[00:07] <afiestas_> apachelogger: is there any way of you getting me a package in a few minutes? hour?
[02:33] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Cool.
[02:34] <ScottK> yofel: Not sure.  Way to busy with $WORK to have an opinion.
[04:20] <Darkwing> Riddell: What is bandwidth usage of your ec2?
[05:29] <micahg> fabo: do you see any reason not to sync mlt from Debian? It builds in Ubuntu now
[08:21] <bambee_> afiestas: www.afiestas.org/appmenu-runner-meet-the-kde-hud/ <--- your link is broken (the direct link to the ogv)
[08:25] <bambee_> nice work !!! really :D
[08:26] <bambee_> (I found the flash video)
[09:20] <afiestas> bambee_: isn't the youtube video working for yo? (link fixed)
[09:23] <apachelogger> afiestas: I could right now
[09:23] <apachelogger> oh
[09:23] <apachelogger> actually I cannot
[09:23]  * apachelogger doesn't have the right ssh/gpg keys with him
[09:26] <apachelogger> afiestas: isn't  a Plasma HID
[09:26] <apachelogger> HUD
[09:26] <apachelogger> rater than a KDE HUD?
[09:27] <afiestas> apachelogger: I'm part o the KDE community so it is KDE's
[09:27] <apachelogger> then it'd be KDE's HUD
[09:27] <apachelogger> KDE HUD is counter productive to the rebranding foobar IMMHO
[09:27] <afiestas> agreed, too late :p
[09:28] <apachelogger> why? you can change titles, no? :P
[09:28] <afiestas> pseeeee pseeeee pseeee
[09:28] <afiestas> done
[09:28] <apachelogger> rekonq does not know how to handle this protocol: http
[09:28] <apachelogger> haha
[09:28] <apachelogger> <3 updates
[09:29] <afiestas> apachelogger: would you like something else my sir? maybe a cup of tea ?
[09:29] <apachelogger> afiestas: yes
[09:29] <apachelogger> kubotu: tea, earl grey, hot
[09:29] <apachelogger> kubotu: order tea, earl grey, hot
[09:29]  * kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain apachelogger.
[09:29] <apachelogger> omnomnom
[09:29] <afiestas> captain? that's one of your many names I suppose xd
[09:32] <apachelogger> the many names of the master
[09:32] <apachelogger> could be a good book
[09:32] <apachelogger> someone please write it
[09:33] <apachelogger> a collaboration between nixternal and Nightrose maybe :)
[09:33] <apachelogger> why is it that rekonq is using 8% of cpu
[09:34] <apachelogger> (biggest consumer on my otherwise rather idle system)
[09:34] <apachelogger> oh, perhaps because of the busy indicators on the favorites page
[09:34] <apachelogger> which would be silly
[09:34] <apachelogger> also scary
[09:34] <apachelogger> mostly silly though
[09:34] <apachelogger> no, that is not it -.-
[09:35] <apachelogger> oh great
[09:35] <apachelogger> muon is broken
[09:35] <afiestas> you don't know it but the budy indicators are there to hypnotize developers on working harder to their project
[09:35] <apachelogger> afiestas: that makes sense
[09:35] <apachelogger> the busy indicators are rubbish TBH
[09:35] <apachelogger> way too big
[09:35] <apachelogger> way too busy
[09:35] <apachelogger> way to dizzyfying
[09:36] <afiestas> apachelogger: btw, how is phonon-qml doing? dragon player 3? that stuff? have been looking forward to it :/
[09:36] <apachelogger> d3 needs a ui concept from a professional
[09:37] <afiestas> maybe you can ask Balaz to do it 
[09:37] <apachelogger> I do not know this peson
[09:37] <apachelogger> afiestas: please ask him :)
[09:38]  * apachelogger is too shy to ask people for ui concepts
[09:38] <apachelogger> which reminds me
[09:38] <afiestas> apachelogger: Björn Balazs guy of http://www.opensource-usability-labs.com/
[09:38] <apachelogger> rbelem: did you ever get a ui for uds app?
[09:38] <afiestas> but he is not going to do magic for you, you have to work with him and develop together the concept
[09:38] <afiestas> he knows about usability but he doesn't know about the app you want to do
[09:41] <apachelogger> my rekonq is broken
[09:43] <afiestas> I suspect firefox have sleeps hidden somewhere near a if (usingKDE()) 
[09:43] <afiestas> with my new computer rekonq is fast as hell, chrome fas as hell everything (nepomuk and akonadi included) are fast as hell
[09:43] <afiestas> everything but firefox
[09:48] <apachelogger> I blame gee tee kay
[09:48] <apachelogger> plus
[09:50] <apachelogger> afiestas: so where can I find this master on the irc?
[09:51] <afiestas> apachelogger: not sure he is an irc fan, you may want to email him
[09:51]  * apachelogger is not a fan of email :P
[09:51] <afiestas> I have work with him in the solid sprint and actually blog about what we did, is quite awesome
[09:53] <yofel> morning
[09:53] <yofel> afiestas: got a package yet?
[09:54] <afiestas> yofel: nope apachelogger working on it
[09:54] <apachelogger> yofel: please be making the package
[09:54] <apachelogger> the packaging is there
[09:54] <yofel> ..
[09:54] <apachelogger> and Quintasan_ said it looks sane
[09:54] <apachelogger> so you only need to pack it up
[09:54] <yofel> where's the source?
[09:55] <apachelogger> kubuntu-packager & kde git
[09:55]  * yofel wonders where he put putty...
[09:55] <apachelogger> I lol'd
[09:55] <apachelogger> also wrong OS :P
[09:55] <yofel> well, blame my school, they have only one CentOS room that's locked all the time -.-
[09:56] <apachelogger> we have dual boots with cent everywhere
[09:56] <yofel> I even had to trick my server firewall to send ssh traffic to a port that isn't blocked in the firewall here
[09:56] <apachelogger> cent is not the best of things
[09:56]  * yofel found putty
[09:57] <yofel> afiestas: what's the repository name?
[09:58] <yofel> on git.kde
[09:59] <apachelogger> see his blog post
[10:00] <Tm_T> afiestas: good work with that btw
[10:00] <yofel> good point
[10:01]  * yofel adds an import on launchpad while at it
[10:18] <yofel> afiestas: https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/ppa/+packages
[10:21] <dholbach> hiya
[10:21] <dholbach> yofel, you mentioned that there's public PPAs for testing SRUs beforehand
[10:22] <dholbach> shall I add a link to the article about them?
[10:25] <yofel> well, we post which one is used in our announcements on kubuntu.org. So maybe just link to one of those as an example: http://www.kubuntu.org/kde-sc-474
[10:25] <dholbach> maybe I should link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu then?
