[08:16]  * smb wonders what a "strut" is...
[08:19] <Kano> hi apw 
[08:20] <Kano> apw: would you update aufs when you get simply instructions to do so? already verified with an iso image using aufs3?
[08:21] <Kano> apw: also ndiswrapper 1.57 compiles with 3.2 kernel, why dont intergrate that?
[08:23] <ohsix> bleagh
[11:39]  * ppisati -> reboot
[12:21] <snadge> who looks after the 3.3 shit? :p
[12:21] <snadge> kernel.ubuntu.com
[12:22] <snadge> ooo theres an rc2 now ;)
[12:25] <snadge> rc1 wasnt booting on an amd zacate system of mine
[12:25] <snadge> but it does on bulldozer 8150
[13:27] <apw> 1276852736
[13:49] <reisei> Hi, all. I'm using ubuntu-oneiric kernel on the ARM device. There is a problem: when I halt the system it have a segfault after unmounting file system... please, advice, how can I fix it?
[13:49] <tgardner> ppisati, ^^
[13:50] <ppisati> reisei: kernel version?
[13:50] <reisei> ppisati: 3.0.13
[13:51] <ppisati> reisei: i'm checking, hold on
[13:52] <ppisati> reisei: uname -a
[13:53] <reisei> ppisati: 
[13:54] <reisei> Linux omap4430-panda 3.0.13 #0 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jan 25 13:16:31 MSK 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux
[13:58] <ppisati> reisei: did you build it by yourself?
[13:59] <reisei> ppisati: yep
[14:00] <ppisati> reisei: then it's unsupported
[14:00] <ppisati> reisei: btw, do you have musb enabled?
[14:01] <reisei> ppisati: :-( Even, you can't suggest what's wrong?
[14:01] <reisei> ppisati: yes.
[14:01] <ppisati> reisei: ok, disable it, it causes panic at shutdown
[14:01] <ppisati> reisei: i swa some fixes for it upstream, but never ehcked if they hit -stable
[14:02] <reisei> ppisati: thanks! I'll try it.
[14:11] <reisei> ppisati: yes, it works.
[14:12] <ppisati> reisei: ok then, either you update to a more recent -stable version of you r kernel
[14:12] <ppisati> reisei: or you could look for "musb shutdown fixes" on the arm lkml ml
[14:13] <apw> tgardner, did ogasawara confirm it was the procps patches that were her boot problem do you know ?
[14:13] <ogasawara> apw: I did
[14:13] <ogasawara> apw: I yanked em
[14:13] <tgardner> apw, no, I do not know for sure
[14:13] <tgardner> ah, nm
[14:13] <apw> ogasawara, oh heh hi
[14:13] <apw>  it early there isn't it ?
[14:14] <reisei> ppisati: ok. Thanks a lot... Can't solve that problem for a week.
[14:14] <ogasawara> apw: it is, but it's my normal start time anyways
[14:14] <ogasawara> apw: I try to squeeze in as much time while the nugget is asleep
[14:15] <ogasawara> apw: I tested on i386.  it would appear to boot properly, but then hang and vomit an oops for a null pointer dereference
[14:16] <apw> ogasawara, not good.  will have a play with it and try and figure that one out
[14:16] <ogasawara> apw: I can try booting it again here and get more detailed info
[14:17] <ogasawara> apw: hrm, except I didn't save the bad build nor the patches.  you have them somewhere so I can re-create?
[14:17] <apw> ogasawara, i have em, but don't worry i'll play with em
[14:18] <apw> commit 633b45454503489209b0d9a45f9e3cd1b852c614
[14:18] <apw> Author: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
[14:18] <apw> Date:   Tue Jan 3 14:23:08 2012 -0500
[14:18] <apw>     audit: only allow tasks to set their loginuid if it is -1
[14:18] <apw> ogasawara, i'll let you investigate that one, which is a new tunable for systemd systems whcih we may need to be aware of
[14:18] <ogasawara> apw: ack
[14:29] <ppisati> ok, configuring /etc/asound.conf to use pulse made audio in flash video work again
[14:32] <brendand> my flash sound is coming out the internal speaker instead of the usb headset, even though any other sound is coming out the headset
[14:34] <ppisati> brendand: out of curiosity, what's thje content of /etc/asound.conf for you?
[14:34] <brendand> ppisati, eh - it doesn't exist? any other place it could be?
