[00:00] <AlanBell> wow, the model-m theme is looking awesome in onboard trunk :)
[00:00] <AlanBell> and it works too
[00:01] <popey> does it clack?
[00:02] <AlanBell> nope, file a bug ;)
[00:02] <AlanBell> and attach a recording
[00:04] <popey> ok!
[00:05] <AlanBell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/onboard/+filebug
[00:20] <popey> AlanBell: where'd you get that? is there a ppa?
[03:23] <zeb84> hiya lads
[03:24] <zeb84> just upgraded to 12.04 and now i have problem with iplayer. it stops playing after few minutes. was alright in 10.04.
[07:24] <popey> Morning all
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[08:08] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all
[08:34] <czajkowski> hmm chrome is being troublesome this morning
[08:34] <czajkowski> wont launch
[08:35]  * popey hugs firefox
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: there's a new version out (17), maybe that's what's causing the problem
[08:36] <czajkowski> hmmI can right click and launch a new window
[08:36] <popey> middle click
[08:36] <popey> (the launcher)
[08:36] <christel> good morning lovelies
[08:36] <popey> pip pip
[08:37] <DJones> Morning all
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> hellos
[08:41] <czajkowski> popey: ahh that fixed it
[08:46] <AlanBell> popey: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:onboard/snapshots
[08:48] <popey> OK
[08:58] <oimon> anyone using opendns? it was up the spout for me today
[09:01] <popey> wooo, bamfdaemon crash, is that what you had yesterday AlanBell ?
[09:03] <diplo> Morning all
[09:04] <czajkowski> popey: yup and same here
[09:04] <AlanBell> popey: no, I was just running an old version of it (and probably old version of dbus)
[09:04] <AlanBell> my quicklists of awesome are still working
[09:16] <popey> eek
[09:16] <popey> lightdm wont accept my password
[09:16] <popey> yet I can logon at the console
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: check /var/log/auth.log
[09:17] <popey> some errors loading /lib/security/pam_unix.so
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> scary
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> what kind of error?
[09:17] <popey> cant find the file
[09:18] <popey> and indeed the file is missing
[09:18] <popey> what package provides that?
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> it's not on my system either
[09:18] <popey> huh
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> and I could log in
[09:18] <popey> i just updated and logged out/in
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_unix.so
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> it's there for me
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> so maybe ldconfig will fix it for you
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> ah wait
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> !
[09:19] <popey> i have that file too
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> libc6 was upgraded, and it asked me to restart all PAM-using packages
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> including the display manager
[09:19] <popey> ah
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> so rebooting or restarting lightdm should fix
[09:19] <popey> that fixed it
[09:19] <popey> ta
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[09:19] <popey> scary moment ☺
[09:42] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[09:42] <davmor2> morning all
[09:43] <bigcalm_lappy> Good morning peeps
[09:44] <czajkowski> davmor2: you're up early
[09:45] <mrevell> czajkowski, He's a fine looking gentleman at this time of morning.
[09:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: Am working with your new boss :)
[09:47] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:48] <czajkowski> davmor2: dont torture him
[09:54] <bigcalm_lappy> This is a room of people with bad backs today. These wooden chairs aren't the best for one's posture
[09:58] <hoover> Good morning all
[10:09] <mrevell> bigcalm_lappy, Choose a nick and stick with it.
[10:10] <davmor2> mrevell: you're not here you are there I can point at you and all sorts
[10:10] <mrevell> heh
[10:12] <czajkowski> *grin*
[10:12] <bigcalm_lappy> Ahem
[10:12] <bigcalm_lappy> It means I'm not at home. Rather out and about annoying the wider community
[10:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: wear your thermals when you are here next week it's quite cool
[10:14] <JamesTait> Morning all!
[10:16] <davmor2> morning JamesTait
[10:16] <JamesTait> davmor2: Are you cow-orking in Wolverhampton today?
[10:18] <bigcalm_lappy> Moooooooooooooooo
[10:18] <davmor2> Mooooooooooooooooooo
[10:18] <mrevell> Working the udders now
[10:18] <davmor2> we are now
[10:19] <davmor2> JamesTait: we are indeed
[10:19] <JamesTait> :)
[10:19] <gord> i'm suddenly glad i skipped this one
[10:19] <JamesTait> I really wish I'd joined you.
[10:22] <JamesTait> My wife is studying psychology, and is writing up an experiment. What started out as "I just need you to help me with this equation" turned into a degree in statistics, crammed into 45 minutes.