[10:25] <yofel> people should only use the one that's mentioned. As experimental and staging aren't usually supposed to be used 
[10:26] <Tm_T> staging isn't supposed to be used at all
[10:26] <yofel> well, that page could be used, but needs an update
[10:27] <yofel> it's mostly right though
[10:32] <dholbach> Quintasan_, rbelem: folks mentioned you as the Kubuntu ARM experts - how are things looking for 12.04?
[10:34]  * yofel wonders if he should buy himself an pandaboardES or just get a spark as soon as it's available...
[10:50] <apachelogger> yofel: spark
[10:50] <apachelogger> yofel: I think we are covered WRT reference boards :)
[10:50] <yofel> spark it is then
[10:51] <yofel> I don't have a tablet yet anyway
[10:51] <apachelogger> yofel: actually you should talk to aaron to get the device earlier
[10:51] <yofel> hm, good idea
[10:53] <yofel> I'll send him a mail later
[10:53]  * yofel goes home 
[10:53] <yofel> bbl
[10:54] <apachelogger> great, now rekonqs load is gone
[10:54] <apachelogger> awesome -.-
[10:56] <shadeslayer> I think I broke my install this morning
[10:56]  * shadeslayer doesn't really remember
[10:56]  * apachelogger did a new install this morning :P
[10:57] <shadeslayer> dpkg complained about something something libc6
[10:57] <shadeslayer> I clicked on Yes and all hell broke lose
[10:57] <apachelogger> win
[10:58] <shadeslayer> Atleast it boots, I can't afford to do another clean install
[11:28] <apachelogger> !find qdbusviewer
[11:29] <shadeslayer> hehe
[11:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: re installing stuff :D
[11:34] <apachelogger> more like doing work
[11:35] <Tm_T> Kubuntu! http://my-ubuntu-day.blogspot.com/2012/02/ubuntu-hour-in-rondebosch-this-saturday.html
[11:44] <apachelogger> computational error, now shutting down
[11:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Any ideas what this means ; E: Internal Error, No file name for libc6
[11:48] <shadeslayer> that's when doing sudo apt-get -f install
[11:51] <yofel> try to install libc6 with dpkg? (if you have the .deb in the cache)
[11:51]  * yofel is just upgrading libc6 himself
[11:51] <shadeslayer> I can try
[11:51] <shadeslayer> but shouldn't that be reported if it's a bug
[11:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/5sqxI.png
[11:54] <yofel> I choose yes, and kdm survived
[11:54] <yofel> I'll reboot later anyway
[11:54] <shadeslayer> yeah
[11:54] <shadeslayer> also, still have the problem
[11:55] <shadeslayer> aha
[11:55] <shadeslayer> Installing libc6_2.15\~pre6-0ubuntu10_amd64.deb   solved the issue
[11:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: could you also test from ppa:rohangarg/nightly ?
[11:57] <shadeslayer> everything built last night
[11:57] <yofel> I'll be gone for an hour or so, will test then
[11:58] <shadeslayer> sure
[12:43] <shadeslayer> Telepathy KDE should be good to go in a hour
[13:31] <apachelogger> "We are sorry, rekonq closed unexpectedly"
[13:31] <apachelogger> a hell of a lot good that does, that you are sorry while all my data is lost in ram
[13:32] <yofel> apachelogger: calm down, make a cup of tea, then try again
[13:32] <apachelogger> try again to loose me data?
[13:32] <apachelogger> sure
[13:32] <yofel> well... what else am I supposed to say? -.-
[13:33] <apachelogger> so, things apachelogger needs to fork so that he feels obgliated to make them not crash: plasma, rekonq
[13:33]  * yofel wonders in the meanwhile why dconf-editor doesn't have a search function...
[13:33] <apachelogger> oh right, plasma also crashed earlier
[13:33] <apachelogger> for no apparent reason
[13:33] <apachelogger> as plasma usually does
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:35] <yofel> ok, now dconf-editor froze
[13:35] <yofel> what a nice piece of software
[13:36] <yofel> hey BluesKaj
[13:36] <apachelogger> much like all the other free software
[13:36]  * apachelogger reboots into windows 8
[13:36] <BluesKaj> hi yofel 
[13:45] <BluesKaj> what purpose does the dconf-editor have ?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> yofel,  ^
[13:45] <yofel> much the same as gconf-editor - I was trying to dig through my gnome settings as I messed something up there
[13:55] <yofel> now this is fun, trying to run gnome-tweak-tool in kubuntu doesn't work at all. Seems you need to run a full gnome session to change any gnome settings
[13:55] <yofel> thanks to everything running over dbus
[13:55] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[13:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: wait, then the tool should start a session if something is missing
[13:56] <yofel> ah, on second try gnome-tweak-tool isn't totally unresponsive
[13:56] <apachelogger> "We are sorry, KDE Control Module closed unexpectedly."
[13:56] <apachelogger> I lol'd
[13:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, I already filed a bug about it not depending on gnome-settings-daemon
[13:56] <yofel> as it core dumped without that
[13:56] <apachelogger> so on a new setup of 11.10 I can make plasma go kaboom, I can go rekonq go kaboom and random kcms
[13:56] <shadeslayer> hah
[13:56] <apachelogger> something seems utterly wrong
[13:56]  * shadeslayer wonders if he can make apachelogger go kaboom
[13:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: PPA revu's are awesome
[13:57] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:57] <apachelogger> so is unity
[13:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: with the daemon the terminal output looks like this: http://paste.kde.org/205760
[13:57] <shadeslayer> does it have DBus shit ? 
[13:57] <shadeslayer> I can't look at DBus again
[13:57] <yofel> plenty
[13:58]  * shadeslayer goes blind
[13:58] <shadeslayer> jasdbasdasasdasdbas
[13:58] <apachelogger> what's your problem with dbus?
[13:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it sucks, end of topic
[13:58] <apachelogger> at least it does not 'close unexpectedly'
[13:58] <shadeslayer> yeah it explodes
[13:58]  * shadeslayer sends some love to his sockets
[13:59] <apachelogger> yofel: I am all python for you
[13:59] <yofel> "dear user, we're sorry, but a d-BUS crashed into your system"
[13:59] <shadeslayer> git by a d-BUS? :P
[13:59] <yofel> :D
[14:00] <apachelogger> gawd
[14:00] <apachelogger> pyth0rn is such a silly language it makes me barf
[14:01] <shadeslayer> "pyth0rn is such a silly language it makes me barf gLib"
[14:01]  * shadeslayer kicks launchpad for not publishing packages
[14:01] <yofel> seen vala yet?
[14:02] <yofel> whoever invented that was a total java fanboy
[14:02] <shadeslayer> seen mindfuck?
