[00:02] <cjohnston> jono: are we going to start doing the weekly loco call again?
[00:02] <jono> cjohnston, yeah, I would like to
[00:03] <cjohnston> ok... i just know we still had it on the schedule but hadnt had one in quite a while
[00:03] <cjohnston> fwiw jono, daker is the new PM for LTP, and I am the PM for summit
[00:04] <jono> cjohnston, oh awesome
[00:04] <jono> :-)
[00:08] <bkerensa> that would be interesting a weekly hangout for loco contacts on each continent
[00:08] <bkerensa> :P
[02:14]  * nigelb waves
[02:22] <mhall119> bkerensa: +1
[06:41] <bkerensa> mhall119: For hangouts?
[06:46] <bkerensa> hello jono :D
[06:47] <jono> hey bkerensa
[07:22] <bkerensa> jono do you by any chance know what kwaimuk, mulberry and humboldt  .canonical.com are?
[07:22] <bkerensa> :)
[07:22] <bkerensa> My system calls home to them quite a bit and another hostname or two
[07:22] <bkerensa> :D
[07:31] <Tm_T> bkerensa: ssssshhh, don't ruin our secret plan!
[07:35] <nigelb> lol
[08:05] <dpm> good morning everyone
[08:08] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:40] <jono> bed for me
[08:40] <jono> night all!
[09:29] <dholbach> nigelb, can we take http://daniel.holba.ch/review/ down?
[09:33] <dpm> dholbach, mhall119, I'm trying to help someone from the translations community who's working on a django project to allow translation of ubuntu-docs images. He's wondering whether the SECRET_KEY value is required at all in settings.py - looking at the LD code, it seems it isn't. Do you know anything about this value?
[09:33] <dpm> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltp-devs/loco-team-portal/0.2/view/head:/loco_directory/settings.py#L85
[09:47] <dholbach> dpm, it's set in local_settings.py
[09:47] <dholbach> so we don't have to share the actual value in the bzr branch
[09:48] <dpm> dholbach, ah, then that file is only stored in the server where the service is running, right?
[09:48] <dholbach> https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/settings/#secret-key
[09:48] <dholbach> yes
[09:48] <dholbach> dpm, ^
[09:49] <dpm> dholbach, thanks, that answers the question. Yeah, I had read the docs, but they don't mention standard practice in keeping the values in a safe place out of VCS
[10:00] <dpm> dholbach, we've already mistakenly shared the value on bzr. Do you happen to know whether we can just generate a new one, hide it in local_settings.py and forget about it? Or can it only be generated at the start of a project?
[10:01] <dholbach> yes
[10:01] <dpm> yes to 'we can just generate a new one...'?
[10:01] <dholbach> yes
[10:02] <dholbach> :)
[10:02]  * dpm hugs dholbach
[10:02]  * dholbach hugs dpm back
[14:07] <daker> hi
[14:28] <mhall119> dpm: as far as I know, the SECRET_KEY is really only used for generating session cookies
[14:50] <dholbach> who has some pro tips to embed youtube videos into a wordpress post?
[14:50] <dholbach> for some reason it does not show up
[14:50] <dholbach> it always gets removed again
[14:50] <dholbach> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/02/09/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-13/
[14:52] <mhall119> dholbach: did you paste it into the Visual editor or the HTML editor?
[14:52] <dpm> dholbach, you've probably already tried that, but I usually just add the url and it works on te post, although then they don't seem to show up when syndicated to the planet
[14:52] <dholbach> mhall119, I pasted the suggested embed stuff into the html view
[14:53] <dholbach> dpm, "add the url"?
[14:53] <dpm> yeah, just the youtube url
[14:53] <dholbach> dpm, add it where?
[14:53] <dpm> wait, let me see how I did it last time
[14:54] <iBkerensa> dholbach: heading to office
[14:54] <mhall119> oh no, bkerensa has gone Apple
[14:55] <dholbach> aha
[14:59] <bkerensa> mhall119:  There is no Ubuntu phone yet :P but I do want to get a droid... iphone is killing me
[15:02] <daker> dholbach, like this : [youtube=http://youtube.com/w/?v=_dIya1aJJKA]
[15:02] <dholbach> daker, in the end I just pasted the link to the video in there and removed all the surrounding <p> tags
[15:02] <dholbach> really weird
[15:02] <dholbach> but it worked
[15:07] <mhall119> dholbach: wordpress must do some magic handling for youtube urls
[15:08] <bkerensa> mhall119: This is wordpress magic http://i.imgur.com/DE7t4.png
[15:08] <bkerensa> :D
[15:36] <jcastro> dholbach: I didn't realized you had switched your hackergotchi to that picture
[15:36] <jcastro> it is excellent!
