[00:00] wow, the model-m theme is looking awesome in onboard trunk :) [00:00] and it works too [00:01] does it clack? [00:02] nope, file a bug ;) [00:02] and attach a recording [00:04] ok! [00:05] https://bugs.launchpad.net/onboard/+filebug [00:20] AlanBell: where'd you get that? is there a ppa? [03:23] hiya lads [03:24] just upgraded to 12.04 and now i have problem with iplayer. it stops playing after few minutes. was alright in 10.04. === zeb84 is now known as ant0xa [07:24] Morning all [07:34] \o popey [08:08] aloha [08:16] Morning all [08:34] hmm chrome is being troublesome this morning [08:34] wont launch [08:35] * popey hugs firefox [08:35] czajkowski: there's a new version out (17), maybe that's what's causing the problem [08:36] hmmI can right click and launch a new window [08:36] middle click [08:36] (the launcher) [08:36] good morning lovelies [08:36] pip pip [08:37] Morning all [08:37] hellos [08:41] popey: ahh that fixed it === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [08:46] popey: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:onboard/snapshots [08:48] OK [08:58] anyone using opendns? it was up the spout for me today [09:01] wooo, bamfdaemon crash, is that what you had yesterday AlanBell ? [09:03] Morning all [09:04] popey: yup and same here [09:04] popey: no, I was just running an old version of it (and probably old version of dbus) [09:04] my quicklists of awesome are still working [09:16] eek [09:16] lightdm wont accept my password [09:16] yet I can logon at the console [09:16] popey: check /var/log/auth.log [09:17] some errors loading /lib/security/pam_unix.so [09:17] scary [09:17] what kind of error? [09:17] cant find the file [09:18] and indeed the file is missing [09:18] what package provides that? [09:18] it's not on my system either [09:18] huh [09:18] and I could log in [09:18] i just updated and logged out/in [09:18] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_unix.so [09:18] it's there for me [09:18] so maybe ldconfig will fix it for you [09:18] ah wait [09:18] ! [09:19] i have that file too [09:19] libc6 was upgraded, and it asked me to restart all PAM-using packages [09:19] including the display manager [09:19] ah [09:19] so rebooting or restarting lightdm should fix [09:19] that fixed it [09:19] ta [09:19] \o/ [09:19] scary moment ☺ [09:42] czajkowski: prod [09:42] morning all [09:43] Good morning peeps [09:44] davmor2: you're up early [09:45] czajkowski, He's a fine looking gentleman at this time of morning. [09:45] czajkowski: Am working with your new boss :) [09:47] good morning everyone. [09:48] davmor2: dont torture him [09:54] This is a room of people with bad backs today. These wooden chairs aren't the best for one's posture [09:58] Good morning all [10:09] bigcalm_lappy, Choose a nick and stick with it. [10:10] mrevell: you're not here you are there I can point at you and all sorts [10:10] heh [10:12] *grin* [10:12] Ahem [10:12] It means I'm not at home. Rather out and about annoying the wider community [10:13] czajkowski: wear your thermals when you are here next week it's quite cool [10:14] Morning all! [10:16] morning JamesTait [10:16] davmor2: Are you cow-orking in Wolverhampton today? [10:18] Moooooooooooooooo [10:18] Mooooooooooooooooooo [10:18] Working the udders now [10:18] we are now [10:19] JamesTait: we are indeed [10:19] :) [10:19] i'm suddenly glad i skipped this one [10:19] I really wish I'd joined you. [10:22] My wife is studying psychology, and is writing up an experiment. What started out as "I just need you to help me with this equation" turned into a degree in statistics, crammed into 45 minutes. [10:22] My brain feels like it wants to explode. [10:27] JamesTait, Heh, you should come next time :) [10:29] good morning everyone [10:30] mrevell: I probably should. I need to get a new car first though, which is dependent on the insurance companies getting their finger out. [10:31] mrevell: BTW, I'm not sure if we've met in the flesh? [10:31] JamesTait, I'm not sure. I'm very short, if that helps you place me. [10:31] :) [10:32] Brrrr [10:32] mrevell: That'd place you somewhere lower than me, I expect. ;) === nothingspecial is now known as angela-android [10:55] I am bloody cold in here [10:55] Maybe if I play minecraft the latop will heat up [11:16] launchpad timeout errors make gord mad, will become the gord hulk [11:29] Whee, Arduino arrived [11:29] + some basic stuff to connect it to/to it [11:30] :) [11:32] MartijnVdS: cool [11:34] http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10173 [11:34] that one [11:43] mrevell wants a gimp [11:46] bigcalm_lappy: Has volunteered to be mrevell 's gimp this is getting ugly [11:47] I am disappointed by the level of conversation here. [11:49] * AlanBell pokes bigcalm_lappy (to wake him up) [11:49] * AlanBell is off to London in a sec with TheOpenSourcerer [11:51] AlanBell: gonna snow later - you might have to stay over in london which would be an almighty shame given the number of pubs and bars ;) [11:54] * bigcalm_lappy returns to the mess [11:54] Should order lunch really [11:54] huh, the game company doublefine posted a kickstarter to raise money to make a game ... in what amounts to a morning they have raised $475,000 [11:57] blimey [11:57] guess: you'll never hear from the company again [11:58] Heh [11:58] I wonder if I could post a kickstarter to get funding for my GPS tracking software [11:58] We need more people to come to these work place days so that it warms up a little [11:59] no its a big company [11:59] I've debated it, just quite a distance :) [11:59] they make big AAA games normally [12:00] very well respected, made from people who made the greatest line of games ever (lucasarts adventure games from the 90s) [12:01] MI? [12:02] yup! [12:02] ron gilbert and tim shafer, best most funniest people in the entire world [12:02] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/66710809/double-fine-adventure [12:05] [Stuart Langridge] On vendor prefixes in CSS and vendors implementing them - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/02/09/on-vendor-prefixes-in-css-and-vendors-implementing-them === astromech is now known as KnightAFK [12:21] * bigcalm_lappy tries to get some work done while davmor2 is preoccupied with eating [12:22] bigcalm_lappy: normally it's you slowing us down as you try typing on my laptop [12:22] I've learnt from my mistake. I will keep away from your weird hardware [12:33] what can a laptop do to make it hard to type? natural keyboard? [12:39] His keyboard is offset. The keys are not in the right locations [12:39] oh lordy [12:40] I use a full-size wired Mac keyboard at work, which I get on fairly well with [12:40] the small Bluetooth version though does my head in [12:49] anyone using dolphin browser on android? seems they are a bit cheeky [12:50] * MartijnVdS uses Chrome on Android [12:50] proxying all traffic through their own boxes...? [12:50] mgdm: so does Opera [12:50] Heh, not content with our emails & web history, google want our files now http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/09/google_to_launch_cloud_storage/ Depending on the storage space availble, I'd be tempted to use it [12:50] Yeah, I know [12:51] it seems they were collecting browser history. tracken.dolphin-browser.com still apears in my traffic though [12:54] http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1319529 === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk [13:26] With the noises that mrevell is making, one might think that it's cold in here [13:28] nice and warm in my office ;) [13:30] Granddad is telling us stories now [13:30] werthers ? [13:31] eeek, the centre of tonights snow, is right above where i live, according to bbc weather on bbc news. [13:32] didnt think we were getting more snow [13:33] bbc weather and the met office sites, both confirm snow for tonight, [13:33] great! [13:36] brobostigon: where are you? [13:36] bigcalm_lappy: almost the very most north point of oxfordshire, banbury. [13:36] * oimon is eating love hearts "page me"? don't they mean BBM me? or write on my wall? [13:37] http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_warnings.html?day=1 [13:37] I would very much appreciate no snow [13:37] popey: ooh ping, 3g dongle ? [13:38] hmm? [13:40] 3g dongle you said you had spare that was linux friendly ? [13:40] (no sim, just the usb dongle) [13:40] I'd forgot about it until I just saw you [13:42] * popey rummages [13:43] i used to have one of those [13:44] dunno where it is now [13:44] found it! [13:45] Bus 001 Device 006: ID 19d2:0031 ZTE WCDMA Technologies MSM MF110/MF627/MF636 [13:45] its one of them [13:52] popey: as long as it's linux supported I'll be happy, and kiss you and give you cash/beer/donation to project [13:55] disappointed to discover that linux is not a popular OS in the antarctic http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-an-monthly-201101-201201-bar [13:57] Well it's all goverment sponsored really so you