[14:02] <shadeslayer> s/mind/brain/
[14:02] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "seen brainfuck?"
[14:02] <yofel> heh
[14:02] <yofel> *that* yes ^^
[14:02] <yofel> perfectly sane implementation
[14:03] <yofel> compared to launchpadlib
[14:03]  * shadeslayer wonders what would happen if he wrote a string of 0's and 1's in a file and executed it
[14:05]  * yofel is impressed how "advanced" gnome-tweak-tool is, you need to be advanced enough to know what every setting means without it saying what it is!
[14:06] <yofel> http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/gtt.png
[14:08] <apachelogger> very dark
[14:09] <shadeslayer> precise testers needed : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+packages
[14:09] <shadeslayer> !testers
[14:18] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,  I hope you guys don't mind. I think I'll sit this one out , since I don't run telepathy at all 
[14:18] <shadeslayer> sure no problem :)
[14:46] <dholbach> yofel, Riddell, shadeslayer and everyone else: does http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/02/09/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-13/ look alright to you?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> stupid chrome
[14:48] <apachelogger> use rekonq
[14:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah opened fine in that
[14:49] <shadeslayer> and boom
[14:49] <dholbach> damn, I seem to be too stupid to embed a video
[14:49] <dholbach> grmbl
[14:49] <BluesKaj> apachelogger,  I tried using rekonq , wished it would work well etc , i gave it a chance , but it's not very stable , it's unrelaible
[14:50] <BluesKaj> here
[14:50] <dholbach> wordpress always removes it again
[14:50] <BluesKaj> dholbach,  opens fine on chromium here
[14:51] <shadeslayer> dholbach: " to be made we get the source tarballs a " , shouldn't that read as, " ... all distro packagers get the source tarballs ..."
[14:51] <dholbach> BluesKaj, is the video shown in the post?
[14:52] <dholbach> shadeslayer, ok, changing it - thanks :)
[14:52] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: rekonq unreliable, you must be kidding :P
[14:53] <apachelogger> it reliably crashes once per day
[14:53] <Riddell> dholbach: I can't read it but it looks fine at a glance
[14:54] <shadeslayer> stupid glib
[14:54] <BluesKaj> apachelogger,  it is for me , unfortunately , and dholbach, I see some images there , but no video
[14:54] <dholbach> Riddell, no worries, take it easy :)
[14:54] <dholbach> yeah, we're working out the video bit now
[14:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what's all this ranting about glib about?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, I tell you what ..I'll reinstall rekonq and report back 
[14:55] <apachelogger> actually I think most rekonq issues might come from qtwebkit
[14:55] <apachelogger> of which we have a snapshot or something
[14:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/205802/
[14:58] <shadeslayer> *grumble* flash *grumble*
[15:02] <apachelogger> \o/
[15:04] <ghostcube> hmm, will there be any change if ubuntu wont be paying for kubuntu any longer?
[15:05] <Riddell> gnomefreak: the change is in what I can do on my work time
[15:06] <debfx> yofel: I have already filed a bug about apparmor rules needed to support oxygen-gtk: bug #914382 
[15:06] <ghostcube> Riddell: ah ok 
[15:08] <BluesKaj> apachelogger,  crashes , on igoogle  with, "Executable: rekonq PID: 4184 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)"
[15:09] <apachelogger> and what is the backtrace?
[15:12] <dholbach> alright, posted to omg as well
[15:12] <BluesKaj> apachelogger,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/835318/
[15:12] <dholbach> thanks guys!
[15:16] <yofel> debfx: ah, I had filed one about evince
[15:16] <yofel> *against
[15:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/929384
[15:18] <yofel> really? my reboot worked fine though, but I used an older kernel
[15:20] <yofel> ok, whatever I did, now my gtk settings are totally foobared...
[15:20] <yofel> either that or oxygen-gtk became qtcurve suddenly
[15:21] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:22] <yofel> *now* I need to find out why firefox uses qtcurve with .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 has gtk-theme-name="oxygen-gtk"
[15:22] <yofel> s/has/having/
[15:22] <kubotu> yofel meant: "*now* I need to find out why firefox uses qtcurve with .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 having gtk-theme-name="oxygen-gtk""
[15:29] <debfx> yofel: the oxygen-gtk stuff should be in an abstraction but someone needs to bring it up on the apparmor list
[15:31] <debfx> I wonder what happens to translation stripping once the kde packages are demoted to universe
[15:31] <debfx> apparently it can be done for universe packages too but I'm not sure what the policy is
[15:38] <yofel> great, killed xsettings-kde and my gtk theme is right again
[15:38]  * yofel goes back to debugging
[15:38] <yofel> at least it "works" somewhat now
[15:50] <yofel> hm
[15:54] <shadeslayer> debfx: heh, good point
[16:01] <Riddell> dholbach: from tazz http://paste.kde.org/205934/
[16:01] <dholbach> Riddell, part 1 is fixed
[16:01] <dholbach> thanks for the other updates
[16:02]  * yofel forgot to read the post... reading
[16:06] <yofel> dholbach: in the 12.04 news: "he is still supporting the Oxygen theme" should be "...he is still working on supporting the Oxygen theme..." - I'm not done yet.
[16:07] <dholbach> ok
[16:07] <apachelogger> still? :O
[16:07] <yofel> and that sounds like we plan on ending support for it ^^
[16:07] <apachelogger> yofel: do you track your work on a bug somewhere?
[16:07] <yofel> apachelogger: packaging: DONE, setup: INPROGRESS
[16:07] <yofel> packaging had a bug, default setup doesn't
[16:07] <apachelogger> well, I mean what when  and why you get held up :P
[16:08] <dholbach> thanks a bunch
[16:08] <dholbach> updated
[16:08] <yofel> xsettings stupidity? If I don't get this working by tomorrow I'll dump that and try to add a gtk3 tab to kcm-gtk which uses the ini file
[16:09] <apachelogger> well
[16:09] <apachelogger> I still think gtk needs fixing
[16:10] <afiestas> in which package is /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher ?
[16:10] <afiestas> kdelibs?
[16:10] <yofel> afiestas: dpkg -S <file> will tell you that
[16:10] <afiestas> yofel: thanks!
[16:13] <agateau> hey, stupid question: what would be the deadline for a lightdm-kde package to enter universe?
[16:13] <yofel> 16th (feature freeze)
[16:13] <yofel> unless you have a good reason and can file a feature freeze exception. Then it's final freeze
[16:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: dude, tested packages?
[16:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan_: packages up for testing, I'm going to move them to the telepathy PPA over the weekend
[16:15] <shadeslayer> uhh
[16:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: can you open Help > About KDE from any KDE application?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> Is it just me or am I missing a parantheses there
[16:16] <yofel> not just you....