[10:22] <JamesTait> My brain feels like it wants to explode.
[10:27] <mrevell> JamesTait, Heh, you should come next time :)
[10:29] <Knightwise> good morning everyone
[10:30] <JamesTait> mrevell: I probably should. I need to get a new car first though, which is dependent on the insurance companies getting their finger out.
[10:31] <JamesTait> mrevell: BTW, I'm not sure if we've met in the flesh?
[10:31] <mrevell> JamesTait, I'm not sure. I'm very short, if that helps you place me.
[10:31] <mrevell> :)
[10:32] <bigcalm_lappy> Brrrr
[10:32] <JamesTait> mrevell: That'd place you somewhere lower than me, I expect. ;)
[10:55] <bigcalm_lappy> I am bloody cold in here
[10:55] <bigcalm_lappy> Maybe if I play minecraft the latop will heat up
[11:16] <gord> launchpad timeout errors make gord mad, will become the gord hulk
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> Whee, Arduino arrived
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> + some basic stuff to connect it to/to it
[11:30] <brobostigon> :)
[11:32] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: cool
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10173
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> that one
[11:43] <bigcalm_lappy> mrevell wants a gimp
[11:46] <davmor2> bigcalm_lappy: Has volunteered to be mrevell 's gimp this is getting ugly
[11:47] <mrevell> I am disappointed by the level of conversation here.
[11:49]  * AlanBell pokes bigcalm_lappy (to wake him up)
[11:49]  * AlanBell is off to London in a sec with TheOpenSourcerer
[11:51] <danfish> AlanBell: gonna snow later - you might have to stay over in london which would be an almighty shame given the number of pubs and bars ;)
[11:54]  * bigcalm_lappy returns to the mess
[11:54] <bigcalm_lappy> Should order lunch really
[11:54] <gord> huh, the game company doublefine posted a kickstarter to raise money to make a game ... in what amounts to a morning they have raised $475,000
[11:57] <popey> blimey
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> guess: you'll never hear from the company again
[11:58] <bigcalm_lappy> Heh
[11:58] <gordonjcp> I wonder if I could post a kickstarter to get funding for my GPS tracking software
[11:58] <bigcalm_lappy> We need more people to come to these work place days so that it warms up a little
[11:59] <gord> no its a big company
[11:59] <diplo> I've debated it, just quite a distance :)
[11:59] <gord> they make big AAA games normally
[12:00] <gord> very well respected, made from people who made the greatest line of games ever (lucasarts adventure games from the 90s)
[12:01] <bigcalm_lappy> MI?
[12:02] <gord> yup!
[12:02] <gord> ron gilbert and tim shafer, best most funniest people in the entire world
[12:02] <gord> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/66710809/double-fine-adventure
[12:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] On vendor prefixes in CSS and vendors implementing them - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/02/09/on-vendor-prefixes-in-css-and-vendors-implementing-them
[12:21]  * bigcalm_lappy tries to get some work done while davmor2 is preoccupied with eating
[12:22] <davmor2> bigcalm_lappy: normally it's you slowing us down as you try typing on my laptop
[12:22] <bigcalm_lappy> I've learnt from my mistake. I will keep away from your weird hardware
[12:33] <BigRedS> what can a laptop do to make it hard to type? natural keyboard?
[12:39] <bigcalm_lappy> His keyboard is offset. The keys are not in the right locations
[12:39] <BigRedS> oh lordy
[12:40] <mgdm> I use a full-size wired Mac keyboard at work, which I get on fairly well with
[12:40] <mgdm> the small Bluetooth version though does my head in
[12:49] <oimon> anyone using dolphin browser on android? seems they are a bit cheeky
[12:50]  * MartijnVdS uses Chrome on Android
[12:50] <mgdm> proxying all traffic through their own boxes...?
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: so does Opera
[12:50] <DJones> Heh, not content with our emails & web history, google want our files now http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/09/google_to_launch_cloud_storage/ Depending on the storage space availble, I'd be tempted to use it
[12:50] <mgdm> Yeah, I know
[12:51] <oimon> it seems they were collecting browser history. tracken.dolphin-browser.com still apears in my traffic though
[12:54] <oimon> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1319529
[13:26] <bigcalm_lappy> With the noises that mrevell is making, one might think that it's cold in here
[13:28] <gord> nice and warm in my office ;)
[13:30] <bigcalm_lappy> Granddad is telling us stories now
[13:30] <oimon> werthers ?
