afiestas_apachelogger: is there any way of you getting me a package in a few minutes? hour?00:07
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ScottKshadeslayer: Cool.02:33
ScottKyofel: Not sure.  Way to busy with $WORK to have an opinion.02:34
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DarkwingRiddell: What is bandwidth usage of your ec2?04:20
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micahgfabo: do you see any reason not to sync mlt from Debian? It builds in Ubuntu now05:29
bambee_afiestas: www.afiestas.org/appmenu-runner-meet-the-kde-hud/ <--- your link is broken (the direct link to the ogv)08:21
bambee_nice work !!! really :D08:25
bambee_(I found the flash video)08:26
afiestasbambee_: isn't the youtube video working for yo? (link fixed)09:20
apacheloggerafiestas: I could right now09:23
apacheloggeractually I cannot09:23
* apachelogger doesn't have the right ssh/gpg keys with him09:23
apacheloggerafiestas: isn't  a Plasma HID09:26
apacheloggerrater than a KDE HUD?09:26
afiestasapachelogger: I'm part o the KDE community so it is KDE's09:27
apacheloggerthen it'd be KDE's HUD09:27
apacheloggerKDE HUD is counter productive to the rebranding foobar IMMHO09:27
afiestasagreed, too late :p09:27
apacheloggerwhy? you can change titles, no? :P09:28
afiestaspseeeee pseeeee pseeee09:28
apacheloggerrekonq does not know how to handle this protocol: http09:28
apachelogger<3 updates09:28
afiestasapachelogger: would you like something else my sir? maybe a cup of tea ?09:29
apacheloggerafiestas: yes09:29
apacheloggerkubotu: tea, earl grey, hot09:29
apacheloggerkubotu: order tea, earl grey, hot09:29
* kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain apachelogger.09:29
afiestascaptain? that's one of your many names I suppose xd09:29
apacheloggerthe many names of the master09:32
apacheloggercould be a good book09:32
apacheloggersomeone please write it09:32
apacheloggera collaboration between nixternal and Nightrose maybe :)09:33
apacheloggerwhy is it that rekonq is using 8% of cpu09:33
apachelogger(biggest consumer on my otherwise rather idle system)09:34
apacheloggeroh, perhaps because of the busy indicators on the favorites page09:34
apacheloggerwhich would be silly09:34
apacheloggeralso scary09:34
apacheloggermostly silly though09:34
apacheloggerno, that is not it -.-09:34
apacheloggeroh great09:35
apacheloggermuon is broken09:35
afiestasyou don't know it but the budy indicators are there to hypnotize developers on working harder to their project09:35
apacheloggerafiestas: that makes sense09:35
apacheloggerthe busy indicators are rubbish TBH09:35
apacheloggerway too big09:35
apacheloggerway too busy09:35
apacheloggerway to dizzyfying09:35
afiestasapachelogger: btw, how is phonon-qml doing? dragon player 3? that stuff? have been looking forward to it :/09:36
apacheloggerd3 needs a ui concept from a professional09:36
afiestasmaybe you can ask Balaz to do it 09:37
apacheloggerI do not know this peson09:37
apacheloggerafiestas: please ask him :)09:37
* apachelogger is too shy to ask people for ui concepts09:38
apacheloggerwhich reminds me09:38
afiestasapachelogger: Björn Balazs guy of http://www.opensource-usability-labs.com/09:38
apacheloggerrbelem: did you ever get a ui for uds app?09:38
afiestasbut he is not going to do magic for you, you have to work with him and develop together the concept09:38
afiestashe knows about usability but he doesn't know about the app you want to do09:38
apacheloggermy rekonq is broken09:41
afiestasI suspect firefox have sleeps hidden somewhere near a if (usingKDE()) 09:43
afiestaswith my new computer rekonq is fast as hell, chrome fas as hell everything (nepomuk and akonadi included) are fast as hell09:43
afiestaseverything but firefox09:43
apacheloggerI blame gee tee kay09:48
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apacheloggerafiestas: so where can I find this master on the irc?09:50
afiestasapachelogger: not sure he is an irc fan, you may want to email him09:51
* apachelogger is not a fan of email :P09:51
afiestasI have work with him in the solid sprint and actually blog about what we did, is quite awesome09:51
yofelafiestas: got a package yet?09:53
afiestasyofel: nope apachelogger working on it09:54
apacheloggeryofel: please be making the package09:54
apacheloggerthe packaging is there09:54
apacheloggerand Quintasan_ said it looks sane09:54
apacheloggerso you only need to pack it up09:54
yofelwhere's the source?09:54
apacheloggerkubuntu-packager & kde git09:55
* yofel wonders where he put putty...09:55
apacheloggerI lol'd09:55
apacheloggeralso wrong OS :P09:55
yofelwell, blame my school, they have only one CentOS room that's locked all the time -.-09:55
apacheloggerwe have dual boots with cent everywhere09:56
yofelI even had to trick my server firewall to send ssh traffic to a port that isn't blocked in the firewall here09:56
apacheloggercent is not the best of things09:56
* yofel found putty09:56
yofelafiestas: what's the repository name?09:57
yofelon git.kde09:58
apacheloggersee his blog post09:59
Tm_Tafiestas: good work with that btw10:00
yofelgood point10:00
* yofel adds an import on launchpad while at it10:01
yofelafiestas: https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/ppa/+packages10:18
dholbachyofel, you mentioned that there's public PPAs for testing SRUs beforehand10:21
dholbachshall I add a link to the article about them?10:22
yofelwell, we post which one is used in our announcements on kubuntu.org. So maybe just link to one of those as an example: http://www.kubuntu.org/kde-sc-47410:25
dholbachmaybe I should link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu then?10:25
yofelpeople should only use the one that's mentioned. As experimental and staging aren't usually supposed to be used 10:25
