[00:55] <xujuan> buenas
[00:56] <xujuan> soy nuevo alguien me podria ayudar con un problema?
[00:57] <knome> !es | xujuan
[01:32] <brobri> Hello
[01:33] <brobri> Just checking XChat out
[01:46] <Butternubs> Hello
[01:49] <knome> hullo
[01:50] <Butternubs> Xubuntu is quite the excellent distribution
[01:50] <knome> thanks, and good to hear you're enjoying it
[01:50] <sancris> yup...indeed it is
[01:51] <Butternubs> Really the best I've tried recently
[01:51] <Butternubs> before this year, I used slackware back in 05 or something and haven't used linux since
[08:23] <itsadante> would anyone here have experience with jetway motherboards?
[08:24] <itsadante> i'm trying to install xubuntu and my screen is totally out of whack
[08:25] <itsadante> anyone?
[09:55] <BezNalogov> Hello. I have installed xubuntu. The strange thing is that after I log in I get a black screen with a terminal screen. No desktop. How can I solve this?
[10:35] <Kaapa> hello - how can I configure my laptop to automatically switch from ondemand to powersave while on battery?
[10:46] <ThePendulum> Hello there
[11:33] <Fudge> hi
[11:34] <Fudge> whats the command to unmute sound? is it alsactl set-sink-volume 100 100 or something like that
[11:36] <TVasEyes> Fudge: I use alsamixer from a console or xterm and manage settings visually  (is a ncurses frontend), then use alsactl store to make settings permanent.
[11:37] <Fudge> hey TVasEyes , i use that too but i'm figuring out a command  for when sound is muted since i use text to speech and would have no way of knowing what is happening
[11:38] <TVasEyes> ah, ok. sorry.
[11:39] <Fudge> ah pacmd set-sink-volume 0 100%
[11:39] <TVasEyes> :)
[11:39] <Fudge> no need to be sorry its  a good suggestion :D
[11:39] <TVasEyes> glad you found it though.
[11:41] <Fudge> grep'd logs, now to read up on that man page, i really wanna try the daily of xubuntu coz i like xfce but have never been able to get it to work that great with gnome-orca unless you basically use all the apps you would normally use in a gnome desktop
[11:42] <lordjj> Hi. I have a primary partition holding a windows, and an extended partition with 6 logical partitions inside it, 3 of which are /, /home, and swap for an existing distro. I want to set up a new distro with only a /, and swap. What's the best course of action? Creating a new primary partition for the new distro's /? And if I do so, can I share the swap of the existing distro? Or should I make a logical partition for the new distro inside the extended partit
[11:42] <lordjj> ion?
[11:43] <Fudge> well u can share swaps yes, only one OS will use it at any one time
[11:45] <lordjj> If I set up the new distro on a new primary partition (say sda3), can it access the swap partition that's in the extended partition (sda7)?
[11:45] <TVasEyes> yes.
[11:45] <Fudge> you will notice when you are on the live cd that it will use your swap as well
[11:45] <lordjj> They don't have to be inside the same primary/extended partition then, if I understand correctly.
[11:46] <TVasEyes> not even on the same hard drive.
[11:46] <lordjj> Ok, thanks.
[11:46] <lordjj> I understand windows needs its own primary partition
[11:46] <Fudge> you could always shrink an existing partition within your extended and use the space for your new OS on a /
[11:46] <lordjj> The same is not true for having multiplr distros?
[11:47] <Fudge> some BSD flavours require primary
[11:47] <TVasEyes> for instance lordjj, I've /boot in a primary and / and swap in logical partitions.
[11:48] <lordjj> Ah, alright.
[11:48] <Fudge> i have wondered if you could install windows ot a primary then use gparted to move it into a logical and tell grub where it is, if it would work
[11:48] <TVasEyes> no idea, sounds dicey.  (I got rid of my last Win XP a couple of weeks ago :) )
[11:49] <lordjj> hm
[11:49] <lordjj> Any advantage to having the new distro's / on its own primary partition? Performance, or anything?
[11:49] <TVasEyes> Fudge: wouldn't try though since C: drive is first partition on first hd, I think
[11:50] <TVasEyes> should make little difference lordjj, the distinction is largely historical.
