[00:00] <ochosi> (i think apart from bluebird those are the main two items i'll be involved in)
[00:02] <knome> madnick still haven't pushed the code
[00:02] <knome> huhu, stomach said TOILER
[00:02] <knome> *T
[00:02] <knome> had a quite hot meal @ nepalese today
[00:03] <knome> so anyway
[00:03] <knome> yes, shortcut keys need discussion
[00:03] <knome> will you be able to attend the meeting tomorrow(today) ?
[00:03] <knome> 18UTC
[00:03] <ochosi> hm, most likely not, i have a meeting @work/uni
[00:03] <knome> bah
[00:04] <knome> what about later?
[00:04] <ochosi> it's on each wednesday between 6 and 8pm
[00:04] <knome> aha..
[00:04] <ochosi> well after that usually drinks ;)
[00:04] <knome> lol
[00:04] <ochosi> i mean what i have to say about it have told you already
[00:04] <knome> yup
[00:04] <ochosi> i'm all for adding the app-shortcuts
[00:04] <ochosi> and i don't care whether we use the super-key or ctrl-alt (or both)
[00:05] <knome> want to make sure the wikipage is as finished as possible?
[00:05] <ochosi> for apps it's not that important
[00:05] <ochosi> although super tends to conflict less with within-app-shortcuts
[00:05] <knome> and of drinks...
[00:05] <ochosi> hm, we can give it a quick look
[00:05] <knome> we'll most probably be at berlin in april 5-11 or so
[00:05] <ochosi> aha
[00:06] <ochosi> i most likely won't be there then ;)
[00:06] <knome> hehe
[00:06] <knome> okay ;)
[00:06] <knome> if you change your mind though...
[00:06] <ochosi> hehe
[00:06] <ochosi> ok, i'll let you know then
[00:06] <ochosi> but i'm rarely in berlin
[00:06] <knome> cool ;)
[00:06] <ochosi> once or twice a year
[00:06] <knome> hah
[00:06] <knome> in that case i'm REALLY rarely to berlin
[00:07] <knome> will be my first time
[00:07] <knome> if TXL doesn't count
[00:07] <ochosi> haha
[00:07] <ochosi> i just spotted me and the other xfce-folks in a photo on planetubuntu
[00:07] <knome> wife's been there twice iirc
[00:07] <knome> really?
[00:07] <ochosi> yup
[00:10] <ochosi> knome: your wife has been on planetubuntu or @fosdem?
[00:11] <knome> lol
[00:11] <knome> i wish, in my naughtiest dreams
[00:12] <knome> well, not really actually :D
[00:12] <knome> just holidays and such
[00:14] <ochosi> anyway, where is that wiki-page again....
[00:14] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/DefaultShortcutKeys
[00:15] <knome> well, the one thing that needs review mostly
[00:15] <knome> is gmusicbrowser
[00:15] <knome> super+g(mb) or super+a(udio) ?
[00:15] <knome> yeah, i know m would be better, but..
[00:15] <ochosi> well those things will always conflict in some way
[00:16] <ochosi> i mean it doesn't even matter if you decide to use first-letters or functionality
[00:16] <knome> of course
[00:16] <ochosi> i'd use g
[00:16] <knome> but G really?
[00:16] <ochosi> a isn't intuitive or connected at all
[00:16] <ochosi> a could also show the mixer ;)
[00:16] <knome> but so isn't g :)
[00:16] <knome> hmm.
[00:17] <knome> what if that was super+1 ?
[00:17] <knome> we could bind a few more to 2-9
[00:17] <knome> that wouldn't be connected either, but at least it wouldn't be so "weird" either...
[00:18] <knome> +2 xchat
[00:18] <knome> +3 pidgin (is that installed by default?)
[00:18] <ochosi> yeah, but why not use 1 for browser, 2 for mail..?