Tm_Tstaging isn't supposed to be used at all10:26
yofelwell, that page could be used, but needs an update10:26
yofelit's mostly right though10:27
dholbachQuintasan_, rbelem: folks mentioned you as the Kubuntu ARM experts - how are things looking for 12.04?10:32
* yofel wonders if he should buy himself an pandaboardES or just get a spark as soon as it's available...10:34
apacheloggeryofel: spark10:50
apacheloggeryofel: I think we are covered WRT reference boards :)10:50
yofelspark it is then10:50
yofelI don't have a tablet yet anyway10:51
apacheloggeryofel: actually you should talk to aaron to get the device earlier10:51
yofelhm, good idea10:51
yofelI'll send him a mail later10:53
* yofel goes home 10:53
apacheloggergreat, now rekonqs load is gone10:54
apacheloggerawesome -.-10:54
shadeslayerI think I broke my install this morning10:56
* shadeslayer doesn't really remember10:56
* apachelogger did a new install this morning :P10:56
shadeslayerdpkg complained about something something libc610:57
shadeslayerI clicked on Yes and all hell broke lose10:57
shadeslayerAtleast it boots, I can't afford to do another clean install10:58
apachelogger!find qdbusviewer11:28
ubottuFile qdbusviewer found in qt4-bin-dbg, qt4-dev-tools, qt4-doc-html11:28
shadeslayerapachelogger: re installing stuff :D11:30
apacheloggermore like doing work11:34
Tm_TKubuntu! http://my-ubuntu-day.blogspot.com/2012/02/ubuntu-hour-in-rondebosch-this-saturday.html11:35
apacheloggercomputational error, now shutting down11:44
shadeslayerapachelogger: Any ideas what this means ; E: Internal Error, No file name for libc611:48
shadeslayerthat's when doing sudo apt-get -f install11:48
yofeltry to install libc6 with dpkg? (if you have the .deb in the cache)11:51
* yofel is just upgrading libc6 himself11:51
shadeslayerI can try11:51
shadeslayerbut shouldn't that be reported if it's a bug11:51
shadeslayeryofel: http://i.imgur.com/5sqxI.png11:53
yofelI choose yes, and kdm survived11:54
yofelI'll reboot later anyway11:54
shadeslayeralso, still have the problem11:54
shadeslayerInstalling libc6_2.15\~pre6-0ubuntu10_amd64.deb   solved the issue11:55
shadeslayeryofel: could you also test from ppa:rohangarg/nightly ?11:57
shadeslayereverything built last night11:57
yofelI'll be gone for an hour or so, will test then11:57
shadeslayerTelepathy KDE should be good to go in a hour12:43
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apachelogger"We are sorry, rekonq closed unexpectedly"13:31
apacheloggera hell of a lot good that does, that you are sorry while all my data is lost in ram13:31
yofelapachelogger: calm down, make a cup of tea, then try again13:32
apacheloggertry again to loose me data?13:32
yofelwell... what else am I supposed to say? -.-13:32
apacheloggerso, things apachelogger needs to fork so that he feels obgliated to make them not crash: plasma, rekonq13:33
* yofel wonders in the meanwhile why dconf-editor doesn't have a search function...13:33
apacheloggeroh right, plasma also crashed earlier13:33
apacheloggerfor no apparent reason13:33
apacheloggeras plasma usually does13:33
BluesKajHi all13:35
yofelok, now dconf-editor froze13:35
yofelwhat a nice piece of software13:35
yofelhey BluesKaj13:36
apacheloggermuch like all the other free software13:36
* apachelogger reboots into windows 813:36
BluesKajhi yofel 13:36
BluesKajwhat purpose does the dconf-editor have ?13:45
BluesKajyofel,  ^13:45
yofelmuch the same as gconf-editor - I was trying to dig through my gnome settings as I messed something up there13:45
yofelnow this is fun, trying to run gnome-tweak-tool in kubuntu doesn't work at all. Seems you need to run a full gnome session to change any gnome settings13:55
yofelthanks to everything running over dbus13:55
shadeslayeryofel: wait, then the tool should start a session if something is missing13:55
yofelah, on second try gnome-tweak-tool isn't totally unresponsive13:56
apachelogger"We are sorry, KDE Control Module closed unexpectedly."13:56
apacheloggerI lol'd13:56
yofelshadeslayer: well, I already filed a bug about it not depending on gnome-settings-daemon13:56
yofelas it core dumped without that13:56
apacheloggerso on a new setup of 11.10 I can make plasma go kaboom, I can go rekonq go kaboom and random kcms13:56
apacheloggersomething seems utterly wrong13:56
* shadeslayer wonders if he can make apachelogger go kaboom13:56
shadeslayerapachelogger: PPA revu's are awesome13:56
apacheloggerso is unity13:57
yofelshadeslayer: with the daemon the terminal output looks like this: http://paste.kde.org/20576013:57
shadeslayerdoes it have DBus shit ? 13:57
shadeslayerI can't look at DBus again13:57
* shadeslayer goes blind13:58
apacheloggerwhat's your problem with dbus?13:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: it sucks, end of topic13:58
apacheloggerat least it does not 'close unexpectedly'13:58
shadeslayeryeah it explodes13:58
* shadeslayer sends some love to his sockets13:58
apacheloggeryofel: I am all python for you13:59
yofel"dear user, we're sorry, but a d-BUS crashed into your system"13:59
shadeslayergit by a d-BUS? :P13:59
apacheloggerpyth0rn is such a silly language it makes me barf14:00
shadeslayer"pyth0rn is such a silly language it makes me barf gLib"14:01
* shadeslayer kicks launchpad for not publishing packages14:01
yofelseen vala yet?14:01
yofelwhoever invented that was a total java fanboy14:02
shadeslayerseen mindfuck?14:02
kubotushadeslayer meant: "seen brainfuck?"14:02
yofel*that* yes ^^14:02
yofelperfectly sane implementation14:02
yofelcompared to launchpadlib14:03
* shadeslayer wonders what would happen if he wrote a string of 0's and 1's in a file and executed it14:03
