure out how to fix it
[00:33] <holstein> artao: also, just a server install... something without X on it
[00:33] <artao> heh .. almost ... alllmost
[00:33] <holstein> an ssh server or whatever
[00:33] <astraljava> holstein: debian support channel is the shiznits, anyway
[00:33] <artao> but it's already pushin 78 degrees fahrenheit in here WITH
[00:33] <cfhowlett> painful way to learn but it does work
[00:33] <artao> WITHOUT my heat turned on!!!!
[00:33] <holstein> these are fun http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ and ubuntu based
[00:34] <artao> sure. file server. could do that
[00:35] <artao> oh! btw .. in the screensavers list is a bunch of greyed out ones that aren't installed .. how do i do so?
[00:35] <astraljava> Might be a problem. You kinda want a file server to have fast discs, but a box that old probably can't handle anything _fast_.
[00:35] <artao> exactly
[00:36] <artao> at least not modern fast
[00:36] <artao> it was a pretty damn good machine in its day
[00:36] <holstein> yeah... something to play around with samba on though, or whatever
[00:37] <cfhowlett> arrrgh!  Eternal Ubuntu Studio plugin for xscreensaver doesnt' seem to like my virtual US 11.10!
[00:37] <cfhowlett> http://parker1.co.uk/eternity/
[00:37] <artao> tyan tomcat iv MB .. good load of ram .. elsa gloria synergy 8M gfx card WITH video in and out (only under win 95/98)
[00:39] <artao> hmmm .. how do i determine if an app can use level 1 or if it has to use level 0 when starting it in LADI ??
[00:40] <holstein> ill have to look at ladi and see what thats all about these days
[00:40] <holstein> im just old school with my connections
[00:40] <astraljava> cfhowlett: virtual might have problems with screensavers, yes. Can't say anything about it at the moment, but could try it on my oneiric box tomorrow. Well, today, but not before I sleep a little.
[00:41] <cfhowlett> astraljava: ok.  I'll send the right links to you.  Very much appreciated.
[00:42]  * astraljava is watching Oilers @ Leafs, and after that Flames @ Ducks, before he gets some sleep. :)
[00:46] <cfhowlett> astraljava: on another topic, are the proposed US logo etched wallpapers on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialOneiric going to see the light of day?  They DO rock.
[00:47] <holstein> im not crazy about them
[00:47] <holstein> but, ill go with whatever
[00:47] <holstein> just not that cat head or whatever
[00:47] <astraljava> cfhowlett: I really don't know. You should talk to ScottL about artwork.
[00:48] <cfhowlett> astraljava: tyvm
[00:49] <astraljava> cfhowlett: No worries. Glad to see more traffic in here. :)
[00:49] <holstein> yeah... this is great!
[00:50] <cfhowlett> Eternal Studio & Eternal Ubuntu Screensaver
[00:50] <cfhowlett> http://parker1.co.uk/eternity/xscreensaver.php
[00:50] <holstein> yup
[00:50] <holstein> cfhowlett: i like those alright
[00:50] <holstein> i was saying i wish it had a little more attitude
[00:50] <holstein> but i think it fits the five best so far
[00:50] <holstein> though, i dont want a screensaver
[00:51] <cfhowlett> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7001421/Eternal%20Studio%20Screensaver.zip
[00:51] <holstein> i dont want something automatically coming on taking resouces 20 minutes into any audio task
[00:51] <holstein> cfhowlett: is that yours?
[00:51] <cfhowlett> holstein: I wish!  Garry Parker did those
[00:51] <holstein> cool
[00:52] <cfhowlett> I've been using it since he issued them and hoped to continue wiith 12.04
[00:52] <holstein> sure... no reason why you cant :)
[00:52] <holstein> no matter what we do
[00:52] <holstein> anyways.. i gotta run home... BBL
[00:52] <cfhowlett> Just need them tested on a real machine since my virtual box doesn't like them
[00:52] <holstein> cfhowlett: yeah, we can do that
[00:52] <cfhowlett> :)
[00:53] <holstein> i can test them on precise or whatever
[00:53] <cfhowlett> holstein: on precise would answer all my questions
[01:02] <artao> cool! Nature is about wolverines tonight on PBS :D helluvan animal woverines ... woonna wanna cross one
[01:07] <astraljava> Yep, they're like the rest of the world's equivalent of Tasmanian Devil. :)
[05:40] <rimp> Hi, I bought a new sound card and I cant get my input to work. I can here it through the speaker, but I can't record it. Can someone help please?
