[00:02] <blair> somethings change recently in precise, within the last few days my precise VMs have had all sorts of graphic artifacts
[00:03] <urlin2u> blair, do you have backups of the working OS, this is a development, using a virtual may be your problem hard to say.
[00:04] <blair> i'm just doing dev work, not production, in the VM, so i don't need to restore or downgrade
[00:05] <blair> i'm seeing this in two different host OSes, oneric and fedora 13
[00:05] <blair> using VirtualBox
[00:07] <dr3mro> hello sorry for my bad english .. i am using the live daily ubunu 12.04 image and it's very fast and stable for me but i  noticed that all tooltips of unity 3d icons have a vertical extra line on the left of the first letter and the word "Unity desktop" when idle and also any application name when i open any application have an extra 1 pixel vertivcal line on the left of the first letter is this a known bug , sorry i couldn't get a screen shot
[01:13] <kklimonda> is it safe to upgrade libc6 now that the 2.15-0ubuntu2 version has been released?
[01:20] <Daekdroom> kklimonda, I've read that it breaks the nvidia driver
[01:21] <kklimonda> that's why I'm asking if someone can confirm that the recent eglibc update has fixed it as suggested in the bug report
[01:38] <Will123456> hey guys. is there any OSX versions/autosave-like functionality being worked on for linux? where could i find it if so?
[01:39] <bazhang> like time machine?
[01:39] <bazhang> creating a restore point a la windows?
[01:39] <Will123456> bazhang: no, i don't think so
[01:39] <bazhang> autosave of what
[01:39] <Will123456> bazhang: it seems to be more for specific documents or work, on an edit by edit basis
[01:40] <kklimonda> autosave to be usable requires some sort of snapshotting imo
[01:41] <Will123456> kklimonda: do you mean snapshotting on the file system level, or?
[01:41] <kklimonda> yeah
[01:42] <kklimonda> it's the cleanest solution imo
[01:43] <kklimonda> opensuse folks have created a tool for btrfs that does file level snapshots (it's called.. snapper)
[01:43] <Will123456> kklimonda: i think it's more complicated than that. it'd be the easiest way to get it working for all applications, but you can imagine some sort of tricky file format or strange way of managing files that makes versioning easy from the perspective of that specific program, but wasteful or confusing from the file system perspective
[01:43] <Will123456> i think OS X requires applications to specifically support the feature
[01:44] <kklimonda> Will123456: btrfs does block level snapshotting afair so it shouldn't be that wastful unless application developers were on crack when designing file format
[01:45] <kklimonda> obviously that still requires all applications to present users with a meaningful UI to browse through file history (or even multiple file history when applicable)
[01:45] <kklimonda> what I'm saying is that I'd hate to do what Apple did with time machine (at least at start, don't know how it works now) - a bunch of hard links (plus a hack to allow hardlinking directories)
[01:46] <Will123456> kklimonda: fair enough, and you may be right regarding the crack and the developers. :P
[01:47] <Will123456> it does seem like the kind of thing that would require at least a bit of application support - such as the UI you mentioned. because there would be some files it would definitely not be appropriate to let the user roll back to
[01:47] <Will123456> and other situations where files perhaps should be linked in their versions in an application specific way?
[01:47] <bazhang> so just as I described, then
[01:47] <Will123456> i can't seem to think of any examples off the top of my head
[01:48] <bazhang> qo_op, bad connection?
[01:48] <kklimonda> "open file revision X in application Y"?
[01:48] <kklimonda> dunno, btrfs allows access to all snapshots
[01:49] <Will123456> what about 'projects' or collations of files?
[01:50] <kklimonda> well, they are the same from the perspective of file system, you just snapshot a bunch of files. Then you have to create UI for application to allow using those snapshots
[01:51] <kklimonda> (so the building blocks should be there, and opensuse folks have already created prototype that proves it to work - we "just" have to write good high-level libraries to and good UI design for developers to implement them in their applications ;)
[01:51] <Will123456> how does snapshotting handle if a file is then deleted? the snapshot retains the full file, right?
[01:52] <kklimonda> yes
[01:53] <Will123456> i'm trying to think about how difficult it would be to integrate such a feature into something like openshot. relatively complex 'project' file and multi gigabyte supporting files
[01:53] <codepal> I desperately need my serial Intous2 12x18 wacom tablet to work in Precise....
