| === ashams_ is now known as ashams | ||
| ashams | thelinuxer, dude, we need them to agree on membership method before talking about procedures, right? | 14:34 |
|---|---|---|
| ashams | :D | 14:34 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: methods and procedures are synonyms :D | 14:47 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: you can add any subtopics you see appropriate to clarify it .. | 14:52 |
| thelinuxer | hi mgamal | 14:57 |
| thelinuxer | :) | 14:57 |
| mgamal | hi | 14:57 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, I meant the whole *membership* idea aslan :D | 14:58 |
| ashams | mgamal, hiiiiiiiiiiii | 14:58 |
| mgamal | hi guys | 14:58 |
| ashams | mgamal, hi :) | 14:58 |
| mgamal | hi ashams | 14:59 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, hi | 14:59 |
| ashams | mgamal, hi | 14:59 |
| mgamal | hi | 14:59 |
| ashams | hell, hi | 14:59 |
| ashams | stop saying hi, so I won't reply hi | 14:59 |
| ashams | :P | 14:59 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: this was the main idea behind having a non-elected council! | 14:59 |
| thelinuxer | to put some standards and start accepting members | 15:00 |
| thelinuxer | who will have voting rights | 15:00 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, man, I can't understand you these days :P | 15:00 |
| thelinuxer | y r we talking in loops ?! we have been having this conversation for almost a year now! | 15:00 |
| thelinuxer | a year a whole year!!!! | 15:01 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, hi | 15:01 |
| ashams | meetingology, hi | 15:01 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: i won't hi u back :P | 15:01 |
| meetingology | ashams: Error: "hi" is not a valid command. | 15:01 |
| thelinuxer | lol | 15:01 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, lol | 15:01 |
| ashams | hahahahaha | 15:01 |
| thelinuxer | i will jon an wazery | 15:01 |
| thelinuxer | will call* | 15:02 |
| ashams | Y? | 15:02 |
| thelinuxer | shouldn't they be here by now ? | 15:02 |
| ashams | ba7eb a3mel feha 3abeeet awiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :P | 15:02 |
| thelinuxer | wazery has ubuntu related problems :D he should be here in 2 mins | 15:03 |
| thelinuxer | jonathan should be here in 5 | 15:04 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: y don't u familiarize yourself with meetingology since u gonna be the meeting chair | 15:04 |
| mgamal | how does it work? | 15:04 |
| ashams | 5 points, maybe mins, maybe hours, maybe days, maybe weeks, maybe years | 15:04 |
| thelinuxer | just send it msgs | 15:04 |
| thelinuxer | for instance i will try to make u chair | 15:05 |
| thelinuxer | meetingology: #chair mgamal | 15:05 |
| meetingology | thelinuxer: Error: "#chair" is not a valid command. | 15:05 |
| ashams | non, he should startmeeting by himself | 15:05 |
| thelinuxer | there is a chair command! | 15:05 |
| thelinuxer | i saw it in the wiki page! | 15:06 |
| thelinuxer | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 15:06 |
| ashams | I assume it's to chane or set chair | 15:06 |
| ashams | after starting meeting | 15:06 |
| thelinuxer | mashy | 15:07 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: you should use "startmeeting" when the time comes :D | 15:07 |
| thelinuxer | then "topic" and "subtopic" ..etc | 15:07 |
| jonathanhindi | I am here now | 15:07 |
| jonathanhindi | sorry for being late | 15:07 |
| mgamal | waiting for wazery | 15:07 |
| thelinuxer | wazery should be here sooon | 15:07 |
| jonathanhindi | Can you send me the agenda ? | 15:08 |
| thelinuxer | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10 | 15:08 |
| ashams | jonathanhindi, hi (he don't know what I'm going to do next) | 15:08 |
