[04:58] gord: \o/ gstreamer === Myrtti is now known as Guest12769 === Myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti [06:44] can anyone explain me how i can rename/delete the /etc/x11/xorg.file at the root console? [07:24] morning [07:24] * popey scrolls back [07:24] * popey quite likes the idea of the screenshot tool not popping up a dialog [07:25] morning [07:26] well it would be OK to not pop up a dialog if it informed you where the picture was. Or put it on the clipboard [07:26] Morning earthlings [07:28] yeah, a notification bubble popping up with the name of the file that had been saved would be good [07:28] but thats flawed also [07:28] if you want to take a succession of pictures you'd end up with notifications for the previous image in them [07:29] i dont care much i use shutter instead, it's way better than gnome screenshot [07:29] Lat night my son aked for a launcher thing for Minecraft on his 11.10 desktop. Jeez, that's a right palaver. Why can't I just right click on the launcher and select "Create Launcher" ffs. [07:31] aloha [07:34] TheOpenSourcerer: java is why [07:34] hmm [07:34] well, actually minecraft packaging is why [07:34] because you dont have a minecraft package that contains a desktop file [07:34] neither sounds convincing to me [07:35] What. I can right click on my desktop in 10.10 and create a lanucher. What I enter in the command string is entirely up to me. [07:37] http://askubuntu.com/questions/34408/how-to-add-minecraft-to-unity-launcher [07:38] Exactly. I read that. I refer back to my original question. Why is this so hard? If they want Unity for "normal/average users" this kind of thing just sucks [07:39] I have several launchers for the same app - with various switches for IP domains or whatnot. Having to jump through cli hoops to do it just seems like a total regression. [07:41] That example also creates a "global" launcher if i am not mistaken. That is not what my son wants. He's the only minecraft user on that machine and the minecraft jar is in his ~/bin [07:42] you're not telling me something I don't know ☺ [07:42] bug 705007 [07:42] Launchpad bug 705007 in unity "Unity has no method to maintain properties of launchers" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705007 [07:42] 2011-01-19 [07:43] Blimey - A year old. [07:44] so we conclude from this that the design team don't play minecraft [07:44] or play it on a mac :) [07:45] Man that sucks. [07:48] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16919664 [07:48] oops [07:49] * czajkowski waves at popey morning :D [07:50] yo [07:50] http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/3/2767453/trendnet-ip-camera-exploit-4chan [08:00] morning all [08:04] On Fusion: "... one gram of deuterium will provide 144 billion Joules of energy when it is completely burned into helium. One gram of benzene, a common hydrocarbon, releases just 48kJ when oxidized (burned in the normal sense)." [08:04] http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/02/a-crushing-magnetic-field-combined-with-a-laser-may-make-fusion-more-efficient.ars [08:05] Morning all [08:05] Morning diplo [08:05] Did you get OpenERP running? [08:06] Nope, heh in a rush last night i forgot to take my work laptop home :/ [08:06] lol [08:06] My old beast at home isn't up to vm's :/ [08:06] Really must get back my PC from my parents at some point [08:06] Going to make a start right now [08:09] Can't get my fingers warm this morning :( [08:10] does documentation for bamf exist outside of canonical I wonder [08:12] morning all [08:13] This is funny, if it wasn't so sad... The three patents that MS are suing B&N for and one of the ones that Amazon pays a license for. Trivial, not novel or innovative. [08:14] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/02/the-three-patents-microsoft-is-hammering-the-nook-withand-why-they-may-be-invalid.ars [08:15] Morning [08:17] "Microsoft is, presumably, putting some of its best patents forward in the case..." Oh dear. [08:18] good morning everyone. [08:18] morning brobostigon [08:19] morning TheOpenSourcerer [08:21] Morning all [08:21] morning DJones [08:23] weird, bitlbee just reset itself, and killed one of my