[13:31] <brobostigon> eeek, the centre of tonights snow, is right above where i live, according to bbc weather on bbc news.
[13:32] <popey> didnt think we were getting more snow
[13:33] <brobostigon> bbc weather and the met office sites, both confirm snow for tonight,
[13:33] <popey> great!
[13:36] <bigcalm_lappy> brobostigon: where are you?
[13:36] <brobostigon> bigcalm_lappy: almost the very most north point of oxfordshire, banbury.
[13:36]  * oimon is eating love hearts "page me"? don't they mean BBM me? or write on my wall?
[13:37] <popey> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_warnings.html?day=1
[13:37] <ikonia> I would very much appreciate no snow
[13:37] <ikonia> popey: ooh ping, 3g dongle ?
[13:38] <popey> hmm?
[13:40] <ikonia> 3g dongle you said you had spare that was linux friendly ?
[13:40] <ikonia> (no sim, just the usb dongle)
[13:40] <ikonia> I'd forgot about it until I just saw you
[13:42]  * popey rummages
[13:43] <directhex> i used to have one of those
[13:44] <directhex> dunno where it is now
[13:44] <popey> found it!
[13:45] <popey> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 19d2:0031 ZTE WCDMA Technologies MSM MF110/MF627/MF636
[13:45] <popey> its one of them
[13:52] <ikonia> popey: as long as it's linux supported I'll be happy, and kiss you and give you cash/beer/donation to project
[13:55] <oimon> disappointed to discover that linux is not a popular OS in the antarctic http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-an-monthly-201101-201201-bar
[13:57] <diplo> Well it's all goverment sponsored really so you wouldn't think much else i guess
[13:58] <oimon> not academic research?
[13:59] <diplo> It's still subsidised by the goverment normally isn't it, from what I've read in the past
[13:59] <diplo> or by big corps
[14:00] <bigcalm_lappy> Can anybody explain what GetBytes() does in c#/c++/vb.net so that I might replicate it in PHP?
[14:00] <mgdm> bigcalm_lappy: you asked me something about that last night
[14:00] <mgdm> bigcalm_lappy: which I didn't get a chance to look at
[14:01] <mgdm> bigcalm_lappy: however I guess there are many GetBytes() functions in various .NET classes, so you need to specify which
[14:01] <BigRedS> bigcalm_lappy: doesnt' it take a list of characters and return their size were they encoded in unicode?
[14:01] <BigRedS> from a brief look at http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ydktsz9z.aspx which I suspect you've already read...
[14:01] <oimon> " Most bases are small 15 people in winter, 50 in summer,"
[14:01] <mgdm> like GetBytes() in an MD5 hasher will be different from GetBytes() in a file input stream or something
[14:03] <bigcalm_lappy> One moment
[14:04] <bigcalm_lappy> GetBytes() in this: https://raw.github.com/mono/mono/master/mcs/class/corlib/System.Security.Cryptography/PasswordDeriveBytes.cs
[14:06] <bigcalm_lappy> That is the mono version of this http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.security.cryptography.passwordderivebytes.aspx
[14:14] <BigRedS> what filesystem does unetbooting want my usb stick to be?
[14:14] <BigRedS> aha, fat32
[14:20] <oimon> does anyone know how this "if you want to lose weight try diet HCG" spam gets onto fb?
[14:21] <oimon> i've seen a lot in a few days but nobody ever knows what they clicked
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> oimon: probably some "See <popular artist>'s naked pics"
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> or superbowl-related somethings
[14:46] <BigRedS> Heh. I've not even finished the installer and I've already registered on Fedora's bugtracker
[14:47] <diplo> What you using fedora for? Just to see difference ?
[14:48] <BigRedS> yeah. I'm trying to force myself back into trying out other distros
[14:48] <BigRedS> And I keep being incredibly annoyed at everything that's 'wrong' in CentOS, so this might help
[14:49] <diplo> We still run Centos 4.8 at work so I haven't had any *new* annoyances
[14:50] <BigRedS> I don't even pay enough attention to know what current is. These are new machines, though, so I'd guess they're whatever's current stable
[14:50] <BigRedS> there's only three of them so far
[14:50] <diplo> heh, 6 something atm.. only had 1 server up so far with it. Trying to get our legacy app to work ok with it
[14:51] <diplo> so we can move away from 4.8 which is EOL end of this month
[14:51] <BigRedS> haha, yeah, we've a bunch of Lenny machines to do that to by, er, four days ago....