[01:54] <codepal> could I sponsor a programmer to get it working?
[01:54] <kklimonda> heh, I was just going to joke about how much is desperately in USD ;)
[01:54] <kklimonda> damn
[01:55] <kklimonda> codepal: did it work in oneiric?
[01:55] <codepal> nope, in fact it broke in 10.04 - with an upgrade of xorg
[01:56] <Will123456> kklimonda: i'm conscious of talking over someone asking for help, but would a renaming or moving a snapshotted file cause a 'duplication' of data?
[01:56] <codepal> but I *need* my wacom to show up in that awesome new wacom utility designed for gnome3!!
[01:56] <kklimonda> Will123456: btrfs is copy-on-write so copying files don't really copy anything until you start modyfying them
[01:59] <kklimonda> codepal: I'd try asking upstream for help (fixing hardware bugs when you don't have hardware is problematic)
[02:00] <kklimonda> codepal: there is a bug report about Intuos2 tablets not working in 10.04 when plugged after booting up
[02:08] <Will123456> kklimonda: thanks for clearing things up :) i have to go to sleep now! take care
[02:45] <bjsnider> it used to be that the wacom driver would take down xorg if you plugged it in after already loading the desktop, but recent kernels have resolved that issue
[02:45] <bjsnider> so now it's hot pluggable
[02:52] <joosengee> anyone have the problem about write the file into external harddisk.
[02:52] <joosengee> ubuntu 11.10 had show only that read-only mode.
[02:53] <joosengee> I can't delete or create the files in that external harddisk.
[02:53] <joosengee> I just found this problem.
[02:53] <holstein> joosengee: maybe in ntfs
[02:54] <holstein> AFAIK, thats not a bug
[02:54] <joosengee> yesh
[02:54] <joosengee> it's on the ntfs format about the external Hard disk.
[02:55] <joosengee> but in the ubuntu 12.04 alpha2 , it can delete or save files.
[02:55] <holstein> joosengee: it *cant* you mean?
[02:55] <joosengee> The way to solve this is, I will move to use the ubuntu 12.04 or not.
[02:55] <holstein> you should moung and chown and it will
[02:56] <holstein> joosengee: but as far as i know, this is common
[02:56] <joosengee> How's about to mount and chown.
[02:56] <holstein> that is what i have experienced
[02:56] <holstein> ntfs partitions are mounted read only
[02:56] <joosengee> the syntax of command.
[02:56] <joosengee> please help me.
[02:56] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions#NTFS_Partitions
[02:58] <joosengee> it's so long time to open this link.
[02:58] <joosengee> now, it show the white board.
[02:58] <joosengee> Don't have any data.
[02:59] <bazhang> sure it does. the link works fine
[02:59] <holstein> joosengee: it?
[02:59] <joosengee> Use the long time .
[02:59] <holstein> the link you mean?
[02:59] <joosengee> Can you tell me the syntax and command for me?
[03:00] <holstein> joosengee: you can probably run man
[03:00] <holstein> i usually google for the commands, though its likely just
[03:00] <holstein> mount /path/to/partition
[03:01] <joosengee> the syntax that you use it freqencely.
[03:01] <holstein> mount /path/to/partition  where/you/want/it
[03:01] <joosengee> example of media.
[03:01] <holstein> joosengee: nah. you sould read... i dont know your file system
[03:01] <holstein> just know that its *nt* a bug, and you *can* mount it read and write
[03:01] <joosengee> ntfs
[03:02] <holstein> how about this one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[03:07] <joosengee> I will test it.
[03:07] <joosengee> how 's about ubuntu 12.04
[03:07] <joosengee> It's ok now or not.
[03:07] <holstein> joosengee: if you are asking "will running 12.04 fix this", 12.04 is in testing, and you should not use it
[03:08] <holstein> that is not a broken feature though, and you can get support int #ubuntu :)
[03:08] <holstein> in*
[03:08] <joosengee> ok. I will move it to 11.10 now.
[03:08] <joosengee> bye
[04:14] <joosengee> Thank you so much
[04:15] <joosengee> Now, I can access and delete, save into the external hard disk.
[04:15] <joosengee> I use the command that "apt-get install ntfs-config"
[04:16] <holstein> yup... not a bug joosengee
[04:16] <joosengee> I'm so happy.