accounts. [08:24] TheOpenSourcerer, I really hope it knocks some of these stupid patents on the head i really do [08:24] I wonder if it will invalidate all the existing patent agreements with the likes of Samsung etc [08:24] Not seen that mentioned on any articles i've read so far [08:25] If B&N do win and prove that MS patents are hogwash, then Samsung, LG et al might be feeling a little "peeved" [08:25] Heh, if the patent is invalidated, do you think the others will sue MS for extortion? [08:25] I doubt it would invalidate as they were pure commercial agreements made behind closed-doors. [08:26] doubt it [08:26] daubers: That is a very happy thought but as AlanBell says, I would doubt it. They have business that replies on MS as well as Andriod. [08:26] s\relies\Android. [08:27] keyboard failure [08:27] I would think at renegotiation time they might end up paying less [08:27] There might be some [ahem] harsh words said behind those doors. [08:27] I guess MS have been doing this for years now and have a lot of tied up in very strict clauses etc [08:27] but these are complicated "big money" deals all about moving money around balance sheets and avoiding taxes [08:28] 10.04 nearly installed \o/ [08:28] "we must bring down our marketing costs, but we don't care what we spend on licensing costs" [08:28] so lets pay a licensing cost to Microsoft and Microsoft can fund all our marketing activities [08:28] indeed [08:29] probably some currency shuffling involved too [08:30] lets pay licensing cost in Yen in the far east and Dollars come out in America [08:30] or vice versa [08:33] * daubers wonders if the little tool shop in tadley will have a set of vernier calipers [08:34] Great video - fight between Cannon and Nikon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTVfFmENgPU (Funny) [08:36] Lets see how good this tutorial is now :) [08:39] * TheOpenSourcerer trembles waiting for diplo's review... [08:39] heh [08:40] Tried with Postgres9 TheOpenSourcerer ? [08:40] Never used postgres but believe 9 has lot's of improvements / speed [08:40] Dunno - what's the packaged version in 10.04? 8? [08:41] TBH I never even looked at the version number of Postgres. [08:41] yeah, think it said 8.48 [08:41] :-) [08:41] Well, this is worth it just to get me to look at postgres [08:41] :) [08:42] i need to plan, to upgrade my vps, from lts to lts, once 12.04 is release. [08:42] We're looking at migrating from mysql to postgres :( [08:42] I've debated holding ordering my VPS till 12.04 comes out [08:42] You read about Ubuntu moving to MariaDB daubers ? [08:42] Well the suggestion [08:42] i use SQLite on my vps, works well, and is nice and light, and resource friendly. [08:42] diplo: runs fine on postgresql-9.1 [08:42] diplo: That's the main reason we're looking at it [08:43] brobostigon: No good for multiple applications accessing a DB though [08:44] daubers: ah, didnt know that, interesting. [08:44] diplo: if you are using openerp and looking at postgres you are doing something wrong :) [08:44] hey brobostigon AlanBell , and the rest. [08:44] good morning to ya [08:44] heh AlanBell, I always want to look at products I'm going to use.. want to understand how to fix something if it goes wrong [08:45] morning knightwise [08:45] yeah, I am aware of one project that went very very wrong because a postgres "expert" went under the openerp API and started tinkering with tables directly [08:45] lol [08:47] Oh not tinkering for me, more administering like how to run the equivalent of mysqldump etc [08:47] pgdump [08:47] i only have drupal using sqlite, so should be ok, [08:47] ta [08:47] that is fine then :) and openERP does use the database quite sensibly I think (takes advantage of atomic transactions etc) [08:48] diplo: Sorry - pg_dump and pg_dumpall [08:49] Postgres is a little odd in that it typically has no "root" user. [08:49] You su to the postrges user and do most things from the cli [08:52] Well I'm at home in cli so that's good :) [08:53] Seems I've grabbed different version of openerp than your notes, different layout [08:53] The docs are pretty good - google usually shows me the right way ;-) [08:53] * diplo checks [08:53] there is phppgadmin and phadmin3 