| thelinuxer | lool | 15:09 |
| mgamal | ashams, can u handle all those meetingology stuff? | 15:09 |
| jonathanhindi | ashams: 7asies bi ma2lab gai :D | 15:09 |
| ashams | mgamal, noooooooooo | 15:09 |
| ashams | jonathanhindi, hi | 15:09 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: just logistical stuff ... we would only need a link to the meetingology minutes page | 15:09 |
| thelinuxer | no need for "present" section ..etc | 15:09 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: we will all learn together :D | 15:10 |
| ashams | ok, I think we should forget about that bot this time | 15:10 |
| ashams | ok, let's learn | 15:10 |
| jonathanhindi | why i feel that i am not understanding anything now ! | 15:10 |
| ashams | coz you didn't reply the hi | 15:10 |
| thelinuxer | jonathanhindi: we have a meeting bot | 15:10 |
| mgamal | jonathanhindi: lighten up, we haven't started yet | 15:10 |
| ashams | reply and I'll tell you :P | 15:10 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: lol stop it | 15:10 |
| jonathanhindi | hi | 15:10 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, ok, mr op :( | 15:11 |
| thelinuxer | jonathanhindi: hi | 15:11 |
| ashams | yyyaaaaay | 15:11 |
| ashams | jonathanhindi, hi | 15:11 |
| jonathanhindi | ashams: hi | 15:11 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: hi | 15:11 |
| ashams | oh nooooooooooo | 15:11 |
| ashams | jonathanhindi, thelinuxer hi | 15:11 |
| thelinuxer | thelinuxer: hi :P | 15:11 |
| jonathanhindi | ana zh2t :D | 15:11 |
| ashams | hahaha | 15:11 |
| thelinuxer | tab i will call wazery tany | 15:11 |
| ashams | ya3am 2ollo yenazzel windows wi yerayya7 dema3'ooo | 15:13 |
| thelinuxer | wazery lost his home (folder of course) | 15:13 |
| ashams | good start | 15:13 |
| mgamal | whoa! | 15:13 |
| mgamal | I am using Window$ btw | 15:13 |
| thelinuxer | he will join us from a live cd session | 15:13 |
| thelinuxer | cool here he is | 15:14 |
| mgamal | my wireless is screwed on oneiric | 15:14 |
| thelinuxer | hi wazery | 15:14 |
| wazery | sorry guys :( | 15:14 |
| wazery | hi thelinuxer | 15:14 |
| mgamal | hi wazery | 15:14 |
| ashams | mgamal, shame on you | 15:14 |
| ashams | wazery, hi | 15:14 |
| wazery | hi mgamal | 15:14 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: start the meeting? | 15:14 |
| ashams | mwahahhaaha | 15:14 |
| wazery | hi ashams | 15:14 |
| ashams | wazery, hi | 15:14 |
| mgamal | guys let's start | 15:14 |
| ashams | ok | 15:15 |
| mgamal | ashams: what's the first topic on our list? | 15:15 |
| thelinuxer | who will be handling meetingology ? | 15:15 |
| ashams | crap | 15:15 |
| ashams | #startmeeting | 15:15 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Fri Feb 10 15:15:45 2012 UTC. The chair is ashams. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 15:15 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 15:15 |
| ashams | #chair mgamal | 15:15 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: ashams mgamal | 15:16 |
| ashams | #topic council meeting II | 15:16 |
| ashams | now what? | 15:16 |
| mgamal | what's the discussion point now? | 15:17 |
| thelinuxer | proceed with the agenda | 15:17 |
| ashams | #startmeeting council meeting 2 | 15:17 |
| meetingology | ashams: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. | 15:17 |
| ashams | #meetingtopic Council Meeting 2 | 15:17 |
| jonathanhindi | i have to go 4 15 mins | 15:18 |
| ashams | ok, let's pass | 15:18 |
| mgamal | ok | 15:18 |
| mgamal | what's the first topic on our agenda? | 15:18 |
| ashams | How can ppl join Council? | 15:18 |
| thelinuxer | #endmeeting | 15:19 |
| ashams | we have membership method suggested for joining and voting | 15:19 |
| mgamal | didn't we say elections are held on october and april? | 15:19 |