[04:16] <joosengee> Thank you so much.
[04:25] <joosengee> This room , I can talk about ubuntu server also.
[04:25] <bazhang> joosengee, #ubuntu-server
[04:28] <holstein> joosengee: this channel is actually exclusively for the upcoming 12.04 release
[04:35] <joosengee> In the future, ubuntu is free or commercial to paid.
[04:36] <holstein> joosengee: is that a question? .. this channel is *only* for 12.04... if you want to find about more about how freee ubuntu is, please /joine #ubuntu :)
[04:38] <EvilResistance> you mean /join #ubuntu
[04:38] <EvilResistance> :P
[04:39] <holstein> EvilResistance: o/
[05:46] <Fudge> anyone in here well versed on fglrx, when i have it installed and open something in totem movie player my desktop stops responding card is ATI  AMD Radeon HD 6000 series
[05:54] <crizzy_> i'm using fglrx with hd6870
[05:54] <crizzy_> updated to latest 12.1 catalyst though.. no probs
[06:16] <Fudge> crizzy_  whats 12.1 catylist
[06:16] <Fudge> catylyst
[06:16] <crizzy_> aka latest fglrx drivers from ati
[06:18] <Fudge> oh
[06:26] <crizzy_> damn percise, removed software center + ubuntu-desktop metapackage on update.. =P
[06:29] <kklimonda> well, don't run partial upgrades ;)
[06:30] <crizzy_> well the fun part was that i think software center committed suicide because it realized apt-get is better.. =P
[06:32] <crizzy_> aaand it's finally nice to have a laptop which has everything working in linux... !
[07:49] <Kevin`> what service in ubuntu is responsible for the gui
[07:50] <Kevin`> you know, the thing that displays the login screen, like xdm, only apparently not
[13:13] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:37] <zzecool> I cant believe that they decide to remove the "Dodge Active Window"  Behavior of the unity launcher..........
[13:42] <rye> Hello, has anybody used shotwell lately with Precise? It seems to flicker a lot on my hardware and it is the only application that I found doing this
[13:43] <zzecool> rye: i can help oyu
[13:43] <zzecool> tell me what you do
[13:43] <zzecool> so i can try on my machine
[13:44] <rye> zzecool, just open any photo from the library
[13:44] <zzecool> rye: i just did
[13:44] <zzecool> its rock solid
[13:45] <zzecool> what kind of Monitor are your using ?
[13:45] <zzecool> is it a Tft - lcd monitor?
[13:45] <rye> zzecool, let me upload video, with the flicker - the display is built-in LVDS on an Intel HD 3000, Unity3D
[13:46] <rye> zzecool, yes, that's a tft monitor
[13:47] <zzecool> tft monitors dont flicker because of refresh rate
[13:47] <zzecool> so this is not your problem
[13:47] <zzecool> prolly the vga driver
[13:47] <zzecool> upload the vid
[13:47] <zzecool> im curious
[13:47] <rye> zzecool, the thing is that only the image within shotwell image panel is flickering, not shotwel window
[13:48] <rye> as if it draws the image, then drops the view and redraws again
[13:48] <zzecool> i s
[13:48] <zzecool> probably the shotwell  renders form image to texture or something like this
[13:49] <zzecool> and there may be a bug within shotwell or the the vga driver
[13:49] <zzecool> im waiting for the video so we can continue
[13:49] <zzecool> :)
[13:50] <rye> yeah, it would take a while since gtk-recordmydesktop produces a weirdly encoded videos now, will get back here once I have a nicely looking video, thanks!
[13:50] <zzecool> hehe
[13:50] <zzecool> you can try kazam  ;p
[13:50] <zzecool> recordmydesktop is quite good too
[13:51] <zzecool> Gnome shells build in video recorde is unbeatable though
[13:51] <zzecool> ;p
[13:55] <rye> eh, kazam does not get enough framerate and I am resisting making a video with the camera :)
[13:57] <zzecool> try 10 or 15 fps in kazam
[13:57] <zzecool> its a trick
[13:58] <zzecool> if you try 30 or more you gonna fail and video will look like 5 fps or less
[13:58] <zzecool> :D
[13:59] <zzecool> I will let you live if it is a Canon if you are nikonist YOU DONT HAVE A CHANCE !!!
