[00:07] apachelogger: is there any way of you getting me a package in a few minutes? hour? === koolhead17 is now known as koolhead17|zzZZ [02:33] shadeslayer: Cool. [02:34] yofel: Not sure. Way to busy with $WORK to have an opinion. === JackyAlcine is now known as ThisCode === ThisCode is now known as JackyAlcine [04:20] Riddell: What is bandwidth usage of your ec2? === koolhead17|zzZZ is now known as koolhead17 [05:29] fabo: do you see any reason not to sync mlt from Debian? It builds in Ubuntu now [08:21] afiestas: www.afiestas.org/appmenu-runner-meet-the-kde-hud/ <--- your link is broken (the direct link to the ogv) [08:25] nice work !!! really :D [08:26] (I found the flash video) [09:20] bambee_: isn't the youtube video working for yo? (link fixed) [09:23] afiestas: I could right now [09:23] oh [09:23] actually I cannot [09:23] * apachelogger doesn't have the right ssh/gpg keys with him [09:26] afiestas: isn't a Plasma HID [09:26] HUD [09:26] rater than a KDE HUD? [09:27] apachelogger: I'm part o the KDE community so it is KDE's [09:27] then it'd be KDE's HUD [09:27] KDE HUD is counter productive to the rebranding foobar IMMHO [09:27] agreed, too late :p [09:28] why? you can change titles, no? :P [09:28] pseeeee pseeeee pseeee [09:28] done [09:28] rekonq does not know how to handle this protocol: http [09:28] haha [09:28] <3 updates [09:29] apachelogger: would you like something else my sir? maybe a cup of tea ? [09:29] afiestas: yes [09:29] kubotu: tea, earl grey, hot [09:29] kubotu: order tea, earl grey, hot [09:29] * kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain apachelogger. [09:29] omnomnom [09:29] captain? that's one of your many names I suppose xd [09:32] the many names of the master [09:32] could be a good book [09:32] someone please write it [09:33] a collaboration between nixternal and Nightrose maybe :) [09:33] why is it that rekonq is using 8% of cpu [09:34] (biggest consumer on my otherwise rather idle system) [09:34] oh, perhaps because of the busy indicators on the favorites page [09:34] which would be silly [09:34] also scary [09:34] mostly silly though [09:34] no, that is not it -.- [09:35] oh great [09:35] muon is broken [09:35] you don't know it but the budy indicators are there to hypnotize developers on working harder to their project [09:35] afiestas: that makes sense [09:35] the busy indicators are rubbish TBH [09:35] way too big [09:35] way too busy [09:35] way to dizzyfying [09:36] apachelogger: btw, how is phonon-qml doing? dragon player 3? that stuff? have been looking forward to it :/ [09:36] d3 needs a ui concept from a professional [09:37] maybe you can ask Balaz to do it [09:37] I do not know this peson [09:37] afiestas: please ask him :) [09:38] * apachelogger is too shy to ask people for ui concepts [09:38] which reminds me [09:38] apachelogger: Björn Balazs guy of http://www.opensource-usability-labs.com/ [09:38] rbelem: did you ever get a ui for uds app? [09:38] but he is not going to do magic for you, you have to work with him and develop together the concept [09:38] he knows about usability but he doesn't know about the app you want to do [09:41] my rekonq is broken [09:43] I suspect firefox have sleeps hidden somewhere near a if (usingKDE()) [09:43] with my new computer rekonq is fast as hell, chrome fas as hell everything (nepomuk and akonadi included) are fast as hell [09:43] everything but firefox [09:48] I blame gee tee kay [09:48] plus === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:50] afiestas: so where can I find this master on the irc? [09:51] apachelogger: not sure he is an irc fan, you may want to email him [09:51] * apachelogger is not a fan of email :P [09:51] I have work with him in the solid sprint and actually blog about what we did, is quite awesome [09:53] morning [09:53] afiestas: got a package yet? [09:54] yofel: nope apachelogger working on it [09:54] yofel: please be making the package [09:54] the packaging is there [09:54] .. [09:54] and Quintasan_ said it looks sane [09:54] so you only need to pack it up [09:54] where's the source? [09:55] kubuntu-packager & kde git [09:55] * yofel wonders where he put putty... [09:55] I lol'd [09:55] also wrong OS :P [09:55] well, blame my school, they have only one CentOS room that's locked all the time -.