[14:54] <diplo> :P
[15:00] <oimon> MartijnVdS: my sister got it and she reckoned none of that type of stuff
[15:00] <oimon> but only women were affected...
[15:21] <czajkowski> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-February/034742.html  heads up for those on precise
[15:24] <diplo> Anyone here use owncloud at all ?
[15:27] <oimon> diplo: no but i'm following them and sparkleshare
[15:27] <diplo> I've got one setup but not newest version, just interested about moving all my calendars/contacts away from google to my own box
[15:28] <diplo> Seems it's in process but can't find if anyone has got it working yet
[15:28] <oimon> is there a desktop client?
[15:29] <diplo> Not got that far, installed and left it a few months ago after watching a LAS show
[15:29] <diplo> Going to take a browse around now
[15:31] <oimon> i use box.net and it's tedious
[15:31] <oimon> because of the web client
[15:32] <oimon> i can't upload a massive load of folders in bulk
[15:32] <oimon> making it a bit useless
[15:34] <diplo> I want everything on my server at home, or maybe eventually on my VPS
[15:34] <diplo> So just seeing how well i can do all of this
[16:24] <ali1234> how do i change my launchpad password?
[16:24] <bigcalm_lappy> ali1234: mrevil has left for the day sorry
[16:25] <ali1234> oh you have to go to https://login.launchpad.net/
[16:25] <ali1234> which isn't directly linked from any of the account pages
[16:26] <ali1234> ok this sucks
[16:26] <ali1234> my lp password has been compromised
[16:26] <ali1234> but in order to create a new one i have to make a stupid uppercase letter and number password
[16:27] <ali1234> which means i'll never be able to remember the new password
[16:27] <ali1234> and adds no security
[16:27] <ali1234> so yeah i'll be reseting the password on a weekly basis from now on
[16:28] <ali1234> either that or my new password is going to end in A1
[16:29] <oimon> for real? somebody brute forced your lp account?
[16:29] <ali1234> no
[16:29] <ali1234> i use the same password on all bug trackers
[16:29] <oimon> oic
[16:29] <BigRedS> I love it when you're forced to use a subset of possible passwords in order to make it more secure than if you could have used the entire set
[16:29] <ali1234> i just tried to make an account on a bugzilla
[16:30] <ali1234> but i accidentally typed password in the username field
[16:30] <oimon> why not make an evil long password and use keeppass or a browser to remember it for you?
[16:30] <ali1234> so now everyone on that bugzilla knows my password that i use for bugtrackers all over the place
[16:31] <lmontrieux> ali1234, oimon, keepassx can also generate a random password for you
[16:31] <oimon> lmontrieux: yes, true
[16:31] <lmontrieux> ali1234, you can also use lastpass, if you're a firefox user
[16:31] <ali1234> because i wipe my computer every 6 months when i reinstall ubuntu
[16:31] <lmontrieux> ali1234, no problem, just store your keepass database on a USB drive or Dropbox or something
[16:32] <BigRedS> that's still a bit less ideal than just knowing the password
[16:32] <ali1234> that's such a massive amount of hassle
[16:32] <mrevell> bigcalm_lappy, davmor2: Little bit warmer here...
[16:32] <ali1234> then i need to take the ub drive everywhere i go
[16:32] <ali1234> and not lose it
[16:32] <ali1234> and i need to install keepass on every computer i ever use
[16:32] <bigcalm_lappy> mrevell: I think I feel a little warmer
[16:32] <lmontrieux> BigRedS, sure, but it allows you to have a different password for every single service you use, which is a huge benefit, in terms of security
[16:32] <ali1234> including the ones that have no gui
[16:33] <BigRedS> lmontrieux: I already do that without having to also have all of them written down on every computer I use
[16:33] <mrevell> bigcalm_lappy, You get warmer just as hypothermia sets in, I believe.
[16:33] <bigcalm_lappy> Haha
[16:34] <lmontrieux> ali1234, for a CLI solution, you might want to have a look at http://sourceforge.net/projects/kpcli/ (haven't tried it myself)
[16:34] <BigRedS> You just need a system for concocting them, and it's annoying when it's broken by somewhere insisting that actually they'd rather *less* entropy int he password thankyouverymuch
[16:34] <ali1234> oh great, no i need to manage two password databases?