wouldn't think much else i guess [13:58] not academic research? [13:59] It's still subsidised by the goverment normally isn't it, from what I've read in the past [13:59] or by big corps [14:00] Can anybody explain what GetBytes() does in c#/c++/vb.net so that I might replicate it in PHP? [14:00] bigcalm_lappy: you asked me something about that last night [14:00] bigcalm_lappy: which I didn't get a chance to look at [14:01] bigcalm_lappy: however I guess there are many GetBytes() functions in various .NET classes, so you need to specify which [14:01] bigcalm_lappy: doesnt' it take a list of characters and return their size were they encoded in unicode? [14:01] from a brief look at http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ydktsz9z.aspx which I suspect you've already read... [14:01] " Most bases are small 15 people in winter, 50 in summer," [14:01] like GetBytes() in an MD5 hasher will be different from GetBytes() in a file input stream or something [14:03] One moment [14:04] GetBytes() in this: https://raw.github.com/mono/mono/master/mcs/class/corlib/System.Security.Cryptography/PasswordDeriveBytes.cs === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [14:06] That is the mono version of this http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.security.cryptography.passwordderivebytes.aspx [14:14] what filesystem does unetbooting want my usb stick to be? [14:14] aha, fat32 [14:20] does anyone know how this "if you want to lose weight try diet HCG" spam gets onto fb? [14:21] i've seen a lot in a few days but nobody ever knows what they clicked [14:26] oimon: probably some "See 's naked pics" [14:33] or superbowl-related somethings [14:46] Heh. I've not even finished the installer and I've already registered on Fedora's bugtracker [14:47] What you using fedora for? Just to see difference ? [14:48] yeah. I'm trying to force myself back into trying out other distros [14:48] And I keep being incredibly annoyed at everything that's 'wrong' in CentOS, so this might help [14:49] We still run Centos 4.8 at work so I haven't had any *new* annoyances [14:50] I don't even pay enough attention to know what current is. These are new machines, though, so I'd guess they're whatever's current stable [14:50] there's only three of them so far [14:50] heh, 6 something atm.. only had 1 server up so far with it. Trying to get our legacy app to work ok with it [14:51] so we can move away from 4.8 which is EOL end of this month [14:51] haha, yeah, we've a bunch of Lenny machines to do that to by, er, four days ago.... [14:54] :P [15:00] MartijnVdS: my sister got it and she reckoned none of that type of stuff [15:00] but only women were affected... [15:21] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-February/034742.html heads up for those on precise [15:24] Anyone here use owncloud at all ? [15:27] diplo: no but i'm following them and sparkleshare [15:27] I've got one setup but not newest version, just interested about moving all my calendars/contacts away from google to my own box [15:28] Seems it's in process but can't find if anyone has got it working yet [15:28] is there a desktop client? [15:29] Not got that far, installed and left it a few months ago after watching a LAS show [15:29] Going to take a browse around now [15:31] i use box.net and it's tedious [15:31] because of the web client === james is now known as Guest57218 [15:32] i can't upload a massive load of folders in bulk [15:32] making it a bit useless === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:34] I want everything on my server at home, or maybe eventually on my VPS [15:34] So just seeing how well i can do all of this === tubadaz__ is now known as tubadaz [16:24] how do i change my launchpad password? [16:24] ali1234: mrevil has left for the day sorry [16:25] oh you have to go to https://login.launchpad.net/ [16:25] which isn't directly linked from any of the account pages [16:26] ok this sucks [16:26] my lp password has been compromised [16:26] but in order to create a new one i have to make a stupid uppercase letter and number password [16:27] which means i'll never be able to remember the new password [16:27] and adds no security [16:27] so yeah i'll be reseting the password on a weekly basis from now on [16:28] either that or my new password is going to end in A1 [16:29] for real? somebody brute forced your lp account? [16:29] no [16:29] i use the same password on all bug trackers [16:29] oic [16:29] I love it when you're forced to