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* yofel is impressed how "advanced" gnome-tweak-tool is, you need to be advanced enough to know what every setting means without it saying what it is!14:05
apacheloggervery dark14:08
shadeslayerprecise testers needed : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+packages14:09
ubottuTesting help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James14714:09
BluesKajshadeslayer,  I hope you guys don't mind. I think I'll sit this one out , since I don't run telepathy at all 14:18
shadeslayersure no problem :)14:18
dholbachyofel, Riddell, shadeslayer and everyone else: does http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/02/09/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-13/ look alright to you?14:46
shadeslayerstupid chrome14:48
apacheloggeruse rekonq14:48
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah opened fine in that14:49
shadeslayerand boom14:49
dholbachdamn, I seem to be too stupid to embed a video14:49
BluesKajapachelogger,  I tried using rekonq , wished it would work well etc , i gave it a chance , but it's not very stable , it's unrelaible14:49
dholbachwordpress always removes it again14:50
BluesKajdholbach,  opens fine on chromium here14:50
shadeslayerdholbach: " to be made we get the source tarballs a " , shouldn't that read as, " ... all distro packagers get the source tarballs ..."14:51
dholbachBluesKaj, is the video shown in the post?14:51
dholbachshadeslayer, ok, changing it - thanks :)14:52
apacheloggerBluesKaj: rekonq unreliable, you must be kidding :P14:52
apacheloggerit reliably crashes once per day14:53
Riddelldholbach: I can't read it but it looks fine at a glance14:53
shadeslayerstupid glib14:54
BluesKajapachelogger,  it is for me , unfortunately , and dholbach, I see some images there , but no video14:54
dholbachRiddell, no worries, take it easy :)14:54
dholbachyeah, we're working out the video bit now14:54
apacheloggershadeslayer: what's all this ranting about glib about?14:55
BluesKajapachelogger, I tell you what ..I'll reinstall rekonq and report back 14:55
apacheloggeractually I think most rekonq issues might come from qtwebkit14:55
apacheloggerof which we have a snapshot or something14:55
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/205802/14:57
shadeslayer*grumble* flash *grumble*14:58
ghostcubehmm, will there be any change if ubuntu wont be paying for kubuntu any longer?15:04
Riddellgnomefreak: the change is in what I can do on my work time15:05
debfxyofel: I have already filed a bug about apparmor rules needed to support oxygen-gtk: bug #914382 15:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 914382 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "Support oxygen gtk theme in abstractions/gnome" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91438215:06
ghostcubeRiddell: ah ok 15:06
BluesKajapachelogger,  crashes , on igoogle  with, "Executable: rekonq PID: 4184 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)"15:08
apacheloggerand what is the backtrace?15:09
dholbachalright, posted to omg as well15:12
BluesKajapachelogger,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/835318/15:12
dholbachthanks guys!15:12
yofeldebfx: ah, I had filed one about evince15:16
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shadeslayeryofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/92938415:18
ubottuUbuntu bug 929384 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "nvidia drivers broken by the recent libc update" [High,Confirmed]15:18
yofelreally? my reboot worked fine though, but I used an older kernel15:18
yofelok, whatever I did, now my gtk settings are totally foobared...15:20
yofeleither that or oxygen-gtk became qtcurve suddenly15:20
yofel*now* I need to find out why firefox uses qtcurve with .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 has gtk-theme-name="oxygen-gtk"15:22
kubotuyofel meant: "*now* I need to find out why firefox uses qtcurve with .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 having gtk-theme-name="oxygen-gtk""15:22
debfxyofel: the oxygen-gtk stuff should be in an abstraction but someone needs to bring it up on the apparmor list15:29
debfxI wonder what happens to translation stripping once the kde packages are demoted to universe15:31
debfxapparently it can be done for universe packages too but I'm not sure what the policy is15:31
yofelgreat, killed xsettings-kde and my gtk theme is right again15:38
* yofel goes back to debugging15:38
yofelat least it "works" somewhat now15:38
shadeslayerdebfx: heh, good point15:54
Riddelldholbach: from tazz http://paste.kde.org/205934/16:01
dholbachRiddell, part 1 is fixed16:01
dholbachthanks for the other updates16:01
* yofel forgot to read the post... reading16:02
yofeldholbach: in the 12.04 news: "he is still supporting the Oxygen theme" should be "...he is still working on supporting the Oxygen theme..." - I'm not done yet.16:06
apacheloggerstill? :O16:07
yofeland that sounds like we plan on ending support for it ^^16:07
apacheloggeryofel: do you track your work on a bug somewhere?16:07
yofelapachelogger: packaging: DONE, setup: INPROGRESS16:07
yofelpackaging had a bug, default setup doesn't16:07
apacheloggerwell, I mean what when  and why you get held up :P16:07
dholbachthanks a bunch16:08
yofelxsettings stupidity? If I don't get this working by tomorrow I'll dump that and try to add a gtk3 tab to kcm-gtk which uses the ini file16:08
apacheloggerI still think gtk needs fixing16:09
afiestasin which package is /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher ?16:10
yofelafiestas: dpkg -S <file> will tell you that16:10
afiestasyofel: thanks!16:10
agateauhey, stupid question: what would be the deadline for a lightdm-kde package to enter universe?16:13
