[11:42] <tumbleweed> meh @bug 869986. Should we remove & blacklist in precise?
[11:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 869986 in gforge (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Fusionforge fails-to-install cleanup (affects: 29) (dups: 30) (heat: 83)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/869986
[13:01] <Daviey> cjwatson: are you around?
[13:01] <cjwatson> Daviey: interview
[13:02] <Daviey> bug 708548 and bug 810068 seem to causing jibel woe for SRU validation, for Lucid.. Can we discuss it when you are free?
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708548 in kickseed (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "kickstart not removing logical volume data (affects: 1) (heat: 11)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708548
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 810068 in partman-iscsi (Ubuntu Natty) (and 7 other projects) "kickstart iscsi option broken (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810068
[13:26] <jamespage> jibel, Daviey: I'll give it another hour and see how far I get
[13:39] <Laney> tumbleweed: Why blacklist? He says 5.1 is OK
[13:39] <Laney> I am concerned that it was left to be apparently this bad for so long though
[13:40] <tumbleweed> Laney: going from: The Fusionforge for Debian packaging team has decided we cannot invest the time and effort to provide packages for inclusion into Ubuntu, sorry. It was felt that the packages uploaded to Debian proper are “good enough” and official, and Ubuntu should be able to take them and “backport” to their releases when there are Ubuntu-specific problems
[13:41] <tumbleweed> but I suppose that's more about the past than the present
[13:41] <Laney> looks that way
[13:42] <Laney> don't know what to suggest other than SRUing the new version
[13:42] <tumbleweed> it's certainly worth asking him if he wants them removed, I know they are a big enough pain to maintain in Debian
[13:42] <tumbleweed> yeah, that's the only option. And if they are as broken as he says, it's the best option
[13:43] <tumbleweed> s/the best/not a totally terrible/
[13:43] <Laney> pitti: ^^^
[13:43] <pitti> right, then SRUing might be appropriate
[13:43] <Laney> ha
[13:43] <pitti> we can't remove them from stables
[13:43] <pitti> Laney: snap :)
[13:43] <tumbleweed> yeah, ScottK did try to say that a few times
[13:44] <Laney> if so many people are affected then somebody should step up to verify the SRUs, surely …
[13:46] <Laney> 663933 is bad; we shouldn't be letting straight-up uninstallable packages slip through
[13:47] <tumbleweed> I looked at 3 random duplicates, and they were all installation problesm (in other languages)
[13:48] <Laney> do we have any report of static installation failures in a clean environment?
[13:48] <cjwatson> Daviey: I can probably manage to either provide information or just test the dratted things myself :-)
[13:48] <Laney> static → induced by package relationships only
[13:48] <cjwatson> debcheck?
[13:49] <cjwatson> http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/debcheck/
[13:49] <Laney> ah yes, I never remember about that
[13:49] <cjwatson> fusionforge does indeed show up in Depends / EVERY there
[13:51] <Daviey> cjwatson: heh.. jibel Can you provide more info?
[13:51] <Daviey> It's the last things blocking build from -updates only.
[13:53] <Laney> alright, cool, I'll see if I can get any interest in doing some kind of drive on those
[13:54] <Laney> tumbleweed: in the meantime, do you want to see if he thinks SRUing 5.1 is appropriate?
[13:54] <tumbleweed> sure, I'll reply
[13:54] <Laney> bonus
[14:03] <pitti> ok, fixed icedtea, now it's just a matter of waiting for eglibc and mesa and giving back empathy and gnome-games, then precise_probs.html should be empty again
[14:12] <Daviey> jibel: Are you here?
[14:13] <jibel> Daviey, I am
[14:16] <jamespage> Daviey, jibel: more success - think I can verify both of them - almost there with the iscsi one!
[14:16] <Daviey> ah, great - thanks jamespage .
[14:31] <pitti> skaet, Daviey:  mumble meeting now?
[14:32] <pitti> skaet, Daviey: I'm hanging out alone in the desktop room ATM, but happy to change somepalce else
[14:32] <jamespage> jibel, Daviey: bug 810068 is ok-ish - I hit a subsequent problem that generated another prompt
[14:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 810068 in partman-iscsi (Ubuntu Natty) (and 7 other projects) "kickstart iscsi option broken (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810068
[14:34] <skaet> Daviey - please join pitti and myself in desktop room.
[14:36] <pitti> jamespage: so overall this does seem to be an improvement, AFAICS?
