=== aaron is now known as Guest7801 === Guest7801 is now known as albrigha === JackyAlcine is now known as ThisCode === ThisCode is now known as JackyAlcine === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Destine is now known as Guest78616 === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk === Ursinha` is now known as Ursinha === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [15:00] #startmeeting [15:00] Meeting started Thu Feb 9 15:00:57 2012 UTC. The chair is NCommander. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:01] * davidm waves [15:01] hey [15:01] wow, thats timing :) [15:01] [topic] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2012/20120209 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2012/20120209 [15:01] [topic] Action Items from last meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Action Items from last meeting [15:01] [topic] janimo to look into LibO === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: janimo to look into LibO [15:02] lots ;:) [15:02] hi [15:02] * NCommander looks for mercy on janimo's soul [15:02] NCommander, he volunteered ! [15:02] indeed I did [15:02] dd if=/dev/mercy of=/dev/janimo/soul [15:02] hi [15:02] I do not (yet) regret it [15:02] must have to do with his transylvanian inheritance :) [15:02] janimo: yet being the operative word here [15:03] true. I am looking at this now on the panda. If you'll see me curse these days, it's because I've been where NCommander has been before [15:03] * NCommander needs a t-shirt [15:04] * ogra_ doesnt want to go there ... evar ! [15:04] "I braved the depths of hell^W Libreoffice and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" [15:04] though, mono is broken too [15:04] * ogra_ hides [15:04] [action] ogra_ to debug mono [15:04] ACTION: ogra_ to debug mono [15:04] Ok [15:04] done [15:04] lol [15:05] * ogra_ looks for that rock and brick he collected before [15:05] janimo: anything else to report or can I move on? [15:05] no really?mono broken on arm? impossible, I hear a company bases it's business on it not being broken on arm. You are all lying [15:05] lol [15:05] NCommander, nope I hope I'll make progress till next meeting [15:05] but I ave started on it [15:05] * NCommander thinks we've lost janimo to the madness already [15:06] thats the winter [15:06] [topic] dannf to tidy up a kernel package for armada === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: dannf to tidy up a kernel package for armada [15:06] being locked in at -20°C does weird things to you [15:06] ogra_: I lived in a mountian town like that. I'm still perfectly sane [15:06] LOL [15:06] LOLOLOLOL [15:06] NCommander: done afaik [15:07] * ogra_ cleans coffee from his kbd [15:07] dannf: indeed, we're working on havinga kernel today (to be reported on later) [15:07] * GrueMaster had coffee shoot up his nose, laughing so hard. [15:07] ogra_: GrueMaster oh you guys suck [15:08] :D [15:08] [topic] infinity to pull said kernel package into d-i === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: infinity to pull said kernel package into d-i [15:08] is infinity even here ? [15:08] ogra_, I heard he planned on snorting coke a few hours ago [15:08] No, but I thinkthis is a c/ogivenwestilldon't have an uploadedkernel [15:08] yeah [15:08] * NCommander smacks his spacebar [15:09] Hey wtf! I thought meeting starts at 20:00 UTC >.< [15:09] No fair I sezzit [15:09] the ARM meeting never ever started at 20UTC [15:10] We'll be having the usual IRC meeting on #ubuntu-meeting, on [15:10] Thursday 2011-02-09 at 15:00 UTC. [15:10] * NCommander would be very happy if the meeting was at 20:00 UTC but :-P [15:10] [topic] janimo or GrueMaster to test the mx5 kernel from jcrigby === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: janimo or GrueMaster to test the mx5 kernel from jcrigby [15:10] * ogra_ wouldnt [15:11] Done. Latest images have the new mx5 kernel [15:11] Either I'm confusing something or... Well I'm here for the first time, buuut: http://i.imm.io/gbSI.png [15:11] [topic] Standing Items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Standing Items [15:11] Still fails on START-R rev board. USB