[00:18] <knome> and maybe we should bind gnumeric and abiword too
[00:18] <knome> don't know
[00:18] <knome> that works for me too
[00:19] <knome> we're not going to fit them all in the numbers though
[00:19] <knome> because it kind of does not make sense we have a shortcut for gmb but not abiword
[00:20] <ochosi> maybe
[00:20] <ochosi> well users can decide for themselves too
[00:20] <ochosi> so a for abiword then? ;)
[00:20] <knome> hahah
[00:20] <knome> well
[00:21] <knome> i think super+W(eb) is a good idea
[00:21] <knome> so is terminal, mail
[00:21] <ochosi> yes
[00:21] <knome> and those linked to exo
[00:21] <ochosi> well yes, we can also say we start with exo-stuff
[00:21] <knome> the others could be just 1-9
[00:21] <knome> we should
[00:21] <ochosi> k, i'm fine with that actually
[00:21] <knome> because that's ideal imo
[00:21] <ochosi> right, then that's settled
[00:21] <knome> good
[00:21] <ochosi> and i can slowly think of going to bed
[00:22] <knome> this also gives users a good idea
[00:22] <ochosi> yes
[00:22] <knome> "hey, i can use super+1-9 for my apps"
[00:22] <knome> will you update the wiki or should i
[00:22] <ochosi> hopefully you can convince the others @meeting and we mr_pouit can push the changes
[00:22] <ochosi> if you can, that'd be great
[00:22] <knome> i can
[00:22] <ochosi> i'm already brushing my teeth
[00:22] <ochosi> ty :)
[00:22] <knome> can i'm sure i can at the meeting too
[00:22] <ochosi> yup, that's just as good
[00:23] <knome> i mean, this isn't breaking the system
[00:23] <knome> oh
[00:23] <knome> one more thing
[00:23] <knome> maybe add the fill-shortcuts for window manager
[00:23] <knome> but i'll see about that
[00:26] <ochosi> yup
[00:26] <ochosi> those are definitely useful
[00:26] <knome> hmm also
[00:26] <knome> we could quickly look at the order of the super+1-9 shortcuts tomorrow
[00:27] <knome> huhu
[00:28] <knome> super+F(iles)
[00:28] <ochosi> yup
[00:29] <ochosi> k, i'm off, night!
[00:29] <Unit193> Adios
[00:29] <knome> good night!
[00:54] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/DefaultShortcutKeys
[00:54] <knome> done
[00:55] <Unit193> Meh
[00:56] <knome> meh what?
[00:56] <Unit193> Well, you said window manager isn't going to really change?
[00:57] <knome> mostly it stays the same
[00:57] <Unit193> YES!
[00:57] <knome> we're only removing move+resize
[00:57] <knome> imo move is kind of eh
[00:57] <knome> because you need the mouse anyway
[00:57] <knome> and resize, mouse too
[00:57] <Unit193> I just use Alt+click and drag anywhere on window
[00:57] <knome> in addition to those, only "stick" changes
[00:58] <knome> and we are introducing new three shortcuts
[00:58] <knome> but two of those do not overlap with existing shortcuts
[01:00] <knome> right, actually
[01:00] <Unit193> In the end I'll just change to how I like it, not trying to be hard or anything
[01:00] <knome> i think the grab+move key could be changes
[01:00] <knome> but that's just me...
[01:00] <knome> well feel free to disagree and discuss now or in the meeting
[01:00] <knome> but i think this is a really delicate move
[01:00] <knome> do you use those keys that changed/removed much?
[01:01] <knome> if not, what's the problem :)
[01:01] <Unit193> Ctrl+alt+t I use
[01:01] <Unit193> Win+tab
[01:01] <knome> yeah, but those aren't changes
[01:01] <knome> *changed
[01:01] <knome> i mean, you had to add them previously as well
[01:02] <knome> and of course, upgrading doesn't break anything
[01:02] <knome> this is just for new installs
[01:02] <Unit193> To upgrade you reinstall ;)
[01:03] <knome> i don't
[01:03] <knome> but whatsoever
[01:03] <knome> you needed to change some keys with the old setup
[01:03] <knome> and you need to do that with new
[01:04] <knome> are we making life for you considerably harder?
[01:04] <knome> that's the important question :)
[01:04] <Unit193> knome: Again, just was making a light comment, nothing more. Also just happy the winmgr ones are basically the same
[01:05] <knome> yeah, good
[01:05] <Unit193> I think a few defaults are great
[01:05] <knome> i'm taking comments seriously
[01:05] <knome> because if users are using the stick shortcut much, changing it can be really bad
[01:06] <Unit193> I do not use it
[01:06] <knome> :)
[01:06] <knome> good
[01:06] <knome> what about move/resize?