use a subset of possible passwords in order to make it more secure than if you could have used the entire set [16:29] i just tried to make an account on a bugzilla [16:30] but i accidentally typed password in the username field [16:30] why not make an evil long password and use keeppass or a browser to remember it for you? [16:30] so now everyone on that bugzilla knows my password that i use for bugtrackers all over the place [16:31] ali1234, oimon, keepassx can also generate a random password for you [16:31] lmontrieux: yes, true [16:31] ali1234, you can also use lastpass, if you're a firefox user [16:31] because i wipe my computer every 6 months when i reinstall ubuntu [16:31] ali1234, no problem, just store your keepass database on a USB drive or Dropbox or something [16:32] that's still a bit less ideal than just knowing the password [16:32] that's such a massive amount of hassle [16:32] bigcalm_lappy, davmor2: Little bit warmer here... [16:32] then i need to take the ub drive everywhere i go [16:32] and not lose it [16:32] and i need to install keepass on every computer i ever use [16:32] mrevell: I think I feel a little warmer [16:32] BigRedS, sure, but it allows you to have a different password for every single service you use, which is a huge benefit, in terms of security [16:32] including the ones that have no gui [16:33] lmontrieux: I already do that without having to also have all of them written down on every computer I use [16:33] bigcalm_lappy, You get warmer just as hypothermia sets in, I believe. [16:33] Haha [16:34] ali1234, for a CLI solution, you might want to have a look at http://sourceforge.net/projects/kpcli/ (haven't tried it myself) [16:34] You just need a system for concocting them, and it's annoying when it's broken by somewhere insisting that actually they'd rather *less* entropy int he password thankyouverymuch [16:34] oh great, no i need to manage two password databases? [16:34] BigRedS: exactly [16:34] ali1234, no, both can read the same database [16:36] ah well, maybe nobody saw it [16:36] i'll just get the admin to delete that account and carry on using this password :) [16:36] hurrah for security hteatre [16:36] * BigRedS looks for it [16:37] yeah, it's annoying when bugtrackers go the way of banks... [16:37] mrevell: :P [16:37] mrevell: you are just a big girlie wuss [16:37] i don't think bugzilla even shows username anyway [16:37] i don't know why it even asks you for one [16:38] you can't even change your email anyway [16:38] davmor2, We'd have been sent home from school at those temperatues... [16:54] Time to go home :( [16:54] Time to go into the warm :) [16:55] Toodles [19:09] MooDoo: :( I bet you have had a good afternoon heh === osiris_ is now known as smittix [19:12] My website has been down 6 hours now :( [19:16] * bigcalm gets home - time to start work [19:20] if my website was down, i wouldn't notice for weeks [19:20] yeah, nobody noticed mine go down for a few days a few months back [19:21] i might set my webcam up to monitor snowfall [19:22] does it work well at night? [19:22] yeah, streetlight illuminates our garden [19:23] hadny [19:23] handy* [19:23] gord: Im noticing as im getting tons of DM's on twitter [19:24] Hi. How can I force networking to reload, at the command prompt? [19:25] mikeatvillage: what problem are you trying to solve? [19:25] historically /etc/init.d/networking restart [19:25] but I don't know if that works in modern ubuntus [19:26] in modern ubuntus: sudo restart networking [19:27] I've tried that but to no effect. If my ADSL router goes off, my machine loses the wireless connection. This is a bare Ubuntu Server 10.04 - no Gnome. [19:27] mikeatvillage: what're you using to establish the connection? [19:28] you'll need to monitor the connection and re-establish it when it goes away [19:28] unless whatever you're using is supposed to be doing that, in which case it just needs fixing [19:28] I manually configured /etc/networks/interfaces with the wlan0 details, it loads on boot. [19:29] yeah, so you can do ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0 to reestablish the connection [19:29] but it wont do that automatically [19:30] I'll try that (but think I already did) brb. [19:30] also the snow reflects the light so it looks better then [19:30] http://popey.com/webcam [19:32] BigRedS: it goes down OK, but doesn't come back up with 'ifconfig wlan0 up' No error message. [19:36] BigRedS: My deepest apologies, completely misread your post. Yes, that works