[16:34] <ali1234> BigRedS: exactly
[16:34] <lmontrieux> ali1234, no, both can read the same database
[16:36] <ali1234> ah well, maybe nobody saw it
[16:36] <ali1234> i'll just get the admin to delete that account and carry on using this password :)
[16:36] <ali1234> hurrah for security hteatre
[16:36]  * BigRedS looks for it
[16:37] <BigRedS> yeah, it's annoying when bugtrackers go the way of banks...
[16:37] <davmor2> mrevell: :P
[16:37] <davmor2> mrevell: you are just a big girlie wuss
[16:37] <ali1234> i don't think bugzilla even shows username anyway
[16:37] <ali1234> i don't know why it even asks you for one
[16:38] <ali1234> you can't even change your email anyway
[16:38] <mrevell> davmor2, We'd have been sent home from school at those temperatues...
[16:54] <bigcalm_lappy> Time to go home :(
[16:54] <bigcalm_lappy> Time to go into the warm :)
[16:55] <bigcalm_lappy> Toodles
[19:09] <osiris_> MooDoo: :( I bet you have had a good afternoon heh
[19:12] <smittix> My website has been down 6 hours now :(
[19:16]  * bigcalm gets home - time to start work
[19:20] <gord> if my website was down, i wouldn't notice for weeks
[19:20] <BigRedS> yeah, nobody noticed mine go down for a few days a few months back
[19:21] <popey> i might set my webcam up to monitor snowfall
[19:22] <gord> does it work well at night?
[19:22] <popey> yeah, streetlight illuminates our garden
[19:23] <gord> hadny
[19:23] <gord> handy*
[19:23] <smittix> gord: Im noticing as im getting tons of DM's on twitter
[19:24] <mikeatvillage> Hi. How can I force networking to reload, at the command prompt?
[19:25] <BigRedS> mikeatvillage: what problem are you trying to solve?
[19:25] <BigRedS> historically /etc/init.d/networking restart
[19:25] <BigRedS> but I don't know if that works in modern ubuntus
[19:26] <gord> in modern ubuntus: sudo restart networking
[19:27] <mikeatvillage> I've tried that but to no effect. If my ADSL router goes off, my machine loses the wireless connection. This is a bare Ubuntu Server 10.04 - no Gnome.
[19:27] <BigRedS> mikeatvillage: what're you using to establish the connection?
[19:28] <BigRedS> you'll need to monitor the connection and re-establish it when it goes away
[19:28] <BigRedS> unless whatever you're using is supposed to be doing that, in which case it just needs fixing
[19:28] <mikeatvillage> I manually configured /etc/networks/interfaces with the wlan0 details, it loads on boot.
[19:29] <BigRedS> yeah, so you can do   ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0    to reestablish the connection
[19:29] <BigRedS> but it wont do that automatically
[19:30] <mikeatvillage> I'll try that (but think I already did) brb.
[19:30] <popey> also the snow reflects the light so it looks better then
[19:30] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam
[19:32] <mikeatvillage> BigRedS: it goes down OK, but doesn't come back up with 'ifconfig wlan0 up' No error message.
[19:36] <mikeatvillage> BigRedS: My deepest apologies, completely misread your post. Yes, that works perfectly.
[19:36] <BigRedS> mikeatvillage: nothing in syslog?
[19:36] <BigRedS> aha
[19:36] <BigRedS> i'd probably cron a script which pings something and does the ifdown and ifup if it fails. I'm sure there's a more elegant way
[19:37] <mikeatvillage> now to make a cron job to check it and a script to start it if needed :-)
[19:38] <mikeatvillage> Haha... our posts crossed in the ether :-)
[19:38] <gord> tried to point my webcam outside, nothing doing :(
[19:39] <gord> i should get a really bright light and put a filter over it that blocks all but infra red, then point that outside with an infred filter on the webcam
[19:42] <smittix> Anyone know of a good uk VPS provider?
[19:42] <smittix> I think I will be moving after this escapade.
[19:42] <Azelphur> smittix: who you with currently, what are your requirements
[19:43] <popey> smittix: bitfolk
[19:43] <Azelphur> ^ probably, but answer above first  just to be sure
[19:50] <smittix> Azelphur: Currently with HeartInternet.
[19:51] <smittix> Currently have a VPS with unmetered bandwidth 1gb RAM 50GB Disk
[19:51] <smittix> Similar would be good. ÂÂ25 quid a month that costs. So it's pretty cheap.