[01:06] <knome> i'm thinking if it affects accessibility
[01:06] <knome> would those be essential for people who can't use a mouse?
[01:07] <Unit193> I use corners, title bar, and alt+drag
[01:07] <Unit193> alt+space is the method I have used, b ut Charlie is much better to ask
[01:08] <knome> ahh joy
[01:08] <knome> heh right so people can access them
[08:36] <knome> pleia2, hai?
[09:23] <ochosi> micahg: re: thunderbird: cool! is there any way to test it in oneiric? oh, and: i have a firefox-related question
[09:23] <micahg> ochosi: ppa:mozillateam/thunderbird-next
[09:24] <ochosi> micahg: is there any way to pass the "content-widget" of firefox white as base color and black as foreground color? it's kinda annoying to have dark bg with dark gtk-themes on pages that don't set the bg color
[09:24] <micahg> ochosi: can the firefox question wait a day, I'm trying to finish up some testing
[09:24] <ochosi> oh
[09:24] <ochosi> sry
[09:24] <ochosi> of course .)
[09:24] <ochosi> micahg: i'll ask you again tomorrow
[09:25] <ochosi> bbl
[09:25] <micahg> ochosi: you'd be better off asking chrisccoulson actualy :)
[09:25] <ochosi> k :)
[09:25] <Unit193> ochosi: I have Aurora and Earlybird
[10:54] <ochosi> Unit193: what'
[10:54] <ochosi> Unit193: what's that?
[10:55] <Unit193> Firefox and Tbird 12
[10:55] <ochosi> ah
[10:55] <ochosi> ok
[10:55] <Unit193> They're cooler ;)
[10:55] <ochosi> dunno mozilla-codenames ;)
[10:55] <ochosi> knome: yay! unico-stuff is merged as of today!
[10:58] <ochosi> knome: do i have to do anything else than set the bug-status to "fix released" to get the workitem marked as done?
[11:03] <ochosi> micahg, knome: yay for tb-devs! http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-02082012-120329pm.php
[12:55] <mr_pouit> meh, gtk3 theming looks ugly in precise right now (icons with a grey background, it feels like displaying png with an alpha channel using internet explorer 5, and some colors not respected)
[13:01] <mr_pouit> 13:59  seb128: diwic, it's a gtk change how theming work, Cimi has to catch up and update our themes game
[14:30] <ochosi> mr_pouit: yes, i got a similar reply from Cimi about that directly
[14:36] <mr_pouit> Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:60:16: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
[14:36] <mr_pouit> mmh, I'll need to retest with the current git master
[14:37] <mr_pouit> (but the fixed unico engine still shows ugly things with greybird)
[14:37] <ochosi> well i haven't looked at what changed in unico
[14:37] <ochosi> best/easiest thing would be to test it with ambiance and to see what they changed there
[14:38] <ochosi> so if you could take a quick look at it with that theme, that'd be great help
[14:39] <mr_pouit> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/92313122/light-themes_0.1.8.27.2_0.1.8.28.diff.gz
[14:39] <mr_pouit> "Updated to work with gtk 3.3.14, requires new unico"
[14:39] <ochosi> gah...
[14:40] <mr_pouit> but it's probably hidden among all the changes :/
[14:40] <ochosi> well ok, it's a trivial (but annoying) change
[14:40] <ochosi> all unico-stuff needs units now
[14:40] <ochosi> but i'm wondering why they're doing that
[14:40] <ochosi> i mean they know it'll break a lot of themse
[14:40] <ochosi> themes
[14:40] <ochosi> and it must be unrelated to whatever gtk-changes have been going on
[14:40] <ochosi> "px" can easily be appended by the engine
[14:43] <mr_pouit> -.menubar.menuitem:hover,
[14:43] <mr_pouit> -.menubar .menuitem *:hover {
[14:43] <mr_pouit> +.menubar.menuitem:hover {
[14:43] <mr_pouit> there's also that maybe?
[14:45] <mr_pouit> (they changed a few things like that)
[14:46] <ochosi> yeah, i might have to take a closer look later
[14:46] <ochosi> i really hope this doesn't break greybird on earlier versions of unico
[14:46] <ochosi> otherwise the branching-fun starts...