[11:50] <Fudge> i could always dd a windows machien and throw it at a linux machine and see what happens, even though it would have a hissy fit with the hardware and basically not work
[11:51] <Fudge> i'm told even wubi ubuntu still runs as good as native
[11:51] <TVasEyes> yes, "Windows Advantage has detected ...."  :)
[11:51] <lordjj> I tried wubi once, it got corrupted after a power failure
[11:51] <Fudge> :D bbs booting xubuntu precise
[11:52] <TVasEyes> lordjj: you could install new distro(s) as virtual machines on existing system.
[11:52] <TVasEyes> I really rate working with VirtualBox.
[11:52] <lordjj> Yes, I understand, but I'm aiming for a full install.
[11:52] <TVasEyes> ok.
[11:53] <lordjj> I supposed I'll default to ext4. Anyone recommends ReiserFS?
[11:54] <baizon> not me :)
[11:54] <baizon> btrfs :)
[11:54] <TVasEyes> I use journaled FS only for /home and for my database partition. / and /boot are largely static, so ext2 is fine.
[11:54] <baizon> but its not solid stable :D
[11:54] <lordjj> This discourages me baizon "Warning: Btrfs has not yet implemented a fsck utility. The filesystem cannot be repaired if corruption occurs."
[11:55] <baizon> yes thats what i ment in my last line :)
[11:56] <Sysi> ext4 is solid and fast enough
[11:56] <lordjj> do you consider /var static though?
[11:56] <baizon> Sysi: agree
[11:56] <Sysi> you want ssd anyway
[11:56] <baizon> i use ext4 for all my partitions
[11:57] <baizon> ext4 is optimized for ssd, am i right Sysi ?
[11:57] <Sysi> not really
[11:57] <baizon> :(
[11:57] <baizon> but its the best file system
[11:57] <Sysi> not reallywell, TRIM might be ext4 only
[11:58] <baizon> if not then i have to research
[11:58] <baizon> cause im planning to buy a ssd in the next month
[12:02] <lordjj> I'm a bit concerned about what Grub will show me after I install the new distro. I suppose that's always a simple fix though.
[12:04] <phillipmaloney> what do you expect grub to show you?
[12:05] <lordjj> Well I had it where Grub had 2 linux entries that pointed to the same newly isntalled distro once
[12:07] <phillipmaloney> thats odd
[12:22] <Fudge> ok guys maybe someone can give me some really simple info on xubuntu how it boots
[12:23] <Fudge> since i cant really see what's happening on the screen, can someone fil me in on what happens
[12:23] <Fudge> is it like ubuntu, boots into a live desktop?
[12:24] <Fudge> at the boot screen does f5 still have accessibility boot options, f5, choosen language then screen reader is # 3 etc
[12:25] <Fudge> if anyone has a live image they could boot from to tell me that would be really helpful :)
[12:40]  * metasansana pulls out the boot usb
[12:40] <metasansana> Fudge: give me a second
[12:42] <Fudge> :D thanks
[12:43] <metasansana> crap I forgot I put Debian on this thing
[12:43] <metasansana> Ill have to reconnect my dvd drive
[12:43] <Fudge> ahahah loL its all good
[12:44] <Fudge> the xubuntu installation guide says The installation process for Xubuntu is basically the same as for Ubuntu. Please refer to the Ubuntu Installation Guide for more information.
[12:44] <Fudge> which tells me that hopefully the new accessibility method from oneiric pushing control S when you hear the drums sound should activate accessibility, not sure for xubuntu though since gnome-orca i believe is not part of the iamge
[12:45] <Fudge> image, maybe they shoudl fork it to zoo-orca loL
[12:46] <metasansana> :/
[12:46] <metasansana> you mean ctrl+s at log in
[12:46] <metasansana> ?
[12:46] <metasansana> or at boot time ?
[12:48] <Fudge> when the desktop loads on live cd
[12:48] <metasansana> well xubuntu is xfce
[12:48] <Fudge> i think it is the same as the boot otion pushing f5 and choosing language, the accessibility you want and then proceeding that way
[12:48] <Fudge> yep i know
[12:49] <Fudge> all i could see is a box coming up when i hit enter and going away again after hitting enter again, loop.