[14:35] <ppisati> cat ~/.asoundrc
[14:36] <brendand> ppisati, nor that
[14:39] <ppisati> brendand: than i don't know, i had to do all this crap to make it work
[14:40] <brendand> ppisati, not sure why i don't have those files
[14:40] <ppisati> brendand: what i read around is that if you don't get any noise out of flash is beacuse the audio is nit routed through pulse-audio
[14:41] <ppisati> brendand: in fact, without it, i don't see any flash-stuff in the consumer list of pulseaudio (Sound Settings -> Applications)
[14:42] <brendand> ppisati, i think i have a different problem. i'll need to find exactly what's going on when i get a chance. probably a reboot will fix it though
[14:55]  * ppisati -> coffee, brb
[14:56]  * cking -> pick up kid from school, back in 25 mins or so
[15:35] <apw> ogasawara, am i correct in thinking you are using master-next in ubuntu-q ?
[15:35] <tgardner> apw, I created master-next in that repo
[15:35] <ogasawara> apw: I am
[15:35] <ogasawara> apw: I need to sync it up again with the latest precise master-next though
[15:36] <apw> ogasawara, yeah am starting to wonder if i should be building against it
[15:36] <apw> ogasawara, actually that came up recently, should we be uploading that regularly, like we do the pre-proposed heads ?
[15:37] <ogasawara> apw: for q?  I don't think it's necessary at this point in time
[15:37] <ogasawara> apw: for precise master-next maybe
[15:39] <apw> ogasawara, yeah we cirtainly can add precise to the mix there, if it is helpful.  there is no obvious reason not to
[15:39] <apw> now that PPAs work
[15:39] <ogasawara> apw: yah, that seems reasonable.  I think maybe once we hit kernel freeze for precise, then q would be reasonable to start building etc.
[15:41]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:43] <cking> tgardner, is that AMD laptop en-route to me now?
[15:44] <apw> ogasawara, ok, done, precisise should now be pushed from tommorrow
[15:46] <tgardner> cking, yep, went out yesterday afternoon
[15:46] <cking> tgardner, thanks!
[16:01] <ogasawara> apw: ack, thanks!
[16:23] <ogasawara> apw: so for this systemd loginuid patch, did you just see this in passing or is there another source which triggered this investigation, ie a LP bug?
[16:24] <apw> ogasawara, i was looking through the patches against fs/proc to see why the poo i pushed yesterday was exploding on you, and that one jumped out at me
[16:25] <apw> ogasawara, so no, nothing other than randomly bumping into it, no idea what we even have that set to
[16:25] <apw> ogasawara, i assume its an 'affecting Q' think now I think about it
[16:25] <ogasawara> apw: I assume it is something we'd want to toggle on, I'd have to double check Q to make sure we did.
[16:26] <ogasawara> apw: I'm actually running the Q kernel on my of my machines here
[16:26] <ogasawara> config.common.ubuntu:460:CONFIG_AUDIT_LOGINUID_IMMUTABLE=y
[16:26] <apw> ogasawara, actually i have no idea what way it needs to be, upstart (i assume) may be compatible with it being systemds way or not
[16:27] <apw> ogasawara, so i don't even know it is exposed hrrmmm ... perhaps we should be referring it to jhunt
[16:28] <ogasawara> apw: from reading the commit message and Kconfig details, it does say that it should be toggled on for systems which use systemd or similar central process services which I would interpret to be upstart
[16:29] <apw> ogasawara, so probabally we just should tell jhunt about it, and possibly security as it only affects what i think of as a security id for yourself
[16:29] <ogasawara> apw: yep
[16:30] <apw> jjohansen, ^ one for your endless todo list ... this option may affect us in Q
[16:31] <brendand> ok, i definitely have a new bug in precise. no matter what i do audio from the browser always comes out of the external speaker. it's verrrry annoying
[16:34] <brendand> pacmd list-sink-inputs doesn't list anything when browser audio is playing
[16:34] <brendand> hmmm. wonder if it's just chrome
[16:35] <brendand> nope
[16:35] <brendand> ppisati, does this sound more like what you were seeing?
[16:37] <cking> ogasawara, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/fwts/s3 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/fwts/s4
[16:38] <ogasawara> cking: awesome, thank you!
[16:38] <cking> and fwts is in universe, so it's all ready to go.