[17:19] <pleia2> knome: you say hai at midnight:30, I was asleeping :)
[17:27] <knome> pleia2, heh, right :)
[17:27] <knome> i can't remember...
[17:33] <astraljava> Wonder what your wife says to that, you whispering to the ears of american women at nights.
[17:33] <knome> well, she always says i should have more hobbies
[17:33] <knome> doesn't that count?
[17:33] <pleia2> lol
[17:33] <astraljava> I'm gonna bring this into her attention next week, and we'll see about that.
[17:34] <knome> astraljava, i just remembered we can't accommodate you after all
[17:34] <knome> ;)
[17:34] <astraljava> Heheheh. :)
[17:34] <knome> (just kidding)
[17:34] <knome> planning a bachelor party for a friend
[17:35] <astraljava> Hmm... what's this? Tom's Hardware says Canonical stops supporting Kubuntu?
[17:35] <knome> yes
[17:35] <knome> that's what riddell posted to the kubuntu mailing list too
[17:35] <knome> well, stops *financially* supporting kubuntu :)
[17:35] <astraljava> Yeah.
[17:36] <astraljava> Too bad.
[17:37] <knome> i don't know.
[17:37] <pleia2> I'm glad all the flavors are on a level playing field now, their support of kubuntu was always kind of strange
[17:37] <knome> kind of sucks, because that means xubuntu can't get financial support ever, but on the other hand, other flavors have coped too
[17:37] <pleia2> they dropped support for edubuntu a while back (remember edubuntu CDs? I do!)
[17:37] <knome> definitely agreed on that, pleia2 
[17:38] <astraljava> Yeah well, they (KDE project) have produced some pretty outstanding bits and pieces, reaching further than just the DE.
[17:38] <pleia2> apachelogger had a good post about it
[17:39] <knome> pleia2, link? :)
[17:39] <pleia2> a lot of the news articles have been a real kick in the face to developers other than riddell
[17:39] <astraljava> knome: KVG
[17:39] <pleia2> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/how-kubuntu-did-not-change/
[17:39] <knome> astraljava, hahah
[17:40] <knome> astraljava, if it's true what my friend told to me, he launched that term when being a speaker in radio NRJ ;)
[17:40] <astraljava> Heheh, interesting.
[17:52] <knome> okay, meeting soon
[18:03] <knome> so, who's here for the meeting??
[18:03] <astraljava> o/
[18:03] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
[18:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Feb  8 18:03:46 2012 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:04] <knome> anybody else, or are we going to have a quiet one?
[18:04] <knome> let's wait for a few mins
[18:04] <pleia2> o/
[18:05] <knome> GridCube, madnick, micahg, scott-work, Unit193 ?
[18:05] <knome> oh well, let's start
[18:06] <knome> #topic Business carried on
[18:06] <knome> #subtopic Default shortcut keys
[18:07] <knome> #info there is a final specification of the default shortcut keys at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/DefaultShortcutKeys
[18:07] <knome> anybody have feedback about that?
[18:07] <knome> #info the specification mostly adds application shortbuts, but very slightly changes wm shortcuts too
[18:08] <knome> since there's been quite a lot of time to give feedback about the older or even the newest version, i'm supposing everybody have had their word...
[18:08] <knome> let's vote: yay (+1) or nay (-1) for the changes as is
[18:09] <knome> #vote Default shortcut keys: changes OK?
[18:09] <meetingology> Please vote on: Default shortcut keys: changes OK?
[18:09] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[18:09] <knome> +1
[18:09] <meetingology> +1 received from knome
[18:09] <astraljava> +1
[18:09] <meetingology> +1 received from astraljava
[18:09] <pleia2> +1
[18:09] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[18:09] <knome> anybody else?
[18:10] <knome> #endvote
[18:10] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Default shortcut keys: changes OK?