[12:49] <metasansana> ok let me check
[12:50] <metasansana> I am on 11.10 btw
[12:50] <Fudge> okey
[12:56] <Fudge> not finding much joy on google
[12:56]  * Fudge yawns
[12:59] <Fudge> ill poke head in morn mate :D
[13:08] <metasansana> meh
[13:13] <cYmen> I have super+l set as shortcut for xflock4 in my keyboard shortcuts
[13:13] <cYmen> it doesn't work
[13:13] <cYmen> from experience I would say it works if I set it again now but stops working after reboot
[13:13] <cYmen> any suggestsion?
[13:14] <cYmen> suggestions
[13:37] <lordjj> isn't there a file in your home to set keyboard shortcuts?
[13:42] <cYmen> uh...I don't know? :)
[13:42] <lordjj> You're setting them in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml ?
[13:42] <cYmen> No, I'm setting them using the settings manager....
[13:43] <lordjj> You can check out that file with a text editor.
[13:43] <cYmen> ...but it's in there.
[14:09] <baizon> a quick question, there is a package unity-2d-launcher. Is it possible to integrate it into xubuntu?
[14:17] <cYmen> lordjj: That configuration file also says that super+e should launch thunar but that doesn't work either. What should I do?
[14:22] <junglejim> hi - Google around but could not find an answer. How do I connect to windows share from xubuntu?
[14:22] <lordjj> Don't know beyond that cYmen
[14:22] <GridCube> !gvfs
[14:23] <GridCube> !info gvfs | install this junglejim
[14:24] <Sysi> gvfs-backends actually, then use gigolo or ctrl L in thunar
[14:25] <GridCube> oh correct... i always forget about the backends part :(
[14:27] <Sysi> cYmen: do you have xfce4-settings-helper running
[14:27] <cYmen> Sysi: don't know what is that?
[14:27] <junglejim> okay .. installed ... now using ctrl L in thunar - but what is the format for 192.168.2.1 and H_Shared
[14:27] <cYmen> Sysi: ps says I do
[14:28] <cYmen> xfce4-settings-helper --display :0.0 --sm-client-id 23c3f0ee2-fc95-422d-bbbc-1e5e51ea7ca8
[14:30] <Sysi> hotkey daemon
[14:30] <Sysi> ps -e | grep settings
[14:30] <junglejim> GridCube: Installed gvfs but not sure of the format for ctrl l in thunar
[14:30] <GridCube> !info gvfs-backends
[14:30] <GridCube> junglejim, ^^^^
[14:30] <GridCube> i forgot about the backends part, as Sysi_ pointed out
[14:32] <junglejim> GrideCube: Thanks - installed it. When I click CTRL L in thunar, it asks to open a location. How do I specify my windows machine and share name?
[14:33] <lordjj> cYmen said: Sysi: ps says I do  (just in case Sysi didn't see that when he got disconnected :) )
[14:34] <junglejim> GridCube: Thanks - installed it. When I click CTRL L in thunar, it asks to open a location. How do I specify my windows machine and share name?
[14:35] <cYmen> lordjj: ah, thanks! I have joins/quits on ignore. :)
[14:35] <Sysi> ah, I reconnected when lag hit 90s
[14:35] <GridCube> junglejim, use gigolo first? i don't know never used it :P
[14:36] <Sysi> gigolo is nice gui, you can also check thunar help from net
[14:38] <junglejim> gigolo worked thanks ... thunar would not let me click ok ... I'll browse for some thunar help. Thanks GridCube and Sysi
[14:39] <Sysi> np
[14:51] <xujuan> buenas
[14:52] <xujuan> como va todo
[14:53] <XartaoX> 'mornin'
[14:53] <GridCube> !es | xujuan bien pero...
[14:53] <XartaoX> can anyone recommend a GOOD IRC client? now using xchat ... i'd really like one where i can drag-n-drop re-order the tabs of channels i have open
[14:54] <XartaoX> SO MANY CHOICES!
[14:54] <XartaoX> XD
[14:54] <XartaoX> i likez options, but criminey!!!