[13:59] <zzecool> j/k  =)
[14:01] <jo-erlend> I've noticed that more controls have gotten lighter backgrounds. Is this just temporary? I didn't hear any news about a switch in themes.
[14:05] <zzecool> jo-erlend: example ?
[14:06] <jo-erlend> zzecool,  menus are almost white, for instance.
[14:06] <zzecool> what gtk theme ?
[14:08] <zzecool> jo-erlend: ?
[14:09] <jo-erlend> ambience.
[14:09] <jo-erlend> ambiance.
[14:11] <zzecool> ok
[14:13] <rye> jo-erlend, i recall that was a bug with gtk undergoing some changes and light-themes were not updated
[14:13] <rye> i.e. light-themes are not completely up-to-date with gtk
[14:14] <jo-erlend> this is the default theme. I haven't done anything. The menus that used to be dark, are now light.
[14:14] <Fudge> didnt they just get pushed to archives today
[14:14] <zzecool> i got a light-themes update
[14:14] <zzecool> in the last updates
[14:14] <zzecool> this morning some hours before
[14:14] <zzecool> but i cant see any difference
[14:15] <zzecool> because i use adwaita as default
[14:15] <zzecool> which is a lot more on the white side
[14:15] <zzecool> ;/
[14:15] <zzecool> jo-erlend: let me open the virtual machine and see ubuntu in earlier stage
[14:15] <rye> finally, got it
[14:15] <zzecool> ill brb
[14:16] <zzecool> rye: ?  :)
[14:16] <zzecool> the video ?
[14:16] <rye> zzecool, kazam captured the blinking
[14:16] <zzecool> :)
[14:17] <rye> http://files.lappyfamily.net/Video/Blinking%20Shotwell.webm
[14:17] <rye> 10Mb
[14:18] <zzecool> ok
[14:18] <zzecool> oh i see
[14:18] <zzecool> let me check mine again
[14:19] <zzecool> :)
[14:19] <rye> checking on older intel hw now
[14:19] <zzecool> i though you was meaning a constant flicker like the old low Hz monitors
[14:19] <zzecool> this is somehow a flash
[14:19] <zzecool> only while loading the photo
[14:19] <zzecool> and stops
[14:21] <zzecool> rye: im not having this problem
[14:21] <zzecool> im on nvidia vga though
[14:22] <zzecool> you can file a bug
[14:22] <zzecool> its easy i can help you with the walkthrough
[14:22] <zzecool> :)
[14:23] <rye> zzecool, thanks, just found that unity 3d on an older hw which used to have awesome performance is also flickering like strobe light now
[14:23] <rye> something changed
[14:23] <zzecool> hmm
[14:23] <rye> unity2d as well
[14:24] <zzecool> :O ;/
[14:24] <rye> i guess this means that i'll go pay yorba trac a visit
[14:24] <zzecool> so its a Driver  - lib problem
[14:24] <zzecool> lol what is yorba trac ?
[14:24] <rye> zzecool, yorba company is the developer of shotwell, trac is their installation of bugreporting something
[14:25] <rye> www.yorba.org -
[14:25] <rye> zzecool, so on nvidia/precise this is not happening for you, right?
[14:25] <zzecool> whats the reason ? if it happens in unity 3d and unity 2d as well
[14:25] <zzecool> ?
[14:25] <zzecool> no its not happening
[14:25] <rye> zzecool, what's the version of shotwell package?
[14:25] <zzecool> sec
[14:26] <zzecool> 0.11.91-0ubuntu2
[14:27] <rye> so i have the same
[14:29] <rye> Adam already knows about it - http://redmine.yorba.org/issues/4716
[16:18] <popey> bah at libwebkitgtk
[16:22] <Ampelbein> Yeah, 5++ hour long builds + out-of-memory issue on i386 buildd == much pain for updating.
[16:34] <popey> Ampelbein: yeah ☹
[16:34] <popey> wonder if i can build it locally in a pbuilder
[16:37] <kklimonda> hey, are the changes made to the ambiance theme (light context menus) intentional?
[16:37] <Ampelbein> popey: Well, it should be fixed by the current retry, as far as I understood it runs on a more powerful machine now. So it's just a matter of 2-3 hours
[16:40] <popey> kklimonda: i have been wondering that, i think not, because i logged out / in and they were 'fixed'
[16:40] <popey> looks like a bug
[16:40] <kklimonda> hmm, I actually like it this way ;)
[16:47] <popey> does anyone else have a problem with the mouse wheel scrolling too far sometimes?