issues. [15:12] theadmin: wrong meeting. This is the ARM development team meeting, not IRC council [15:12] NCommander: Ah, pardon me then. ARM is cool, I'll listen in if you don't mind? [15:12] I tested the kernel it was ok, people uploaded it then [15:12] [topic] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html [15:12] * janimo answered late on previous topic [15:13] Well [15:13] ... [15:13] The items are increasing [15:13] I think we fail [15:13] huh ? [15:13] * GrueMaster is too sleepy to comment on futility. [15:13] we look better than ever [15:14] slightly below trend (if it would be in the right angle) [15:14] ogra_: we're supposed to close items, not add half-a-million new closed items [15:14] nothing changed over the last week [15:14] THATS NOT HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET ON THE TRENDLINE [15:14] * NCommander screams [15:14] * ogra_ wonmders what you are referring to= [15:14] ogra_: madness [15:14] [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Server Status (NCommander) [15:14] there were no items added [15:15] So, I've got news! [15:15] Can anyone change topic or what... [15:15] [topic] tests [15:15] Guess not :D [15:15] I saved a bunch of money changing my insurance! [15:15] Sorry, getting used to things [15:15] theadmin, please dont interfere with the meeting [15:15] But I also have ARM server news [15:15] ogra_: Understood. [15:15] armadaxp finally has a usable kernel git tree [15:16] theadmin, NCommander is the meeting chairt, only the chair can change topics and we try to keep the meeting short [15:16] NCommander, great [15:16] yay [15:16] \o/ [15:16] Using my gitified marvell patches, cooloney made them less crack, then we ported the Marvell sauce onto the oneiric tree [15:16] So we went from 3.0.15->3.0.17 with Marvell [15:17] We'll now track oneiric-updates, so we'll have security and updates for Armada until oneiric goes EOL [15:17] wow, two micro versions ! [15:17] enormous [15:17] :P [15:17] ogra_: it wasn't a small job, the tree we got was based off an ubuntu tree of unknown origin, which required a ton of patch sorting and fun [15:17] Are there any plans to bring it up to precise? [15:18] Or will it stay based on oneiric indefinitely? [15:18] rbasak: Marvell has been told that weneed a 3.2 kernel. We won't be doing the work to port it [15:18] OK, thanks [15:18] rbasak: the armadaxp kernel will go into precise, its simply tracking oneiric since there tree is on the same major as oneiric's [15:18] Right [15:19] Unlessa 3.2 kernel magically materializes before release, armada xp will be a universe supported flavor [15:20] even though the kernel package will live somewhere else :) [15:20] infinity and I are making the necessary demonic sacirifices to get d-i to work properly like that with netboot images [15:20] ogra_: no, the kernel going in universe, we decided to fix d-i [15:20] NCommander, the kernel will go to main [15:20] we have approval and all [15:20] we did? [15:20] *do [15:20] Damn [15:20] no d-i hacjking required [15:21] we weren't goingto hijack d-i [15:21] unless that changed since tuesday [15:21] d-i was simply going to pull in the universe udebs during the buildstep [15:21] but we got approval for unsupported kernel in main, then yay [15:21] we have release team approval, the kernel package will be in main, but unsupported and not in the manifest [15:21] NCommander, kernel in main [15:21] oh [15:21] davidm: awesome [15:22] That makes life insanely less complicated [15:22] (if you would read the team reports you would know btw :P ) [15:22] NCommander, although d-i supporting universe kernels would have been useful in the future for other flavours [15:22] or for current mx53 [15:22] Anyway, I'm shacking loosing the last of the packaging bugs (linux-armadaxp tried to build on amd64 for one) [15:23] But we should see an upload into NEW byEOD today or tomorrow [15:23] NCommander: how soon do we expect a kernel in main? [15:23] janimo, thats super tricky since there (flasely) is a way to get rid of unwanted udebs by moving them to universe ... [15:23] mahmoh: once it is approved from NEW, it goes into universe. Just needs a MIR to promote [15:23] janimo, making d-i universe aware would break a lot through that [15:23] ogra_, I am not arguing it is tricky to accomplish, but it is useful :) [15:24] janimo: its probably easier to get release/kernel team blessings to dump an unsupported kernel in main [15:24] janimo, yes, but we would have to fix that broken concept alongside [15:24] NCommander, but then it means it is supported. Are there no cases to want it unoficcially supported but workng with d-i. Is netinstall not such a use case? [15:25] else we break x86 stuff [15:25] which is not wanted before an LTS [15:25] janimo: I proposed the solution of rm -r universe [15:25] janimo: historically, we've had a few packages inmain that are unsupported [15:25] NCommander, I can get behind such a command [15:25] linux-ports being the poster child for that trope [15:26] * GrueMaster wonders if this is a topic for Kernel Status? [15:26] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) [15:26] Right [15:26] ok [15:26] I think we pretty muchcovered the current kernel status [15:26] Anything else to bring up [15:26] ac100 new test deb based on a 3.0.19 upstream advertised on the ac100 ml [15:26] janimo has a new ac100 kernel coming :) [15:27] and mx5 seems sorted [15:27] * NCommander just got an armel/powerpc FTBFS on linux-armadaxp [15:27] once marvin puts it in his stable, not exp branch [15:27] WOOO [15:27] Packaging needs to be hit with a brick [15:27] yeah [15:27] NCommander, I would have been more worried if that build succeeded [15:27] mx5 kernel still needs work. It still doesn't support USB on the newer rev board. [15:27] janimo: its still running on i386 >.>; [15:27] and even more if it worked :) [15:28] GrueMaster, dont use USB then :P [15:28] * ogra_ hides behind a chair [15:28] * NCommander facepalms [15:28] GrueMaster, we should get a 3.2 mx5 kernel sometime, this is 3.1 . [15:28] For a desktop image not to use keyboard/mouse...difficult. [15:28] pfft [15:28] be creative ! [15:28] write a script [15:28] use your soldering skills ... its a dev board after all [15:29] oem-config doesn't use preseed other wise I would. [15:29] ^- ogra_ [15:29] Care to fix that? :-) [15:29] And I refuse to molest any of my stock dev boards. [15:29] NCommander, yes, after FF [15:29] its tasked [15:30] cool [15:30] Soldering iron == bad touch. [15:30] try the other side :P [15:30] ew [15:30] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:30] libo is broken [15:30] mono is broken [15:30] four letter words are broken [15:30] given back empathy anf gnome-games on armhf [15:30] No, say it isn't so.... [15:31] armel is still waiting for the fixed mesa to build [15:31] janimo: package name? I'll rescore [15:31] upstart seems to need some love [15:31] NCommander, waiting for build to finish, it has started 8 h ago [15:31] finished in 1h:30 on armhf [15:31] and indeed qtwebkit [15:31] we need more pandas in the build center [15:31] janimo: ow [15:32] well, all images failed due to empathy/gnome-games [15:32] (but thats for a later topic) [15:32] due to mesa egl not providing some deps [15:32] so not actually a change in those gnome apps [15:32] movingon [15:32] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:33] awww, did they switcfh them to clutter ? [15:33] well, all images failed due to empathy/gnome-games [15:33] :) [15:33] ogra_, I think gnome games has been using clutter for a long time [15:33] * ogra_ likes his "up" key [15:33] empathy, no idea. [15:33] k [15:33] we should test performance then [15:33] empathy uses every technology [15:33] GrueMaster, can you do a quick check with your next desktop tests ? [15:33] just to see if they are still usable [15:34] Check what? [15:34] (i.e. play mahjongg for 5 min) [15:34] WHAT?!?!? Me play a game??? [15:34] not sure how to test empathy [15:34] * GrueMaster shuders [15:34] you could try a voip call or so [15:34] I think we should drop games altogether and let people use games in their browser [15:34] ++ [15:34] tell that to -desktop though [15:34] GrueMaster: try playing Skyrim with qemu-user-i386 + wine on ARM [15:35] Yea, I'll check them [15:35] NCommander, qemu-x86 wont run [15:35] Erm, no. [15:35] well if I was in