[14:57] <GridCube> XartaoX, on xchat, uncheck "sort channel names by alphabetical order", then you can sort them as you please
[14:59] <XartaoX> it IZ unchecked
[15:03] <GridCube> oh, well, enjoy testing other irc clients :P
[15:03] <XartaoX> lolz
[15:03] <XartaoX> fair nuf i guess
[15:04] <XartaoX> i also find, with XChat, that no matter WHAT colors I customize, whatever I type shows up grey in the channel
[15:05] <GridCube> oh, what YOU type is shown to YOU grey, for the rest its how you meant it
[15:06] <XartaoX> i see
[15:06] <GridCube> OH, no, i lied, it does not
[15:06] <XartaoX> i see
[15:07] <GridCube> it does show colors, but i can't use them in this channels
[15:07] <GridCube> colors are against the rules :P
[15:07] <XartaoX> i just want classic black background, what I've said gree, what others say red
[15:07] <XartaoX> *green
[15:08] <GridCube> oh, that can be fixed rather easy
[15:09] <XartaoX> i'm listening :)
[15:09] <GridCube> >configuration >preferences >colors
[15:09] <GridCube> :P
[15:10] <XartaoX> under $HOME? or somewhere in /usr/???
[15:10] <XartaoX> err wait .. u mean IN the program, not text config
[15:10] <XartaoX> ja
[15:11] <GridCube> indeed
[15:11] <XartaoX> you see ... it seems no matter WHICH colors i set, it doesn't affect what I've typed
[15:11] <GridCube> thats one of the colors
[15:12] <XartaoX> nope
[15:12] <XartaoX> GAH!!!
[15:13] <XartaoX> oh never mind
[15:13] <XartaoX> i found it
[15:13] <XartaoX> i guess it wasn't grey, it was dark blueish something
[15:13] <XartaoX> sorry
[15:13] <XartaoX> and thx
[15:13] <GridCube> np
[15:13] <XartaoX> ... still can't drag-reorder my tabs tho
[15:13] <XartaoX> oh well
[15:14] <GridCube> XartaoX, did you restarted xchat after uncheckig?
[15:15] <XartaoX> it was already unchecked when i started it
[15:15] <GridCube> oh
[15:15] <XartaoX> however, i have to restart due to some color settings i just made, so we'll see after that
[15:15] <XartaoX> brb
[15:16] <XartaoX> nope. still no dragging tabs about
[15:16] <GridCube> XartaoX, i suppose you will be hapier on #xchat :P
[15:16] <XartaoX> aha
[15:17] <XartaoX> there's a #channel for everything, eh XD
[15:17] <XartaoX> thx
[15:17] <GridCube> probably :P
[15:17] <GridCube> they know xchat magic
[15:58] <tejaswidp> Why are lex and yacc installed by default (along with flex and bison)? Are there applications which use these programs?
[16:25] <hobgoblin> no music players working in 12.04 - anyone got the same issue - all updated to current
[16:33] <Sysi> hobgoblin: gsyreamer-plugins installed? (bad, ugly ffmpeg)
[16:34] <hobgoblin> Sysi: yea - all was working fine till last night :)
[16:34] <hobgoblin> I think that it might be a gstreamer update - bad I think
[16:35] <hobgoblin> good job I keep 3 machines in different states of update
[16:39] <Sysi> what's exactly broken? or how
[16:39] <hobgoblin> I have clementine, gmusicbrowser, parole - start it playing - they don't start playing
[16:40] <hobgoblin> then they appear to hang
[16:40] <hobgoblin> just looked at the laptop - there were updates for both the good and the bad queued - guessing it's to do with that
[16:41] <hobgoblin> just updating the lappy - see if it breaks the same :)
[16:42] <Sysi> have you tried rebooting?
[16:42] <hobgoblin> more than once ... just waiting for the laptop to finish then at least I can say it's not just this machine
[16:43] <hobgoblin> then I guess a bug report :)
[16:47] <hobgoblin> Sysi: yep - fail - but slightly different, first track plays ok then when it goes to the next one it hangs
[17:05] <cYmen> Sysi: What
[17:05] <cYmen> Sysi: What were you going to say about xfce4-settings-helper?