| ashams | yes, but who can be nominated | 15:19 |
| mgamal | and what's the method? | 15:19 |
| ashams | mgamal, membership | 15:19 |
| mgamal | great | 15:19 |
| mgamal | the question is, how can one be a member? | 15:20 |
| ashams | that's to make a somewhat threshold so one person won't get some of his friends to vote for him | 15:20 |
| mgamal | ok | 15:20 |
| mgamal | now membership will be approved by the councik | 15:21 |
| mgamal | *council | 15:21 |
| mgamal | but who can apply to begin with? | 15:21 |
| ashams | it was suggested that 6months of contribution is enough | 15:21 |
| mgamal | cool | 15:21 |
| mgamal | now this opnes another question | 15:21 |
| mgamal | on FGs | 15:21 |
| ashams | yes | 15:21 |
| mgamal | should the contribution be actually through the FGs? | 15:21 |
| ashams | I guess yes | 15:22 |
| mgamal | if we go far an open model, then people join the FGs as they desire | 15:22 |
| ashams | mgamal, not all fgs | 15:22 |
| mgamal | once they contribute for 6 months, they are eligible for membership | 15:22 |
| mgamal | if we go for a closed model | 15:22 |
| ashams | fgs need to be somehow not fully open | 15:22 |
| ashams | so we keep quality | 15:22 |
| mgamal | then people join FGs if and only if they are laready members | 15:22 |
| mgamal | *already | 15:22 |
| ashams | members of the parent team, right? | 15:23 |
| mgamal | what parent team? | 15:24 |
| ashams | I mean ~ubuntu-eg | 15:24 |
| ashams | pad.lv/~ubuntu-eg | 15:24 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: I am sorry but isn't this a bit confusing ? | 15:25 |
| ashams | yes | 15:25 |
| thelinuxer | i am gonna follow ur train of thought, how can one be a member of ubuntu-eg (the parent team)? | 15:26 |
| mgamal | nice one, thelinuxer | 15:26 |
| mgamal | :) | 15:26 |
| ashams | I mean, mgamal means members of ~ubuntut-eg which is fully open or members of "ubuntu-eg members" which is not fully open | 15:26 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: fine .. | 15:26 |
| ashams | coool | 15:26 |
| thelinuxer | i have a point to say about FGs | 15:26 |
| ashams | it's not a long train though | 15:26 |
| mgamal | no, members of FGs | 15:26 |
| ashams | shooot me | 15:26 |
| ashams | mgamal, that's good | 15:27 |
| thelinuxer | we discussed the option of having core FGs and completely open FGs | 15:27 |
| ashams | yes | 15:27 |
| thelinuxer | core are close and related to the day to day operations and event like graphics or web teams for instance | 15:27 |
| thelinuxer | while other FGs can be useful and everything but not as essential like a dev team (not that dev is not important ..) just an example | 15:28 |
| ashams | so if any one is a member of a core fg, s/he can be nominated, right? | 15:28 |
| mgamal | yes | 15:28 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: i guess the 6 month rule should be followed | 15:28 |
| mgamal | and members of open fgs can be nominated if they contribute for 6 months :) | 15:28 |
| thelinuxer | joining the FG means he was accepted by the FG leader, we can think he's on probation | 15:29 |
| mgamal | I have a different model in mind | 15:29 |
| ashams | mgamal, go | 15:29 |
| thelinuxer | or he could become a member if he got a recommendation from the FGs members/leaders | 15:29 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: shoot | 15:29 |
| mgamal | look guys | 15:29 |
| mgamal | I hate too much hirearchy | 15:29 |
| ashams | we can't look, it's irc | 15:29 |
| mgamal | I want to keep it as flat and open as much as possible | 15:30 |
| mgamal | don't want to have too many "elites" in the group and os | 15:30 |
| mgamal | *so | 15:30 |
| mgamal | it's against open source principles | 15:30 |
| mgamal | so anyway | 15:30 |