charge I'd drop empathy too and the whole telepathy baggage [15:35] threading issues i was told by linaro [15:35] but I am not [15:35] Alien Arena on panda might be interesting though. [15:35] cant make it work [15:35] well, thats all about images i had :) [15:36] nethack works great on ARM, what other game do you need? [15:36] Zork works too. [15:36] * NCommander does wish Dwarf Fortress was opensource so he could 1. package it 2.compile it on ARM [15:36] Just saying. [15:36] well, wait until nethack gets switched to clutter too [15:36] ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH\ [15:36] HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH [15:36] upstream has funny ideas lately [15:36] to clutter the world etc [15:38] nethack too works in a browser I hear [15:38] we need less apps in the image, so we have fewer bugs [15:38] :) [15:38] haha [15:38] NCommander, move ? [15:39] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) [15:39] Spot tested 20120207.1 desktop armhf images yesterday. mx5 had a few issues (HDMI addon board had it confused, and START-R still doesn't see USB). [15:39] Also worked up a few scripts to start testing on arm server (LAMP, Ruby on Rails, suspend/resume). [15:40] Tested the 3.0.17 kernel on armadaxp. The Marvell patches do something wacky to mmap, it fails to allocate above 2900M. [15:41] That bug was fixed in all other arm kernels (bug 861296). [15:41] Launchpad bug 861296 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "mmap fails to allocate 2030Mb heap on ARM" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861296 [15:42] Starting to dive into power meter testing today/tomorrow. Hope to have some data starting next week. [15:42] Not much else to report. Just lots of work going on. [15:43] http://image.img-erento.com/20171/5073643_dia_2.jpg [15:43] power meter testing ? [15:43] [topic] Linaro Updates (rsalveti) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Linaro Updates (rsalveti) [15:43] * rsalveti waves [15:43] Using a power meter to measure system amp load while running. [15:43] we're all busy at connect mostly this week [15:44] but we worked on helping fixing a bunch of multiarch related packages [15:44] and the cross buildd is almost ready, just fixing the web interface to be easy to use [15:44] GrueMaster, i was referring to the pic :) [15:44] another good thing is that riku is now working on trying to get libreoffice to build and work for armhf [15:45] * ogra_ humps rsalveti's leg [15:45] NCommander: just make sure you send everything you had in the past [15:45] if you didn't do it already [15:45] So, another duplication of effort? Great. [15:45] GrueMaster, no, a handover [15:45] not duplication, we're working together on this [15:45] rsalveti: you have a time machine? [15:45] :-) [15:46] meanwhile steve is working on ruby and haskell I believe [15:46] but it's probably not critical for the desktop [15:47] should have a better report next week, once connect is done :-) [15:47] but that's mostly it [15:47] I asked the freescale LT to fix the imx53 3.2 kernel [15:47] we'll see how it goes [15:48] questions? [15:49] rsalveti, do you know about omap4 sgc for armhf? [15:49] omap3 [15:49] sorry [15:49] rsalveti, is anyone ever looking at chromium again ? [15:49] janimo: we hope that koen will get this fixed and released soon [15:49] i wonder what we should do with it, the binary in the archive is three releases old [15:49] rsalveti, ok thanks [15:49] I'll talk with him next week, but he was working on getting it available for angstrom [15:50] ogra_: if we get a new release, we update [15:50] otherwise we'll just kill it for now [15:50] anything else [15:50] I believe we'll get it at some point, not yet sure for precise [15:50] rsalveti, well, there were three (or four) new releases [15:50] ogra_: is chromium broken again? [15:50] it didnt build since natty [15:51] or even before [15:51] I remember riku said it was fixed, maybe with debian, will ping him today [15:51] .. :-) [15:52] i think he only made it cross buildable [15:52] it still fails in the archive [15:52] well, if it works by cross building it there's hope to have it working natively [15:52] right, iirc there were issues with ffmpeg or so [15:53] riku will likely know more [15:53] #action rsalveti to follow with riku to see if chromium will get fixed [15:53] ACTION: rsalveti to follow with riku to see if chromium will get fixed [15:53] or micahg ... iirc he took over from riku but gave up [15:53] #action rsalveti to follow with koen at ELC to see if we'll get armhf drivers for sgx (omap3) [15:53] ACTION: rsalveti to follow with koen at ELC to see if we'll get armhf drivers for sgx (omap3) [15:54] [topic] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:55] closing the meeting out in 3 [15:55] 2 [15:55] 1 [15:55] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:55] Meeting ended Thu Feb 9 15:55:11 2012 UTC. [15:55] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-09-15.00.moin.txt [15:55] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-09-15.00.html [17:06] ogra_: I didn't give up, just haven't had time to work on it yet [17:06] ah, well [17:48] hello world === bdrung_ is now known as bdrung === aaron_ is now known as albrigha [19:53] AlanBell: chance a /query? [19:53] s/chance/can you spare time for/ [19:53] EvilResistance: sure [19:56] nice timing [19:57] yup [19:57] * theadmin indicates she's here and waiting for the meeting to begin. [19:57] whatever it is you're referring to [19:57] Tm_T: Funky timeout [19:58] that too [19:58] indeedy [19:58] i'm also waiting for the meeting to begin, just checking something for one of the items on the agenda though :P [20:00] \o [20:01] afternoon all [20:02] Hey everyone :) [20:02] everyone sitting comfortably with $beverage at hand? [20:02] * theadmin sure is [20:02] AlanBell: check the last set of privmsgs, btw [20:02] EvilResistance: yeah, got that :) [20:02] #startmeeting [20:02] Meeting started Thu Feb 9 20:02:35 2012 UTC. The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [20:02] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [20:02] o/ [20:03] #meetingtopic IRCC team meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | IRCC team meeting Meeting | Current topic: [20:03] #meetingtopic IRCC team === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | IRCC team Meeting | Current topic: [20:03] o/ [20:04] hi all and welcome to the IRCC and team meeting [20:04] hi! [20:04] agenda is over here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda [20:04] and I think we can go fairly swiftly through the first section and on to some of the topics deferred from the last meeting [20:04] so lets start [20:05] #topic Review last meetings action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | IRCC team Meeting | Current topic: Review last meetings action items [20:05] #progress AlanBell to call for helpers to implement eir-like functionality in ubottu [20:05] yeah, I kind of failed to do that, however EvilResistance has just been talking about experimenting with some very relevant code [20:06] I will do the mail to the list this evening and we can discuss that further in an agenda item down the list [20:06] #progress meeting timeslots to be taken to the mailing list, 11:00UTC slot is in danger of being dropped [20:06] sounds good [20:06] we did discuss other times and picked this time for todays meeting [20:06] 11:00 UTC isn't really a comfortable time I beleive, sounds good for me too [20:06] I kind of need to sort out the fridge calendar properly [20:07] theadmin: yeah, we tried and couldn't find *anyone* who liked that slot [20:07] Jussi did though [20:08] I am currently thinking we should have a predictable one every other sunday evening as it is now, and a less predictable one that bounces about [20:08] not every other Sunday, every third or fourth sunday or something [20:09] #action AlanBell to sort out fridge calendar entries [20:09] ACTION: AlanBell to sort out fridge calendar entries [20:09] ok, any other comments on timings? [20:09] yeah, meeting times could move a bit occasionally [20:10] #topic Open items in the IRCC tracker === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | IRCC team Meeting | Current topic: Open items in the IRCC tracker [20:10] there has been no activity to report [20:10] #topic Review