yofel16th (feature freeze)16:13
yofelunless you have a good reason and can file a feature freeze exception. Then it's final freeze16:13
shadeslayeryofel: dude, tested packages?16:14
shadeslayerQuintasan_: packages up for testing, I'm going to move them to the telepathy PPA over the weekend16:14
shadeslayeryofel: can you open Help > About KDE from any KDE application?16:15
shadeslayerIs it just me or am I missing a parantheses there16:15
yofelnot just you....16:16
yofelPlatform Version 4.8.00 (4.8.016:16
agateauyofel: thanks16:16
yofelshadeslayer: installing telepathy, blame people distracting me16:17
yofeland xsettings16:17
shadeslayeryofel: poke em in the eye16:17
yofelon second thought, blame just xsettings16:17
shadeslayeryofel: btw presence plasmoid was the wrong arch, so the updated package might not be published yet 16:18
shadeslayeruse that ^ for amd6416:19
shadeslayeryeah, they switched out the internals for a C++ lib16:19
yofelit's already ~ppa3 here16:19
shadeslayeroh cool16:19
shadeslayerI thought LP waited for both binaries to be built16:20
yofeluh no, it doesn't16:20
yofelelse we wouldn't have archive screwup all the time16:20
shadeslayerdidn't know :)16:20
* yofel looks for something to bang his head against16:21
* yofel uses the door16:22
yofelok, having a different version of xsettings-kde installed than you originally built for testing sure doesn't help in getting it to work16:22
yofelshadeslayer: the plasma widget has no icon16:24
shadeslayeryofel: works fine here16:25
yofelfeel like an empty panel space that I can right click to get an IM menu16:25
shadeslayeryofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/09/plasma-desktopvm9123.png16:25
shadeslayeryofel: restart plasma?16:25
yofelwell, I'll reboot, my gtk theme is messed up somehow again16:26
yofelat least telepathy connected to jabber16:26
yofelstill no icon16:28
shadeslayerrefresh cache and then restart plasma? :P16:28
yofelgtk works again at least16:28
yofelwe sure are becoming an OS for windows switchers16:29
yofel"check fixing issues by rebooting works" -> checked16:29
shadeslayersadly true at times16:30
yofelnope, dumped kdecache contents and it still doesn't work16:31
yofelwhich widget was one supposed to use? I added the presence one16:31
shadeslayeryeah that one16:31
shadeslayerand the context menu shows up on a right click?16:32
shadeslayertry setting your presence to online via the context menu16:32
yofelshadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/tel.png16:33
yofelchanging status doesn't do a thing16:34
shadeslayeryofel: try : plasmoidviewer org.kde.telepathy-presence16:35
yofelThis object could not be created for the following reason: Could not find requested component: org.kde.telepathy-presence16:37
yofel  Installed: 0.3.0-0ubuntu1~ppa316:37
shadeslayerabsolutely no idea, ask in #kde-telepathy16:38
shadeslayerI'm re installing neon as of now16:39
shadeslayerhtop crashed16:39
yofelshadeslayer: where are you installing the telepathy icons btw.?16:42
yofelor are those shipped with oxygen-icons?16:42
shadeslayernope, see kde-telepathy-data ( that's where they are shipped iirc )16:46
yofelhm, yeah, that's installed16:48
shadeslayerdunno why they don't show up for you ... 16:49
shadeslayeryofel: remove the plasmoid, quit plasma, start it from console and re add it again16:50
shadeslayerlooking for debug output16:50
apacheloggerperhaps your cache is broken16:53
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah, but I think he refreshed his cache16:54
yofelI already dumped /var/tmp/kdecache-yofe completely...16:54
shadeslayeris that the same as kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental?16:54
yofelno idea, but *that* didn't help either16:55
shadeslayerany debug output on the konsole?16:56
yofelnothing about telepathy16:58
yofelexcept some jabber connection logs in xsession-errors16:59
BluesKajyofel,  what's the actual telepathy package name in the repos ?17:00
shadeslayerBluesKaj: there isn't one in the repos yet17:00
yofelBluesKaj: that's from shadeslayer's ppa:rohangarg/nightly17:00
BluesKajI'm curious to try it17:00
shadeslayerbut I have 0.3 packages in : ppa:rohangarg/nightly 17:01
shadeslayermeta package is kde-telepathy17:01
BluesKajok thanks , I'll check it out, shadeslayer , yofel17:01
shadeslayerBluesKaj: please report any borkage17:02
shadeslayeryofel: no luck yet?17:05
yofelI'm just installing it on my eeePC17:05
yofelthat system is less broken than my thinkpad17:05
BluesKajshadeslayer,  well ,yes , but i have figure telepathy out first ..never used it :)17:05
BluesKajhave to17:05
shadeslayerBluesKaj: it's quite simple :)17:05
yofelah well, i386 not built yet17:06
yofelmaybe that's the issue here too17:06
BluesKajshadeslayer,  what about the suggested packages , are they necessary for a proper install ?17:08
yofeland telepathy crashed17:09
shadeslayerBluesKaj: hmm .... I'd say you need them if you want more than just Jabber17:09
shadeslayerlike some provide ICQ17:09
shadeslayerMSN, etc 17:09
BluesKajshadeslayer,  ok thanks..not much of a jabber user 17:09
BluesKajtried jabber waaay back in my w98 days , and there wasn't much action then 17:11
BluesKajheh, forgoten all my IM accts, haven't used them for long time , msn especially17:19
BluesKajoh well , so much for telepathy :)17:19
BluesKajshadeslayer,  sorry , telepathy isn't for me :(17:25
shadeslayerBluesKaj: what happened?17:25
shadeslayerBluesKaj: because we might replace the defauly IM client in the future17:26
BluesKajmy accts are all expired with msn etc17:26
shadeslayerand KDE Telepathy is a strong contender17:26
shadeslayerBluesKaj: uh, so renew them?17:26
