[00:24] Riddell: ping [00:27] nigelb: ping === josh_wines is now known as joshwines [03:33] Darkwing: pong. I see your email. [03:43] * ejat pokes nigelb :) [03:46] hey ejat [03:46] hows ya day ? [03:48] going to be long. I need to run around for some event related logistics. [04:04] nigelb: I was going to ask for your email but I got it. [04:04] :) [04:05] yay. new big bang theory. obbligatos [04:05] bbl [04:05] damn auto correct === yofel_ is now known as yofel [06:18] apoi: put the new kde-gtk-config on my todo list, as I was working on gtk3 anyway [06:19] tab fail, sry [06:26] I've looked it kde-gtk-config for a moment yesterday, seems to work ok, but haven't looked at it codewise [06:26] I'll write up the changes for startkde today (as settings.ini need the same initial creation as gtkrc) [06:27] *needs [06:52] afiestas: didn't see u here for a few days... is there a fix you'd like me to try to the suspend bug? [06:54] afiestas: btw, I've experimented and confirmed my suspicion: suspend works ok until the first time an external monitor is connected - after that, it never works when the lid is closed (event after the monitor is later disconnected) === jussi01 is now known as Guest34180 === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === zanoi_ is now known as zanoi === Guest75024 is now known as Mamarok === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia === superfly__ is now known as superfly [08:37] yofel: gtk just needs fixing!!$!! :P === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger === tsdgeos_ is now known as tsdgeos === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok === Mamarok is now known as Guest53427 === frederik_ is now known as fregl === fenris_ is now known as Guest89739 === jussi01 is now known as Guest59628 === Guest89739 is now known as ejat [09:44] Tm_T: isn't that a compatibility package? [09:44] transitional or what w ecall it :P [09:52] apachelogger: could be, just noticed a 3rd-party package depend on it [09:53] yes, they do that :P [09:53] perhaps you should inform the 3rd party to update their package :P [09:53] this qt4-gui is not around forever :P [09:53] !find libqt4-gui [09:53] Found: libqt4-gui [09:53] !info libqt4-gui [09:53] libqt4-gui (source: qt4-x11): transitional package for Qt 4 GUI runtime libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu8.1 (oneiric), package size 8 kB, installed size 128 kB (Only available for any all) [09:53] yeah, that is transitional [09:54] the earlier they change to the prper package, the better for them [09:54] yup [09:54] hi dear user. there is some thing missing when upgrading to kde 4.8.0 for me in kwin. even if I can se them in kwinrc. [09:54] bug? [09:55] something? [09:55] http://imgur.com/UyFJO [09:55] functional check is not there [09:56] nor direct rending option === ulysses_ is now known as ulysses [09:57] Kurdistan: AFAIK it's intended [09:59] Tm_T, did not understand your last comment. [10:00] Kurdistan: as far as I can tell, it's intended that functional check and accompanying options are gone from the configuration UI [10:00] Tm_T, okey then it is not bug then :). [10:00] atleast that's how I recall it was planned [10:01] maybe not they wanted people to not to break there system if they play [10:01] it can easily be config. in kwinrc. but gui is always easiest :). [10:02] functional checks? [10:02] ah, functionality check? [10:02] apachelogger, exactly. :) [10:02] yeah, that was removed === Stecchino_ is now known as Stecchino [10:03] it works or it doesn't :P [10:03] apachelogger, also direct rending option? [10:03] apachelogger, not always true. when I enabled kwin effect to start at boot I can get error message even if effects works. [10:04] Kurdistan: what error message? [10:04] that is a driver bug then and should be fixed there [10:04] direct rendering is always on [10:04] apachelogger, yes it is more driver bug. [10:04] Tm_T, that effects does not work. does I have enabled. [10:05] shadeslayer: stateness in rekonq is wrong [10:05] shadeslayer: the back button only becomes active *after* a new page was loaded [10:06] whereas it should be active after the old page was left (that is immediately after clicking a link for example) [10:07] naturally back then cancels the loading [10:07] and goes back [10:09] Does Aleix visit the channel? [10:09] wanted to ask him about two package I think should be installed by default. One of the package is not in the repo. [10:11] kde-gtk-config is really important if kubuntu wants a serious impression. espacially the lack of gtk integration we are wll aware of with kubuntu. [10:12] Kurdistan: yes, he's apol_ [10:12] he agrees it should be done [10:12] Riddell, :) I am happy. [10:13] Riddell, then I know Kubuntu will rock even more. [10:13] it's not as simple as that, it needs someone to do it [10:14] Riddell, do you mean package? [10:14] packing