but I have not really used them beyond firing them up and deciding that I didn't need to know about the tables [08:53] diplo: Yes. [08:53] 6.1 is different. [08:53] See my comments from last night. No separate web client [08:53] no need to install second init scripts etc. [08:54] web interface listens on :8069 [08:54] by default [08:55] Good morning peeps [08:57] I don't have a bin directory etc, that was the biggest difference so far.. going through your example conf to see what else may need to change [08:58] As I also said last night ignore my conf scripts. ;-) [08:58] Ah, heh i did just scroll up and read [08:58] But missed that [09:04] Guten morgen! [09:12] this might be my favourite headline of the year http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9066337/CCTV-police-officer-chased-himself-after-being-mistaken-for-burglar.html [09:13] haha oops [09:14] "he's behind you!" and other pantomime-esque comments... [09:16] looks like the naked atlantic pedalo crossing record is still up for grabs http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-16929840 [09:20] Anyone know of something wiki-like that would work for simple network diagrams? [09:20] Just sticking ASCII-art into mediawiki's not quite ideal :) [09:21] I've been having great fun with dia [09:21] Not wiki like, but useful [09:22] yeah, we've tried that, but basically these need to be as quick adn easy and simple as possible to update else we just end up with outdated diagrams [09:23] so manual uploading etc. doesn't cut it [09:24] BigRedS: I've not used it, but LucidChart appears to be free for up to 2 concurrent users [09:26] BigRedS: http://www.asciiflow.com/ [09:26] popey: oh! I've not seen that before! [09:26] awesome [09:29] That is very cool [09:33] dwatkins: ah, that looks a bit less fun but a bit mroe useful also :) Ta [09:36] BigRedS: yeah, I really like popey's link, it solves the problem in a fun way too [09:56] i don't think i'll see a better website today than that one [09:59] oimon: have you not seen zombo.com ? [09:59] Hi, how do I completely remove mysql including all related info on users etc..? [10:02] TheAshMan: http://stuffthatspins.com/2011/01/08/ubuntu-10-x-completely-remove-and-clean-mysql-installation/ this help? [10:09] Good morning all! :D [10:11] Hidiho [10:12] A new world's hottest chilli. >2million scoville (That is insanely hot) [10:12] http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19909976 [10:13] I'm sure it's a lovely plant to grow. But what's the point in trying to make the hottest chilli if the human body can't cope with it? [10:14] Some people can :-D [10:15] * bigcalm shakes his head :P [10:16] MooDoo: No, I tried that, but after reinstalling, the mysql.user table still contained all the users I previously created. [10:17] bigcalm: afaik, indians think we're all wimps for our lack of chilli-eating ability [10:18] I'd probably 'drop databases' before uninstalling [10:19] popey: Including the mysql and info... DB's? [10:20] popey: if the actual database directories are removed, there's no need [10:21] bigcalm: they arent tho [10:21] unless you manually delete them, guess it doesnt make much difference either way [10:22] I see [10:22] One can manually remove them [10:22] where are the DB's located? [10:22] Uninstall mysql server and client then use locate to find anything mysql [10:23] TheAshMan: /var/lib/mysql [10:30] Thanks bigcalm [10:30] hi [10:31] my shutdwn icon has gone from my panel [10:31] right click the panel and select 'Add To Panel' Should be able to find the option in there [10:31] i can't right click using unity [10:31] at least you used to be able to :/ [10:31] yeah [10:32] eyah, just noticed. Sorry, my bad [10:32] np [10:32] it used to have my user name as a click point too, so i could click on that and change users, shut down etc [10:33] i wonder if thius is related to the fact that ubuntu-desktop got removed, i was unable to log inproperly as there was no actual desktop environment to boot into [10:35] zleap: open a terminal [10:35] zleap: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ [10:35] and look at what gets reinstalled [10:35] ok [10:35] paste the content of the terminal to