BluesKajI use google talk directly in the  browser , to talk with my family ...they're all on igoogle 17:27
shadeslayeroh ok17:31
yofelshadeslayer: btw. how do I tell telepathy to start connected?17:55
shadeslayeryofel: like at boot?17:56
yofelwell yeah, on login17:56
shadeslayerI don't think you can do that just now17:56
shadeslayerlogin -> click the plasmoid -> set status as online17:56
shadeslayeryofel: file a bug?17:56
shadeslayeryofel: altho, you seem to have alot of problems with the app itself17:58
shadeslayerand I don't even know why it doesn't accept contacts17:58
shadeslayerd_ed says it's supposed to be working17:58
yofelwait, I'll purge my settings17:58
yofel*telepathy* settings17:59
yofelwhere does that even put it's settings o.O?18:00
shadeslayerI don't think we have alot of settings18:01
shadeslayeryofel: it's probably called ktp-foo18:01
yofelfound something in .cache18:01
shadeslayeryofel: something is broken in adding contacts18:06
yofelI'm just installing on my eeePC now that i386 is published18:07
yofelI think I saw the icon for a split second when adding the widget before it went away here18:10
Riddellgolly KDE is still the most popular amongst the geeks who read this website http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2011-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-95/desktop-environment-of-the-year-919888/18:11
* yofel gets back to xsettings18:11
Riddelland xfce is way up there, poor old gnome18:11
apacheloggeryofel: all that time18:13
apacheloggeryou could have learned C Glib GTK+ and fixed gtk18:13
yofel1) I already know somewhat 2) not really 3) please spare me18:14
apacheloggeru lazy :*18:14
BluesKajapachelogger,  so what did you think of the rekonq crash backtrace , were there any hints as to the problem there ?18:15
yofelhey BarkingFish18:16
Riddellrekonq has a new edition needing packaged18:22
Riddellno use looking at backtraces until that's done18:22
BluesKajok Riddell , thanks,  rekonq needs some work from the way it runs on my setup18:25
apacheloggerBluesKaj: I think that flash is crashing rekonq18:27
apacheloggerread 'I know'18:28
apacheloggerthink sounds cooler though18:28
apacheloggeralso it suggest sI do thinking18:28
apacheloggerMamarok: departing work nowish18:28
BluesKajapachelogger,  , yeah , it looks that way to me as well18:28
BluesKajapachelogger,  flash wasn't working at all until the latest upgrades to libc6 , here18:31
shadeslayerapachelogger: BluesKaj known issues with rekonq and flash btw18:45
shadeslayerstill exists in the current beta iirc18:45
shadeslayeralso I found a bug18:45
shadeslayerrekonq can't parse http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Bugs18:45
shadeslayerI see raw html all over the place18:45
yofeluname -r18:49
BluesKajBBL. other business needs attention18:53
BarkingFishyofel! Hi dude, sorry I missed your ping. Didn't realise I was connected to the net.  Musta left the automatic connection enabled in nm-applet :)18:54
BarkingFishHow you doing?18:54
* BarkingFish settles down to work, complete with coffee and beef ramen18:55
yofelBarkingFish: rather well, at least better than my progress on xsettings-kde18:58
BarkingFishah. You having problems?18:58
yofelyeah, why does this C code crash at fclose(): http://paste.kde.org/20613219:00
yofelhm, I guess in fedore the surrounding code looks different19:06
yofelthere was another fclose higher up in the code19:06
yofelnote that the surrounding code is horrible19:08
shadeslayeryofel: I'd probably use while(!feof(file))19:08
shadeslayerand then read in the next line19:08
* shadeslayer just freed up 6 GB of Disk space19:09
BarkingFishSorry about that, net pinged out. As far as I can see, yofel - there is no reason whatsoever why that code should crash.19:14
BarkingFishAny chance you could direct me to the rest of the code which goes with it please? I'd like to see it in the context of what it's worked in with.19:17
yofelBarkingFish: dget https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/ppa/+files/xsettings-kde_0.12.3-0ubuntu1%7Eppa1.dsc19:19
yofelxsettings-kde.c line 45619:20
shadeslayeralright, I'm off to bed, cya19:20
BarkingFishnight shadeslayer :)19:21
shadeslayeraltho, I'm interested in why you get that crash19:21
BarkingFishi'll pick through it shadeslayer and see if I can twig what the heck is up with it.19:21
BarkingFishanyone remember what the operand is for getting tar to undo a tar.bz2?19:22
BarkingFishI know it's -zvxf for a tar.gz19:22
yofelj for bzw, but in this case just dpkg-source -x <dscfile>19:23
yofel*j for bz219:23
yofeltar xf should also just work19:23
BarkingFishokies, thanks19:23
BarkingFishlong time since I've used tar on a cli :)19:23
DarkwingRiddell: ping19:24
BarkingFishok, got it open, yofel - I'm taking a peek now19:25
BarkingFishDoes it compile OK, yofel, or do you get any errors & warnings?19:26
yofelI get glib deprecation warnings, but that's all19:27
yofeland it compiles, just crashes19:27
shadeslayerBarkingFish: it free's buffer and then uses buffer agin19:28
shadeslayeris that even valid?19:28
shadeslayerdoesn't free deallocate the memory19:28
RiddellDarkwing: hi19:28
yofelwell, buffer is char *buffer = NULL in the first place19:29
shadeslayerso, shouldn't you allocate memory before using it?19:29
DarkwingRiddell: greetings, What is the bandwidth of your ec2 monthy?19:29
yofelshadeslayer: man 3 getline says it automatically allocates the memory19:30
yofelalthough there might be a memory leak there if anything19:30
shadeslayerokay, I usually use fgets19:30
yofelalso I didn't write that, that's (C) fedora19:30
yofelmore like (C) Kevin19:30
shadeslayermore like (C) Red Hat19:30
RiddellDarkwing: it's ec2, there's as much bandwidth as is needed but it costs per MB19:30
