[00:14] <Deithrian> Is there a way to make iBus work with Opera and Kate in Kubuntu?
[01:12] <FernandoMiguel> nite
[02:21] <blair> on my 11.10 system it looks like all python modules provide 2.6 and 2.7 versions, while 12.04 only provides 2.7?
[02:22] <bazhang> !info python
[02:22] <bazhang> blair, yes, why do you need something else?
[02:23] <blair> yes, i work for sony pictures imageworks and we have ~500 desktops with people doing maya
[02:23] <blair> currently we're on fedora 13 and i'm pitching to go to 12.04
[02:24] <blair> maya won't be going to python 2.7 for a while and if the distro doesn't provide 2.6 bindings, then that's a lot of work for us to compile modules
[02:24] <blair> this was going to be one of my selling points
[02:26] <blair> who can i email/speak to about getting python modules to build 2.6 also?
[05:58] <skierpage> I upgraded to 12.04 Kubuntu Alpha 2 for amd64, and it installed a bunch of i386 packages, and every day wants to install more.
[06:02] <skierpage> I think the only 32-bit program I use is wine1.3, yet it wants to install e.g. bluez-alsa (i386), libgtk3-bin (i386), etc. Is this the new multi-arch approach?
[07:23] <skierpage> Is it the case that any time you install any library you install in both /usr/lib/x86_64 and /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ ?
[07:29] <skierpage> Why do I still have /usr/lib32 and /usr/lib/ie86-linux-gnu ?
[07:37] <skierpage> Well, thanks for the enlightening explanation.
[08:00] <skierpage> I have a /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch file containing "foreign-architecture i386" , if I get rid of it will Ubuntu stop installing the i386 version of every package?
[08:06] <micahg> skierpage: multiarch is part of precise, you shouldn't disable it unless you know what you're doing
[08:06] <micahg> http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/
[08:08] <skierpage> micahg I've read that. I have an amd64 system, the only 64-bit app I know about is Wine1.3, yet during package updates my system installs the i386 versions of almost everything.
[08:08] <skierpage> sorry I mean only 32-bit app I have is wine1.3.
[08:08] <micahg> right, as wine is not a 64 bit app
[08:08] <micahg> *pure 64 bit
[08:09] <skierpage> micahg, right. But why is it offering to install e.g. bluez-alsa (i386), which surely isn't required by my 32-bit apps.
[08:10] <micahg> skierpage: see ia32-libs-multiarch
[08:10] <zzecool> you can have some 32bit app running ona 64bit system if you have installed the 32bit libraries     ia32-libs
[08:10] <zzecool> micahg: you got me in the corner ;p
[08:10] <micahg> it basically pulls in the equivalent of the old ia32-libs package
[08:11] <zzecool> If the application only needs some 32bit libraries you can run it easy if you install "ia32-libs"
[08:11] <skierpage> zzecool, I do have ia32-libs installed. So my system is going to blindly install the 32-bit version of every library for as long as I run Wine1.3? (!)
[08:12] <zzecool> if the application has other 32bit dependencies its a no no
[08:12] <zzecool> skierpage: yes
[08:12] <zzecool> exactly
[08:12] <zzecool> and it not a problem its not many after all
[08:12] <skierpage> zzecool, time to buy more disk ;-)
[08:12] <zzecool> no no
[08:12] <micahg> skierpage: no, not at all, it's because of the dependency on ia32-libs which pulls in ia32-libs-multiarch
[08:12] <zzecool> its not that much
[08:13] <zzecool> Im also running 64bit ubuntu and have the 32bit libraries installed
[08:13] <skierpage> I guess you're right, 113M /usr/lib32 and 191M /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu. (I thought one was going to be a symlink to the other?)
[08:13] <zzecool> to be able torun adibe air - Tweetdeck
[08:14] <zzecool> adobe air*
[08:15] <skierpage> I hope Ubuntu gets a more user-friendly explanation than what Debian offers.update
[08:16] <skierpage>  What's confusing as hell is the system updaters tells me about all these i386 versions of packages, but I can't run `aptitude why bluez-alsa (i386)` for an explanation.
[08:17] <micahg> skierpage: aptitude isn't multiarch aware yet
[08:17] <micahg> but it does work :) aptitude why bluez-alsa:i386
[08:18] <micahg> albeit not as clear
[08:19] <skierpage> micahg alright, the colon! That helps a lot, thanks. Shame the KDE Muon package installer shows " (i386)" instead of "i386".
[08:20] <skierpage> I mean ":386".