[15:36]  * dholbach hugs jcastro
[15:36] <dholbach> I'd love to go back there again
[15:38] <jcastro> "Daniel of Morocco"
[15:39] <dholbach> the desert particularly was just great
[15:40] <dholbach> I still have some jam made of dates here - we got it as a present - it's awesome
[15:41] <daker> dholbach, at the night the temperature is 0° right now
[15:41] <dholbach> daker, in Rabat/Salé?
[15:41] <daker> yes
[15:41] <dholbach> NUTS
[15:41] <jo-erlend> daker, you're lucky :)
[15:41] <daker> it snows at Dakhla
[15:41] <dholbach> wow
[15:42] <daker> in Algeria too it snows on the desert
[15:42] <jo-erlend> in Oslo, 0deg sounds pretty nice. Time to hit the beach and catch some rays! :)
[15:42] <daker> jo-erlend, 0° it's very very very very cold
[15:42] <dholbach> daker, in the guide book it said something like "Morocco is a cold country with a hot sun."
[15:43] <dholbach> so that it gets cold at night surprised me at first, but after I read the sentence it made sense :)
[15:43] <jcastro> deserts are alwats cold, people think deserts never get cold
[15:43] <jo-erlend> daker, not when you're used to -15 to -20 :)
[15:43] <jcastro> I'm from Michigan and the coldest I've ever been in my life was in a desert in california
[15:44] <jcastro> jo-erlend: it's the change that gets you, not the absolute temperature
[15:44] <jcastro> 100 in the day dropping to like 40 at night is brutal
[15:44] <jo-erlend> I really hope you're talking Fahrenheit now. :)
[15:44] <jo-erlend> 100 deg celsius is never anything other than deadly :)
[15:45] <jo-erlend> daker, was that 0deg fahrenheit?
[15:45] <dholbach> yeah, the night in the desert we had -4°C and around 30°C during the day - during the summer the differences are probably bigger :)
[15:45] <dholbach> jo-erlend, AFAIK there's just 3 countries using Fahrenheit - the USA, Belize and some other I forgot
[15:46] <daker> jo-erlend, celsius
[15:46] <jo-erlend> dholbach, we've had days like that in Norway too. I think last winter, we went from 25+ to 25- in one day. Fairly extreme stuff. That wasn't the same place though, if I remember correctly.
[15:46] <jo-erlend> we have -8C here now. That's kinda nice. :)
[15:49] <jo-erlend> during the olympics on Lillehammer in 1994, we had -40C to -50C. That was seriously cold. A lot less humidity there than in Oslo, though, so even though it was only -20something in Oslo, it felt quite a bit colder.
[15:52] <jcastro> It's 21C here in Florida!
[15:52] <jcastro> though, rain 2 days in a row, I don't know what's up with that
[15:52] <jo-erlend> jcastro,  that's just about perfect! I prefer 19-20 though, but 21 is good :)
[15:53] <jcastro> I prefer any weather where I can wear shorts.
[15:53] <jo-erlend> 10+ then? :)
[15:53] <dholbach> jo-erlend, I guess you can be lucky you live in the south of norway :)
[15:54] <jo-erlend> dholbach, usually. The weather is so strange these days. Last year, they had summer in Tromsø while we had winter in Oslo.
[15:54] <dholbach> I couldn't bear winter in the North of Norway
[15:54] <dholbach> dark all the time
[15:54] <dholbach> no, not for me
[15:55] <snap-l> jcastro: It's -1.1C here.
[15:55] <jo-erlend> I love the night sky, so I love dark nights.
[15:55] <jcastro> snap-l: yeah but you have hockey
[15:55] <snap-l> jcastro: Yep. Can't do much skating in 21C
[15:55] <jcastro> though the NHL app on my tablet live streams games, it's awesome
[15:55] <mhall119> jcastro: just wait until summer, it'll rain almost every day
[15:56] <snap-l> jcastro: We're never getting you back in MI are we? :)
[15:56] <snap-l> jcastro: Can't compete with Niko McBrain and 21C
[15:56] <mhall119> snap-l: shorts and sandals on Christmas morning?  Yeah, he's not going back
[15:57] <snap-l> mhall119: You can still wear shorts and sandals on Christmas morning
[15:57] <mhall119> I noticed in our team hangout yesterday that everyone was wearing a jacket except us Florida guys
[15:58] <snap-l> You'll be finding part of your butt on the ground from frostbite when you walk to the carm though.