[18:54] <Debolaz> Will 12.04 support full disk encryption with BTRFS?
[18:54] <pangolin> I don't believe so
[18:55] <pangolin> is BTRFS even close to ready for the masses
[18:55] <Debolaz> BTRFS works just fine normally.
[18:56] <Debolaz> In Ubuntu I mean.
[18:57] <om26er> yeah but its slow
[18:57] <Debolaz> But it needs a few fixes for Ubuntu to boot properly in full disk encryption. This used to work until the current version of Ubuntu was released though.
[18:57] <Debolaz> So technically, BTRFS not working under FDE is a regression.
[18:57] <Debolaz> But I haven't seen any plans to fix it.
[18:57] <Debolaz> om26er: When you use FDE, speed isn't your primary concern anyway. :)
[19:02] <Debolaz> In any case, it's not a must-have thing for me. I was just curious because it was nifty having it. :)
[20:43] <gnomefreak> anyone else have a broken unity?
[20:44] <gnomefreak> broken == things crashing/only background image visable/no menus no nothing
[20:48] <Ampelbein> gnomefreak: Do you use the nvidia binary driver? Is your eglibc package versioned 2.15-0ubuntu2?
[20:48] <gnomefreak> Ampelbein: no ati
[20:48] <gnomefreak> dont off hand know the driver but6 it should be derfault
[20:49] <gnomefreak> unity is crashing well unity-support and a couple others so im gonna say unity is the problem
[20:50] <Ampelbein> gnomefreak: There was an issue with the nvidia drivers, apparently it was enough for the libraries to be installed to cause mayhem, bug 929384. Can you confirm you have the newest eglibc package? (apt-cache policy eglibc)
[20:50]  * gnomefreak still cant figure out why ati ussers have to have nvidia-current installed by default
[20:50] <Ampelbein> gnomefreak: erm, apt-cache policy libc6 of course
[20:51] <gnomefreak> i dont have the package
[20:51] <gnomefreak> its not nvidia problem here since i dont use it
[20:52] <gnomefreak> as for looking at the bug i cant atm
[20:52] <yofel> not nvidia-current bug nvidia-common
[20:52] <yofel> *but
[20:52] <gnomefreak> yofel: yes either way it doesnt belong :)
[20:52] <Ampelbein> gnomefreak: You don't have libc6 installed?
[20:52] <yofel> and nvidia-common has some checks for the GPUs used by ubiquity
[20:53] <gnomefreak> Ampelbein: it is mandatory to have libc6
[20:53] <gnomefreak> without it system wont run
[20:53] <Ampelbein> [21:51] <gnomefreak> i dont have the package.
[20:53] <gnomefreak> you dont have libc6?
[20:54] <gnomefreak> oh i dont have eglibc
[20:54] <Ampelbein> gnomefreak: Yeah, I corrected myself, see the next thing I said. That's why I was confused.,
[20:54] <gnomefreak> it was unable to locate package == needs a different name
[20:55] <gnomefreak> Ampelbein: that is the last thing you said, only other thing was buyg #
[20:55] <gnomefreak> oh i see it
[20:55] <gnomefreak> yes i have libc6
[20:55] <Ampelbein> ...
[20:55] <Ampelbein> And what version do you have?
[20:56] <gnomefreak> 2.15-0ubuntu2 is version
[20:56] <Ampelbein> gnomefreak: ok, and did you reboot after upgrading to that version?
[20:57] <gnomefreak> when was the update released?
[20:57] <gnomefreak> i did updates but i dont recall libc6 being updated but ill try to restart anyway. brb
[21:04] <gnomefreak> ok part of unity is fixed thanks
[21:04] <gnomefreak> now just crashes are back
[21:10] <gnomefreak> i hate broken websites alot
[21:10] <arno_____> hi
[21:11] <gnomefreak> hi
[21:11] <arno_____> i try to add all package of ubuntustudio on the 12.04
[21:12] <arno_____> or other package music of other distro with it
[21:12] <gnomefreak> arno_____: install ubuntustudio-desktop  it should bring everything in
[21:12] <arno_____> thx
[22:32] <blair> apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove "apturl gir1.2-webkit-3.0 nautilus-share rhythmbox-plugins software-center", is this expected?