[18:10] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[18:10] <meetingology> Motion carried
[18:10] <knome> #nick mr_pouit 
[18:10] <knome> #action mr_pouit to upload new default shortcuts to xubuntu-default-settings
[18:10] <meetingology> ACTION: mr_pouit to upload new default shortcuts to xubuntu-default-settings
[18:10] <knome> #topic Team updates
[18:11] <knome> #subtopic Packaging and Development
[18:11] <knome> (again, please use #info on all updates)
[18:12] <knome> #nick micahg 
[18:12] <knome> #info mr_pouit and micahg worked on getting the Shimmer Project themes moved to shimmer-themes
[18:12] <knome> #info mr_pouit fixed alacarte - it's no longer pulling in half of GNOME, and it will work with OnlyShowIn=XFCE
[18:13] <knome> #info astraljava has been working on ubiquity "app sets"
[18:14] <knome> i think that was it, anything else comes to mind?
[18:14] <knome> #nick madnick
[18:15] <knome> #action madnick to provide sources for the new lightdm and plymout theme ASAP
[18:15] <meetingology> ACTION: madnick to provide sources for the new lightdm and plymout theme ASAP
[18:16] <knome> #subtopic Bug Triage, Testing and Documentation
[18:16] <knome> anybody?
[18:16] <pleia2> it would be great to get some blog posts out there about these topics
[18:16] <pleia2> I'm drafting one about testing that I'll pass along to charlie to proof
[18:17] <knome> okay, great
[18:17] <knome> #action pleia2 to raise publicity on triaging, testing and docs
[18:17] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to raise publicity on triaging, testing and docs
[18:17] <knome> we don't seem to have anybody in to summarize actions, so let's move forward
[18:18] <knome> #subtopic Marketing, Artwork and Website
[18:18] <knome> #info New website is released!
[18:18] <pleia2> yay!
[18:18] <knome> #ino Wallpaper nearly finished!
[18:18] <knome> #info Wallpaper nearly finished!
[18:18] <pleia2> now that it's released I have some marketing ideas I want to work on
[18:18] <knome> #info pleia2 has been keeping the Twitter feed up-to-date!
[18:18] <knome> sure
[18:19] <pleia2> I keep getting asked about whether there are xubuntu t-shirts (and other stuff), there isn't
[18:19] <pleia2> #info do we want to start a zazzle.com store?
[18:19] <knome> do you think just a plain logo-model would be okay?
[18:19] <pleia2> (or cafe press)
[18:19] <pleia2> yes
[18:19] <pleia2> just a big ole mouse on the front, maybe xubuntu.org on the back
[18:20] <knome> #action pleia2 and knome to work on t-shirt designs and come up with a proposal on the design and the webstore to plug in
[18:20] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 and knome to work on t-shirt designs and come up with a proposal on the design and the webstore to plug in
[18:20] <knome> that fine?
[18:20] <pleia2> yep
[18:20] <knome> other ideas? :)
[18:20] <pleia2> #info the other idea is fliers for conferences
[18:20] <pleia2> color, black and white, full sheet and 4/page handouts
[18:20] <knome> #info possible webstores for t-shirts: cafepress, zazzle
[18:21] <pleia2> at SCALE I found myself telling a lot of people about xubuntu when they wanted "old gnome" but not having info to give out
[18:21] <knome> i can help designing those, but would we be offering the ready-to-print PDF's or what?
[18:21] <pleia2> yeah, SVGs and PDFs
[18:21] <knome> right
[18:21] <pleia2> .
[18:21] <knome> do we expect people to send them to press, or just print at home/office printer?
[18:22] <pleia2> both
[18:22] <pleia2> which is why we want color and B&W
[18:22] <knome> right...
[18:22] <pleia2> I'll probably just print out 4/page ones on blue paper with my B&W printer
[18:22] <knome> mm-hmm
[18:22] <knome> #action pleia2 to gather content for flyers
[18:22] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to gather content for flyers
[18:22] <knome> #action knome to design flyers
[18:22] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to design flyers
[18:23] <pleia2> that's all I've got for this topic :)
[18:23] <knome> righto
[18:23] <knome> #action pleia2 to set up a wikipage with all ideas
[18:23] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to set up a wikipage with all ideas
[18:23] <knome> ;)
[18:24] <knome> #subtopic General updates
[18:24] <knome> i'm hungry
[18:24] <knome> anybody else need to get something off their chest?
[18:24] <astraljava> I'm going to sleep.