[08:21] <skierpage> micahg, you should write some Ubuntu wiki page explaining Multiarch in 12.04  that no one will ever find in Google search results.
[08:22] <zzecool> Im so happy with precise it feels HELL ALOT  faster and smoother than oneiric
[08:22] <skierpage> % aptitude why bluez-alsa:i386
[08:22] <skierpage> i   wine1.3             Depends  ia32-libs (>= 1.6)
[08:22] <skierpage> i A ia32-libs           Depends  ia32-libs-multiarch
[08:22] <skierpage> i A ia32-libs-multiarch Provides ia32-libs-multiarch
[08:22] <skierpage> i A ia32-libs-multiarch Depends  bluez-alsa
[08:36] <psypher246> hello all, has anyone else's MSN and GMAIl stopped working in empathy since last update?
[08:36] <psypher246> usnig online accounts or manually created accounts in empathy?
[08:43] <zzecool> psypher246: i wasnt able to see my online status of hotmail - msn friends
[08:43] <zzecool> in empathy
[08:43] <zzecool> but they were able to msg me
[08:54] <psypher246> zzecool: yeah mine won't even sign in
[08:54] <zzecool> wait
[08:54] <zzecool> ill try to find my bug report
[08:55] <zzecool> psypher246: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/925353
[08:55] <zzecool> some typo though
[08:55] <zzecool> ;p
[08:57] <zzecool> Yeah i tried now to open empathy and crashed
[08:58] <zzecool> even worst than my first bug report
[08:58] <zzecool> ill do a new one nwo
[08:59] <psypher246> cool lemme know the number
[09:02] <zzecool> ok
[09:02] <zzecool> wait
[09:06] <zzecool> psypher246: its a private bug
[09:06] <zzecool> i did the full file report
[09:11] <psypher246> ok, do you want to keep it private?
[09:11] <zzecool> wait
[09:14] <zzecool> psypher246: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/928714
[09:14] <zzecool> here you are
[09:16] <psypher246> thanks, not sure though if we have the same issue, my empathy opens, just doesn't log into MSN and gmail
[09:17] <Fudge> hi where can i configure how many workspaces i have in unity2d
[09:17] <zzecool> we dont have the same
[09:17] <zzecool> psypher246: mine just crashing
[09:18] <zzecool> you may need an update  to have the full crash  ;p
[09:19] <magn3ts> Hello. I've come to beg for the 6th release of ubuntu in a row that mouse pointers are fixed.
[09:19] <magn3ts> cursors rather, but all the same.
[09:20] <ikonia> in what way is there a problem ?
[09:20] <magn3ts> select anything other than the default cursor theme in gnome's appearance dialog.
[09:20] <magn3ts> and then watch it not appear?
[09:21] <magn3ts> also, for many cursor themes, they simply refuse to show up (at least in gnome2, haven't checked those set of themes in gnome3 yet)
[09:21] <zzecool> Fudge: you need the gconf editor
[09:21] <ikonia> is there a bug logged for it ?
[09:21] <ikonia> sounds like a reasonably high priority bug
[09:21] <zzecool> i dont know any other
[09:21] <magn3ts> ikonia: I don't remember what I found last time I searched Launchpad for it. I'll check
[09:21] <ikonia> magn3ts: if there is a bug, push it with the desktop theme
[09:22] <ikonia> magn3ts: begging in an IRC channel won't get anything fixed,
[09:22] <magn3ts> fair enough
[09:23] <ikonia> magn3ts: pushing a well logged bug with the correct team and assisting where possible, will move it forward
[09:23] <zzecool> Fudge:  install the gconf editor   -----------> run it ----------> apps ----------> metacity  -------------> general -----------> num_workspaces  change this from "1" to the number of workspaces you wanna have
[09:27] <Fudge> zzecool  thanks heaps
[09:27] <zzecool> np
[09:27] <zzecool> just use google better next time :P
[09:37] <Fudge> i did before asking
[09:38] <Fudge> i might have to google for a command to parse though, gnome orca kind of isnt coming to the party for me with gconf editor
[09:51] <Kartagis> hi
[09:52] <Kartagis> what happens when all the English alphabet letters run out?
[10:26] <pjotter> Hi everybody! Is something wrong with the APT of precise pangolin? I was testing the alpha-2 version, but I can't download and install any packages.
[10:49] <skierpage> zzecool, micahg there seemed to be nothing on the subject so I wrote https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiArch
[10:49] <skierpage> goodnight!