[19:52] <Azelphur> smittix: says on the website that only costs £11.99 :o
[19:52] <Azelphur> smittix: bitfolk is good though, if you are happy with UK hosting and can afford it
[19:53] <smittix> Sorry thats right, Id just been reading another site and had that price in my head heh
[19:53] <smittix> Azelphur: I only went with heart because the data center is down the road from me heh
[19:53] <smittix> I'll have a look at bitfolk
[19:54] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:55] <smittix> 6 hours it's been down now
[19:55] <smittix> Last update on their service status page was at 1:30pm so it's probably been longer.
[20:08] <ali1234> http://imgur.com/RNniD
[20:18] <jacobw> :)
[20:39] <aquarius> smittix: bytemark are excellent
[20:40]  * jacobw uses bytemark
[22:13] <smittix> Evening
[22:15] <popey> pip pip
[22:16]  * smittix is majorly frustrated now.
[22:16] <ali1234> those 10 day videos i uploaded to youtube failed to convert :)
[22:16] <ali1234> it had a good go though... only failed after a day or so
[22:22] <AlanBell> wow
[22:27] <bigcalm> 10 days of what?
[22:27] <bigcalm> Hi peeps btw :)
[22:28] <directhex> bigcalm: rick astley
[22:31] <bigcalm> Nice :D
[22:32] <bigcalm> mrevell: how the phone?
[22:33] <mrevell> bigcalm, Heeeeey
[22:33]  * bigcalm feels toasty warm, it's lovely :D
[22:33] <mrevell> bigcalm, This is the first time I've sat down since finishing work, so no progress.
[22:34] <bigcalm> Did you manage to get any work done?
[22:38] <mrevell> bigcalm, Yes, thank the lord. I'm about to do some more. I'll remind davmor2 of the bit after the co- in co-working :)
[22:38] <mrevell> hehe
[22:39] <mrevell> Peoples of the internet: what's a good music player that scrobbles? Happy to try anything; prefer notification integration.
[23:01] <BigRedS> mrevell: I think rhythmbox does
[23:01] <popey> banshee does too
[23:02] <mrevell> Yeah, Rhythmbox is my player of choice really. Just wondered if there was anything else out there. I've played around with Clementine, and the one that started as an Amarok clone.
[23:03] <mrevell> Yeah, Banshee's much more stable for me than it used to be.
[23:03] <BigRedS> I've just realised how long it's been since I last used anything other than spotufy
[23:05] <popey> Yeah, me too
[23:06] <Azelphur> TwistedCat makes TF2 updates look so smooth on my IRC channel lol, http://pastebin.com/QQvR8WVK \o/
[23:08] <bigcalm> It would be nice to use the new Spotify
[23:11] <ali1234> it would be nice if the linux version didn't crash more than the windows version in wine
[23:15] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggg3C87UVCY
[23:17] <ali1234> coal, gas, oil, ... what are the other three?
[23:18] <popey> fission?
[23:18] <ali1234> not a fossil fuel
[23:18] <bigcalm> popey: cute
[23:19] <popey> bigcalm: sexy
[23:19] <bigcalm> -o/
[23:19] <bigcalm> WTF?
[23:19] <bigcalm> Keyboard now in weird mode
[23:20] <popey> !away Lcawte|Away
[23:20] <bigcalm> Yep, shift + , = Z
[23:20] <popey> BAH!
[23:20] <bigcalm> Time to restart synergy
 That's better
[23:20] <bigcalm> As I was saying
[23:21] <bigcalm> \o/
[23:21] <bigcalm> I am writing a VB.NET service app. I feel exceedingly dirty
[23:25] <ali1234> why don't you just run it in mono
[23:27] <bigcalm> Because it is going to be running on a Windows server
[23:27] <ali1234> why are you even rewriting it at all then?
[23:27] <bigcalm> I don't know mono, I'm cobbling together vb.net examples to do get this working
[23:28] <bigcalm> The original script I was given was in vb.net. It does the encryption correctly and I haven't been able to replicate it in PHP
[23:29] <bigcalm> Either I a) had my linux server create the encrypted file which then got ftp'd to a windows server or b) send a message over a VPN to the Windows server to an application which will create the encrypted file
[23:30] <bigcalm> Either way, the encrypted file needs to be on the windows server which then transports it elsewhere