[22:32] <urlin2u> you see any reinstalls of these in te list?
[22:33] <urlin2u> the
[22:34] <blair> no
[22:35] <blair> http://pastebin.com/y2K83aG6
[22:38] <urlin2u> blair, if you run the update manager do you get a partial upgrade warning?
[22:39] <blair> urlin2u, yes
[22:40] <urlin2u> blair, I would wait then till it doesn't is the general advice given, may be that all needed packages have been synced in the mirrors.
[22:40] <urlin2u> have not *
[22:41] <blair> it's been saying this since yesterday
[22:41] <urlin2u> blair, you have an image of the working OS?
[22:41] <blair> its a VirtualBox image
[22:42] <urlin2u> blair, even better you can copy and paste the working one into another file. This sometimes happens it is a development, it might upgrade and be fine I wouldn't risk it though without a image though.
[22:44] <blair> i'll try that
[22:48] <Z_God> hey
[22:48] <Z_God> does anyone know when ia32-libs will be working again in precise? :))
[22:52] <jtaylor> is that still in precise? :O
[22:52] <jtaylor> I would have though its obsolete by now
[22:53] <yofel> I would believe some 3rd party stuff probably needs it, and yes, it's still in precise - doesn't work though
[22:55] <jtaylor> what remains in it that can'T be multiarched?
[22:56] <jtaylor> or is it more a problem of packages depending on it that aren'T updated yet?
[23:33] <Z_God> jtaylor: yes it's the deps
[23:34] <Z_God> it depends on all kinds of :i386 packages that cannot be installed
[23:38] <Daekdroom> jtaylor, I think ia32-libs is a dummy package for compatibility purposes.
[23:38] <Z_God> it seems to be depended on by programs like wine
[23:38] <Z_God> and it itself depends on a whole bunch of 32-bit packages
[23:39] <Z_God> so that when you install wine, it'll have all it's 32-bit libs
[23:39] <Daekdroom> !find ia32-libs
[23:39] <Daekdroom> !info ia32-libs-multiarch
[23:39] <Daekdroom> !info ia32-libs
[23:41] <Z_God> Daekdroom: it shows up here ...
[23:41] <Z_God> I'm on precise
[23:41] <Daekdroom> It shows up over here too
[23:42] <Z_God> I can't install wine now
[23:42] <Z_God> because it seems libogg0 i386 and amd64 conflict
[23:42] <Z_God> and maybe a few more
[23:43] <Daekdroom> "This is a transitional package depending on ia32-libs-multiarch, an i386-only metapackage that depends on all of the libraries that were previously included in this package.  If no other packages are installed that depend on this package, it can be safely removed."
[23:43] <Z_God> yeah ia32-libs-multiarch depends on all the libs
[23:43] <Z_God> but it doesn't install either
[23:43] <Daekdroom> So ia32-libs is pretty much empty now.
[23:43] <tsimpson> the bot runs on amd64, so some i386-only packages won't show up in !info
[23:44] <Z_God> this would be an amd64-only package though
[23:47] <tsimpson> hmm, I forget if I hacked it to be 386 only
[23:48] <Z_God> I wonder if I should report such issues somewhere
[23:48] <Z_God> or whether they are known
[23:48] <tsimpson> ah, it is 386, so no amd64 only packages
[23:49] <tsimpson> or, any non-386 package really
[23:49] <Z_God> there are also still a few issues in KDE 4.8
[23:49] <Z_God> ok
[23:49] <Z_God> it should be ok for most cases, there are more packages in i386 than amd64 as far as I know
[23:50] <Daekdroom> Mostly because of -data packages and similars
[23:50] <Daekdroom> (that are used across all archs)
[23:51] <Z_God> what do you mean?
[23:51] <Daekdroom> !info light-themes
[23:52] <Daekdroom> Hm. It doesn't show there, but in launchpad, it only builds for i386
[23:52] <Z_God> yeah, also zsnes never had an amd64 version
[23:52] <Z_God> only i386
[23:52] <Z_God> in ubuntu at least
[23:53] <tsimpson> Daekdroom: "all" is not "i386"
[23:53] <Daekdroom> tsimpson, they're treated differently?
[23:54] <tsimpson> well, all means "this package is not tied to an architecture", so it works on all
[23:54] <tsimpson> i386 is _only_ i386