- [09:56] we have dual boots with cent everywhere [09:56] I even had to trick my server firewall to send ssh traffic to a port that isn't blocked in the firewall here [09:56] cent is not the best of things [09:56] * yofel found putty [09:57] afiestas: what's the repository name? [09:58] on git.kde [09:59] see his blog post [10:00] afiestas: good work with that btw [10:00] good point [10:01] * yofel adds an import on launchpad while at it [10:18] afiestas: https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/ppa/+packages [10:21] hiya [10:21] yofel, you mentioned that there's public PPAs for testing SRUs beforehand [10:22] shall I add a link to the article about them? [10:25] well, we post which one is used in our announcements on kubuntu.org. So maybe just link to one of those as an example: http://www.kubuntu.org/kde-sc-474 [10:25] maybe I should link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu then? [10:25] people should only use the one that's mentioned. As experimental and staging aren't usually supposed to be used [10:26] staging isn't supposed to be used at all [10:26] well, that page could be used, but needs an update [10:27] it's mostly right though [10:32] Quintasan_, rbelem: folks mentioned you as the Kubuntu ARM experts - how are things looking for 12.04? [10:34] * yofel wonders if he should buy himself an pandaboardES or just get a spark as soon as it's available... [10:50] yofel: spark [10:50] yofel: I think we are covered WRT reference boards :) [10:50] spark it is then [10:51] I don't have a tablet yet anyway [10:51] yofel: actually you should talk to aaron to get the device earlier [10:51] hm, good idea [10:53] I'll send him a mail later [10:53] * yofel goes home [10:53] bbl [10:54] great, now rekonqs load is gone [10:54] awesome -.- [10:56] I think I broke my install this morning [10:56] * shadeslayer doesn't really remember [10:56] * apachelogger did a new install this morning :P [10:57] dpkg complained about something something libc6 [10:57] I clicked on Yes and all hell broke lose [10:57] win [10:58] Atleast it boots, I can't afford to do another clean install [11:28] !find qdbusviewer [11:28] File qdbusviewer found in qt4-bin-dbg, qt4-dev-tools, qt4-doc-html [11:29] hehe [11:30] apachelogger: re installing stuff :D [11:34] more like doing work [11:35] Kubuntu! http://my-ubuntu-day.blogspot.com/2012/02/ubuntu-hour-in-rondebosch-this-saturday.html [11:44] computational error, now shutting down [11:48] apachelogger: Any ideas what this means ; E: Internal Error, No file name for libc6 [11:48] that's when doing sudo apt-get -f install [11:51] try to install libc6 with dpkg? (if you have the .deb in the cache) [11:51] * yofel is just upgrading libc6 himself [11:51] I can try [11:51] but shouldn't that be reported if it's a bug [11:53] yofel: http://i.imgur.com/5sqxI.png [11:54] I choose yes, and kdm survived [11:54] I'll reboot later anyway [11:54] yeah [11:54] also, still have the problem [11:55] aha [11:55] Installing libc6_2.15\~pre6-0ubuntu10_amd64.deb solved the issue [11:57] yofel: could you also test from ppa:rohangarg/nightly ? [11:57] everything built last night [11:57] I'll be gone for an hour or so, will test then [11:58] sure [12:43] Telepathy KDE should be good to go in a hour === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [13:31] "We are sorry, rekonq closed unexpectedly" [13:31] a hell of a lot good that does, that you are sorry while all my data is lost in ram [13:32] apachelogger: calm down, make a cup of tea, then try again [13:32] try again to loose me data? [13:32] sure [13:32] well... what else am I supposed to say? -.- [13:33] so, things apachelogger needs to fork so that he feels obgliated to make them not crash: plasma, rekonq [13:33] * yofel wonders in the meanwhile why dconf-editor doesn't have a search function... [13:33] oh right, plasma also crashed earlier [13:33] for no apparent reason [13:33] as plasma usually does [13:35] Hi all [13:35] ok, now dconf-editor froze [13:35] what a nice piece of software [13:36] hey BluesKaj [13:36] much like all the other free software [13:36] * apachelogger reboots into windows 8 [13:36] hi yofel [13:45] what purpose does the dconf-editor have ? [13:45] yofel, ^ [13:45] much the same as gconf-editor - I was trying to dig through my gnome settings as I messed something up there [13:55] now this is fun, trying to run gnome-tweak-tool in kubuntu doesn't work at all. Seems you need to run a