| mgamal | my idea is that FGs are open | 15:30 |
| ashams | good point | 15:30 |
| ashams | but quality | 15:30 |
| ashams | we can't give ppl a very bad support for ex. | 15:31 |
| mgamal | there are no quality concerns in FGs | 15:31 |
| mgamal | it's all natural selection | 15:31 |
| ashams | what about support fg? | 15:31 |
| mgamal | in other words | 15:31 |
| mgamal | Ubuntu-eg is a collective of all FGs | 15:31 |
| mgamal | anyway | 15:31 |
| mgamal | you contribute to FGs | 15:31 |
| mgamal | for 6 months | 15:31 |
| mgamal | once you do so | 15:31 |
| mgamal | and are approved by FG leader/community | 15:32 |
| mgamal | you can apply for membership | 15:32 |
| ashams | why membership ba2a? | 15:32 |
| wazery | ashams: I think the quality is the responsibility of the leader of the fg | 15:32 |
| ashams | we can make it just get nominated | 15:32 |
| ashams | wazery, good point | 15:32 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: fine by me .. as a membership process, types of FGs and their responsibilities should be discussed separately | 15:32 |
| jonathanhindi | am back | 15:33 |
| thelinuxer | wb | 15:33 |
| jonathanhindi | thelinuxer: thanks | 15:33 |
| mgamal | cool | 15:33 |
| ashams | mgamal, if we're doing all of this, why we put "membership" in their way | 15:33 |
| mgamal | don't get you ashams | 15:34 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: it's not in their way, it's not blocking them from doing anything .. | 15:34 |
| ashams | I think if one spent 6m in any core fg, he can get nominated for council | 15:34 |
| ashams | why we put them somewhere else while they'll be in their place with their record on that fg | 15:34 |
| ashams | recomendation from fg leader will be received anyway, who would say no? | 15:35 |
| ashams | recommendation* | 15:35 |
| ashams | mgamal, is it clear now? | 15:36 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: a side point but we will need a list of emails for the voting process, so we will need to collect those who has voting rights somewhere ... | 15:36 |
| mgamal | not really | 15:36 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, I'm talking about nomination only for now | 15:36 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: were u replying to him or me ? | 15:37 |
| mgamal | to ashams | 15:37 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: it's the same for me, any member can nominate himself | 15:37 |
| ashams | any member of what? | 15:37 |
| thelinuxer | any members who passed the membership process with status approved | 15:38 |
| ashams | guys, you keep "member" while we have a lot of memberships in here... | 15:38 |
| mgamal | guys | 15:38 |
| mgamal | let me clarify my idea | 15:38 |
| ashams | plz | 15:38 |
| mgamal | ignore core FGs for a moment | 15:38 |
| jonathanhindi | guys, ana etl5bat, you are discussing the membership of fg ? | 15:38 |
| mgamal | yes | 15:38 |
| mgamal | and this will lead us to ubuntu-eg mebership | 15:39 |
| mgamal | and thus to council | 15:39 |
| mgamal | for open FGs | 15:39 |
| ashams | ah | 15:39 |
| mgamal | anyone joins | 15:39 |
| mgamal | contributes 6 months | 15:39 |
| mgamal | and is eligible to apply for membership | 15:39 |
| mgamal | if their quality is bad | 15:39 |
| mgamal | we simply would filter them out and not vote them for membership | 15:40 |
| mgamal | for core FGs | 15:40 |
| jonathanhindi | mgamal: +! | 15:40 |
| mgamal | we don't need to follow this procedures | 15:40 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: +1 | 15:40 |
| jonathanhindi | mgamal: +1* | 15:40 |
| mgamal | because membership is already closed, and only good members are allowed in | 15:40 |
| mgamal | so being a member of a core FG means you can automatically apply for Ubuntu-eg membership | 15:41 |