[16:16] <yofel> Platform Version 4.8.00 (4.8.0
[16:16] <shadeslayer> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/09/plasma-desktopVX9123.png
[16:16] <shadeslayer> hahahaha
[16:16] <agateau> yofel: thanks
[16:17] <yofel> shadeslayer: installing telepathy, blame people distracting me
[16:17] <yofel> and xsettings
[16:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: poke em in the eye
[16:17] <yofel> on second thought, blame just xsettings
[16:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw presence plasmoid was the wrong arch, so the updated package might not be published yet 
[16:19] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+files/plasma-widget-telepathy-presence_0.3.0-0ubuntu1~ppa3_amd64.deb
[16:19] <yofel> ah
[16:19] <shadeslayer> use that ^ for amd64
[16:19] <shadeslayer> yeah, they switched out the internals for a C++ lib
[16:19] <yofel> it's already ~ppa3 here
[16:19] <shadeslayer> oh cool
[16:20] <shadeslayer> I thought LP waited for both binaries to be built
[16:20] <yofel> uh no, it doesn't
[16:20] <yofel> else we wouldn't have archive screwup all the time
[16:20] <shadeslayer> didn't know :)
[16:21] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:21]  * yofel looks for something to bang his head against
[16:22]  * yofel uses the door
[16:22] <yofel> ok, having a different version of xsettings-kde installed than you originally built for testing sure doesn't help in getting it to work
[16:22] <yofel> -.-
[16:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: the plasma widget has no icon
[16:25] <shadeslayer> uhh
[16:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: works fine here
[16:25] <yofel> feel like an empty panel space that I can right click to get an IM menu
[16:25] <yofel> *feels
[16:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/09/plasma-desktopvm9123.png
[16:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: restart plasma?
[16:26] <yofel> ...
[16:26] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:26] <yofel> well, I'll reboot, my gtk theme is messed up somehow again
[16:26] <yofel> at least telepathy connected to jabber
[16:27] <shadeslayer> yay
[16:28] <yofel> still no icon
[16:28] <shadeslayer> refresh cache and then restart plasma? :P
[16:28] <yofel> gtk works again at least
[16:28] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:29] <yofel> we sure are becoming an OS for windows switchers
[16:29] <yofel> "check fixing issues by rebooting works" -> checked
[16:29] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:30] <shadeslayer> sadly true at times
[16:31] <yofel> nope, dumped kdecache contents and it still doesn't work
[16:31] <shadeslayer> wth
[16:31] <yofel> which widget was one supposed to use? I added the presence one
[16:31] <shadeslayer> yeah that one
[16:32] <shadeslayer> and the context menu shows up on a right click?
[16:32] <shadeslayer> try setting your presence to online via the context menu
[16:33] <yofel> shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/tel.png
[16:34] <yofel> changing status doesn't do a thing
[16:35] <shadeslayer> yofel: try : plasmoidviewer org.kde.telepathy-presence
[16:37] <yofel> This object could not be created for the following reason: Could not find requested component: org.kde.telepathy-presence
[16:37] <yofel> plasma-widget-telepathy-presence:
[16:37] <yofel>   Installed: 0.3.0-0ubuntu1~ppa3
[16:38] <shadeslayer> absolutely no idea, ask in #kde-telepathy
[16:39] <shadeslayer> I'm re installing neon as of now
[16:39] <shadeslayer> O_O
[16:39] <shadeslayer> htop crashed
[16:40] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/205988/
[16:42] <yofel> shadeslayer: where are you installing the telepathy icons btw.?
[16:42] <yofel> or are those shipped with oxygen-icons?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> nope, see kde-telepathy-data ( that's where they are shipped iirc )
[16:48] <yofel> hm, yeah, that's installed
[16:49] <shadeslayer> dunno why they don't show up for you ... 
[16:49] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: remove the plasmoid, quit plasma, start it from console and re add it again
[16:50] <shadeslayer> looking for debug output
[16:53] <apachelogger> perhaps your cache is broken
[16:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, but I think he refreshed his cache
[16:54] <yofel> I already dumped /var/tmp/kdecache-yofe completely...
[16:54] <yofel> l
[16:54] <shadeslayer> is that the same as kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental?
[16:55] <yofel> no idea, but *that* didn't help either
[16:56] <shadeslayer> any debug output on the konsole?
[16:58] <yofel> nothing about telepathy
[16:59] <yofel> except some jabber connection logs in xsession-errors
[17:00] <BluesKaj> yofel,  what's the actual telepathy package name in the repos ?
[17:00] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: there isn't one in the repos yet
[17:00] <yofel> BluesKaj: that's from shadeslayer's ppa:rohangarg/nightly
[17:00] <BluesKaj> I'm curious to try it
[17:01] <shadeslayer> but I have 0.3 packages in : ppa:rohangarg/nightly 
[17:01] <shadeslayer> meta package is kde-telepathy
[17:01] <BluesKaj> ok thanks , I'll check it out, shadeslayer , yofel
[17:02] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: please report any borkage
[17:05] <shadeslayer> yofel: no luck yet?
[17:05] <yofel> I'm just installing it on my eeePC
[17:05] <yofel> that system is less broken than my thinkpad
[17:05] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,  well ,yes , but i have figure telepathy out first ..never used it :)
[17:05] <BluesKaj> have to
[17:05] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: it's quite simple :)
[17:06] <yofel> ah well, i386 not built yet
[17:06] <yofel> maybe that's the issue here too
[17:08] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,  what about the suggested packages , are they necessary for a proper install ?
[17:09] <yofel> and telepathy crashed
[17:09] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: hmm .... I'd say you need them if you want more than just Jabber
[17:09] <shadeslayer> like some provide ICQ
[17:09] <shadeslayer> MSN, etc 
[17:09] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,  ok thanks..not much of a jabber user 
[17:10] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:11] <BluesKaj> tried jabber waaay back in my w98 days , and there wasn't much action then 
[17:19] <BluesKaj> heh, forgoten all my IM accts, haven't used them for long time , msn especially
[17:19] <BluesKaj> oh well , so much for telepathy :)
[17:25] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,  sorry , telepathy isn't for me :(
[17:25] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:25] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: what happened?
[17:26] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: because we might replace the defauly IM client in the future
[17:26] <BluesKaj> my accts are all expired with msn etc
[17:26] <shadeslayer> and KDE Telepathy is a strong contender
[17:26] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: uh, so renew them?
[17:27] <BluesKaj> I use google talk directly in the  browser , to talk with my family ...they're all on igoogle 
[17:31] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[17:55] <yofel> shadeslayer: btw. how do I tell telepathy to start connected?
[17:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: like at boot?