shadeslayerand Mandriva19:30
DarkwingRiddell: I was asking more of what is used.19:31
RiddellDarkwing: I can charge canonical up to some limit, dunno what it is, quite generous, maybe $30019:31
DarkwingA month?19:31
RiddellDarkwing: it's not enough to be hosting ISOs etc19:31
RiddellDarkwing: yes, at a guess19:31
yofelshadeslayer: see gdb http://paste.kde.org/20615019:32
RiddellDarkwing: oh "Canonical/Ubuntu, will be refunded as an expense for up to US $100 per calendar month (to a maximum of US $300 in one year) "19:32
Riddellnot so much then19:32
Riddellcan't host files19:33
DarkwingWe going to loose the build farm when you leave the Kubuntu project?19:33
RiddellDarkwing: I'll still be able to start ec2 instances for you when I'm around19:35
Riddellup to that limit19:35
shadeslayeryofel: possibly the fd gets corrupted19:35
yofelby... what?19:35
shadeslayerby some other concurrent operation?19:36
yofelwell,  this *is* threaded19:36
shadeslayeryou could use a exclusive lock on the file19:36
shadeslayeryofel: yeah I'd really recommend exclusively locking it19:37
DarkwingRiddell: Ahh, I was looking at dedicated servers last night.19:37
DarkwingI was just wondering what our build farms needed.19:37
shadeslayer'x' iirc19:38
shadeslayer"Open the file exclusively (like the O_EXCL flag of open(2)). If the file already exists, fopen() fails, and sets errno to EEXIST. This flag is ignored for fdopen()."19:38
shadeslayeruh ...19:38
* shadeslayer wonders what one needs to get a exclusive read lock on the file19:39
RiddellDarkwing: we don't have a build farm at the moment19:39
RiddellDarkwing: I want to make scripts to use ec2 to build KDE SC19:39
Riddellbut don't know if I'll have time/energy19:40
Riddellshadeslayer wants to do something similar but we haven't talked about it yet19:40
shadeslayerme and yofel are going to start drawing up specs next week19:40
shadeslayerand possibly start implementing it19:40
Riddell"FW: Kubuntu Status" on kubuntu-devel, your first test at community management :)19:40
shadeslayeryofel: try applying the bt on all threads19:41
shadeslayeroh and try breaking at line 45019:41
shadeslayerand stepping through it one by one19:41
yofelI'm doing something else19:42
shadeslayerheh :P19:42
yofelas there are 2 places with fopen() here19:42
yofelone more file pointer won't hurg19:42
shadeslayeryofel: what the hell is this anyway?19:44
yofelfor KDE19:44
yofelthe X is already making this horrible, the part of it where it sets GTK stuff and uses a glib main loop pales in comparison19:44
shadeslayerwell, yeah, but how does this relate to oxygen-gtk3?19:45
yofelit sets Net/ThemeName which is parsed by both gtk2 and 3, so should set the theme for both19:45
shadeslayerheh, it uses a GMainLoop? :P19:45
yofelg_main_loop_run (loop);19:45
DarkwingRiddell: would 2GB RAM and 1TB HD space be enough for a build farm?19:47
shadeslayeryofel: how do I crash it?19:51
yofelcrashes here the moment I run it, as long as you have "gtk-theme-name" in your gtkrc (just go to kcm-gtk, select oxygen-gtk again and click apply)19:52
yofelgreat, if I throw the fclose(file); file=NULL; a few lines above out of the code it doesn't crash19:52
shadeslayerwhere do you throw them?19:54
shadeslayerThe thing doesn't even start here19:55
yofelas in?19:55
yofelline 433ff is what I commented out19:55
shadeslayeras in , I see 3 threads being created19:55
yofelwell, it's a background process19:55
yofelexcept it doesn't crash for you...19:55
shadeslayerit doesn't crash then :P19:56
shadeslayerhahah :P19:56
yofelcan you pastebin your gtkrc19:56
shadeslayeryofel: http://paste.kde.org/20615619:57
shadeslayerthat's .gtkrc-2.0-kde419:57
* yofel makes some coffee19:57
yofelthis is stupid19:57
shadeslayerwhut happened?19:58
yofelnothing, just that I don't get why this works for you19:58
Darkwingits works and you're stumped? 20:00
RiddellDarkwing: yes but it depends on the CPU20:00
yofelshadeslayer: I'm not sure if I'm an idiot, or gcc is compiling junk. If I move the fclose out of the if (file) it doesn't crash20:00
yofeldoesn't matter if it's before or after the if block, it only crashes when it's *inside* it20:01
DarkwingRiddell: Atom 1.20ghz20:02
shadeslayeryofel: so it works when it's in the if(password) block?20:02
shadeslayerI think the fclose should be outside the if(file) block20:03
yofelshadeslayer: this doesn't crash, but obviously doesn't work either http://paste.kde.org/20616220:04
shadeslayerbecause you open the file and if file = -1, then isn't it still open?20:04
shadeslayeryofel: try : http://paste.kde.org/206168/20:05
RiddellDarkwing: single core?  that's probably too slow20:06
yofelshadeslayer: crash20:06
shadeslayeryeah, was just testing out a theory, turns out I'm wrong 20:06
yofelhm, reliably crashes as lons as getline() is before fclose()20:10
DarkwingRiddell: This one would be better. i5 quad core 2.66Ghz, 2TB HD, 16GB RAM, 100mbit connection, unmetered dedicated bandwidth $95USD month.20:10
shadeslayerDarkwing: setting up a build server for work?20:11
* DasKreech hugs apoi 20:11
shadeslayeryofel: no idea, can't really say, libc6 is all sorts of screwed up20:11
Darkwingshadeslayer: I was thinking for all of us... plus, having a dedicated server for the things I'm using my home server for.20:12
DarkwingProlly setup OBS20:12
shadeslayer^ :P20:12
* DasKreech hugs apachelogger II: The Huggination20:12
shadeslayerDarkwing: I have a server as well, the only problem is bandwidth20:12
shadeslayerit's right in the next room, 1 Mbps connection :P20:12
yofelif you tell me how to install OBS on my server I might give it a try20:13
Darkwingshadeslayer: it's 10TB Bandwidth at 100mbit, after 10TB it gets trunked to a 10mbit conection.20:13
shadeslayerDarkwing: but why ?20:13