[10:54] <pjotter> Hello
[10:57] <pjotter> Hi everybody. I wanted to test the alpha-2 version of Xubuntu. But it doesn't  seem possible to use the software centre? Is that always the case, or is something wrong at the moment?
[11:14] <Kartagis> what happens when all the English alphabet letters run out?
[11:17] <jpds> Kartagis: what?
[11:17] <m4yer> hm, i've got skierspages problem vice versa ... it wants to remove all packages with :i386 (from day to day more)
[11:17] <Kartagis> jpds: ubuntu versions are based on English letters
[11:17] <jpds> Kartagis: Start again from the beginning.
[11:18] <Kartagis> hm
[11:18] <Kartagis> okay
[11:18] <Kartagis> thanks jpds
[11:55] <g0twig> jo
[11:56] <g0twig> just yesterday upgraded to 12.04
[11:56] <g0twig> I had problems with lightdm
[11:56] <g0twig> any way to reconfigure it?
[11:56] <g0twig> with dpkg-reconfigure lightdm? , I am not at the machine right now
[11:59] <Arnold> http://ubuntuone.com/5ag2Gb3TBdtT6ZhSQaUy9h
[11:59] <Arnold> The right click menu not respecting the theme color - is that a regression/bug or a feature?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> HIyas all
[13:18] <notlistening> Hi I have found what i believe to be a bug in 12.04 that i can reproduce what can i get someone to confirm before reporting it
[13:20] <BluesKaj> notlistening, check on launchpad
[13:23] <notlistening> checked there does not seem to be anything like that there
[13:38] <chmac> In Evolution, I search for messages, open one, then ctrl-pgup or pgdn to move messages. I move between all messages in the folder, not the search results. Is this true for everyone else?
[13:39] <notlistening> chmac try holding down pageup or pagedown on your message list, err crash :P
[13:40] <chmac> notlistening: Doesn't crash for me, just holding pageup when viewing the message list?
[13:40] <chmac> Feels a bit like when somebody says, put your hand in the fire, it'll hurt like hell!
[13:41] <notlistening> lol
[13:41] <notlistening> It used to crash anyways
[13:42] <notlistening> I lie they fixed that :)
[13:44] <notlistening> chmac: it just skips through the results list for me not all my e-mails
[13:46] <chmac> notlistening: Oh outrageous, I've been living with this bug for over a year, figuring it'll eventually get fixed, and it turns out it's something specific to my setup!
[13:46]  * chmac gives himself a gian faceslap
[13:46] <chmac> s/gian/giant
[13:46] <chmac> notlistening: Which evolution version are you running?
[13:46] <notlistening> strange
[13:46] <chmac> 3.2.3?
[13:47] <notlistening> yeah that is the version i am using
[13:47] <chmac> notlistening: You opening the message in a new window, or using the "preview pane"?
[13:47] <notlistening> oh i was scrolling though the list
[13:48] <notlistening> your right it does go through all the e-mails when you have the window open
[13:50] <BLZbubba> howdy
[13:52] <BLZbubba> looks like precise server still loads upstart & plymouth, any chance of fixing that design flaw?  at least the server should default to showing the grub selection and no splash screen at all
[13:53] <BLZbubba> i loved 8.04 and hated 10.04, i really want to use ubuntu again with 12.04
[13:53] <BLZbubba> but running upstart on a server is going to be a tough sell
[13:54] <BLZbubba> is there a way to log what upstart is doing, and also a verbose boot mode to see where it is failing?
[13:55] <BLZbubba> my first precise install comes up with a blank screen and blinking cursor
[13:55] <BLZbubba> at least i can get to virtual terminals
[13:55] <BLZbubba> big improvement over 10.04
[13:55] <chmac> notlistening: Ok, phew, that makes me feel better (which is silly, because it would have been easier to fix if it was just me!)
[13:55] <BLZbubba> plus it looks like bond0 + 802.3ad is broken
[13:59] <BLZbubba> also, the rescue ramdisk doesn't have gdisk
[13:59] <BLZbubba> parted is horrible in comparison
[14:01] <BLZbubba> any chance of getting these fixed?
[14:07] <BLZbubba> also, what is the best way to force ubuntu server to leave the video mode at the default?  should i comment out the insmod gfxterm?
[15:19] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[18:41] <moo-> help
[18:42] <moo-> i use 12.04 with gnome-session-fallback and worked great, then today i did an update as i do everyday, and now when i login it logins to unity
[18:42] <moo-> i hate unity
[18:42] <moo-> how do iget gnome classic back?