[07:19] <wxl> hey folks trying to get pa->jack working
[07:19] <wxl> i get errors trying to load module-jack-sink/source re: rtprio
[11:29] <WaltherFI> Hi - I'm wondering if Ubuntu supports bit-perfect audio via USB DAC
[11:30] <WaltherFI> I don't care whether it would be on Ubuntu or UbuntuStudio, currently on Ubuntu but I've used studio before and can install it again
[11:31] <WaltherFI> I'm looking for 24bit/96kHz output through usb, with the audio skipping the internal soundcard and re-sampler
[11:34] <astraljava> WaltherFI: No need to install Studio separately, you can just add all the relevant packages by installing the various ubuntustudio-* metapackages.
[11:35] <astraljava> wxl: Sorry to hear you got problems. If you can't find help on this channel, you could also try #opensourcemusicians, they're a lovely bunch.
[11:41] <WaltherFI> astraljava: ...by installing those packages, would it be possible to get bit-perfect 24bit/96kHz over usb?
[11:42] <ailo> WaltherFI: You need to make sure your usb device supports those specs with the alsa driver
[11:42] <ailo> I assume you're talking about a usb audio device here
[11:42] <WaltherFI> USB DAC; ESI Dr. DAC nano
[11:43] <ailo> WaltherFI: You should check with alsa about that device
[11:43] <WaltherFI> isn't alsa the one in use by default?
[11:43] <ailo> Usually usb devices only work according to usb 1.1 specs
[11:43] <ailo> Cause there's only  a generic driver
[11:44] <ailo> A few will work with usb 2.0 specs
[11:44] <ailo> I know of one device that has custom drivers for alsa
[11:44] <WaltherFI> Assuming the device does what it is supposed to do, is Ubuntu capable of using it properly?
[11:45] <ailo> WaltherFI: Sure. But, if you want pro audio, use jack
[11:45] <WaltherFI> And, what do I have to do to make sure everything is working properly
[11:45] <ailo> jack will use the alsa driver, but you can use it in realtime mode
[11:45] <WaltherFI> ailo: JACK gives near-zero latencies, but is it capable of 24bit/96kHz and using USB devices?
[11:45] <ailo> jack will also let you know if there are any dropouts
[11:46] <ailo> jack uses the alsa driver for usb drivers
[11:46] <WaltherFI> is jack any better than it was back in 2009? I remember it crashing like hell
[11:46] <ailo> WaltherFI: That is a very subjective opinion of jack. I find it to be very stable, and superior to anything else
[11:47] <ailo> WaltherFI: If you want to know about support for your audio device, you should search the alsa page for info, or ask on the alsa user mail list
[11:48] <ailo> If you want to use jack, make sure you know how you make use of it
[11:48] <ailo> I'd say linux audio user mail list is a great forum for all kinds of questions
[11:50] <WaltherFI> sure
[11:50] <WaltherFI> sorry if I sounded arrogant, I just had so much trouble with it back then
[11:51] <WaltherFI> anyway, probably going to order the USB DAC today and see how it functions when it arrives
[11:52] <ailo> WaltherFI: It's not very easy to get into linux audio. So, I'm sure first experiences can be like yours. The forums I'd use to get info apart from homepages for alsa and jack is "lau", linux audio user mail list, and perhaps the alsa user mail list as well.
[11:52] <WaltherFI> btw, is it necessary / recommended to install ubuntustudio-* or is it enough if I just install some packages e.g. related to jack and alsa
[11:52] <ailo> WaltherFI: alsa is already installed
[11:52] <WaltherFI> hence "related"
[11:53] <ailo> No need to install ubuntustudio-*
[11:53] <ailo> Just install jackd
[11:53] <WaltherFI> how about the realtime kernels and such?
[11:53] <ailo> But, to get realtime priv, you need to add yourself to "audio" group
[11:53] <ailo> You'll probably get by with the generic kernel
[11:53] <WaltherFI> okay
[11:53] <WaltherFI> I'll be back when the thing arrives
[11:53] <WaltherFI> thanks!
[11:54] <ailo> There will hopefully be a lowlatency kernel in the repo for the release of Ubuntu Precise
[12:44] <astraljava> There are already plenty of lowlatency packages available @ https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+ppa-packages
[12:44] <astraljava> But, be aware that they do not receive any official support. It is, after all, a PPA.
[12:44] <astraljava> Just FYI if you're in a hurry.l
[12:44] <astraljava> -l
[13:49] <artao> dang it!! what was that fricken console command i used yesterday to change the gamma on my secondary display?!? GAH!!!!