[17:56] <yofel> well yeah, on login
[17:56] <shadeslayer> I don't think you can do that just now
[17:56] <yofel> -.-
[17:56] <shadeslayer> login -> click the plasmoid -> set status as online
[17:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: file a bug?
[17:56] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: altho, you seem to have alot of problems with the app itself
[17:58] <yofel> yeah
[17:58] <shadeslayer> and I don't even know why it doesn't accept contacts
[17:58] <shadeslayer> d_ed says it's supposed to be working
[17:58] <yofel> wait, I'll purge my settings
[17:59] <yofel> *telepathy* settings
[18:00] <yofel> where does that even put it's settings o.O?
[18:01] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:01] <shadeslayer> I don't think we have alot of settings
[18:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: it's probably called ktp-foo
[18:01] <yofel> found something in .cache
[18:01] <yofel> ah
[18:02] <shadeslayer> whee
[18:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: something is broken in adding contacts
[18:07] <yofel> I'm just installing on my eeePC now that i386 is published
[18:09] <yofel> wtf
[18:10] <yofel> I think I saw the icon for a split second when adding the widget before it went away here
[18:11] <Riddell> golly KDE is still the most popular amongst the geeks who read this website http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2011-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-95/desktop-environment-of-the-year-919888/
[18:11] <yofel> anyway
[18:11]  * yofel gets back to xsettings
[18:11] <Riddell> and xfce is way up there, poor old gnome
[18:13] <apachelogger> yofel: all that time
[18:13] <apachelogger> you could have learned C Glib GTK+ and fixed gtk
[18:14] <yofel> 1) I already know somewhat 2) not really 3) please spare me
[18:14] <apachelogger> u lazy :*
[18:14] <yofel> :P
[18:15] <BluesKaj> apachelogger,  so what did you think of the rekonq crash backtrace , were there any hints as to the problem there ?
[18:16] <yofel> hey BarkingFish
[18:22] <Riddell> rekonq has a new edition needing packaged
[18:22] <Riddell> no use looking at backtraces until that's done
[18:25] <BluesKaj> ok Riddell , thanks,  rekonq needs some work from the way it runs on my setup
[18:27] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: I think that flash is crashing rekonq
[18:28] <apachelogger> read 'I know'
[18:28] <apachelogger> think sounds cooler though
[18:28] <apachelogger> also it suggest sI do thinking
[18:28] <apachelogger> Mamarok: departing work nowish
[18:28] <BluesKaj> apachelogger,  , yeah , it looks that way to me as well
[18:31] <BluesKaj> apachelogger,  flash wasn't working at all until the latest upgrades to libc6 , here
[18:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: BluesKaj known issues with rekonq and flash btw
[18:45] <shadeslayer> still exists in the current beta iirc
[18:45] <shadeslayer> also I found a bug
[18:45] <shadeslayer> rekonq can't parse http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Bugs
[18:45] <shadeslayer> I see raw html all over the place
[18:49] <yofel> uname -r
[18:49] <yofel> bah
[18:53] <BluesKaj> BBL. other business needs attention
[18:54] <BarkingFish> yofel! Hi dude, sorry I missed your ping. Didn't realise I was connected to the net.  Musta left the automatic connection enabled in nm-applet :)
[18:54] <BarkingFish> How you doing?
[18:55]  * BarkingFish settles down to work, complete with coffee and beef ramen
[18:58] <yofel> BarkingFish: rather well, at least better than my progress on xsettings-kde
[18:58] <BarkingFish> ah. You having problems?
[19:00] <yofel> yeah, why does this C code crash at fclose(): http://paste.kde.org/206132
[19:01] <shadeslayer> erm
[19:06] <yofel> hm, I guess in fedore the surrounding code looks different
[19:06] <yofel> there was another fclose higher up in the code
[19:07] <yofel> +fedora
[19:07] <yofel> *fedora
[19:08] <yofel> note that the surrounding code is horrible
[19:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: I'd probably use while(!feof(file))
[19:08] <shadeslayer> and then read in the next line
[19:09]  * shadeslayer just freed up 6 GB of Disk space
[19:14] <BarkingFish> Sorry about that, net pinged out. As far as I can see, yofel - there is no reason whatsoever why that code should crash.
[19:17] <BarkingFish> Any chance you could direct me to the rest of the code which goes with it please? I'd like to see it in the context of what it's worked in with.
[19:19] <yofel> BarkingFish: dget https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/ppa/+files/xsettings-kde_0.12.3-0ubuntu1%7Eppa1.dsc
[19:20] <yofel> xsettings-kde.c line 456
[19:20] <BarkingFish> thanks
[19:20] <shadeslayer> alright, I'm off to bed, cya
[19:20] <yofel> gn
[19:21] <BarkingFish> night shadeslayer :)
[19:21] <shadeslayer> altho, I'm interested in why you get that crash
[19:21] <BarkingFish> i'll pick through it shadeslayer and see if I can twig what the heck is up with it.
[19:22] <BarkingFish> anyone remember what the operand is for getting tar to undo a tar.bz2?
[19:22] <BarkingFish> I know it's -zvxf for a tar.gz
[19:23] <yofel> j for bzw, but in this case just dpkg-source -x <dscfile>
[19:23] <yofel> *j for bz2
[19:23] <yofel> tar xf should also just work
[19:23] <BarkingFish> okies, thanks
[19:23] <BarkingFish> long time since I've used tar on a cli :)
[19:24] <Darkwing> Riddell: ping
[19:25] <BarkingFish> ok, got it open, yofel - I'm taking a peek now
[19:26] <BarkingFish> Does it compile OK, yofel, or do you get any errors & warnings?
[19:27] <yofel> I get glib deprecation warnings, but that's all
[19:27] <yofel> and it compiles, just crashes
[19:28] <shadeslayer> BarkingFish: it free's buffer and then uses buffer agin
[19:28] <shadeslayer> *again
[19:28] <shadeslayer> is that even valid?
[19:28] <shadeslayer> doesn't free deallocate the memory
[19:28] <Riddell> Darkwing: hi
[19:29] <yofel> well, buffer is char *buffer = NULL in the first place
[19:29] <shadeslayer> so, shouldn't you allocate memory before using it?
[19:29] <Darkwing> Riddell: greetings, What is the bandwidth of your ec2 monthy?
[19:29] <Darkwing> Monthly
[19:30] <yofel> shadeslayer: man 3 getline says it automatically allocates the memory
[19:30] <yofel> although there might be a memory leak there if anything
[19:30] <shadeslayer> okay, I usually use fgets
[19:30] <yofel> also I didn't write that, that's (C) fedora
[19:30] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:30] <yofel> more like (C) Kevin
[19:30] <shadeslayer> more like (C) Red Hat
[19:30] <Riddell> Darkwing: it's ec2, there's as much bandwidth as is needed but it costs per MB
[19:30] <shadeslayer> and Mandriva
[19:31] <Darkwing> Riddell: I was asking more of what is used.