| mgamal | Ubuntu-eg membership is to be approved by the council | 15:41 |
| mgamal | that's all | 15:41 |
| mgamal | who agrees? | 15:41 |
| ashams | how can we measure quality then? and who are we in "we simply would filter them out and not vote them for membership" | 15:41 |
| ashams | ? | 15:42 |
| mgamal | the council | 15:43 |
| ashams | +0 | 15:43 |
| thelinuxer | are we voting now ? | 15:43 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: can u start a vote ? | 15:44 |
| ashams | #vote 6m at fg > membership | 15:44 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: 6m at fg > membership | 15:44 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 15:44 |
| mgamal | +1 | 15:44 |
| meetingology | +1 received from mgamal | 15:44 |
| ashams | +0 | 15:44 |
| meetingology | +0 received from ashams | 15:44 |
| wazery | +1 | 15:44 |
| meetingology | +1 received from wazery | 15:44 |
| jonathanhindi | +1 | 15:44 |
| meetingology | +1 received from jonathanhindi | 15:44 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: close vote | 15:45 |
| ashams | #endvote | 15:45 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: 6m at fg > membership | 15:45 |
| meetingology | Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 15:45 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 15:45 |
| ashams | coool | 15:45 |
| mgamal | now, which are the core FGs and what are open ones? | 15:46 |
| ashams | mgamal, I think all fgs we agreed upon are core? | 15:46 |
| mgamal | really? | 15:46 |
| ashams | I guess so | 15:47 |
| mgamal | can you remind me which were which? | 15:47 |
| jonathanhindi | mgamal: till now we said that we will start with the core fg | 15:47 |
| mgamal | hmmm | 15:47 |
| mgamal | I guess we can discuss this division offline, but let's move on | 15:47 |
| ashams | mgamal, ok, grabbing them | 15:47 |
| ashams | PR: Marketing + Social Media + Spokespersons? | 15:48 |
| ashams | from last meeting | 15:48 |
| ashams | #subtopic PR: Marketing + Social Media + Spokespersons? | 15:48 |
| mgamal | fine by me | 15:49 |
| mgamal | any concerns? | 15:49 |
| ashams | jonathanhindi, objected having sp inside PR | 15:49 |
| ashams | it's irrelevant | 15:49 |
| jonathanhindi | yes | 15:49 |
| ashams | can we kick it out? | 15:49 |
| ashams | vote? | 15:50 |
| jonathanhindi | ashams: can't understand you? | 15:50 |
| ashams | sorry, should we collect votes on this issue? | 15:50 |
| thelinuxer | we would also need a group for inter-teams affairs :D like with other Arabic teams for instance | 15:50 |
| ashams | movin spokespersons outside pr | 15:51 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, that would be community | 15:51 |
| jonathanhindi | ashams: movin spokespersons outiside marketing | 15:51 |
| jonathanhindi | ** | 15:51 |
| ashams | outside PR | 15:51 |
| jonathanhindi | ashams: please name it marketing | 15:52 |
| ashams | it's not my name, after all | 15:52 |
| ashams | you suggest to change PR to marketin and kick SP outside it? | 15:52 |
| ashams | marketing* | 15:53 |
| jonathanhindi | yes | 15:53 |
| ashams | what you think guys? | 15:53 |
| ashams | mgamal, current FGs are: A)Support | 15:54 |
| ashams | B)Sponsors | 15:54 |
| ashams | C)PR: Marketing + Social Media + Spokespersons | 15:54 |
| ashams | D)Moderators | 15:54 |
| ashams | E)Website Maintainers | 15:54 |
| thelinuxer | i really don't have a say in this technically they are different | 15:54 |
| ashams | F)Bankers | 15:54 |
| mgamal | thelinuxer | 15:54 |
| mgamal | please weigh in | 15:54 |
| thelinuxer | weigh in what ? | 15:54 |
| mgamal | say why you think they're different | 15:55 |
| jonathanhindi | thelinuxer: technically they are different social media is a part of marketing but pr is a different field | 15:55 |