[18:24] <knome> good night
[18:24] <pleia2> knome: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing
[18:24] <knome> ahh! :)
[18:24] <pleia2> just need to move "further ideas" up to "current projects" :)
[18:24] <knome> nice ;)
[18:24] <knome> yep
[18:25] <knome> great
[18:25] <knome> #topic Other Business
[18:25] <knome> #subtopic New wallpaper
[18:25] <knome> #info New wallpaper draft has been available at http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/wall-9-preview.png
[18:25] <knome> any feedback?
[18:25] <pleia2> (I still don't like the bird)
[18:26] <knome> heh, we're probably going to add a fisher and a boa too
[18:26] <knome> +t
[18:26] <knome> to the left side
[18:26] <knome> so those who don't like birds can use the left-side
[18:26] <astraljava> boa would rock
[18:26] <knome> astraljava, i'm sure, especially if it's windy
[18:26] <pleia2> sounds good
[18:27] <knome> #vote New wallpaper: Looks OK, fine with us to upload to Xubuntu with minor changes?
[18:27] <meetingology> Please vote on: New wallpaper: Looks OK, fine with us to upload to Xubuntu with minor changes?
[18:27] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[18:27] <knome> +1
[18:27] <meetingology> +1 received from knome
[18:27] <astraljava> +1
[18:27] <meetingology> +1 received from astraljava
[18:27] <pleia2> +1
[18:27] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[18:27] <knome> anybody else?
[18:27]  * knome is kind of bored with this meeting :P
[18:28] <knome> #endvote
[18:28] <meetingology> Voting ended on: New wallpaper: Looks OK, fine with us to upload to Xubuntu with minor changes?
[18:28] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[18:28] <meetingology> Motion carried
[18:28] <astraljava> Heheh. :)
[18:28] <knome> #action knome to finalize wallpaper
[18:28] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to finalize wallpaper
[18:28] <knome> #action mr_pouit to upload wallpaper to repo
[18:28] <meetingology> ACTION: mr_pouit to upload wallpaper to repo
[18:28] <knome> #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting
[18:28] <knome> #action micahg and mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise
[18:28] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg and mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise
[18:29] <knome> #action ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu
[18:29] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu
[18:29] <knome> #subtopic Any other business
[18:29] <knome> anything?
[18:29] <astraljava> I've been stalling with the ubiquity part.
[18:30] <astraljava> But I intend to finish it by FF.
[18:30] <knome> do you expect to get it done for FF?
[18:30] <knome> ok, good
[18:30] <astraljava> Which probably means during the upcoming weekend.
[18:30] <knome> if you can't, tell us in advance and we'll seek for exception
[18:30] <astraljava> Sure.
[18:31] <knome> #info we're under the mainline at burndown: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-xubuntu.html
[18:31] <knome> #endmeeting
[18:31] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb  8 18:31:27 2012 UTC.  
[18:31] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-02-08-18.03.moin.txt
[18:31] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-02-08-18.03.html
[18:31] <knome> thanks pleia2 and astraljava 
[18:31] <astraljava> Thank you!
[18:31] <knome> and woot, new meetingology links
[18:31] <knome> yay yay
[18:31] <knome> much better
[18:32] <knome> still not perfect, but better
[18:32] <pleia2> thanks knome :)
[18:32] <astraljava> yep, much better.
[18:32] <knome> np
[18:32] <knome> great to get things forward
[18:36] <knome> meeting minutes up
[18:37]  * pleia2 adds to UWN
[18:37] <knome> thanks :)
[18:42] <pleia2> aaand tweeted
[18:45] <knome> sent mail to ubuntu-release
[19:25] <madnick> knome: 1 day early? ;)
[19:26] <knome> hah
[19:27] <knome> madnick, can you please provide the sources for lightdm and plymouth to mr_pouit ?
[19:27] <madnick> hm, lightdm probably, plymouth nope, plymouth atm is just a bug fix and a start for the game
[19:28] <knome> can you upload what you have on the plymouth?