yofelmy upload bandwith would probably not survive you downloading packages though20:13
shadeslayerI mean, is this just for test builds?20:14
Darkwingshadeslayer: OBS is a package builder20:14
shadeslayerwe need delta debs20:14
yofelif it's for test builds, we can just use the real OBS for stable releases20:14
shadeslayerDarkwing: I know,  but then, what about launchpad?20:14
yofeland PPA's aren't *that* unusable20:14
shadeslayerdo we lose ninjas too?20:15
yofelI hope not, but Riddell would have to answer that20:15
yofelif we do a dedicated server might be a good idea20:15
DarkwingI've been needing a dedicated server for a while. I figured I would share the wealth. :)20:15
shadeslayerif we lose ninjas, then we'll need our own server20:15
Darkwing$95USD/mo isn't that bad.20:16
shadeslayerDarkwing: 95 USD a month isn't bad20:16
DarkwingI've used the company before.20:17
shadeslayerI'm waiting for these guys to get stock : http://buyvm.net/20:17
shadeslayerNo stock as of now : http://www.doesbuyvmhavestock.com/20:18
Riddellshadeslayer: I don't expect so20:18
shadeslayerokay, really off to sleep20:21
Kurdistanhi dear people21:05
KurdistanI have proposal. is it possible to have kde-gtk-config package avaible in the repo and installed by default?21:06
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Kurdistanit will help a lot to get gtk application look good in Kubuntu. 21:06
KurdistanRight now gtk-application looks terrible and the letters are hard to read21:07
Kurdistantake a look: http://packages.netrunner-os.com/pool/main/k/kde-gtk-config/21:08
KurdistanI think does thinks will make Kubuntu even better. 21:09
RiddellKurdistan: ask Aleix Pol if we want it21:12
ezjdHello, am I in right channel to discuss PA for Kubuntu and Kubuntu for ARM? #kubuntu doesn't seem to be :-(21:13
KurdistanRiddell, is he here?21:13
RiddellKurdistan: no21:15
Riddellezjd: probably but I don't know if anyone is about.  what is PA?21:16
Riddelloh, Plasma Active, we need someone to take the initiative and package it21:16
KurdistanRiddell, what do you think about this installed by default: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=13964321:16
Kurdistanthis can help does people that dual-boots ( I am only simple linux user. but for others).21:16
RiddellKurdistan: it needs major QA to ensure it doesn't break users computers.  our CDs are oversized already21:17
KurdistanRiddell, only way to reach him is from mailig-list? I am not a fan of mainling list. :)21:17
RiddellKurdistan: identity.kde.org21:17
ezjdMy personal interest is in ARM, but I don't mind work on PA for x86 :-) So what is status of Plasma Active in Kubuntu?21:18
KurdistanRiddell, for me cd size does not matter, I wanted kubuntu to be perfect and userfriendly right from start.21:18
Riddellezjd: nothing, we need someone to take the initiative and package it21:18
Riddellwe have a spec and want it done21:18
yofelezjd: you want to talk to rbelem about ARM, he should know best what needs doing21:18
yofelit's just tricky to catch him online21:18
ezjdI can help on that. 21:19
KurdistanRiddell, is identity.kde.org chatt place?21:19
RiddellKurdistan: no21:19
ezjdyofel: can I reach rbelem by email?21:19
ezjdI am not irc guy too :-)21:19
Riddellezjd: first step is to find out what needs packaged and what patches to apply to kde platform, next step is to package it, final step is to make CD images and test and release21:20
KurdistanRiddell, if you know aleix :) it maybe would be easier you can ask him? then I do not need to register (endless registrations) a account.21:21
yofelfabo has active on his todo list21:21
yofelezjd: rbelem's contact info is on https://launchpad.net/~rbelem21:22
ezjdRiddell: I did build PA1 a couple of months ago, and am thinking to start a PPA for PA2 or above but as there is kubuntu-active PPA, I can help that too.21:23
RiddellKurdistan: sorry I'm ill21:23
Kurdistanone thing. is it only for me or other, I have problem with plymouth during boot up.21:23
Kurdistanwhen I installed nvidia blobs21:23
Riddellezjd: yeah that would be good21:24
yofelezjd: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa21:24
KurdistanI have tried every tweak out there it does not work. But the good looking kubuntu logo during shutdown looks amazing after all tweaks.21:24
yofelnot much going on there lately, so I'm not sure what the current status is21:24
KurdistanRiddell, I wish you better health. nothing serious I hope?21:25
Riddellsadly yes but I'm recovering21:25
yofelKurdistan: the nvidia blob has no KMS support, thus makes plymouth not bad by letting it work in low-res mode21:25
* Riddell sleeps21:26
* yofel sets his tty resolution by hand21:26
Kurdistanyofel, okey is it any way to fix it?21:26
ezjdWho should I talk to discuss the details about kubuntu active ppa, such as how to develop for it?21:26
KurdistanI have alwayes been able in other buntus to fix it21:26
yofelezjd: rbelem and I think Quintasan_21:27
yofelI haven't worked on that at all since last summer due to lack of hardware21:27
KurdistanRiddell, take care my friend. we need to in shape. 21:27
Kurdistan*need you21:27
ezjdThanks yofel!21:28
yofelKurdistan: let's move to #kubuntu, this is support21:29
Kurdistanbye guys/girls. bed time. 21:32
apacheloggeris it me or is http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/how-kubuntu-did-not-change/#comment-1618 not really saying anything?21:51
apacheloggerother than using funny words that one would not be allowed to say in an ubuntu channel21:51
Riddellapachelogger: long, rambling, doesn't add anything to the debate, strong language means it could provoke troll responses so feel free to delete it22:02
emWhat is the best way for someone who isn't exceptionally technical, but maybe intermediate, to contribute to Kubuntu?22:03