[16:38] <ogasawara> cking: sweet
[16:39] <ppisati> brendand: nope, for me it was just flash-audio not working
[16:40] <brendand> ppisati, sure just flash? i thought it was as well, but noticed while in a g+ hangout that the voice audio was coming through the headset fine (because it's coming from the gtalk plugin) whereas the audio effects in the hangout were coming out of internal
[16:41] <ppisati> brendand: yep, it was just flash
[16:44] <ppisati> tgardner: you din't get this one - http://static.1wt.eu/img/articles/guruplug-slow-heater/guruplug.jpg - right?
[16:44] <smb> jsalisbury_, Maybe that might be interesting de47a4176c532ef5961b8a46a2d541a3517412d3
[16:45] <tgardner> ppisati, nope. gimme a sec
[16:45] <tgardner> ppisati, http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-dreamplugdetails.aspx
[16:45] <ppisati> tgardner: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-dreamplugdetails.aspx?
[16:45] <ppisati> ok
[16:45] <apw> ppisati, which is better :)
[16:46] <ppisati> well, the one i posted is a fire hazard
[16:46] <ppisati> http://1wt.eu/articles/guruplug-slow-heater/
[16:46] <ppisati> that's why i asked for the fan
[16:49] <tgardner> ppisati, one interesting feature of the dreamplug is that it also has wifi built into it and comes up as an AP by default
[16:49] <ppisati> tgardner: ah, nice, but for my LAN i opted for this one: http://pcengines.ch/alix2d13.htm
[16:50] <brendand> raised: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/928980
[16:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 928980 in pulseaudio "Browser generated audio comes out the wrong sink" [Undecided,New]
[16:50] <tgardner> ppisati, yeah, I've used a lot of PC Engines boards in another life.
[16:50] <brendand> diwic - any idea why this could be happening?
[16:51] <brendand> diwic - seems like pulseaudio won't manage the browser audio
[16:51] <diwic> brendand, yes.
[16:52] <diwic> brendand, if TheMuso does not fix it tonight I'll fix it tomorrow, since it seems to hit a lot of people
[16:53] <diwic> brendand, I think the same as pgraner, that it was related to ALSA 1.0.25
[16:53] <ppisati> diwic: does it apply tp flash stuff too?
[16:53] <ppisati> ah k, you just answered
[16:53] <diwic> ppisati, it applies to anything using the alsa-plugin bridge to pulseaudio
[16:53] <diwic> ppisati, which Flash does. As for other apps, it differs.
[16:54] <brendand> diwic - i'm guessing it's a duplicated then. do you have a master bug number?
[16:54] <diwic> brendand, no, just saw it on the mailinglist.
[16:55] <brendand> diwic, ok. thanks!
[16:55] <diwic> (and can replicate here, I believe)
[17:17] <ohsix> cking: i happened to be running inotifywait -m -r / for something last night and noticed ibus opens and reads an svg every time the focus changes, lots of icons are read all the time and .cache/indicator-applet*.log is written to pretty often, if you're still looking for things that wake up the disk there might be something to see
[17:28] <jjohansen> apw: hrm thanks
[17:31] <cking> ohsix, can you file a bug and add "Also affects project" to ubuntu-power-consumption - that way it will get some love and attention
[17:32] <ohsix> hm maybe, i'm on natty though; don't know how easily i can test the latest versions of things, just thought it was worth mentioning as a source of more data to look at
[17:33] <ohsix> plus the .svg reads even if they're redundant should hit the disk cache, unless you're already under memory pressure then it just makes the situation a tinytinytiny bit worse :p
[17:38] <cking> ohsix, thanks, lemme put that down on a list of things to eyeball next
[17:39] <ohsix> before latencytop got a fancy ui it'd pretty readily tell you about file access
[17:39] <bdmurray> apw: what is the status of bug 882147?
[17:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 882147 in linux "overlayfs does not implement inotify interfaces correctly" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/882147
[17:39] <cking> yep, some tools just overstep themselves
[17:40] <apw> bdmurray, in progress, its not entirly obvious we can fix it at the moment
[17:40] <apw> bdmurray, i've tried telling userspace that inotify doesn't work on that filesystem and that just makes it puke errors violently
[17:40] <bdmurray> apw: so inotify might not be available then?