[19:28] <madnick> i suppose
[19:28] <knome> better to get those in first
[19:28] <knome> then upload updates
[19:28] <knome> if the game isn't ready, then it isn't
[19:28] <knome> but we need the basic stuff by FF
[19:28] <madnick> yup
[19:28] <madnick> i acctually
[19:29] <madnick> dedicated friday, saturday and sunday to work on the last bits
[19:29] <knome> great :)
[19:29] <knome> that's very much appreciated
[19:29] <madnick> these past 2 months have been extremly hard to get *any* work done
[19:29] <knome> yeah, i've noticed you've been busy
[19:30] <madnick> i will create a branch on lp and upload the stuff i have atm
[19:33] <knome> great
[19:34] <knome> i just talked to dpm about the translations too
[19:34] <knome> that's another reason why we'd like to have it ASAP :)
[19:34] <madnick> yeah, acctually i am a bit confused of how to pull that off, since its not GTK, but one could probably emulate that
[19:35] <olbi> hello guys :D
[19:36] <olbi> I have now Edge HD3 for testing with E-450 and Radeon HD 6300, testing Xubuntu 11.10, works fine, but drivers from AMD are shits :P
[19:44] <baizon> olbi: indeed :(
[19:44] <baizon> got the same hardware
[19:58] <olbi> :)
[19:58] <olbi> but Ion is working great :D
[19:59] <olbi> I wonder, why in repo 11.10 there isn't nvidia 290.xx yet ;/
[20:07] <micahg> sorry,  meant to remind people I wouldn't be around
[20:44] <Unit193> Seems I may have missed it too
[21:01] <knome> :P
[23:46] <ochosi> knome: what did i miss?
[23:47] <knome> ochosi, the meeting?
[23:47] <knome> ochosi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2012-02-08
[23:49] <ochosi> k, read it
[23:49] <ochosi> so the kb-shortcuts are done, that's good
[23:50] <knome> yeah, just need mr_pouit to push them
[23:50] <ochosi> mhm
[23:50] <ochosi> btw, the ubiquity screenshots could be done in oneiric anytime
[23:50] <knome> note how delicately i was able to remind him
[23:50] <ochosi> all we need is thunderbird
[23:50] <ochosi> and software center (i think)
[23:50] <knome> well, tb is a must
[23:51] <knome> if you can take the screenshot, i can update it right away
[23:51] <ochosi> i don't have tb installed here (don't use it :) )
[23:51] <knome> how do i apply the fix to oneiric?
[23:51] <ochosi> btw, "gather list of goodlooking wps" should be postponed imo
[23:52] <ochosi> just use the ppa micahg mentioned earlier
[23:52] <knome> ==postponed
[23:52] <ochosi> ppa:mozillateam/thunderbird-next
[23:52] <knome> right
[23:52] <knome> did he say if that is stable?
[23:52] <ochosi> no
[23:52] <knome> okay
[23:52] <ochosi> i dunno what the status of that is
[23:53] <ochosi> to the worst you can downgrade
[23:53] <knome> micahg, how stable is ppa:mozillateam/thunderbird-next?
[23:53] <ochosi> i think we don't have enough space for the wallpapers anyway atm
[23:53] <ochosi> and it'd be best if they were updated upstream
[23:53] <ochosi> soo, one less thing to worry about .)
[23:54] <knome> yeah
[23:54] <ochosi> so mostly it's the bluebird port for me now
[23:54] <knome> i'm quite amazed - @XubuntuLinux has 7 tweets, and we have 173 followers
[23:54] <ochosi> i hope i can do that soon, actually i'm not too optimistic
[23:54] <ochosi> ah nice
[23:54]  * ochosi never used twitter
[23:55] <knome> i used it for two tweets and 5 minutes
[23:55] <knome> then removed my account
[23:55] <knome> what about theming maybe-ubiquity?
[23:55] <ochosi> don't even know what that is :)
[23:55] <knome> i hear its color is not optimal
[23:55] <knome> the installer
[23:56] <knome> where you select if you want to install or try
[23:56] <ochosi> you mean the graphical one or the startup screen?
[23:56] <knome> tbh, i'm not really sure :|
[23:56] <knome> but i think both
[23:56] <knome> it was added for precise
[23:56] <knome> so if you're thinking oneiric, you're outdated
[23:58] <ochosi> aha
[23:58] <ochosi> i guess that's all i'm thinking :)
[23:58] <ochosi> i don't have much free space since i switched from hdd to ssd
[23:58] <knome> heh
[23:58] <knome> i see
[23:59]  * knome gets shivers from ólafur arnalds' "this place is a shelter"