I mean [10:14] package, test, MIR, QA, CD inclusion and resizing [10:15] package I can help out, but the others I do not know. [10:17] Kurdistan: hi [10:17] i'm aleix [10:18] I have to go now [10:18] if I can help you, don't hesitate to contact me, either here or by e-mail [10:18] Riddell: as I said yesterday, there's someone in debian already packaging this [10:19] can kubuntu use that? how do you guys manage? [10:19] apoi, hi. nice. I really wanted kubuntu to be the best damn kde distro out there. [10:19] apoi, I know chakra/arch use it, also kubuntu based netrunner. [10:20] :) [10:20] well, i have to go [10:20] later! [10:20] http://packages.netrunner-os.com/pool/main/k/kde-gtk-config/ [10:20] apol_: yes we can use debian packages [10:20] but feature freeze is next week [10:21] '.' [10:21] (Dot.) In the default mode, this matches any character except a newline. If the DOTALL flag has been specified, this matches any character including a newline. [10:21] who makes up stuff like that?!?!1 [10:21] Riddell, when I looked to there debian folder directery and wanted to build from source it did not really work. [10:24] kde-config-grub2 is in the repo. it also nice tool have installed by default. [10:24] for me it is more important then cd size to be honest [10:24] every tool that can help user to like kubuntu even more is good [10:26] that needs more QA than we have capacity for [10:26] Riddell, what is QA? [10:27] quality assurance [10:28] or in the other words: test, fix, test, fix, test, fix, test... and then find out there's whole group of cases you cannot test yourselves but have serious problems [10:29] Tm_T, I understand. but if a package is in our repo it should be save [10:29] Kurdistan: every app that do exist on the repositories do help people to like kubuntu even more [10:29] because why then have it in the repo? [10:29] Kurdistan: how does kde-gtk-config store the gtk{2,3} theme config? [10:30] debfx, good to be honest. [10:30] debfx, even libreoffice, pavucontrol and stuff like that looks great now. [10:30] ok :) [10:30] before libreoffice it was hard to read letters [10:30] Kurdistan: but where does it store the config? [10:30] Kurdistan: having in repositories doesn't mean it has gone through proper QA [10:31] we only want to set the gtk theme for kde sessions [10:31] Tm_T, okey. I have used both for weeks without any problem. [10:31] debfx, do you wanted I can take screenshot? [10:31] Kurdistan: good, so that's a start (: [10:32] Tm_T, it have helped people I have helped in swedish ubuntu loco [10:33] Kurdistan: no, I'm interested into which file it writes the gtk config [10:34] kde-gtk-config settings look like this: http://imgur.com/GylUW [10:34] debfx, https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/kde-gtk-config [10:37] ok, so it writes to ~/gtk-3.0/settings.ini [10:38] that approach won't work unless apachelogger proposes a patch for gtk3 so it reads from a different config file [10:39] debfx, are you sure? [10:40] for me it is .gtkrc-2.0/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4 [10:40] does are related to kde-gtk-config [10:40] yeah for gtk2 it isn't a problem [10:41] ~/.config/gtk-3.0 <<--- debfx [10:42] debfx, is there any problem if it is in .config directery? [10:43] Kurdistan: no, but it's a problem that it sets the gtk3 theme for all sessions [10:43] debfx, and it should not? [10:44] I do not se the harm or problem with it [10:44] Kurdistan: it's bad if you use kde and another DE in parallel (xfce, gnome, ...) [10:45] debfx, I okey. I am only using one DE, maybe thats the reason I have not seen any problem with it. [10:48] debfx, how common is it if a person wants to run more then one DE if he/she uses Kubuntu? [10:50] Kurdistan: I don't know but it's something that we have supported so far and I wouldn't want to drop it [10:51] debfx, okey, we other words it will be impossible to get kde-gtk-config installed by default. can we atleast have it the repo? [10:58] debfx: I do not think we should waste time on making 1% get better GTK theming [10:59] apachelogger, then kubuntu should remove libreoffice by default. [10:59] particularly since they will not have it because GTK3 is not particularly cross desktop [10:59] because it looks bad in kubuntu [11:00] I do not see why we should spend time on workaround around GTK dev's inability to consider cross desktop envrionments [11:00] if they do not care, we should not care all that much either TBH [11:00] apachelogger, I understand you, but then again kubuntu suffers if they have gtk stuff installed and it looks bad. [11:01] it is impossible to read letters in libreoffice with kubuntu [11:01] screenshot [11:01] black against black looks ugly [11:01] apachelogger, I have fixed it, so I do not need it. [11:02] I want a screenshot of the issue [11:02] LO looks fine with the default color scheme [11:03] debfx, have your mouse over example "save" and you will notice you can not read save by default in kubuntu. [11:03] it looks bad. [11:04] debfx, I can not take screenshot on that. [11:05] debfx, http://pavel.frimix.se/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Markering_006.png it looks like the dark in that picture on the toolbar. [11:07] that is hardly a reason to remove the one and only office suite?!! [11:08] Kurdistan: works fine for me http://imgbin.org/images/6715.png [11:09] debfx, it is not the text you write that is the main problem. [11:10] have your mouse over toolbar [11:10] over save and you should not be able to read [11:10] install pavucontrol same there [11:12] but you guys decide, I know for sure that this is something that effects a lot of user. [11:12] aha so you are talking about unthemed gtk? [11:12] I am active in support session in loco [11:13] debfx, yes. [11:14] Kurdistan: no one is arguing for having unthemed gtk [11:14] kde-gtk-config fix the problem but again you guys decide. [11:15] I know the problem does not existed in mandriva/pclinuxos [11:15] so they are not effected but kubuntu users are [11:16] it fixes a problem but introduces another so I think we should first try to get xsettings-kde working [11:17] debfx, it there is another fix I am glad. my wish is that it will be fixed. [11:17] what will fix it does not matter for me [11:23] debfx, I hope you are not offended. I only wanted things to just work for user. [11:24] then my work :) with support kubuntu/ubuntu in swedish loco will be easier. [11:25] debfx: with xsettings-kde and the patch from fedore, it doesn't do a thing on my thinkpad(64bit) which might be due to my gtk settings being a mess. On my eeePC (32bit) it crashes at a place where it shouldn't crash (except if it's a thread issue) [11:26] yofel, you mean fedora patches fix it for you? [11:26] no, they break it [11:26] but without them it doesn't do what we want either [11:26] yofel, maybe we should look what mandriva and pclinuxos have done [11:26] Kurdistan: don't worry, I'm not offended :) [11:26] yofel: with the latest xsettigns-kde version? [11:27] yofel, the problem is not presented there. [11:27] with 0.12.3 or whatever latest I could find was [11:28] debfx: package is here if you want to give it a try: https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/ppa/+packages [11:29] again maybe we should look for xsettings-kde with mandriva/pclinuxos. [11:29] if thats the best solution [11:31] yofel: I think you have the old version of the patch [11:32] "fix use-after-free bug in my patch" so that could explain the crashes :) [11:32] talk about me being tired -.- [11:33] I'll fix that up later [11:33] thanks [11:34] debfx, the patch fix the xsetting-kde for you? [11:35] haven't tried yet [11:36] eww that package uses cdbs [11:36] debfx, okey. if it works then we do not need a package outside the repo :). [11:45] we'll still need a MIR for xsettings-kde then [11:55] yofel: I've updated the package: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/xsettings-kde.debdiff [11:55] seems to work fine [12:04] doesn't work on my thinkpad, but as I said, my gtk setup is broken here [12:04] (it uses oxygen-gtk whether I have xsettings running or not) [12:06] yofel: rm ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini doesn't work? [12:07] that's gone already, including any gconf/dconf/gsettings config files that I could fine. Maybe I missed something [12:07] s/fine/find/ [12:07] yofel meant: "that's gone already, including any gconf/dconf/gsettings config files that I could find. Maybe I missed something" [12:09] I'll try this on my eeePC once the package built in my ppa, should work there [12:10] ok, I've filed a MIr for oxygen-gtk3 === apol_ is now known as apol === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [12:58] debfx: if it doesn't get in by early next week we'll need to poke people and worst case pre-promote it === Guest53427 is now known as Mamarok === Mamarok is now known as Guest87201 === Guest87201 is now known as Mamarok [13:13] hiyas all === ts2 is now known as tsimpson [13:53] skaet: I'm off ill and unlikely to make the meeting later [13:55] Riddell: when is the meeting, shall I attend instead or do we have nothing worth mention anyway? === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [14:01] apachelogger: oh the release team meeting? if you can stay online for an hour during it yes that would be good [14:02] it's in two hours (or is it 2.5 hours?) [14:02] mention we haven't done anything much useful, telepathy, rekonq, owncloud, oxygen-gtk3 still to be done before FF [14:02] kk [14:15] can someone pleaes fix bug 810529 before FF [14:15] Launchpad bug 810529 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "[regression] Kubuntu contributors using broken editors" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810529 [14:19] apachelogger, is FF, firefox? === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter === KRF_ is now known as KRF [14:44] Kurdistan: Feature Freeze [14:52] * apachelogger would totally love to have jira as BTS [16:01] apachelogger: release meeting is on. [16:02] debfx: new xsettings-kde works, but only at login. If I want to change the gtk3 theme I need to change it any logout [16:05] *and logout [16:37] yofel: we could restart xsettings-kde in kcm-gtk ;) [16:38] true, that helps.. [16:46] folks, welcome grmls, a future potential iso tester [16:46] hi [16:47] thx for welcome yofel ;) [16:58] hi grmls [16:59] hi BluesKaj [17:01] welcome grmls [17:01] yofel: you better be finishing the gtk3 stuff, otherwise you will have to explain at the next release meeting why we need an ffe for that stuff [17:01] thx apachelogger [17:02] yofel: incidentially enough you will also have to take part for kubuntu :P [17:02] acknowledged [17:05] yofel: I guess we should add a comment to kcm-gtk saying that you need to logout for settings to take effect [17:06] or we actually try to do what you said, but I'll need to read up on how to kill and re-launch a process from Qt then [17:06] worst case logging out kills it anyway [17:07] * yofel looks at marble patches on packagers [17:40] yofel: xsettings-kde reloads its config when it receives an kipc x11 event [17:40] which is apparently the way settings changes were communicated in kde3 [17:44] yofel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/kcm-gtk-kipc.debdiff [17:44] seems to work fine for me [17:45] reading [17:46] that's it? :O [17:46] * yofel tries [17:49] good old kde3 technology ;) [17:49] hehe [18:02] * apachelogger is totally looking forward to 2012, when we will switch to wayland [18:04] debfx: shipit (kcm-gtk and xsettings-kde) [18:06] apachelogger: does it already make coffee for me? [18:08] hm [18:08] just wondering: could we put a checkbox in ubiquity below the propiertary one that installs our -extra packages that don't fit on the CD? [18:23] rekonq is constantly refreshing on my setup , it wont hold a zoom that i need for reading fonts on this large monitor [18:28] yofel: we should add a kconf update script to remove ~/.kde/env/gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh [18:29] does it matter? it's not like it breaks anything. But we can drop the copy command for it from startkde at least [18:30] ah, and we need to add an explicit "gtk-theme-name=oxygen-gtk" to the default gtkrc [18:33] hm yeah, I guess it doesn't hurt setting the GTKRC variable [18:34] debfx: ideally xsettings-kde should read $GTK2_RC_FILE anyway, but I don't feel like messing with that even more [18:39] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-default-settings] Philip Muškovac * 467 * (debian/changelog usr-share/dot-gtkrc-2.0-kde4) set gtk-theme-name in dot-gtkrc-2.0-kde4 so xsettings-kde picks it up [18:41] how do we currently set oxygen as the default theme? [18:41] startkde copies the initial rc file from kubuntu-default-settings if it's not there [18:42] hm, which means for update we would need a script that makes sure gtk-theme-name= is in there [18:42] yeah but that doesn't actually set the theme name? [18:42] *updates [18:42] well, the default file has: [18:42] include "/usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" [18:44] aha, I guess 'engine "oxygen-gtk"' does that [19:01] debfx: bug 851953 [19:01] Launchpad bug 851953 in plasma-widget-menubar (Ubuntu) "Rebuild for transition away from desktop file stripping" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851953 [19:01] ScottK: can haz jira for bts? :( [19:04] apachelogger: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=293264 [19:04] KDE bug 293264 in widget-misc "plasma-widget-menubar menus not visible since 02-03 updates" [Normal,Resolved: downstream] [19:04] is it solve ? [19:04] dunno [19:04] apachelogger: what about that bug? [19:04] debfx: can we close them rubbish as all should be rebuilt for sure [19:05] also you should answer that question in the last comment or something [19:05] im having the same issue with the bug .. [19:05] ejat: on 11.10? [19:05] 12.04 [19:06] * apachelogger is not on 12.04 [19:06] :( [19:06] works for me on 11.10 [19:06] I guess that something in the dbusmenu stuff changed [19:06] ejat: agateau is the guy to talk to [19:06] * ejat ping agateau [19:06] currently we remove gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh when k-d-s is missing, as that's obsolete now, should we remove the rc file itself? [19:06] or make xsettings-kde use the env var after all [19:07] apachelogger: I doubt all those packages have been rebuilt and we still need to figure out how to translate desktop files for projects that don't use the KDE i18n infrastructure [19:07] yofel: I've uploaded xsettings-kde, could