the pastebin [10:37] http://pastebin.com/sfxA7zH4 [10:37] looks like i am already upto date [10:38] no [10:38] you missed the ^ off the end [10:38] do it again and add the ^ to the end and pastebin that please [10:39] ok sorry about that [10:41] http://pastebin.com/iJcG7qv9 [10:42] there we go [10:42] ah [10:42] you're missing some bits that are critical to the indicator area [10:42] i know, however when i scroll back it stops so i pasted everything [10:42] just press enter [10:42] to install the missing bits [10:43] ok [10:43] line 507 and 508 [10:43] thats what I'm talking about whats missing [10:43] not the scrollback [10:43] ok [10:43] thanks [10:44] installing now [10:44] you might need to logout/in after [10:44] ok [10:45] may restart then as my log out button is missing [10:45] but as it seems to be installing new kernel stuff then that should be ok [10:45] brb [10:49] popey, working now, thanks [10:50] np [10:52] popey: everybody you tell always misses off the ^. Are we carrot blind? [10:53] * BigRedS groans [10:53] need moar carrots [10:57] Is there some kind of CC/GPL type licence for open hardware projects? [10:57] daubers: yes [10:58] gordonjcp: What's it called? [10:58] you need MORE? geez! [10:58] * daubers passes gord some cake [10:59] nom [10:59] http://www.tapr.org/OHL ? [10:59] bigcalm: Yeah, having a read of that now [10:59] K [10:59] ta :) [10:59] yeah, I was just about to post that [11:00] the TAPR OHL is probably the longest running [11:00] Hnmmmm, CERN have one too [11:00] daubers: have you seen http://solderpad.com/ [11:01] danfish: No.... [11:01] oh yeah, Andrew Back's thing ;-) [11:01] morning all [11:02] czajkowski: prod, morning you happy hippy :D [11:03] mornig davmor2 czajkowski oh and congrats [11:04] * daubers reads moar legalese [11:04] MooDoo: here have a coffee [11:04] * bigcalm tries to get his head around 3des without much luck [11:05] bigcalm: around what now! [11:05] TripleDES [11:06] davmor2: thanks [11:06] MooDoo: you need to look at http://wakingupnow.com/blog/dolly-partons-other-voice when you can :) [11:06] davmor2, bigcalm - no time for trip south tomorrow, two weeks time? [11:06] gord: yeap [11:06] funky [11:06] gord: anyone would think it was like feature freeze next week or something [11:07] Client has a VB.NET script that encrypts and decrypts messages using 3des. I need to replicate this in PHP. Not having a grand time so far [11:07] gord: you said it would be touch and go. Understandable [11:09] #scribus [11:09] davmor2: we're a few days into February and I'm still lacking ICS on my Xoom. What gives? :P [11:10] cool, my IDE crashes if i use } - not like i need that character or anything [11:10] o.O [11:10] has anyone here got the newer HP Microserver? Not the N36L? [11:11] when people say that LTS dev releases are relatively stable, they reeeeeeeally are only talking about main ;) [11:11] bigcalm: it's motorola I've never known them release to schedule where did you get this bazaar notion that it would be feburary :D [11:11] davmor2: you! [11:12] bigcalm: all I said was that the xoom would be getting ICS and pointed you at the news on the T'interweb :P [11:12] gord: Is there some magic I can do to change how hard I have to push to the left to get the unity bar to appear? [11:12] daubers, ccsm somewhere [11:12] bigcalm: I didn't say when [11:12] gord: Ta :) [11:12] gord: use a better IDE? geany and nano ftw [11:13] I'm really happy with NetBeans [11:13] My Eclipse days are far behind me now [11:13] I like netbeans, I just wish it wasn't such a hugry soab [11:14] It isn't, compared to Eclipse [11:14] I installed eclipse because it seems that Android development is heavily tied into it [11:14] but it won't run on my PC [11:14] Mind, I did download the PHP only instance [11:14] and it's too hard to use anyway [11:18] bigcalm: no i hadn't seen that site either, but popeys site is better :D [11:20] Pfft [11:20] You can do anything on zombo.com [11:20] how are you today davmor2 ? [11:23] MooDoo: ello [11:23] davmor2: oi I'm no hippy! [11:23] hello czajkowski congrats on the job :) [11:23] MooDoo: I'm good dude, you? [11:23] thank you :-) [11:25] davmor2: meh! and czajkowski you're welcome, dead