[19:31] <Riddell> Darkwing: I can charge canonical up to some limit, dunno what it is, quite generous, maybe $300
[19:31] <Darkwing> A month?
[19:31] <Riddell> Darkwing: it's not enough to be hosting ISOs etc
[19:31] <Riddell> Darkwing: yes, at a guess
[19:32] <yofel> shadeslayer: see gdb http://paste.kde.org/206150
[19:32] <Riddell> Darkwing: oh "Canonical/Ubuntu, will be refunded as an expense for up to US $100 per calendar month (to a maximum of US $300 in one year) "
[19:32] <Riddell> not so much then
[19:33] <Riddell> can't host files
[19:33] <Darkwing> We going to loose the build farm when you leave the Kubuntu project?
[19:34] <shadeslayer> huh
[19:35] <Riddell> Darkwing: I'll still be able to start ec2 instances for you when I'm around
[19:35] <Riddell> up to that limit
[19:35] <shadeslayer> yofel: possibly the fd gets corrupted
[19:35] <yofel> by... what?
[19:36] <shadeslayer> by some other concurrent operation?
[19:36] <yofel> hm
[19:36] <yofel> well,  this *is* threaded
[19:36] <shadeslayer> you could use a exclusive lock on the file
[19:36] <shadeslayer> trolololol
[19:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah I'd really recommend exclusively locking it
[19:37] <Darkwing> Riddell: Ahh, I was looking at dedicated servers last night.
[19:37] <Darkwing> I was just wondering what our build farms needed.
[19:38] <shadeslayer> 'x' iirc
[19:38] <shadeslayer> "Open the file exclusively (like the O_EXCL flag of open(2)). If the file already exists, fopen() fails, and sets errno to EEXIST. This flag is ignored for fdopen()."
[19:38] <shadeslayer> uh ...
[19:39]  * shadeslayer wonders what one needs to get a exclusive read lock on the file
[19:39] <Riddell> Darkwing: we don't have a build farm at the moment
[19:39] <Riddell> Darkwing: I want to make scripts to use ec2 to build KDE SC
[19:40] <Riddell> but don't know if I'll have time/energy
[19:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer wants to do something similar but we haven't talked about it yet
[19:40] <shadeslayer> me and yofel are going to start drawing up specs next week
[19:40] <shadeslayer> and possibly start implementing it
[19:40] <Riddell> "FW: Kubuntu Status" on kubuntu-devel, your first test at community management :)
[19:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: try applying the bt on all threads
[19:41] <shadeslayer> oh and try breaking at line 450
[19:41] <shadeslayer> and stepping through it one by one
[19:42] <yofel> I'm doing something else
[19:42] <yofel> renaming
[19:42] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[19:42] <yofel> as there are 2 places with fopen() here
[19:42] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:42] <yofel> one more file pointer won't hurg
[19:42] <yofel> *hurt
[19:42] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:44] <shadeslayer> yofel: what the hell is this anyway?
[19:44] <yofel> xsettings
[19:44] <yofel> for KDE
[19:44] <yofel> the X is already making this horrible, the part of it where it sets GTK stuff and uses a glib main loop pales in comparison
[19:45] <shadeslayer> well, yeah, but how does this relate to oxygen-gtk3?
[19:45] <yofel> it sets Net/ThemeName which is parsed by both gtk2 and 3, so should set the theme for both
[19:45] <shadeslayer> heh, it uses a GMainLoop? :P
[19:45] <yofel> g_main_loop_run (loop);
[19:46] <shadeslayer> fun
[19:47] <Darkwing> Riddell: would 2GB RAM and 1TB HD space be enough for a build farm?
[19:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: how do I crash it?
[19:52] <yofel> crashes here the moment I run it, as long as you have "gtk-theme-name" in your gtkrc (just go to kcm-gtk, select oxygen-gtk again and click apply)
[19:52] <yofel> great, if I throw the fclose(file); file=NULL; a few lines above out of the code it doesn't crash
[19:53] <yofel> ...
[19:54] <shadeslayer> where do you throw them?
[19:55] <shadeslayer> The thing doesn't even start here
[19:55] <yofel> as in?
[19:55] <yofel> line 433ff is what I commented out
[19:55] <shadeslayer> as in , I see 3 threads being created
[19:55] <yofel> well, it's a background process
[19:55] <yofel> except it doesn't crash for you...
[19:56] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:56] <shadeslayer> it doesn't crash then :P
[19:56] <shadeslayer> hahah :P
[19:56] <yofel> can you pastebin your gtkrc
[19:56] <yofel> ?
[19:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/206156
[19:57] <shadeslayer> that's .gtkrc-2.0-kde4
[19:57]  * yofel makes some coffee
[19:57] <yofel> this is stupid
[19:58] <shadeslayer> whut happened?
[19:58] <yofel> nothing, just that I don't get why this works for you
[19:59] <shadeslayer> magic
[20:00] <Darkwing> its works and you're stumped? 
[20:00] <Riddell> Darkwing: yes but it depends on the CPU
[20:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: I'm not sure if I'm an idiot, or gcc is compiling junk. If I move the fclose out of the if (file) it doesn't crash
[20:00] <shadeslayer> lolwot
[20:01] <yofel> doesn't matter if it's before or after the if block, it only crashes when it's *inside* it
[20:02] <Darkwing> Riddell: Atom 1.20ghz
[20:02] <shadeslayer> yofel: so it works when it's in the if(password) block?
[20:02] <yofel> sec
[20:03] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:03] <shadeslayer> I think the fclose should be outside the if(file) block
[20:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: this doesn't crash, but obviously doesn't work either http://paste.kde.org/206162
[20:04] <shadeslayer> because you open the file and if file = -1, then isn't it still open?
[20:05] <shadeslayer> yofel: try : http://paste.kde.org/206168/
[20:06] <Riddell> Darkwing: single core?  that's probably too slow
[20:06] <yofel> shadeslayer: crash
[20:06] <shadeslayer> boom
[20:06] <shadeslayer> yeah, was just testing out a theory, turns out I'm wrong 
[20:10] <yofel> hm, reliably crashes as lons as getline() is before fclose()
[20:10] <Darkwing> Riddell: This one would be better. i5 quad core 2.66Ghz, 2TB HD, 16GB RAM, 100mbit connection, unmetered dedicated bandwidth $95USD month.
[20:11] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: setting up a build server for work?
[20:11]  * DasKreech hugs apoi 
[20:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: no idea, can't really say, libc6 is all sorts of screwed up
[20:12] <Darkwing> shadeslayer: I was thinking for all of us... plus, having a dedicated server for the things I'm using my home server for.