[13:55] <artao> actually, i'd LOVE it if anyone could recommend a monitor calibration utility, preferably with a GUI
[16:11] <holstein> WaltherFI: i personally wouldnt expect perfect anything VIA usb
[16:12] <holstein> but as ailo says, if the drivers support the device, JACK'll do it right
[17:12] <wxl> astraljava: thx
[17:45] <CaptainKnots> hello
[17:46] <cfhowlett> CaptainKnots: greetings
[18:25] <CaptainKnots> so, I'm installing ubuntu studio for my brother
[18:26] <CaptainKnots> I'm glad to see that it's switched to xfce
[18:28] <cfhowlett> I had some hope that we'd see US on LXDE. but the community has assured me that xfce is the more viable option.  Of course, you can always roll your own.  :)
[18:29] <CaptainKnots> I don't even use ubuntu myself
[18:29] <CaptainKnots> I'm a fedora guy
[18:29] <cfhowlett> fedora spin or pure fedora?
[18:30] <wxl> i more or less run us on lxde. more clearly, i have most of the us stuff on lubuntu ;)
[18:30] <wxl> i like having everything trimmed down. means more resources for a/v ;)
[18:31] <CaptainKnots> cfhowlett: I setup a headless fedora 16 install and installed KDE myself
[18:31] <CaptainKnots> didn't use a spin
[18:31] <CaptainKnots> Sysinfo for 'deskt0p': Linux 3.2.3-2.fc16.x86_64 running KDE Development Platform 4.8.00 (4.8.0, CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz at 2400 MHz (4787 bogomips), HD: 275/923GB, RAM: 5231/5970MB, 168 proc's, 12.17h up
[18:32] <cfhowlett> I found the fedora design spin interesting but noted that it's pretty much graphics focused...
[18:47] <CaptainKnots> cfhowlett: my brother is going to school for sound engineering....think ubuntu studio will fit his needs?
[18:48] <CaptainKnots> he also has a mac
[18:49] <cfhowlett> CaptainKnots: sound engineering?  I would think so, although the Planet CCRMA/Redhat package seems to be more academically inclined: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_CCRMA
[18:56] <CaptainKnots> cfhowlett: I think that would be cool for him, but he's still getting used to linux
[18:56] <CaptainKnots> so ubuntu seems to be the way to go
[18:56] <CaptainKnots> if he didn't have the mac, I'd definitely set him up with CCRMA
[18:57] <cfhowlett> might want to have your brother ask the university about this...
[21:15] <artao> oh dear
[21:15] <artao> i just discovered the openArtist distro
[21:15] <artao> hmmm
[21:16] <holstein> if i were going to run something based on ubuntu, id run KXstudio
[21:16] <holstein> if i wanted something that was not based on ubuntu, id run AVlinux
[21:17] <holstein> i'll have to load up open artist though and give it a look
[21:17] <holstein> artao: custom repos? packages?
[21:17] <artao> ja
[21:17] <holstein> hmm... seems kind of old
[21:17] <artao> some compiled himself (apparently a one man project "up til now", whatever that means)
[21:17] <holstein> 10.10 based
[21:18] <artao> plus pulls in packages from various other distros, including ubuntu studio
[21:18] <artao> he says he chose that for LTS
[21:18] <holstein> yeah... but its not the LTS
[21:18] <holstein> 10.04 is the LTS
[21:18] <artao> hmm
[21:19] <holstein> not that any of that matters
[21:19] <holstein> if its maintained, who cares
[21:19] <holstein> but, that core is about to be dead
[21:19] <artao> the mind-map documentation sounds attractive
[21:19] <artao> there's another one i found called artistx
[21:20] <artao> his goal is to include EVERYTHING audio, video, graphics, multimedia, animation
[21:20] <artao> i'm sure he'll upgrade the core ;)
[21:20] <artao> :to be seen:
[21:21] <holstein> http://www.musix.org.ar/en/ was well supported
[21:21] <holstein> http://gnuguitarinux.sourceforge.net/ is relatively new
[21:21] <holstein> http://dream.dickmacinnis.com/forum/ is the US graphics guy
[21:21] <holstein> he might be MIA though...
[21:22] <artao> fighto
[21:22] <artao> er .. righto, that is
[21:22]  * artao fings fingers
[21:23] <holstein> i havent looked at artistx in a while
[21:23] <holstein> doesnt really matter so much for us... with the production apps
[21:23] <holstein> they are all the same anyways
[21:23] <holstein> little rev's here and there
[21:23] <holstein> i say, go with whatever is closest to whatever you want out-of-the-box
[21:24] <artao> plenty easy to install too, whatever i want
[21:24] <artao> instead of being bloated with 2500+ packages
[21:24] <artao> of which i'd only use a fraction
[21:24] <holstein> http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6994
[21:25] <holstein> that download link is broken though, but puppy studio is fun
[21:25] <holstein> nice live
[21:25] <holstein> also.. dynebolic has a new live CD
[21:30] <artao> i played with dynebolic years ago. pretty cool.