Riddellem: bug triage with some training, ISO and package testing if they can hang around on IRC and take an hour or three when it's needed22:04
emRiddell: Okay I will look into it.22:07
damianIs anyone free to assist me, I need a question to be cleared up and due to fact I have been looking around google and the ubuntu packaging site even Fedora too; I am still stuck at one command so if all else fails ask.22:11
Riddellem: we can add you to our !testers ping if you are likely to be on irc here 22:11
Riddelldamian: is it about kubuntu development?22:11
Riddellshadeslayer: this means our issue is finally solves? kde bug 23830322:12
ubottuKDE bug 238303 in http "gzip encoded files show encoded" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23830322:12
Riddellagateau: hmm messageing indicator needs telepathy-kde integration I suspect22:13
damianwell I would say that I was looking into becoming a packager for kubuntu if that makes any sense, so I started a launcdpad account i spelled that one22:13
soeesorry for the same question again but, how the lates builds of 12.04 works ?22:14
Riddellsoee: alpha 2 works for me22:14
agateauRiddell: indeed, would be nice22:14
Riddelldamian: then ask it and maybe someone will answer (I'm somewhat ill)22:14
soeeRiddell, "stable" as it can be at this stage ?22:14
Riddellsoee: alpha 2 works for me22:14
soeeRiddell, ok thank you22:15
emRiddell: Yes I'm always here.22:15
RiddellTm_T: please add em to !testers22:15
emRiddell: Sometimes Im not at the keyboard but if I were Id like to get pinged.22:15
damianok thanks,well I was trying to do the gpg --send-keys command, but no matter what I keep getting the WARNING nothing exported; I added the keyserver even --keyserver command as well, but nothing just the same error.22:16
damianis there something I am doing wrong?22:16
Riddelldamian: dunno sorry, check that gpg --list-keys lists anything22:19
Riddelltry using kgpg22:19
Riddelltry asking on a mailing list if irc doesn't help22:19
Tm_Taye aye sir22:20
damianlol I got it wrong information I was following thanks for your assistance and get well soon.22:20
damianyea got to figure out the mailing list thing too "Uncharted water indeed"22:21
BarkingFishyofel: In relation to xsettings-kde, I've been through it three times now and still can't see where it's going wrong22:21
yofelnvm, I'll look at this tomorrow22:21
Tm_TRiddell: done22:21
yofelworst case we I go with plan b22:21
BarkingFishwhich is?22:22
yofeluse the gtk ini file22:22
yofelnot kde specific, but at least works reliably22:22
Riddelldamian: to be a packager there are plenty of guides of varying levels of usefulness, but mostly you need to study exiting simple packages then make your own simple package22:25
* yofel is off to bed - good night22:25
Riddelland ask here if stuck22:26
Riddellnight yofel 22:26
Riddellsome of us are already in bed :)22:26
BarkingFishbbfn yofel22:27
BarkingFishlet me know how you get on with the gtk ini, if you're still stuck I'm about most of tomorrow22:27
Riddellanything we should put in the release team weekly meeting?  I think it's a case of "nothing useful this week"22:30
apacheloggerRiddell: yofel has yet to succeed in making gtk useful, we propose dropping it from the archive due to sillyness :P22:32
Riddellapachelogger: dropping gtk from the archive, I'm all for it but the ubuntu desktop people might complain :)22:36
apacheloggerRiddell: well, you can still bring it up :P22:41
Riddellapachelogger: oh you mean for the release meeting?22:42
apacheloggerthat has impact on the release quality of kubuntu after all, I guess22:42
Riddellok will do22:43
apacheloggerperfect, now I can go to bed or something22:46
apacheloggeroh, I could watch some doctor who first22:46
Riddellsurely you've watched them all before22:47
Riddellif you really want your fix you'd listen to the dr who radio plays on radio 4 extra22:47
Riddell21:06 < Kurdistan> I have proposal. is it possible to have kde-gtk-config package avaible in the repo and installed by default?22:48
Riddellapol: question for you ^^22:48
apacheloggerRiddell: problem is that I might fall asleep then :)22:52
apolmaybe too late?22:56
apolRiddell: it's definitely possible22:56
apoltoday i've been contacted by a debian developer who is meaning to package it22:57
Riddellapol: what's the advantage over the gtk kcm we already have?22:57
apolRiddell: it has previews and gtk3 support22:57
apolalso icons, I think the current doesn't have22:58
apoland it lets you download themes from gnome-look too22:58
Riddellsounds like we want it22:59
Riddelljust needs someone to do it :)23:00
* apachelogger points out that it would be cool to name it kde-config-gtk to be in line with the debian policy regarding kcm naming :)23:00
apacheloggeruh oh23:08
apacheloggerapol: I was wondering why the tarball is so big... it contains a build folder, I guess that is not intentional? 23:08
apolapachelogger: what tarball?23:12
apolRiddell: what needs to be done exactly?23:13
apolapachelogger: well if there's a build directory that's definitely unintentinal23:13
apolanyhow the way to get the source is kde:kde-gtk-config :P23:13
Riddellapol: package it, test, upload, get archive admin to review, get it into main, put into seed, all by next thursday23:16
apoloh wow23:20
apacheloggermakes you wonder23:20
apolRiddell: I'll ping you tomorrow then :p23:20
apacheloggerall that and yet rekonq on 11.10 manages t ocrash once a day :P23:20
* apol is going to sleep then23:20
Riddellapachelogger: new version for the packaging!23:20
apacheloggerthat doesn't help 1110 now, does it? :P23:20
Riddella backport/SRU might23:24

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