| thelinuxer | jonathanhindi: yes exactly what i mean | 15:56 |
| mgamal | cool | 15:56 |
| thelinuxer | for instance the PR should be the one dealing with ArabNet | 15:56 |
| mgamal | we should make them separate then | 15:56 |
| jonathanhindi | bezabt :D | 15:56 |
| thelinuxer | while the marketing team should be trying to increase our followers with any means necessary | 15:56 |
| jonathanhindi | thelinuxer: 3lik nour :) | 15:56 |
| ashams | so, Marketing, PR and SP.... | 15:57 |
| mgamal | I agree to this | 15:57 |
| ashams | any objection before collecting vottes? | 15:57 |
| mgamal | no | 15:58 |
| jonathanhindi | ashams: i think sp should be under the pr because it is very related but 3ashan el remote areas we should make it different | 15:58 |
| thelinuxer | jonathanhindi: i disagree ... | 15:58 |
| jonathanhindi | i am just confusing my self. | 15:58 |
| thelinuxer | it depends on what a spokes person means | 15:58 |
| thelinuxer | is he someone who can represent the team in events by giving lectures ? | 15:59 |
| thelinuxer | or is he someone who would get us sponsorship deals ? | 15:59 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, a representative while no council members in area | 15:59 |
| thelinuxer | representation for what ? | 16:00 |
| ashams | that simple | 16:00 |
| ashams | representative of the team | 16:00 |
| thelinuxer | any approved members should be a representative of the team in general | 16:00 |
| ashams | good point | 16:01 |
| thelinuxer | if they are a team they should have specific responsibilities | 16:01 |
| jonathanhindi | thelinuxer: yes i am with you in this point, Ubuntu-eg member is ubuntu-eg ambassador anywhere any time | 16:01 |
| thelinuxer | i guess we don't really have a definition for SP team, so we should cancel it all together .. | 16:03 |
| ashams | cool, let's do it for now | 16:03 |
| jonathanhindi | thelinuxer: +1 to cancel the sp team | 16:03 |
| ashams | #vote Marketing + PR (No SP) | 16:04 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Marketing + PR (No SP) | 16:04 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 16:04 |
| jonathanhindi | but any Ubuntu-Eg Approved member is an Ubuntu-Eg ambassador | 16:04 |
| jonathanhindi | +1 | 16:04 |
| meetingology | +1 received from jonathanhindi | 16:04 |
| wazery | +0 | 16:04 |
| meetingology | +0 received from wazery | 16:04 |
| thelinuxer | jonathanhindi: we can write this in the membership page ... | 16:04 |
| mgamal | +0 | 16:05 |
| meetingology | +0 received from mgamal | 16:05 |
| ashams | heh | 16:05 |
| ashams | -1 | 16:05 |
| meetingology | -1 received from ashams | 16:05 |
| ashams | #endvote | 16:05 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Marketing + PR (No SP) | 16:05 |
| meetingology | Votes for:1 Votes against:1 Abstentions:2 | 16:05 |
| meetingology | Deadlock, casting vote may be used | 16:05 |
| thelinuxer | i will be the tie breaking, cool ? | 16:05 |
| mgamal | agree | 16:05 |
| jonathanhindi | hehe :) | 16:05 |
| ashams | now what? | 16:06 |
| thelinuxer | ok np let the record show my big +1 :D | 16:06 |
| jonathanhindi | niah :_ | 16:06 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: next item in the agenda ... | 16:06 |
| thelinuxer | on* | 16:07 |
| ashams | Guys, plz say why you gave +0 and what are your suggestions? | 16:07 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, "on" istead of "in", comment: ya wad ya daqeeeq... | 16:08 |
| thelinuxer | :) | 16:08 |
| ashams | guys we didn't settle to anything thing in this regard so far..... | 16:08 |
| thelinuxer | no we did | 16:08 |
| ashams | what? | 16:08 |
| thelinuxer | if i would be the tie breaking vote | 16:08 |