[16:07] <dpm> hey everyone, could you give me a hand promoting the 'top 10 apps' post? It's on all the @ubuntuappdev accounts (Twitter, FB, G+) and on reddit http://www.reddit.com/tb/phqf0 - if someone could help spreading the word/voting, that'd be awesome, thanks!
[16:12] <dpm> Same for http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3571072 I've been experimenting with hacker news
[16:12] <bkerensa> dpm: stumbleupon
[16:12] <bkerensa> :D
[16:12] <dpm> yeah, that's the next one. I was just getting fed up with creating all sorts of accounts :)
[16:24] <jcastro> bkerensa: man you're crazy, the web tweetdeck is awesome
[16:25] <jcastro> snap-l: it's looking likely that I will probably end up back in MI, all depends on what Jill can find
[16:25] <snap-l> jcastro: figured that was the deciding factor
[16:26] <jcastro> basically the only one, I can live anywhere I have good internet
[16:26]  * snap-l starts cutting floridian cables. ;)
[16:27] <snap-l> using the power of my attack squirrel army.
[16:30] <daker> ahah so bye bye €
[16:40] <mhall119> snap-l: Florida ISPs don't need your help
[16:40] <mhall119> they're pretty good at ruining connections all on their own
[16:41] <snap-l> muhahahahaha
[16:41] <snap-l> Er, I mean "oh really?"
[16:41] <snap-l> do go on?
[16:42] <balloons> i think it's just the cable users who have issues :-)
[16:43] <balloons> the speed is slow for the cost in comparision to the rest of the world, but i've always had stability
[16:43] <mhall119> balloons: must not be on Brighthouse then
[16:43]  * mhall119 forgets who the g-ville monopoly is
[16:44] <balloons> no.. no matter where i live, everyone hates on the cable isp
[16:44] <balloons> who is always an evil monopoly
[16:44] <mhall119> my Verizon FiOS experience actually made me to back to Brighthouse
[16:44] <balloons> so i always take dsl, use my own equipment, and have linux handle the pptp connection, etc
[16:44] <snap-l> knock on router, I've been  happy with WOW!
[16:44] <balloons> rock solid
[16:45] <snap-l> Could stand to have better than 8/1, but it works.
[16:45] <balloons> i don't get 10 MBps down/up but i do get a good connection.. I think it's 6/2?
[16:46] <balloons> i downloaded a ubuntu iso once in 2 seconds.. thanksgiving day on the internal network at UF when I worked there. I was one of maybe a dozen people for a REALLY big fast connection. I could pull a huge amount of data quickly
[16:47] <balloons> honestly, the slow hard drive speeds may have started to be a factor :-p
[16:47] <snap-l> Apparently WOW! now as 15/1
[16:47] <snap-l> Wish they'd lift the upload cap to 2
[16:52] <balloons> ohh mhall119 for the record i think it's cox cable in gville?
[16:52] <mhall119> sounds familiar
[16:53] <mhall119> has anyone heard from jono today?
[16:54] <balloons> hmm.. no dice
[17:02] <jono> mhall119, sorry, going to be a few mins late
[17:02] <jono> can we start in 10 mins or so?
[17:03] <mhall119> jono: sure
[17:04] <jono> thanks mhall119
[17:06] <nigelb> dholbach: yeah, go ahead.
[17:06] <nigelb> dholbach: (sorry, out of town and sort of sporadic this week and next)
[17:07] <dholbach> nigelb, ok
[17:19] <jono> mhall119, sorry, nearly done
[17:19] <mhall119> np
[18:26] <jono> mhall119, lets chat when I am done with Rick
[18:27] <mhall119> jono: the only other thing I was going to bring up today was the loco team portal work I linked you to already
[18:29] <jono> mhall119, yeah, I would like to discuss that more
[18:29] <jono> and review the upstream targets list
[18:29] <mhall119> ok
[18:31] <czajkowski> mhall119: jono if ye want a hand with the ltp shout
[18:32] <jono> czajkowski, :)
[18:33] <mhall119> czajkowski: http://91.189.93.80:8001/events/globaljam/
[18:34] <czajkowski> mhall119: nice
[19:00] <jono> mhall119, does Skype work for you?
[19:00] <jono> I am calling from my phone
[19:00] <jono> Skype on my phoen
[19:03] <jono-locodir> hey hey
[19:03] <cjohnston> he's trying to clone himself
[19:03] <jono-locodir> beware!