[20:12] <DasKreech> bah
[20:12] <Darkwing> Prolly setup OBS
[20:12] <shadeslayer> ^ :P
[20:12]  * DasKreech hugs apachelogger II: The Huggination
[20:12] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: I have a server as well, the only problem is bandwidth
[20:12] <shadeslayer> it's right in the next room, 1 Mbps connection :P
[20:13] <yofel> if you tell me how to install OBS on my server I might give it a try
[20:13] <Darkwing> shadeslayer: it's 10TB Bandwidth at 100mbit, after 10TB it gets trunked to a 10mbit conection.
[20:13] <Darkwing> *Connection
[20:13] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: but why ?
[20:13] <yofel> my upload bandwith would probably not survive you downloading packages though
[20:14] <shadeslayer> I mean, is this just for test builds?
[20:14] <Darkwing> shadeslayer: OBS is a package builder
[20:14] <shadeslayer> we need delta debs
[20:14] <yofel> if it's for test builds, we can just use the real OBS for stable releases
[20:14] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: I know,  but then, what about launchpad?
[20:14] <yofel> and PPA's aren't *that* unusable
[20:15] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:15] <shadeslayer> do we lose ninjas too?
[20:15] <yofel> I hope not, but Riddell would have to answer that
[20:15] <yofel> if we do a dedicated server might be a good idea
[20:15] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:15] <Darkwing> I've been needing a dedicated server for a while. I figured I would share the wealth. :)
[20:15] <shadeslayer> if we lose ninjas, then we'll need our own server
[20:16] <Darkwing> $95USD/mo isn't that bad.
[20:16] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: 95 USD a month isn't bad
[20:16] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:16] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:17] <Darkwing> I've used the company before.
[20:17] <shadeslayer> I'm waiting for these guys to get stock : http://buyvm.net/
[20:18] <shadeslayer> No stock as of now : http://www.doesbuyvmhavestock.com/
[20:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't expect so
[20:18] <shadeslayer> \o/
[20:19] <Darkwing> http://www.santrex.net/dedicated-servers-france.php
[20:21] <shadeslayer> okay, really off to sleep
[20:21] <shadeslayer> nighters
[21:05] <Kurdistan> hi dear people
[21:06] <Kurdistan> I have proposal. is it possible to have kde-gtk-config package avaible in the repo and installed by default?
[21:06] <Kurdistan> it will help a lot to get gtk application look good in Kubuntu. 
[21:07] <Kurdistan> Right now gtk-application looks terrible and the letters are hard to read
[21:08] <Kurdistan> take a look: http://packages.netrunner-os.com/pool/main/k/kde-gtk-config/
[21:09] <Kurdistan> I think does thinks will make Kubuntu even better. 
[21:12] <Riddell> Kurdistan: ask Aleix Pol if we want it
[21:13] <ezjd> Hello, am I in right channel to discuss PA for Kubuntu and Kubuntu for ARM? #kubuntu doesn't seem to be :-(
[21:13] <Kurdistan> Riddell, is he here?
[21:15] <Riddell> Kurdistan: no
[21:16] <Riddell> ezjd: probably but I don't know if anyone is about.  what is PA?
[21:16] <Riddell> oh, Plasma Active, we need someone to take the initiative and package it
[21:16] <Kurdistan> Riddell, what do you think about this installed by default: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=139643
[21:16] <Kurdistan> this can help does people that dual-boots ( I am only simple linux user. but for others).
[21:17] <Riddell> Kurdistan: it needs major QA to ensure it doesn't break users computers.  our CDs are oversized already
[21:17] <Kurdistan> Riddell, only way to reach him is from mailig-list? I am not a fan of mainling list. :)
[21:17] <Riddell> Kurdistan: identity.kde.org
[21:18] <ezjd> My personal interest is in ARM, but I don't mind work on PA for x86 :-) So what is status of Plasma Active in Kubuntu?
[21:18] <Kurdistan> Riddell, for me cd size does not matter, I wanted kubuntu to be perfect and userfriendly right from start.
[21:18] <Riddell> ezjd: nothing, we need someone to take the initiative and package it
[21:18] <Riddell> we have a spec and want it done
[21:18] <yofel> ezjd: you want to talk to rbelem about ARM, he should know best what needs doing
[21:18] <yofel> it's just tricky to catch him online
[21:19] <ezjd> I can help on that. 
[21:19] <Kurdistan> Riddell, is identity.kde.org chatt place?
[21:19] <Riddell> Kurdistan: no
[21:19] <ezjd> yofel: can I reach rbelem by email?
[21:19] <ezjd> I am not irc guy too :-)
[21:20] <Riddell> ezjd: first step is to find out what needs packaged and what patches to apply to kde platform, next step is to package it, final step is to make CD images and test and release
[21:21] <Kurdistan> Riddell, if you know aleix :) it maybe would be easier you can ask him? then I do not need to register (endless registrations) a account.
[21:21] <yofel> fabo has active on his todo list
[21:21] <yofel> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-kubuntu-active
[21:22] <yofel> ezjd: rbelem's contact info is on https://launchpad.net/~rbelem
[21:23] <ezjd> Riddell: I did build PA1 a couple of months ago, and am thinking to start a PPA for PA2 or above but as there is kubuntu-active PPA, I can help that too.
[21:23] <Riddell> Kurdistan: sorry I'm ill
[21:23] <Kurdistan> one thing. is it only for me or other, I have problem with plymouth during boot up.
[21:23] <Kurdistan> when I installed nvidia blobs
[21:24] <Riddell> ezjd: yeah that would be good
[21:24] <yofel> ezjd: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa
[21:24] <Kurdistan> I have tried every tweak out there it does not work. But the good looking kubuntu logo during shutdown looks amazing after all tweaks.
[21:24] <yofel> not much going on there lately, so I'm not sure what the current status is
[21:25] <Kurdistan> Riddell, I wish you better health. nothing serious I hope?
[21:25] <Riddell> sadly yes but I'm recovering
[21:25] <yofel> Kurdistan: the nvidia blob has no KMS support, thus makes plymouth not bad by letting it work in low-res mode
[21:26]  * Riddell sleeps
[21:26]  * yofel sets his tty resolution by hand
[21:26] <Kurdistan> yofel, okey is it any way to fix it?
[21:26] <ezjd> Who should I talk to discuss the details about kubuntu active ppa, such as how to develop for it?
[21:26] <Kurdistan> I have alwayes been able in other buntus to fix it
[21:27] <yofel> ezjd: rbelem and I think Quintasan_
[21:27] <yofel> I haven't worked on that at all since last summer due to lack of hardware
[21:27] <Kurdistan> Riddell, take care my friend. we need to in shape. 