chuffed for you [11:25] czajkowski: Long hair and flowing dresses if ever there was a hippy it's you :P, and you're happy and happy and hippy went together so :P [11:27] davmor2: czajkowski = one stunning hippy i think you'll find :) [11:27] MooDoo: but the keyword there is still hippy ;) [11:29] ye lot are nutters [11:29] czajkowski: nah we're just smitten with your wonderous hippyesk beauty :) [11:29] lol [11:34] i agree with czajkowski [11:52] * bigcalm semi-regrets joining ##php [11:52] Not used to such a busy channel [11:53] heh bigcalm that's why i normally ask for help outside of there :) [11:54] diplo: I wasn't getting anywhere with google and here so thought I'd try there [11:54] Will try harder next time (pestering here that is) [11:54] heh [11:54] This still for the 3des thing ? [11:54] Yes [11:54] Never played myself I'm afraid [11:55] bigcalm: what about it? [11:55] The client has given me the password, but not the key or iv. Apparently I am able to derive those myself. Trying to understand VB.NET is a pain [11:55] Using mcrypt ? [11:56] Yes [11:58] VB.NET script I need to turn into PHP: http://www.vb-helper.com/howto_net_des_file.html [11:58] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1142477/using-mcrypt-to-decrypt-a-ciphertext-3des-cbc-mode [11:58] Using this as a base: http://mishu666.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/problem-and-solve-of-3des-incompatibilities-with-nets-tripledescryptoserviceprovider/ [11:59] diplo: indeed, except that I don't have any keys. This is why I'm trying to reverse engineer the vb.net script [11:59] 1st step was to realise that mcrypt wasn't installed on my dev server ;) [11:59] :/ [12:00] Great fun, guessing the reason is to put data available on a intranet? [12:00] hey mrevell where is the best place to ask some /lp/~user/+junk - bzr questions? [12:00] Gah! Thunderbird just popped up a reminder for tomorrow's work place day. Except I thought it meant it was today [12:00] * bigcalm hits dismiss with frustration [12:00] davmor2, #launchpad -- what's your question? [12:02] mrevell: I am using the whole system for syncing and publicising my testscripts whoever it doesn't seem to be syncing all the image changes :( [12:02] davmor2: you broke it [12:02] however even [12:03] davmor2, Syncing from where? Do you have a link to the branch where this is happening? [12:05] mrevell: local pc pushes to :parent with the changes however the changes aren't in the lp folder, link is lp:~davmor2/+junk/testscripts the free_app_install folder has the code changes but not the new images that the code relies on :( [12:06] davmor2, Let's move this to #launchpad [12:06] wilko [12:11] i made a video that is so long that totem thinks it is -52:-13 [12:11] and the file is 1mb [12:11] think i should upload it to youtube? [12:12] totem seems to overflow at about 264 hours [12:22] heylo [12:25] what has happened to bluefish in 10.10 [12:25] sorry 11.10 [12:26] ok found it, got removed during upgrade [12:41] afternoon afternoon === mattt_ is now known as mattt [12:41] hi [12:42] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgAZmSc5WS0 [12:42] the "short" version just finished processing :) [12:48] gord: popey is this normal. when applications are at max it goes behind the launcher. http://twitpic.com/8h810a/full [12:49] have you logged out / in since you updated the machine? [12:52] just seen a female student wearing tiny shorts outside. doesn't she know it's subzero temperatures? [12:52] oimon, It's fashion, weather doesn't come in to it! [12:52] popey: this morning nope [12:52] :P [12:53] czajkowski: update and then logout/in [12:53] oimon: Since you where watching her, she may have achieved her aim? [12:53] diplo: are blue legs fashionable? [12:53] There was a TV doc on exactly stuff like that recently, some girls out in liverpool with next to nothing on and asked about why there were like that at -5+ temps [12:53] And they basically said looks were more important than keeping warm [12:53] :/ [12:53] ah ha! [12:54] it's sports afternoon on wednesdays , so i guess she was going to play netball or something...but...trackkie bottoms? [12:54] gord: There's an option to change the