[19:05] <mhall119> jono: skype if fine, logged in now
[19:05] <jono-locodir> thanks mhall119
[19:30] <jono> lunch, brb
[20:20] <jcastro> jono: call in 10?
[20:24] <jono> jcastro, yup
[20:24] <jono> just gonna make a coffee first
[20:24] <jono> jcastro, need to do Skype
[20:24] <jono> sound is broken here
[20:25] <jcastro> no worries
[20:25] <jcastro> this is why I got a tablet, it's the only way to get reliable skype
[20:32] <jono> jcastro, are you online?
[20:32] <jcastro> yep
[20:50] <jcastro> http://expertlabs.aaas.org/thinkup-launcher/
[21:20] <jono> mhall119, can you mail me when the l.u.c stuff gets submitted to IS?
[21:20] <jono> just so I know the ball is rolling
[21:20] <mhall119> jono: sure
[21:20] <jono> thanks mhall119
[21:35] <jono> balloons, nice work on the Google form for the testing :-)
[21:35] <jono> balloons, has Ken responded yet?
[21:35] <balloons> :-) yes. I felt silly for not doing it to star twith
[21:35] <balloons> he's hoping to have things ready tomorrow.. if not, not week early
[21:36] <jono> awesome
[21:36] <jono> balloons, I would like us to schedule a quick call to sync up on a few things
[21:36] <jono> probably tomorrow
[21:36] <balloons> sure.. we need to chat about the proposal
[21:37] <jono> yup
[21:37] <jono> I also want to discuss how we can identify which components in Ubuntu need testing more than others
[21:37] <jono> e.g. pulseaudio ;-)
[21:37] <balloons> rather actually, we are at the point we need to chat with those interested.
[21:37] <jono> interested?
[21:38] <jono> in the proposal?
[21:38] <balloons> i only 2 11--12's EST tomorrow.. nothing else
[21:38] <jono> ok cool
[21:38] <balloons> sorry weird wording.. we need to chat via voice all at once about the document
[21:38] <jono> lets do 10am Pac
[21:38] <jono> right
[21:38] <jono> we can do that next week I think
[21:39] <jono> in the meantime can I ask you to think about how we can generate a list of the components in Ubuntu which we want to strongly recommend going into proposed first for testing before they land in the development branch
[21:39] <jono> I believe that Kate Stewart might have done some work in this
[21:40] <balloons> hmm.. interesting. yes, I'm guessing there's some opinions on the matter
[21:40] <balloons> anything x related :-)\
[21:40] <jono> I think we want to make sure that the maintainers of those components know that you can help get more testers involved
[21:40] <jono> indeed
[21:40] <balloons> case in point.. today
[21:40] <jono> I would like this to be a data-driven list...possible based on bugs, dependencies, and risk
[21:40] <jono> totally
[21:40] <jono> we want to avoid things like today
[21:40] <balloons> ohh.. good idea
[21:40] <jono> have a think and ask skaet to see if she can help
[21:41] <balloons> will do. I'll generate a list, and take with skaet
[21:44] <mhall119> jono: I've updated some of the upstream targets, but I'm beginning to suspect that my current Unity might be having some issues, given the number of apps that aren't showing up in alt-tab or the launcher
[21:44] <jono> well, skaet may already have a list
[21:44] <jono> you may want to brainstorm it with her
[21:44] <jono> mhall119, ahhh weird
[21:45] <mhall119> I don't have an nvidia card, so I'm going to dist-upgrade and reboot and try them all again to make sure
[21:46] <jono> cool
[21:46] <mhall119> jono: is there any overlap between this list and balloons' QA targets?
[21:47] <jono> mhall119, nope
[21:47] <mhall119> ok
[21:47] <jono> this list is looking much more in shape
[21:47] <jono> thanks, mhall119
[21:47] <mhall119> np
[21:48] <jono> if you can finish it and then we can review on Mon
[21:48] <jono> and make the magic happen
[21:48] <jono> :-)
[21:48] <mhall119> hopefully some of those problems are just my Unit
[21:48] <mhall119> Unity
[21:48] <jono> right
[21:49] <balloons> mhall119, don't worry.. it is ALWAYS just you
[21:49] <balloons> we used to have a wonderful saying for tough mailing list questions.. works on my box.. ducks..
[21:49]  * balloons is being silly
[23:20] <daker> genius http://fabfi.fablab.af
[23:29] <daker> has anyone see this http://youtu.be/MejbOFk7H6c ?
[23:33] <pleia2> wow
[23:35] <daker> YES!