[17:05] <Sysi> it's xfce:s hotkey daemon
[17:06] <Sysi> do you use compiz? I think it could mess things up too
[17:09] <mongy> wish my media keys worked.  well volume does, but next/prev/play/pause track and eject don't
[17:10] <Sysi> enable gnome services in settings -> sessions and startup
[17:11] <mongy> hmmm
[17:11] <Sysi> sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install gnome-settings-daemon
[17:11] <mongy> tried that out once, and onboard loaded, but apart from that I never really saw anything else happening.. did not think to try the keys
[17:24] <hobgoblin> Sysi: well no idea what's up - but I've reported it against audacious/parole/gmusicbroswer - I suspect one would have done and the others are dupes though - thanks for help
[17:28] <hobgoblin> I've had a few other people check in ubuntu - no problems
[17:41] <lordjj> 40GB for / (including home and everything) should be enough (knowing that I store all my media on other partitions) right?
[17:41] <hobgoblin> I'd say so
[17:46] <SpiKe_Spiegel> It's ok, I personnally use 20 GiB for / , so it lets you 20 GiB for /home
[17:47] <hobgoblin> my / is about 16GB - use about 9Gb - but most of my data is music and that lives elsewhere
[17:48] <lordjj> I'm just gonna put it all in one partition
[17:49] <hobgoblin> it'll be fine
[17:49] <lordjj> Yeah my current install is only using 9.5 GB. I wonder if 40GB is too much now :p
[17:49] <hobgoblin> I stopped using a seperate /home long ago
[17:50] <lordjj> I used to at first, but I'd always fill it up, and end up having unused GBs in the / partition
[17:50] <hobgoblin> If all your data is elsewhere then I would think that 40 is too much - depends what you intend to do and install I giuess
[17:51] <lordjj> I usually store my stuff elsewhere.
[17:51] <hobgoblin> lordjj: I stopped once I started using other drives for data - seemed pointless, if I wanted I could just symlink - but as it is moutning in /mnt suits me fine
[17:51] <lordjj> I might experiment with DEs though, not sure how big those can get
[17:52] <hobgoblin> mmm - you want me to have a look?
[17:52] <lordjj> Sure
[17:53] <hobgoblin> ubuntu - 96Mb, kubuntu - 375Mb - other *boxes won't be much at all
[17:53] <lordjj> hm, there's enough space then
[17:54] <lordjj> Maybe I'll go 30GB
[17:54] <hobgoblin> you can always remove them - as long as you actually remove not just the *-desktop package
[17:55] <lordjj> Yeah, i'd have to find 'em ony by one
[17:55] <lordjj> *one by one
[17:56] <hobgoblin> nope
[17:56] <hobgoblin> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[17:57] <hobgoblin> long command - but it is only one, though if you have any oddities installed they might need resintalling
[17:57] <lordjj> Ah, handy
[17:57] <hobgoblin> indeed it is :)
[17:59] <lordjj> I'm thinking of just using blackbox
[17:59] <lordjj> It's amazing to login so fast
[18:00] <hobgoblin> :)
[18:00] <hobgoblin> not used that - have used fluxbox in the past - liked that
[18:01] <lordjj> What happens when I install gtk and kde applications though? They'd download gtk & kde libraries?
[18:01] <lordjj> Fluxbox and blackbox seem very similar
[18:02] <hobgoblin> lordjj: see the difference between installing ubuntu and kubuntu above :)
[20:06] <MsPelled> greetings.  newbie here.
[20:07] <GridCube> grettins newby MsPelled :)
[20:07] <MsPelled> If anybody friendly wants to point me at how to fix my catfish app, I'd be eternally grateful.  Just doesn't respond.
[20:07] <MsPelled> hi grid
[20:07] <GridCube> !details | MsPelled
[20:08] <MsPelled> ah, okay, thanks for your patience
[20:08] <GridCube> :P
[20:08] <GridCube> also
[20:08] <GridCube> !doesntwork
[20:08] <MsPelled> *listening*
[20:08] <MsPelled> lol
[20:09] <MsPelled> okay, recently, catfish is greyed out.  clicking on it does absolutely nothing (not even sitting on the couch...).  tried uninstalling and reinstalling.  didn't change anything
[20:09] <MsPelled> like I said - complete newbie
[20:09] <MsPelled> end-user loser.  :/
[20:09] <MsPelled> but an eager learner...!