full gnome session to change any gnome settings [13:55] thanks to everything running over dbus [13:55] 0.o [13:55] yofel: wait, then the tool should start a session if something is missing [13:56] ah, on second try gnome-tweak-tool isn't totally unresponsive [13:56] "We are sorry, KDE Control Module closed unexpectedly." [13:56] I lol'd [13:56] shadeslayer: well, I already filed a bug about it not depending on gnome-settings-daemon [13:56] as it core dumped without that [13:56] so on a new setup of 11.10 I can make plasma go kaboom, I can go rekonq go kaboom and random kcms [13:56] hah [13:56] something seems utterly wrong [13:56] * shadeslayer wonders if he can make apachelogger go kaboom [13:56] apachelogger: PPA revu's are awesome [13:57] yeah [13:57] so is unity [13:57] shadeslayer: with the daemon the terminal output looks like this: http://paste.kde.org/205760 [13:57] does it have DBus shit ? [13:57] I can't look at DBus again [13:57] plenty [13:58] * shadeslayer goes blind [13:58] jasdbasdasasdasdbas [13:58] what's your problem with dbus? [13:58] apachelogger: it sucks, end of topic [13:58] at least it does not 'close unexpectedly' [13:58] yeah it explodes [13:58] * shadeslayer sends some love to his sockets [13:59] yofel: I am all python for you [13:59] "dear user, we're sorry, but a d-BUS crashed into your system" [13:59] git by a d-BUS? :P [13:59] :D [14:00] gawd [14:00] pyth0rn is such a silly language it makes me barf [14:01] "pyth0rn is such a silly language it makes me barf gLib" [14:01] * shadeslayer kicks launchpad for not publishing packages [14:01] seen vala yet? [14:02] whoever invented that was a total java fanboy [14:02] seen mindfuck? [14:02] s/mind/brain/ [14:02] shadeslayer meant: "seen brainfuck?" [14:02] heh [14:02] *that* yes ^^ [14:02] perfectly sane implementation [14:03] compared to launchpadlib [14:03] * shadeslayer wonders what would happen if he wrote a string of 0's and 1's in a file and executed it === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [14:05] * yofel is impressed how "advanced" gnome-tweak-tool is, you need to be advanced enough to know what every setting means without it saying what it is! [14:06] http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/gtt.png [14:08] very dark [14:09] precise testers needed : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+packages [14:09] !testers [14:09] Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147 [14:18] shadeslayer, I hope you guys don't mind. I think I'll sit this one out , since I don't run telepathy at all [14:18] sure no problem :) [14:46] yofel, Riddell, shadeslayer and everyone else: does http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/02/09/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-13/ look alright to you? [14:48] stupid chrome [14:48] use rekonq [14:49] apachelogger: yeah opened fine in that [14:49] and boom [14:49] damn, I seem to be too stupid to embed a video [14:49] grmbl [14:49] apachelogger, I tried using rekonq , wished it would work well etc , i gave it a chance , but it's not very stable , it's unrelaible [14:50] here [14:50] wordpress always removes it again [14:50] dholbach, opens fine on chromium here [14:51] dholbach: " to be made we get the source tarballs a " , shouldn't that read as, " ... all distro packagers get the source tarballs ..." [14:51] BluesKaj, is the video shown in the post? [14:52] shadeslayer, ok, changing it - thanks :) [14:52] BluesKaj: rekonq unreliable, you must be kidding :P [14:53] it reliably crashes once per day [14:53] dholbach: I can't read it but it looks fine at a glance [14:54] stupid glib [14:54] apachelogger, it is for me , unfortunately , and dholbach, I see some images there , but no video [14:54] Riddell, no worries, take it easy :) [14:54] yeah, we're working out the video bit now [14:55] shadeslayer: what's all this ranting about glib about? [14:55] apachelogger, I tell you what ..I'll reinstall rekonq and report back [14:55] actually I think most rekonq issues might come from qtwebkit [14:55] of which we have a snapshot or something [14:57] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/205802/ [14:58] *grumble* flash *grumble* [15:02] \o/ [15:04] hmm, will there be any change if ubuntu wont be paying for kubuntu any longer? [15:05] gnomefreak: the change is in what I can do on my work time [15:06] yofel: I have