[14:36] <jamespage> pitti: hrm - well its step forwards yes
[14:37] <jamespage> I'm still looking at bug 708548
[14:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708548 in kickseed (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "kickstart not removing logical volume data (affects: 1) (heat: 11)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708548
[14:42] <cjwatson> jamespage: your comments look bug-worthy in themselves but separate from the bug at hand, indeed
[14:42] <jamespage> cjwatson: agreed; I'll raise another bug - I think its a problem in partman-iscsi
[14:43] <cjwatson> can't see how they'd be related to the fix
[14:43]  * jamespage has been source diving
[14:43] <cjwatson> yes, well, the lack of support for --target is in kickseed
[14:43] <cjwatson> but as commented in its source, it doesn't seem to do anything in anaconda either
[14:43] <cjwatson> or at least the version of anaconda I looked at; it may have moved on
[14:43] <jamespage> cjwatson: I noticed :-)
[14:44] <pitti> Daviey, skaet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=30510
[14:44] <jamespage> cjwatson: I'll retry the iscsi test using a straight preseed to confirm - but probably not today!
[14:44] <cjwatson> your comment makes sense, I can see how that would arise
[14:45] <cjwatson> right now partman-iscsi doesn't try to authenticate before asking whether it needs a username, IYSWIM
[14:45] <cjwatson> arguably it should
[14:45] <cjwatson> 'preseed partman-iscsi/login/incoming_username string' in a kickstart file would work around that
[14:46] <pitti> jamespage: ah, you'll be able to regression test the kickseed LVM bit? (#708548)
[14:46] <Daviey> bug 708548
[14:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708548 in kickseed (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "kickstart not removing logical volume data (affects: 1) (heat: 11)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708548
[14:46] <pitti> that'd be great, it's the one remaining installer-ish bug
[14:46] <pitti> which keeps us from moving stuff to -updates, and building CDs out of -updates
[14:46] <jamespage> just installing and LVM based lucid now to try it with
[14:47] <Daviey> jibel: Have you tested that one? ^^
[14:49] <Daviey> skaet / pitti: "Turn off cron jobs that will auto update into -updates until final images are tested."
[14:51] <jibel> Daviey, nope, bug 708548 and bug 810068  are the 2 I couldn't test and why I called jamespage to the rescue since the reporter doesn't seem interested in testing the fix.
[14:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708548 in kickseed (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "kickstart not removing logical volume data (affects: 1) (heat: 11)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708548
[14:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 810068 in partman-iscsi (Ubuntu Natty) (and 7 other projects) "kickstart iscsi option broken (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810068
[14:54] <Daviey> stgraber: Are you around?
[14:54] <stgraber> Daviey: yes
[14:55] <Daviey> stgraber: great, do you fancy adding 10.04 to the release tracker?
[14:55] <Daviey> stgraber: Or giving me the foo to do it?
[14:55] <stgraber> Daviey: you seem to be in ~ubuntu-release so you already have the right to do it ;)
[14:56] <Daviey> stgraber: duh, sorry - i didn't see that option.
[14:57] <stgraber> Daviey: doing it now anyway.
[14:57] <Daviey> stgraber: appreciated!
[14:57] <stgraber> Daviey: you should have an administration link in the menu that lets you manage that kind of things, otherwise I have an SSO bug to fix ;)
[14:58] <stgraber> Daviey: added
[15:01] <Daviey> stgraber: ahh.. under there!
[15:06] <pitti> skaet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IncidentReports
[16:17] <jamespage> Daviey, jibel: OK so I've tested bug 708548 as well
[16:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708548 in kickseed (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "kickstart not removing logical volume data (affects: 1) (heat: 11)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708548
[16:18] <Daviey> jamespage: and happy?
[16:18] <jamespage> see comment for details but the logical volumes are only cleared automatically IF a kickstart using logvol commands is being used
[16:18] <jamespage> Daviey: again its better but does not cover all cases
[16:19] <Daviey> jamespage: It's too late to fix it further i think.  The question is really:
[16:19] <Daviey>  - Does it regress?
[16:19] <Daviey>  - is it a somewhat improvement?
[16:19] <jamespage> Daviey: not that I can see - its an improvement
[16:20] <jamespage> in reality how many people are really using kickstarts with ubuntu?
[16:20] <Daviey> i can't say. :)
[16:20] <Daviey> I used to.. :)
[16:20] <jamespage> well it was not important enough for the bug reporter to verify the fix....
[16:21] <Daviey> yeah.. i think we'll get it included.. we still have time to back it out, if it does regress.
[16:21] <Daviey> jamespage: Thanks for your effort on this, it's really appreciated.