[20:10] <GridCube> MsPelled: run it from a terminal
[20:10] <XartaoX> Hey. Wondering what sort of 'hit' windows apps get when running under Wine?
[20:11] <GridCube> MsPelled: run it from a terminal and paste what it says to a pastebin
[20:11] <GridCube> !pastebin
[20:11] <Sebastien> GridCube: Using Copy/Paste is easy, it saves you time and efforts to share doccuments, scripts, and other kind of text. We DO encourage to use this feature, simply not in here. This chat room is not a pastebin. Please use www.pastebin.com to copy/paste if its more then 3 lines. Thank you. (failure to comply may result in a kick/ban from the channel ops)
[20:11] <Sebastien> [This information is sent as a courtesy, feel free to notify me for removal in #xubuntu]
[20:12] <GridCube> XartaoX: what do you mean by 'hit'
[20:12] <XartaoX> performance
[20:13] <GridCube> http://appdb.winehq.org/
[20:13] <MsPelled> GridCube: thanks for the info.  I think I need an even more primitive bootcamp on how to use ubuntu generally.
[20:13] <MsPelled> awesome idea, but sooooo unintuitive
[20:13] <GridCube> XartaoX: ^^^^^ there you get info on how some apps behave on wine
[20:13] <MsPelled> I think I have to go back to a stupid corporate OS.  Sigh.
[20:13] <XartaoX> there's some astronomy apps i kinda need .. altho there are native linux alternatives, or stuff i can compile
[20:14] <GridCube> MsPelled: :P its not unintuitive if you use linux for a few months, using the terminal is always better :D
[20:14] <XartaoX> steam, eh? hmmmm .... perhaps I can play X3: Reunion on this box after all
[20:14] <GridCube> XartaoX: check here http://appdb.winehq.org/
[20:14] <GridCube> :)
[20:14] <MsPelled> I've actually been using linux for a year or so, but only the surface stuff. now that something is wrong, I realize how little I know...
[20:15] <XartaoX> thx
[20:15] <MsPelled> p.s. been at LEAST ten years since I used IRC, too!  This is a last-ditch attempt
[20:15] <GridCube> MsPelled: thats actually pretty cool, it means *buntu people is doing stuff right :P
[20:15] <XartaoX> looks like i'm installing Wine today .... .... BUT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A WORKSTATION, NOT FOR GAMES!!
[20:15]  * XartaoX apologizes for the yelling
[20:15] <MsPelled> lol xartaox
[20:16] <MsPelled> work/play - where's the line, after all??
[20:16] <GridCube> XartaoX: :P you could scream and offtopic
[20:16] <GridCube> s/and/in/
[20:17] <mongy> MsPelled, open a terminal and type catfish, then left click select the output and right click copy.  then goto paste.ubuntu.com and paste in there and then copy  paste the link it gives you.
[20:17] <XartaoX> oh dear. Oblivion too ... Xd
[20:17] <MsPelled> mongy: tx so much.  output = "RuntimeError: Bad magic number in .pyc file"
[20:18] <GridCube> thats everithing it outputs MsPelled ?
[20:18] <MsPelled> yep, that's it, Grid
[20:18] <mongy> fffhmm
[20:18] <MsPelled> and thanks Mongy for letting me know wth a pastebin is!
[20:19] <MsPelled> < --- is a fast learner, but woefully uninformed
[20:19] <mongy> and what does /usr/bin/catfish do
[20:19] <MsPelled> in terminal?
[20:19] <mongy> yes
[20:19] <MsPelled> same output - bad magic number, etc
[20:20] <MsPelled> give it to me, straight, doc.
[20:20] <MsPelled> is it terminal?
[20:20] <MsPelled> bwahahahaha...sorry, cracked meself up with a pun
[20:20] <MsPelled> seriously, I dunno what's wrong
[20:20] <MsPelled> hell, I dunno what's right.
[20:20] <mongy> what version are you using?
[20:20] <MsPelled> cept that catfish sits on the couch all day
[20:21] <MsPelled> ummm...how do I find out which version I'm using?