already filed a bug about apparmor rules needed to support oxygen-gtk: bug #914382 [15:06] Launchpad bug 914382 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "Support oxygen gtk theme in abstractions/gnome" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/914382 [15:06] Riddell: ah ok [15:08] apachelogger, crashes , on igoogle with, "Executable: rekonq PID: 4184 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)" [15:09] and what is the backtrace? [15:12] alright, posted to omg as well [15:12] apachelogger, http://paste.ubuntu.com/835318/ [15:12] thanks guys! [15:16] debfx: ah, I had filed one about evince [15:16] *against === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [15:18] yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/929384 [15:18] Ubuntu bug 929384 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "nvidia drivers broken by the recent libc update" [High,Confirmed] [15:18] really? my reboot worked fine though, but I used an older kernel [15:20] ok, whatever I did, now my gtk settings are totally foobared... [15:20] either that or oxygen-gtk became qtcurve suddenly [15:21] lol [15:22] *now* I need to find out why firefox uses qtcurve with .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 has gtk-theme-name="oxygen-gtk" [15:22] s/has/having/ [15:22] yofel meant: "*now* I need to find out why firefox uses qtcurve with .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 having gtk-theme-name="oxygen-gtk"" [15:29] yofel: the oxygen-gtk stuff should be in an abstraction but someone needs to bring it up on the apparmor list [15:31] I wonder what happens to translation stripping once the kde packages are demoted to universe [15:31] apparently it can be done for universe packages too but I'm not sure what the policy is [15:38] great, killed xsettings-kde and my gtk theme is right again [15:38] * yofel goes back to debugging [15:38] at least it "works" somewhat now [15:50] hm [15:54] debfx: heh, good point [16:01] dholbach: from tazz http://paste.kde.org/205934/ [16:01] Riddell, part 1 is fixed [16:01] thanks for the other updates [16:02] * yofel forgot to read the post... reading [16:06] dholbach: in the 12.04 news: "he is still supporting the Oxygen theme" should be "...he is still working on supporting the Oxygen theme..." - I'm not done yet. [16:07] ok [16:07] still? :O [16:07] and that sounds like we plan on ending support for it ^^ [16:07] yofel: do you track your work on a bug somewhere? [16:07] apachelogger: packaging: DONE, setup: INPROGRESS [16:07] packaging had a bug, default setup doesn't [16:07] well, I mean what when and why you get held up :P [16:08] thanks a bunch [16:08] updated [16:08] xsettings stupidity? If I don't get this working by tomorrow I'll dump that and try to add a gtk3 tab to kcm-gtk which uses the ini file [16:09] well [16:09] I still think gtk needs fixing [16:10] in which package is /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher ? [16:10] kdelibs? [16:10] afiestas: dpkg -S will tell you that [16:10] yofel: thanks! [16:13] hey, stupid question: what would be the deadline for a lightdm-kde package to enter universe? [16:13] 16th (feature freeze) [16:13] unless you have a good reason and can file a feature freeze exception. Then it's final freeze [16:14] yofel: dude, tested packages? [16:14] Quintasan_: packages up for testing, I'm going to move them to the telepathy PPA over the weekend [16:15] uhh [16:15] yofel: can you open Help > About KDE from any KDE application? [16:15] Is it just me or am I missing a parantheses there [16:16] not just you.... [16:16] Platform Version 4.8.00 (4.8.0 [16:16] http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/09/plasma-desktopVX9123.png [16:16] hahahaha [16:16] yofel: thanks [16:17] shadeslayer: installing telepathy, blame people distracting me [16:17] and xsettings [16:17] yofel: poke em in the eye [16:17] on second thought, blame just xsettings [16:18] yofel: btw presence plasmoid was the wrong arch, so the updated package might not be published yet [16:19] https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+files/plasma-widget-telepathy-presence_0.3.0-0ubuntu1~ppa3_amd64.deb [16:19] ah [16:19] use that ^ for amd64 [16:19] yeah, they switched out the internals for a C++ lib [16:19] it's already ~ppa3 here [16:19] oh cool [16:20] I thought LP waited for both binaries to be built [16:20] uh no, it doesn't [16:20] else we wouldn't have archive screwup all the time [16:20] didn't know :) [16:21] heh [16:21] * yofel looks for something to bang his head against [16:22] * yofel uses the door [16:22] ok, having a different version of xsettings-kde installed than you originally built for testing sure doesn't help in getting it to work [16:22] -.