[17:40] <ohsix> it still says "press F to" check out the file in latencytop (paraphrasing) but it doesn't do anything; they just didn't change the string :P
[17:41] <apw> bdmurray, i just don't know at the moment, its much harder than i had hoped thats for sure
[17:41] <apw> i am about to start an upstream converation on what the heck we can do
[17:41] <bdmurray> apw: okay, I'm really interested in seeing that work
[17:42] <apw> bdmurray, yep, and its not clear that the current structure lets that work
[18:03] <apw> o
[18:03] <apw> ogasawara, ok i've managed to reproduce some kind of panic with the procps changes, though not until i tried to change the options ... it booted just fine for me ...
[18:04] <apw> though of course it may depend what you have installed on the system in question
[18:04] <ogasawara> apw: I'd tested with the latest precise and what was on master-next
[18:05] <apw> ogasawara, yeah, there is definatly somethign screwey, just it didn't reproduce instantly for me, but i am looking at this problem and that may be what you hit
[18:05] <ogasawara> apw: ack.  let me know if you want me to help test anything.
[18:05] <apw> ogasawara, so once i've fixed it i'll get you to retest :)
[18:05]  * ogasawara nods
[18:06]  * ogasawara back in 10
[18:07] <apw> ogasawara, ahh this is completley broken, and only luck lets me boot if anyone looks in /proc/mounts
[18:32] <apw> ogasawara, ok sorted i think, i've now pushed out some replacement patches fixing the issue i think you were seeing
[18:32] <ogasawara> apw: cool, I'll pull and test
[18:32] <apw> ogasawara, basically any boot was a random tossup, so your positive testing was just as much luck as mine
[18:33] <apw> ogasawara, a change of parameters to the show_options superblock options
[18:34]  * tgardner -> lunch
[19:12]  * cking -> EOD
[19:16]  * tgardner relocates
[19:17] <bjf> bdmurray: you see any recent breakage wi LP api? on Precise, task.date_created seems to be returning 'unicode' object instead of 'datetime' object
[19:17] <bjf> bdmurray: doesn't have to be LP api. there are several places it could be broken
[19:18] <bdmurray> bjf: haven't noticed
[19:18] <bjf> bdmurray: i don't run LP scripts on precise very often so I'd not seen it
[19:19] <bdmurray> bjf: just tested and yeah it looks like unicode
[19:19]  * bdmurray cries a little
[19:20] <ogasawara> apw:  test machine boots fine with the latest set of patches (have done 3 reboots so far, all successful)
[19:21] <apw> ogasawara, sounds good, it was an obvious flaw when i found it
[19:22] <ogasawara> apw: how urgently do we need these to go up, do we need an upload today or can I wait till tomorrow/fri?
[19:23] <apw> ogasawara, no urgency really, we need them so security can test whether they are enough of a fix, but they arn't going to get to that in short order, and if they do, well they can make their own
[19:24] <apw> ogasawara, just wanted them on their way
[19:24] <ogasawara> apw: ack
[19:25] <apw> tgardner-afk, just found a new shortcut in unity launcher (not listed on the help) super-tab, does alt-style round your launchapplication
[19:29] <apw> bjf, jsalisbury, i note that the meeting summary that got sent out this time is missing the links i put in ... am i doing them in the wrong format ?
[19:30] <jsalisbury> apw, hmm.  Let me take a look.
[19:32] <jsalisbury> apw, your format during the meeting is ok.  I must have improperly formatted the moin file.
[19:43] <apw> jsalisbury, well i'd not sweat about sending out another version or anyting, just see if we can figure out what occurs for next time
[19:44] <jsalisbury> apw, sure thing.  I'll be sure it's fixed for next meeting.  The script to generate the moin file stripped the links, but I'll fix it.
[19:59]  * apw calls it a day ... have fun
[20:22] <scientes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/834410/
[20:22] <scientes> ^^^^^
[20:23] <scientes> make-kpkg broken?
[20:23] <vanhoof> apw: super + ` was a cool find for me :)
[20:23] <scientes> or does it not work with mainline sources?
[20:23] <vanhoof> apw: same w/ apt + `
[20:23] <vanhoof> er alt
[20:25] <scientes> this is holding up my work, can someone look at how make-kpkg is not working?
[20:32] <scientes> hmm, this time it seemed to work, i guess nvm
[23:31] <apw> vanhoof, what does super+` do for you, doesn't seem to be a key binding here ?