[16:21] <jibel> jamespage, thanks much.
[16:21] <jamespage> Daviey, jibel: np - I've not written a kickstart for at least 7 years!
[16:22] <jibel> jamespage, you're a kickstart guru now
[16:22] <jamespage> jibel: lol
[16:23] <Daviey> Whenever anoyone has a problem with kickstart, i know where to point them now. \o/
[16:24] <jibel> Daviey, so on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=30510
[16:24] <jibel> only fglrx is untested
[16:25] <jibel> it is only on dvd
[16:27] <Daviey> jibel: Do you have anyone with ati graphics?
[16:27] <Daviey> s/ati/amd?/ .. /me doesn't keep up
[16:27] <jibel> Daviey, do we release DVD for .4 ?
[16:28] <Daviey> I believe it's part of the package, but skaet might know better.
[16:28] <jibel> if so, they are oversized
[16:28] <cjwatson> kickstart - some v big customers do
[16:33]  * skaet checking on manifest
[16:43] <skaet> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04.3/release/
[16:45] <skaet> http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04.3/
[16:47] <skaet> Daviey, ^  ARM images have EOL'd so not needed here.   But DVD, Desktop, Alternate, Server are definite.  I'm going to check in on the Netbook live CD (x86).
[16:49] <Daviey> groovy
[17:02] <jibel> Daviey, found a radeon r600 in the basement. I'll test fglrx.
[17:05] <Daviey> jibel: You sir, are a rockstar
[21:34] <Daviey> skaet: confirming that lucid will now not build from -proposed.
[21:34] <Daviey> micahg: ^^
[21:35] <micahg> Daviey: ok, thanks, will keep you in the loop about our release schedule so we can try to minimize the impact on testing
[21:36] <Daviey> rocking.
[21:38] <skaet> Daviey, confirmed.  please start building from -updates now.  :)
[21:41] <Daviey> skaet: It seems we build from -security aswell.. so if micahg uploads anything there, it gets included regardless if it is in -updates
[21:41] <Daviey> cjwatson: can you confirm ^^?
[21:46] <skaet> Daviey its not there now,  so as long as the cron is off, we can manage it tomorrow.
[21:49] <Daviey> skaet: right, i was going to switch cron off tomorrow - once we have the first candidate.
[21:50] <skaet> Daviey,  okie.  Thanks.
[22:57] <cjwatson> Daviey: we build from -security, yes
[22:57] <cjwatson> Daviey: -security is copied pretty frequently into -updates anyway, so ...
[22:57] <Daviey> cjwatson: Right, micahg was suggesting turning off the copy for Lucid.. and i sugegsted that wouldn't help.
[22:58]  * Daviey suggests he stops suggesting.
[22:58] <cjwatson> heh
[22:59] <cjwatson> we could change it all, but we haven't needed to in the past and I suspect it isn't worth it
[22:59] <cjwatson> I don't see your commits disabling -updates
[22:59] <Daviey> Yeah, i don't think it's a biggy.  He has an update pending, which will ether be included or not.
[22:59] <cjwatson> er, -proposed
[22:59] <Daviey> It's going to land in the end regardless :)
[22:59] <cjwatson> and the code on nusakan has it enabled
[22:59] <cjwatson> do you want me to disable it?
[23:00] <Daviey> cjwatson: err, ok - commits?
[23:00] <cjwatson> to the cdimage codebase
[23:00] <cjwatson> it's described in the process, I thought
[23:00] <Daviey> cjwatson: i removed it from the crontab, is that incorrect?
[23:00] <cjwatson> it's incomplete
[23:00] <cjwatson> the point release process describes exactly which files need to be modified
[23:00] <cjwatson> I'll take care of it now
[23:01] <Daviey> cjwatson: no, please let me fix it
[23:01] <cjwatson> then follow the wiki page :)
[23:01] <cjwatson> do you have the necessary local checkouts?
[23:02] <Daviey> cjwatson: Are you looking at something other than, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PointReleaseProcess ?
[23:02] <cjwatson> I am looking at that very page.
[23:03] <cjwatson> "Change cdimage/bin/run-germinate, debian-cd/CONF.sh, and the cdimage crontab to build from -proposed temporarily" - you want to reverse that
[23:03] <Daviey> ahh.. then it's not described for numnuts like me :)
[23:03] <Daviey> thanks
[23:04] <cjwatson> do you already have the local bzr checkouts?  they're slightly twisty
[23:04] <Daviey> no
[23:06] <cjwatson> (sorting out in /query)