- [16:24] shadeslayer: the plasma widget has no icon [16:25] uhh [16:25] yofel: works fine here [16:25] feel like an empty panel space that I can right click to get an IM menu [16:25] *feels [16:25] yofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/09/plasma-desktopvm9123.png [16:25] yofel: restart plasma? [16:26] ... [16:26] :P [16:26] well, I'll reboot, my gtk theme is messed up somehow again [16:26] at least telepathy connected to jabber [16:27] yay [16:28] still no icon [16:28] refresh cache and then restart plasma? :P [16:28] gtk works again at least [16:28] heh [16:29] we sure are becoming an OS for windows switchers [16:29] "check fixing issues by rebooting works" -> checked [16:29] lol [16:30] sadly true at times [16:31] nope, dumped kdecache contents and it still doesn't work [16:31] wth [16:31] which widget was one supposed to use? I added the presence one [16:31] yeah that one [16:32] and the context menu shows up on a right click? [16:32] try setting your presence to online via the context menu [16:33] shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/tel.png [16:34] changing status doesn't do a thing [16:35] yofel: try : plasmoidviewer org.kde.telepathy-presence [16:37] This object could not be created for the following reason: Could not find requested component: org.kde.telepathy-presence [16:37] plasma-widget-telepathy-presence: [16:37] Installed: 0.3.0-0ubuntu1~ppa3 [16:38] absolutely no idea, ask in #kde-telepathy [16:39] I'm re installing neon as of now [16:39] O_O [16:39] htop crashed [16:40] http://paste.kde.org/205988/ [16:42] shadeslayer: where are you installing the telepathy icons btw.? [16:42] or are those shipped with oxygen-icons? [16:46] nope, see kde-telepathy-data ( that's where they are shipped iirc ) [16:48] hm, yeah, that's installed [16:49] dunno why they don't show up for you ... [16:49] hmm [16:50] yofel: remove the plasmoid, quit plasma, start it from console and re add it again [16:50] looking for debug output [16:53] perhaps your cache is broken [16:54] apachelogger: yeah, but I think he refreshed his cache [16:54] I already dumped /var/tmp/kdecache-yofe completely... [16:54] l [16:54] is that the same as kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental? [16:55] no idea, but *that* didn't help either [16:56] any debug output on the konsole? [16:58] nothing about telepathy [16:59] except some jabber connection logs in xsession-errors [17:00] yofel, what's the actual telepathy package name in the repos ? [17:00] BluesKaj: there isn't one in the repos yet [17:00] BluesKaj: that's from shadeslayer's ppa:rohangarg/nightly [17:00] I'm curious to try it [17:01] but I have 0.3 packages in : ppa:rohangarg/nightly [17:01] meta package is kde-telepathy [17:01] ok thanks , I'll check it out, shadeslayer , yofel [17:02] BluesKaj: please report any borkage [17:05] yofel: no luck yet? [17:05] I'm just installing it on my eeePC [17:05] that system is less broken than my thinkpad [17:05] shadeslayer, well ,yes , but i have figure telepathy out first ..never used it :) [17:05] have to [17:05] BluesKaj: it's quite simple :) [17:06] ah well, i386 not built yet [17:06] maybe that's the issue here too [17:08] shadeslayer, what about the suggested packages , are they necessary for a proper install ? [17:09] and telepathy crashed [17:09] BluesKaj: hmm .... I'd say you need them if you want more than just Jabber [17:09] like some provide ICQ [17:09] MSN, etc [17:09] shadeslayer, ok thanks..not much of a jabber user [17:10] :) [17:11] tried jabber waaay back in my w98 days , and there wasn't much action then [17:19] heh, forgoten all my IM accts, haven't used them for long time , msn especially [17:19] oh well , so much for telepathy :) [17:25] shadeslayer, sorry , telepathy isn't for me :( [17:25] oh [17:25] BluesKaj: what happened? [17:26] BluesKaj: because we might replace the defauly IM client in the future [17:26] my accts are all expired with msn etc [17:26] and KDE Telepathy is a strong contender [17:26]