Bugs related to the Ubuntu IRC Council === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | IRCC team Meeting | Current topic: Review Bugs related to the Ubuntu IRC Council [20:10] not much bug activity since the last meeting either, so lets whip through them fairly quick [20:10] #subtopic bug 788503 IRC Guidelines too #ubuntu centric - tsimpson [20:10] Launchpad bug 788503 in ubuntu-community "IRC Guidelines too #ubuntu centric" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/788503 [20:11] That kind of makes sense. I think separate guidelines for -offtopic, -irc and -ops are required. [20:11] there is a draft that should be linked to from the bug [20:11] theadmin: there will be one guideline to rule them all [20:12] theadmin: I disagree the guidelines should be the same for all ubuntu* channels. [20:12] aye [20:12] i don't think separate guidelines are required, guidelines are guidelines, we have bot factoids for more specific things [20:12] I disagree, * [20:12] Well, either that or rule out the current guideline to be suitable for all the channels. Yeah, that sounds better. [20:12] what is the hold up on the draft? [20:12] someone have a link to the draft handy? [20:13] hmm, it is on a kde.pad somesuch link [20:13] I thought the draft was already approved and implemented :o [20:14] Tm_T: hasn't been changed on the wiki [20:14] hohum [20:14] http://notes.kde.org/ubuntuguidelines [20:15] The draft should be on the wiki in /irc/ somewhere imo. [20:15] thanks Unit193, I added that to the bug [20:15] ok, will have a look at that later [20:15] #subtopic bug 884671 Ubuntu IRC operator recruitment is slow and ungainly - jussi [20:15] Launchpad bug 884671 in ubuntu-community "Ubuntu IRC operator recruitment is slow and ungainly" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/884671 [20:16] * Pici makes a note to look over the guidelines document [20:16] recruitment is ongoing, we need to look at the other channel queues perhaps [20:16] That xD I'm here because I'm a wannabe op so that's of major interest for me. I'd be happy to help out really. [20:17] great [20:17] anyone know any channels in need of a call for ops? [20:17] i've put my name in for consideration for op on #ubuntu, so this was one of the items on the list that piqued my interest ;P [20:17] (for the record) [20:18] When? [20:18] Doesn't the IRCC only do calls for the core channels? [20:18] Pici: last 7 days, dont bother with putting me onto any ops list without further vetting [20:18] pangolin: yes [20:18] Stuff which happens on #ubuntu nowadays is annoying, too many ciao-!list-italians (nothing we can do with them though), and huge mass of spambots and trolls :( [20:18] Ops care about that, but not always around [20:18] theadmin makes a point, there have been times i've seen spam occurring, pulled !ops, and it wasnt dealt with for a significant period of time [20:19] generally when freenode staffers are also not around, so going to them for emegency help doesnt work [20:19] AlanBell: eh, we had this kind of discussion going on too? [20:19] Pici: just asking if there is an urgent need in any particular area [20:19] * Tm_T needs to follow things more closely it seems [20:19] AlanBell: not at this time IMO [20:19] AlanBell: I know. My question was directed at EvilResistance. [20:19] I think -server probably still lacks op coverage every now and then [20:19] oCean: I don't see ops calls there happening [20:20] Tm_T: well the general bug is about how we do recruitment, which we are in the process of doing with the #lubuntu channel and others will follow [20:20] An ops responsibilities are more than just answering ¡ops calls. [20:20] Pici: i've put my name into the queue on the launchpad site just 4 days ago, i removed it about 17 days before that after putting myself in for consideration because of several issues that occurred simultaneously in that same time period [20:20] AlanBell: yeah, just that it's hidden in bug report (not mailinglist) [20:20] anyhow, lets move on, I want to get to a bunch of the main topics [20:21] Pici: I aknowledge, just wondering the need (: [20:21] Aye [20:21] Hm, aye. Even though this one is important. [20:21]