[20:21] <MsPelled> xfce 4.8
[20:21] <MsPelled> does that help?
[20:21] <GridCube> catfish --version
[20:21] <GridCube> on a terminal
[20:21] <MsPelled> oh.  sorry.
[20:22] <mongy> is your xubuntu an upgrade?
[20:22] <MsPelled> mongy: not sure what you're asking
[20:22] <mongy> hmm
[20:22] <MsPelled> this is an old laptop that I resurrected with ubuntu rather than going out and buying something from The Man.  :/
[20:22] <GridCube> he asks if its a clean install or you did a software center updaet
[20:22] <mongy> sudo apt-get remove --purge catfish
[20:22] <MsPelled> oh....yes, clean install
[20:23] <mongy> sudo apt-get clean
[20:23] <mongy> sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install catfish
[20:23] <MsPelled> removing catfish now
[20:23] <mongy> in fact.... just to be sure,  stick a sudo rm /usr/share/catfish -rf after the clean
[20:25] <Myrtti> !pastebin
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[20:25] <GridCube> D:
[20:25] <MsPelled> removed, cleaned, -rf'd, installed.
[20:25] <GridCube> mongy:  dont you ever say that again
[20:25] <GridCube> D:
[20:25] <GridCube> not on an open channel
[20:25] <pangolin> Sebastien: please disable that script for Ubuntu channels and please ask permission before enabling any talking scripts in the future
[20:25] <MsPelled> *stares stupidly* what did mongy say?
[20:25] <mongy> what?
[20:25] <Pici> Sebastien: in ubuntu channels that is.
[20:25] <MsPelled> should I be blushing??
[20:25] <pangolin> right
[20:26] <GridCube> !rm
[20:26] <MsPelled> tx, ubottu - got the link
[20:26] <mongy> and what if that file is a problem and it's not removed by apt?  then what
[20:26] <GridCube> MsPelled: to delete files use a file manager, try to never use a terminal to do rm its VERY VERY DANGEROUS TO USE IT
[20:26] <XartaoX> yet another query from me: I'll be around now and then 'til I get up to speed here =]
[20:27] <XartaoX> can anyone direct me to some help with applying seperate ICC profiles to each monitor in my dual-head setup?
[20:27] <MsPelled> gridcube: too late?
[20:27] <MsPelled> eep.
[20:27] <XartaoX> i've created a profile for each monitor already, using LProf
[20:28] <mongy> ok then.   try and run it then
[20:28] <GridCube> MsPelled: ok, but you could pretty much do a lot more of harm doing it than anything you actually had
[20:28] <MsPelled> will read some more before I screw up more files... and maybe that's why catfish is acting silly?  did I screw it up??
[20:28] <GridCube> nah
[20:29] <GridCube> MsPelled: catfish depends on python, and its version number, and md5 number does not coincide with what you have, so its saying "lol this is not what i know is safe to run so i wont run it"
[20:30] <GridCube> you see, if you google your error its a pretty common one
[20:30] <MsPelled> Ohhhhh. I think I know what I did!  I had to install TextSTAT - which needed an older version of Python
[20:30] <MsPelled> so there's a mismatch
[20:30] <GridCube> there you have it
[20:31] <MsPelled> grid, I tried to google this, but didn't find anything
[20:31] <MsPelled> so ... fixing python is key?
[20:31] <GridCube> indeed
[20:31] <MsPelled> ahhh.
[20:31] <MsPelled> *runs off to research "how to unscrew-up Python" on google.
[20:32] <GridCube> MsPelled: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22RuntimeError%3A+Bad+magic+number+in+.pyc+file%22
[20:33] <MsPelled> LOL @ lmgtfy.  Very insulting
[20:33] <MsPelled> < -- not an idiot, just new! ;)
[20:33] <GridCube> :P its just a joke
[20:33] <MsPelled> < -- and grateful, even for tongue-in-cheek help!
[20:34] <GridCube> MsPelled: use /me
[20:38] <mongy> MsPelled, you seem quite capable, as you were aware of the python downgrade
[21:33] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[21:34] <ThePendulum> How do I set <Alt>Print as an Application Shortcut? It accepts either <Alt> or another key, but not <Alt> i.c.w. another key