perfectly. [19:36] mikeatvillage: nothing in syslog? [19:36] aha [19:36] i'd probably cron a script which pings something and does the ifdown and ifup if it fails. I'm sure there's a more elegant way [19:37] now to make a cron job to check it and a script to start it if needed :-) [19:38] Haha... our posts crossed in the ether :-) [19:38] tried to point my webcam outside, nothing doing :( [19:39] i should get a really bright light and put a filter over it that blocks all but infra red, then point that outside with an infred filter on the webcam [19:42] Anyone know of a good uk VPS provider? [19:42] I think I will be moving after this escapade. [19:42] smittix: who you with currently, what are your requirements [19:43] smittix: bitfolk [19:43] ^ probably, but answer above first just to be sure [19:50] Azelphur: Currently with HeartInternet. [19:51] Currently have a VPS with unmetered bandwidth 1gb RAM 50GB Disk [19:51] Similar would be good. ÂÂ25 quid a month that costs. So it's pretty cheap. [19:52] smittix: says on the website that only costs £11.99 :o [19:52] smittix: bitfolk is good though, if you are happy with UK hosting and can afford it [19:53] Sorry thats right, Id just been reading another site and had that price in my head heh [19:53] Azelphur: I only went with heart because the data center is down the road from me heh [19:53] I'll have a look at bitfolk [19:54] hehe [19:55] 6 hours it's been down now [19:55] Last update on their service status page was at 1:30pm so it's probably been longer. [20:08] http://imgur.com/RNniD [20:18] :) === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat [20:39] smittix: bytemark are excellent [20:40] * jacobw uses bytemark === issyl0_ is now known as issyl0 [22:13] Evening [22:15] pip pip [22:16] * smittix is majorly frustrated now. [22:16] those 10 day videos i uploaded to youtube failed to convert :) [22:16] it had a good go though... only failed after a day or so [22:22] wow [22:27] 10 days of what? [22:27] Hi peeps btw :) [22:28] bigcalm: rick astley [22:31] Nice :D [22:32] mrevell: how the phone? [22:33] bigcalm, Heeeeey [22:33] * bigcalm feels toasty warm, it's lovely :D [22:33] bigcalm, This is the first time I've sat down since finishing work, so no progress. [22:34] Did you manage to get any work done? [22:38] bigcalm, Yes, thank the lord. I'm about to do some more. I'll remind davmor2 of the bit after the co- in co-working :) [22:38] hehe [22:39] Peoples of the internet: what's a good music player that scrobbles? Happy to try anything; prefer notification integration. [23:01] mrevell: I think rhythmbox does [23:01] banshee does too [23:02] Yeah, Rhythmbox is my player of choice really. Just wondered if there was anything else out there. I've played around with Clementine, and the one that started as an Amarok clone. [23:03] Yeah, Banshee's much more stable for me than it used to be. [23:03] I've just realised how long it's been since I last used anything other than spotufy [23:05] Yeah, me too [23:06] TwistedCat makes TF2 updates look so smooth on my IRC channel lol, http://pastebin.com/QQvR8WVK \o/ [23:08] It would be nice to use the new Spotify [23:11] it would be nice if the linux version didn't crash more than the windows version in wine [23:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggg3C87UVCY [23:17] coal, gas, oil, ... what are the other three? [23:18] fission? [23:18] not a fossil fuel [23:18] popey: cute [23:19] bigcalm: sexy [23:19] -o/ [23:19] WTF? [23:19] Keyboard now in weird mode === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:20] !away Lcawte|Away [23:20] Yep, shift + , = Z [23:20] BAH! [23:20] Time to restart synergy [23:20] <> That's better [23:20] As I was saying [23:21] \o/ [23:21] I am writing a VB.NET service app. I feel exceedingly dirty [23:25] why don't you just run it in mono [23:27] Because it is going to be running on a Windows server [23:27] why are you even rewriting it at all then? [23:27] I don't know mono, I'm cobbling together vb.net examples to do get this working [23:28] The original script I was given was in vb.net. It does the encryption correctly and I haven't been able to replicate it in PHP [23:29] Either I a) had my linux server create the encrypted file which then got ftp'd to a windows server or b) send a message over a VPN to the Windows server to an application which will create the encrypted file [23:30] Either way, the encrypted file needs to be on the windows server which then transports it elsewhere