[21:27] <Kurdistan> *need you
[21:28] <ezjd> Thanks yofel!
[21:29] <yofel> Kurdistan: let's move to #kubuntu, this is support
[21:32] <Kurdistan> bye guys/girls. bed time. 
[21:51] <apachelogger> is it me or is http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/how-kubuntu-did-not-change/#comment-1618 not really saying anything?
[21:51] <apachelogger> other than using funny words that one would not be allowed to say in an ubuntu channel
[22:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: long, rambling, doesn't add anything to the debate, strong language means it could provoke troll responses so feel free to delete it
[22:03] <em> What is the best way for someone who isn't exceptionally technical, but maybe intermediate, to contribute to Kubuntu?
[22:04] <Riddell> em: bug triage with some training, ISO and package testing if they can hang around on IRC and take an hour or three when it's needed
[22:07] <em> Riddell: Okay I will look into it.
[22:11] <damian> Is anyone free to assist me, I need a question to be cleared up and due to fact I have been looking around google and the ubuntu packaging site even Fedora too; I am still stuck at one command so if all else fails ask.
[22:11] <Riddell> em: we can add you to our !testers ping if you are likely to be on irc here 
[22:11] <Riddell> damian: is it about kubuntu development?
[22:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: this means our issue is finally solves? kde bug 238303
[22:12] <damian> .
[22:13] <Riddell> agateau: hmm messageing indicator needs telepathy-kde integration I suspect
[22:13] <damian> well I would say that I was looking into becoming a packager for kubuntu if that makes any sense, so I started a launcdpad account i spelled that one
[22:14] <soee> sorry for the same question again but, how the lates builds of 12.04 works ?
[22:14] <Riddell> soee: alpha 2 works for me
[22:14] <agateau> Riddell: indeed, would be nice
[22:14] <Riddell> damian: then ask it and maybe someone will answer (I'm somewhat ill)
[22:14] <soee> Riddell, "stable" as it can be at this stage ?
[22:14] <Riddell> soee: alpha 2 works for me
[22:14] <soee> ;]
[22:15] <soee> Riddell, ok thank you
[22:15] <em> Riddell: Yes I'm always here.
[22:15] <Riddell> Tm_T: please add em to !testers
[22:15] <em> Riddell: Sometimes Im not at the keyboard but if I were Id like to get pinged.
[22:16] <damian> ok thanks,well I was trying to do the gpg --send-keys command, but no matter what I keep getting the WARNING nothing exported; I added the keyserver even --keyserver command as well, but nothing just the same error.
[22:16] <damian> is there something I am doing wrong?
[22:19] <Riddell> damian: dunno sorry, check that gpg --list-keys lists anything
[22:19] <Riddell> try using kgpg
[22:19] <Riddell> try asking on a mailing list if irc doesn't help
[22:20] <Tm_T> aye aye sir
[22:20] <damian> lol I got it wrong information I was following thanks for your assistance and get well soon.
[22:21] <damian> yea got to figure out the mailing list thing too "Uncharted water indeed"
[22:21] <BarkingFish> yofel: In relation to xsettings-kde, I've been through it three times now and still can't see where it's going wrong
[22:21] <yofel> nvm, I'll look at this tomorrow
[22:21] <Tm_T> Riddell: done
[22:21] <yofel> worst case we I go with plan b
[22:22] <BarkingFish> which is?
[22:22] <yofel> use the gtk ini file
[22:22] <yofel> not kde specific, but at least works reliably
[22:25] <Riddell> damian: to be a packager there are plenty of guides of varying levels of usefulness, but mostly you need to study exiting simple packages then make your own simple package
[22:25]  * yofel is off to bed - good night
[22:26] <Riddell> and ask here if stuck
[22:26] <Riddell> night yofel 
[22:26] <Riddell> some of us are already in bed :)
[22:27] <BarkingFish> bbfn yofel
[22:27] <BarkingFish> let me know how you get on with the gtk ini, if you're still stuck I'm about most of tomorrow
[22:30] <Riddell> anything we should put in the release team weekly meeting?  I think it's a case of "nothing useful this week"
[22:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: yofel has yet to succeed in making gtk useful, we propose dropping it from the archive due to sillyness :P
[22:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: dropping gtk from the archive, I'm all for it but the ubuntu desktop people might complain :)
[22:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, you can still bring it up :P
[22:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh you mean for the release meeting?
[22:42] <apachelogger> yes
[22:42] <apachelogger> that has impact on the release quality of kubuntu after all, I guess
[22:43] <Riddell> ok will do
[22:46] <apachelogger> perfect, now I can go to bed or something
[22:46] <apachelogger> oh, I could watch some doctor who first
[22:47] <Riddell> surely you've watched them all before
[22:47] <Riddell> if you really want your fix you'd listen to the dr who radio plays on radio 4 extra
[22:48] <Riddell> 21:06 < Kurdistan> I have proposal. is it possible to have kde-gtk-config package avaible in the repo and installed by default?
[22:48] <Riddell> apol: question for you ^^
[22:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: problem is that I might fall asleep then :)
[22:56] <apol> maybe too late?
[22:56] <apol> Riddell: it's definitely possible
[22:57] <apol> today i've been contacted by a debian developer who is meaning to package it
[22:57] <Riddell> apol: what's the advantage over the gtk kcm we already have?
[22:57] <apol> Riddell: it has previews and gtk3 support
[22:58] <apol> also icons, I think the current doesn't have
[22:58] <apol> and it lets you download themes from gnome-look too
[22:59] <Riddell> sounds like we want it
[23:00] <Riddell> just needs someone to do it :)
[23:00]  * apachelogger points out that it would be cool to name it kde-config-gtk to be in line with the debian policy regarding kcm naming :)
[23:08] <apachelogger> uh oh
[23:08] <apachelogger> apol: I was wondering why the tarball is so big... it contains a build folder, I guess that is not intentional? 
[23:12] <apol> apachelogger: what tarball?
[23:13] <apol> Riddell: what needs to be done exactly?
[23:13] <apol> apachelogger: well if there's a build directory that's definitely unintentinal
[23:13] <apol> anyhow the way to get the source is kde:kde-gtk-config :P
[23:16] <Riddell> apol: package it, test, upload, get archive admin to review, get it into main, put into seed, all by next thursday
[23:20] <apol> oh wow
[23:20] <apachelogger> makes you wonder
[23:20] <apol> Riddell: I'll ping you tomorrow then :p
[23:20] <apachelogger> all that and yet rekonq on 11.10 manages t ocrash once a day :P
[23:20] <Riddell> :)
[23:20]  * apol is going to sleep then
[23:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: new version for the packaging!
[23:20] <apachelogger> that doesn't help 1110 now, does it? :P
[23:24] <Riddell> a backport/SRU might