you file the MIR? [19:07] sure [19:08] debfx: so we should probably get cracking? [19:08] we = you [19:15] apachelogger: first we need to check what happens to launchpad translations once our packages are demoted [19:32] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 610 * debian/ (changelog patches/kubuntu_gtk2_engines_oxygen_config.diff) (log message trimmed) [19:32] * kubuntu_gtk2_engines_oxygen_config.diff: - set gtk-theme-name to the current [19:32] value if it's missing in gtkrc-2.0-kde4 - remove gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh on [19:32] someone review that ^ [19:36] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-default-settings] Philip Muškovac * 468 * (usr-share/gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh debian/changelog) * Drop gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh, not needed anymore === maco2 is now known as maco [19:38] yofel: you can simplify it a bit with: if grep -q gtk-theme-name $HOME/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4; then [19:38] instead of if [ -z "`grep gtk-theme-name ... [19:38] ah, thanks, didn't know about -q [19:40] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 611 * debian/patches/kubuntu_gtk2_engines_oxygen_config.diff use a simplier grep query [19:41] the gtk-theme-name setting could break for custom gtkrc files (e.g. multiple include statements) [19:42] maybe we should just check if "/usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" is included and then set the theme to oxygen-gtk [19:44] hm, should one include more than one gtkrc? [19:44] but agreed that the check is too lax [19:47] no, but you can write whatever you want to that file [19:48] hrm, are we aware that Libre office only shows a generic icon in the taskbar in precise? [19:48] debfx: how about this? looks ugly but works for me: [19:48] echo "\ngtk-theme-name=\"`grep \"include \\\"/usr/share/themes/.*/gtk-2.0/gtkrc\\\"\" $HOME/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4 | c ut -d/ -f5`\"" >> $HOME/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4 [19:48] (ie. the X with the yellow/orange circle) [19:49] the .* is lax too though :/ [19:50] apachelogger: No jira for U. [19:50] splitting that up into multiple lines might be a good idea :) [19:50] heh [19:50] and the amount of character escaping is scary ^^ [19:51] you could use [^/]+ instead of .* [19:52] now: http://paste.kde.org/263312 [19:52] (untested) [19:56] the [^/]+ needs egrep [20:00] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 612 * debian/patches/kubuntu_gtk2_engines_oxygen_config.diff tighten the check on the gtkrc include === fenris_ is now known as Guest28407 === Guest28407 is now known as ejat [20:25] MIR filed for xsettings-kde [20:46] ScottK: ping [20:46] Darkwing: pong [21:21] guy, is anybody alowed to write to kubuntu-devel mailing list? [21:21] *guys [21:21] i mean can i (user) write to kubuntu-devel mailing list? [21:27] schnelle: yes, if it's about kubuntu development [21:28] and if you're subscribed [21:31] Riddell: ok thanks. I will write and explain everything. It is about this bug (look at my last comment) : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/911733 [21:31] Ubuntu bug 911733 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Patch Qt to fix annoying KDE bug 275469 (ghost taskbar entries)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [21:33] Riddell: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=293264 [21:34] KDE bug 293264 in widget-misc "plasma-widget-menubar menus not visible since 02-03 updates" [Normal,Resolved: downstream] [21:34] resolved downstream mean in ubuntu ? [21:34] sorry kubuntu? [21:44] ejat: downstream means us, right [21:45] except that those packages are from gnumdk? [21:45] so its fixed? [21:46] no idea? [21:46] I don't use it [21:47] ejat: the packages in the bug aren't from us though [21:48] 4.8.0b-11.10ubuntu1~gnumdk10 != 4:4.8.0b-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1 [21:48] btw .. yofel r u in precise or still oneiric ? [21:49] right now I'm on precise [21:49] * ejat just want to know .. if i opening quassel for example .. there is no menu bar ? [21:49] but some other apps got it .. [21:49] my menu bar is there. in *quassel* [21:50] like kontact .. [21:50] I don't use that widget [21:50] is it install by default ? [21:50] since i remember .. i didnt install that widget .. so to so call "resolved" it .. by removing the widget ? [21:51] I think it is [21:51] owh ok .. will try it shortly since i just logout and now in unity .. [21:51] but .. if by installing that widget .. to triger the menu bar is by using krunner? [21:52] * ejat ping agateau [22:37] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 613 * debian/patches/kubuntu_gtk2_engines_oxygen_config.diff the check needs to be inverted here === cmagina_ is now known as cmagina