[18:44] <jtaylor> install mint
[18:45] <jtaylor> gnome classic is gone from everything but that distro to my knowledge, though older still supported ones still have it
[18:45] <Pici> I think moo- means the gnome3-classic-mode thing
[18:45] <Pici> not gnome2
[18:45] <trism> gnome classic is still there, gnome-panel was just updated today
[18:46] <moo-> yes i want gnome3
[18:46] <moo-> with gnome-session-classic tha install gnome-panel
[18:46] <moo-> but the latest update broke it for me so it logins to unity instead
[18:46] <moo-> unity is much better in 12.04 than it was in 11.04, but i still dont like it
[18:47] <trism> moo-: you selected gnome classic in the session selector before logging in?
[18:47] <moo-> 74e
[18:47] <moo-> yes
[18:48] <trism> moo-: can you pastebin /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log ?
[18:49] <moo-> ok
[18:50] <moo-> http://pastebin.com/K5CmvDmn
[18:52] <trism> moo-: weird, looks correct to me, maybe take a look at ~/.xsession-errors after you log in and see if anything weird is there
[18:53] <moo-> oki
[18:55] <moo-> doesnt look strange to me
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> yay got a new job :D
[19:40] <trism> FernandoMiguel: congrats
[19:40] <FernandoMiguel> thanks
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> so for the next few weeks, you guys may not see me around
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> till I get all stuff straight and back home
[20:08] <yofel> oh fun, libc6 upgrade
[20:08] <yofel> FernandoMiguel: congrats :)
[20:09] <FernandoMiguel> thanks yofel
[20:09] <FernandoMiguel> ohh and fun!!
[20:09] <FernandoMiguel> let me check mine
[20:09] <FernandoMiguel> The following packages have been kept back:
[20:09] <FernandoMiguel>   libc-bin libc-dev-bin libc6 libc6-dev libc6-i386
[20:10] <FernandoMiguel> lol
[20:29] <cmyrland> Hi all.. So I'm installing Ubuntu on my friend's old laptop for him to play with, and everything works fine.. of course.. except, of course, the wlan. The chip is a Broadcom BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN accoding to lshw, and ubuntu installs the b43 driver.. but nothing happens. The wireless is dead. It doesn't even appear in the network indicator when b43 is installed.. The card's product name is BCM94311MCG, and all forum posts I can find are from 2008
[20:29] <cmyrland> and they recommend ndiswrapper oO
[20:33] <holstein> cmyrland: i would say visit #ubuntu ..this is for the 12.04 release.. although, for me.. sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer usually does the trick
[20:34] <cmyrland> holstein, I'm using 12.04 ;) The problem was the same with 11.10 though
[20:34] <holstein> if you must have ndis, just use the ndisgtk GUI
[20:34] <holstein> cmyrland: 12.04 is *not* supported right now
[20:35] <cmyrland> I know, I'm just asking around in case there's soe regression going on or whatever
[20:35] <holstein> this is what i refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[20:37] <cmyrland> brb, I'll just do a reboot to be sure I've not messed anything up before trying
[20:41] <cmyrland> holstein, firmware was the culprit, all right. But why doesn't the restricted drivers-app install firmware, or at least offer it? I think it used to do that..?
[20:42] <cmyrland> thanks for your help, this laptop is now wireless and smokin'
[21:23] <aBound> Has anybody on Ubuntu 12.04 Alpha 2 seen any improvements on battery life while using the newer kernel on a laptop?
[21:29] <yofel> well, it's slightly better than 11.04 here
[21:37] <aBound> Using 11.10 here.
[21:38] <aBound> By default I get about 2 and a half hours to 2 hours and 40 minutes.
[21:39] <aBound> Figures, I'd come in here and check to see what somebody else might have on there laptop. Using the newer kernel.
[21:40] <m4yer> well, time is relative ;) got about 12-14 hours here.
[21:41] <aBound> On your laptop? You're kidding right.
[21:42] <aBound> I know the Macbook is supposed to get around 7hrs but 12-14 hours dang.
[21:43] <m4yer> no, thinkpad x220 with 9 cells, but btt, i guess precise brought about 20 minutes to half an hour (if any ;) )
[21:45] <aBound> Ahh, no wonder I think I got a 3 to 6 cell battery.
[21:46] <urlin2u> Manehattan, unetbootin does'nt have a download for 12.04 nor does it check the md5sum.
[21:47] <Manehattan> urlin2u: After a reboot, I chose "install without trying" and now it runs through
[21:47] <urlin2u> Manehattan, cool. :)
[21:48] <Manehattan> urlin2u: But unetbootin does have an option "Daily LiveCD" and that one claims to be 12.04 in the installation
[21:48] <aBound> m4yer, Is all of your hardware on your thinkpad supported by Ubuntu?