| wazery | I have no suggestions about the sp :), I leave it for you guys | 16:09 |
| thelinuxer | i voted +1 | 16:09 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, that would be 2/5 | 16:09 |
| ashams | i gave -1 | 16:09 |
| thelinuxer | so the whole score is +1 | 16:09 |
| mgamal | same as wazery | 16:09 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: i don't really understand what r voting against ? what other structure you would like ? | 16:10 |
| thelinuxer | would you* :P | 16:10 |
| ashams | how would teams with no experienced persons make their way through | 16:11 |
| ashams | they will need a lnamed leader | 16:11 |
| ashams | to move the wheel | 16:11 |
| ashams | named* | 16:11 |
| thelinuxer | i think this unrelated to the structure itself ... | 16:11 |
| mgamal | ashams: just like we did with the council | 16:11 |
| thelinuxer | this is* | 16:11 |
| mgamal | current active members can be assigned to lead FGs | 16:11 |
| ashams | ok | 16:12 |
| mgamal | so | 16:12 |
| ashams | let's pass? | 16:12 |
| mgamal | next item on the agenda? | 16:12 |
| thelinuxer | so this structure is accepted, right ? | 16:12 |
| ashams | yes, to me | 16:13 |
| mgamal | same here | 16:13 |
| thelinuxer | cool | 16:13 |
| thelinuxer | proceed .. | 16:13 |
| mgamal | Marketing + PR with no SP team, I am getting this right? | 16:13 |
| thelinuxer | yes | 16:13 |
| ashams | mgamal, would you look for the next item yourself, sorry I'm confused | 16:13 |
| ashams | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10 | 16:13 |
| mgamal | #subtopic Eventing | 16:14 |
| ashams | how can we increase online events? or should we do aslan? | 16:15 |
| mgamal | ping! | 16:15 |
| ashams | pong :-) | 16:15 |
| mgamal | was just going to ask | 16:15 |
| mgamal | what are online events? | 16:15 |
| mgamal | I guess we have things like global jams | 16:15 |
| thelinuxer | online events like ubuntu user week | 16:16 |
| mgamal | but I can't really think of any more online events on the LoCo leevel | 16:16 |
| thelinuxer | and ubuntu developer week | 16:16 |
| mgamal | yes | 16:16 |
| thelinuxer | we can have in the Arabic teams level .. | 16:16 |
| mgamal | but the LoCo has nothing to do with these | 16:16 |
| thelinuxer | events like this in Arabic language | 16:16 |
| ashams | that's it, in arabic | 16:16 |
| mgamal | except probably promoting them | 16:16 |
| mgamal | we can do dour own events definitely | 16:16 |
| mgamal | but this is something that can be taken in its time | 16:16 |
| mgamal | I don't see a need for much discussion here | 16:17 |
| ashams | postpone it? | 16:17 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: sure i think it can be postponed .. | 16:17 |
| ashams | pass? | 16:17 |
| thelinuxer | +1 | 16:17 |
| mgamal | no+! | 16:18 |
| mgamal | +1 | 16:18 |
| mgamal | sorry | 16:18 |
| ashams | ok | 16:18 |
| ashams | #subtopic Finding fund for events. | 16:18 |
| ashams | it doesn't work :-( | 16:18 |
| mgamal | I don't have much to weigh in here | 16:18 |
| ashams | we have no fund for anything | 16:19 |
| mgamal | we probably needed Anas to tell us about it | 16:19 |
| mgamal | we will need to make Funds | 16:19 |
| ashams | our work on the new structure is almost useless | 16:19 |
| ashams | unless we make events | 16:19 |
| mgamal | why? | 16:19 |
| ashams | which need more money | 16:19 |
| mgamal | events need funds | 16:19 |
| mgamal | so | 16:19 |
| mgamal | well | 16:19 |
| ashams | so, we need funds | 16:19 |
| jonathanhindi | self funded | 16:19 |
| mgamal | IMO we can fund ourselves in two ways | 16:20 |
| jonathanhindi | minimum contribution | 16:20 |
| mgamal | 1- Self-funding | 16:20 |
| mgamal | 2- By getting sponsors | 16:20 |
| jonathanhindi | mgamal: i think doing the two together is a good idea | 16:20 |