sensitivity of the left push in the appearences thing now \o/ Much easier to get too [12:57] diplo, I am sure children / young people can't feel the cold in the same way adults do, [12:59] popey: sweet that fixed it [13:00] also whats with the new password login box, it's TINY, and you dont know if your cursor is in it [13:00] i'm beginning to see that unity is so-called because the options available to the user are converging on "one-way" of doing things [13:01] oimon: it's t-shirt weather here, where are you? [13:01] gordonjcp: under a blanket in my office [13:03] heh very true zleap, also since losing about 5 stone I now feel the cold everywhere :( [13:03] gordonjcp, near bath and it's still -2 ish here [13:03] diplo: this is one of the reasons I don't really want to lose any weight [13:03] And i think oimon is near reading [13:03] METAR EGPF 081250Z 12004KT 080V170 CAVOK 01/M03 Q1039 [13:03] So south :) [13:03] diplo: e london right now [13:03] 1C, -3 dew point [13:04] bright and sunny [13:04] If there wasn't a wind, I'd be fine but that wind chill is the killer [13:04] to be fair, nowhere in britain is 'tiny shorts weather' [13:10] * gordonjcp has been working 270' above ground level most of the morning, at just about the highest point in Glasgow [13:11] Well you have given away why you don't feel cold, well know fact Glaswegians don't feel it :D [13:11] czajkowski: bug i expect, just noticed myself [13:11] known* [13:12] My gran is from there, never has heating on at home :( [13:14] czajkowski: the launcher thing is gords fault, and don't believe him when he denies it fanatically ;) [13:15] anyone got any favourite am-i-on-any-spam-blacklist sites? [13:15] diplo: I'm not a Glaswegian [13:16] Oh :$ [13:29] looking for a http proxy that'll keep a complete copy of everything that passes; any suggestions? (debugging embedded devices, not stalking) [13:29] shauno: wireshark ;-) [13:30] heh, that's a pain in the rear to parse. trying to pull xml that's being posted to the server [13:33] shauno: Will squid not do that? [13:34] ew. squid. [13:35] I did have a nifty thing that, despite being written in java, was quite good for getting json out of the traffic. I can't remember what it was, though [13:35] trying to figure out if squid will do it atm. the documentation (and config) is fairly monstrous for atypical setups :/ [14:19] I love that we're trying to reverse-engineer our own devices because it's easier than getting documentation from bangalore :/ [14:23] shauno: http://mitmproxy.org/ ? [14:23] http://mclov.in/2012/02/08/path-uploads-your-entire-address-book-to-their-servers.html [14:24] * popey tickles gord with hud [14:30] Myrtti: that looks like a damned fine start, thanks [14:33] shauno: wrieshark -> "follow tcp stream" [14:33] i do it all the time to rip video from the bbc [14:33] er, i mean, i never do that [14:39] time to try out gnome-shell again [14:40] have been using gnome shell for quite a while now [14:40] i see this is still hilariously bad, but i'm hoping to get MGSE installed and maybe that will fix it [14:40] it's not changed appreciably recently as far as I can tell [14:40] I am using Debian's, though [14:41] https://extensions.gnome.org/ [14:41] why does the taskbar thing at the top only show the current application? [14:42] because the point of that taskbar at the top is simply to use up excess vertical pixels [14:42] lol two onscreen keyboards. [14:43] onboard *and* the gnome one (which is miles better than onboard btw) [14:44] the indicator menus are very racy [14:44] in the sense that they suffer from race conditions and do things you don't expect them to [14:45] https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/56/shutdown-by-default/ [14:45] whats that? [14:45] "This extension is incompatible with your version of GNOME." [14:46] One of the top issues with gnome shell is the lack of a shutdown option by default [14:46] i never shut down this machine [14:46] :-) [14:46] i won't be able to use this unless they fix the menus though [14:47] what's up with the menus? [14:47] when i click on say the accessability menu it activates high contrast mode 50% of the time [14:48] because the menus are too slow [14:48]