[21:48] <Manehattan> I have to use that one too, since 11.10 and before will install but not boot on this laptop
[21:49] <brodock> anyone got 12.04 working on a virtualbox?
[21:49] <Manehattan> Oh my god YES! It boots! it boots! After only 2 weeks I was able to install an ubuntu on this machine!
[21:49] <m4yer> aBound: yes. works everything fine.
[21:49] <urlin2u> Manehattan, hmm I looked and missed that, personally I always just download the iso then load it.
[21:50] <aBound> Hmm, looks like I'll have to grab one of those in a couple of years.
[21:50] <aBound> Cause that battery life is insane. :P
[21:50] <m4yer> that was one of the main reasons ;)
[21:52] <Manehattan> urlin2u: Seriously, someone should write a findable tutorial for ubuntu with uefi
[21:53] <aBound> HA!
[21:53] <urlin2u> Manehattan, you mean like this with ubuntu uefi in the search. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[21:53] <urlin2u> Manehattan, gotta have some google foo chops
[21:54] <urlin2u> :)
[21:54] <Manehattan> yeah that one helped me no bit
[21:55] <urlin2u> Manehattan, was it that you didn't understand it?
[21:55] <Manehattan> urlin2u: It was that it semed to be orthogonal to my problem
[21:55] <aBound> Wow, read the tech specs on this top of the line Thinkpad and they have a 9-Cell battery plus slice battery up to 21hrs.
[21:56] <Manehattan> it should just say "create an extra uefi boot partition like so, then proceed"
[21:57] <urlin2u> Manehattan, is this your first shot at open source or ubuntu, does not seem so just asking?
[21:57] <Manehattan> aBound: I'd be careful... they claimed my new laptop can have up to 9 hours but up to now I got to to live for 3
[21:57] <Manehattan> urlin2u: I've been an ubuntu user for 4 years, and a computer scientist
[21:58] <aBound> Manehattan, I know what you mean they can claim certain things but you don't know for sure. But it does sound amazing 21hrs is almost a whole day.
[21:58] <urlin2u> Manehattan, cool, personally I learned from the school of hard knock, I have rarely asked for help or used a wiki, just spent a lot of time on the ubuntu forums and the IRC
[21:59] <aBound> It will be a while before I get a new laptop seeing as this one is still pretty new.
[21:59] <urlin2u> but I'm a amateur as well
[21:59] <Manehattan> urlin2u: The more I do these things the more I still see myself as a noob
[21:59] <urlin2u> lol I'm with you there.
[21:59] <urlin2u> ;)
[22:00] <Manehattan> urlin2u: So yes, the adventure began two weeks ago with the purchase of a new laptop
[22:00] <Manehattan> Installed ubuntu, it wouldn't boot
[22:01] <aBound> Alright thanks guys I'm hopping outta here.
[22:01] <Manehattan> worked myself through the systems, had a gentoo with grub legacy, that one would boot
[22:01] <Manehattan> built it up and it worked
[22:02] <Manehattan> then they brought new pcs into my office at work, I snatched one, installed ubuntu
[22:02] <Manehattan> it wouldn't boot
[22:02] <Manehattan> suspicious
[22:02] <Manehattan> learned about uefi and all that
[22:03] <Manehattan> and finally made it
[22:03] <Manehattan> so now I am the only one in the offices who can install an ubuntu, go me
[22:05] <urlin2u> Manehattan, now you can have that distinctive Ubuntu swagger. :)
[22:05] <Manehattan> urlin2u: Un-fire-able!
[22:23] <johnjohn101> finally got 12.04 working again..  seems to be an issue with vmware.  if you don't enable 3d in vmware 4.01, it still tries to load the 3d software
[23:43] <FernandoMiguel> and dns resolver is broken
[23:43] <FernandoMiguel> yay
[23:43] <Daekdroom> What?
[23:44] <FernandoMiguel> $ dig soa dhcp.ar.kashpureff.org | pastebinit
[23:44] <FernandoMiguel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/834621/
[23:45] <FernandoMiguel> vs
[23:45] <FernandoMiguel> $ dig soa dhcp.ar.kashpureff.org +short @192.168.1.254
[23:45] <FernandoMiguel> ns4.khresear.ch. eugenekay.kashpureff.org. 5134 3600 300 86400 300
[23:45] <FernandoMiguel> 1st doesn't work