| thelinuxer | i think funding is a tricky issue, legaly i mean | 16:20 |
| mgamal | jonathanhindi: I never said the two are mutually exclusive | 16:20 |
| thelinuxer | we don't want to be accused of getting foreign funds :D | 16:21 |
| jonathanhindi | we already discussed the min-contribution before in a public meeting | 16:21 |
| mgamal | thelinuxer: making a gam3eyya isn't illegal I think :) | 16:21 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: sure | 16:21 |
| mgamal | in other words | 16:21 |
| mgamal | members can pay voluntary monthly payments | 16:21 |
| mgamal | they will be kept to fund team activites | 16:21 |
| ashams | We almost can't receive funds from any organizations, simply coz they pay i to get subtracted from taxees | 16:21 |
| ashams | it* | 16:22 |
| jonathanhindi | so min-contribution 15 L.E from every approved member | 16:22 |
| ashams | taxes, even | 16:22 |
| thelinuxer | jonathanhindi: mgamal back to the collecting issue .. | 16:22 |
| thelinuxer | we want to make more meetings online | 16:22 |
| mgamal | definitely | 16:23 |
| thelinuxer | how would we collect the contribution every month? | 16:23 |
| ashams | ok, what about biannually? | 16:23 |
| mgamal | well | 16:23 |
| mgamal | there was one bulletpoint before funding | 16:23 |
| mgamal | I have no idea why ashams skipped it? | 16:23 |
| jonathanhindi | biannually for students it is nearl imposible | 16:23 |
| mgamal | Regulating ground events, by location and term. | 16:23 |
| jonathanhindi | imposible | 16:23 |
| mgamal | we need to say first how the group meets | 16:23 |
| mgamal | how frequently | 16:24 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: good point | 16:24 |
| ashams | mgamal, yes I skipped it | 16:24 |
| mgamal | monthly meeting? | 16:24 |
| wazery | Guys aside from our topic, we should also discuss making an event before the next release, because I have a lot of ready CDs and stickers | 16:24 |
| ashams | ok | 16:24 |
| mgamal | wazery, let's discuss this later | 16:24 |
| thelinuxer | lets focus on one point now | 16:24 |
| mgamal | in Sakia :) | 16:24 |
| mgamal | so anyway | 16:24 |
| thelinuxer | wazery: bring CDs with you please ... | 16:24 |
| mgamal | what's your opinion that the group makes a monthly meeting? | 16:25 |
| wazery | thelinuxer: ok | 16:25 |
| ashams | mgamal, +1 | 16:25 |
| thelinuxer | u mean physical meeting ? | 16:25 |
| mgamal | should be attended by council members and FG leaders | 16:25 |
| mgamal | yes | 16:25 |
| mgamal | I mean a physical meeting | 16:25 |
| mgamal | we can just discuss, have fun, be geeks, and most importantly, collect funds :) | 16:25 |
| thelinuxer | hmm .. | 16:25 |
| thelinuxer | didn't we try this over and over again ? | 16:26 |
| mgamal | we never set it in stone :) | 16:26 |
| thelinuxer | we always have problems committing to meetings every X | 16:26 |
| wazery | mgamal: +1 | 16:26 |
| ashams | yes, it was never regualted | 16:26 |
| ashams | what about 3rd friday of each month | 16:26 |
| ashams | every* | 16:26 |
| mgamal | what about the 1st friday of every month | 16:27 |
| mgamal | that's easier to remember :) | 16:27 |
| ashams | mgamal, +1 even | 16:27 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: mgamal wazery please guys tell me how is this different from what we did before ? | 16:27 |
| thelinuxer | how is this regulating it ? | 16:27 |
| jonathanhindi | +1 | 16:27 |
| mgamal | we never had a regulation to start with | 16:27 |
| mgamal | plus | 16:27 |
| mgamal | attendance should be mandatory for council members and group leaders | 16:28 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, dude, we need to make it in a way or another | 16:28 |
| thelinuxer | ok lets try this once more | 16:28 |
| ashams | it happens everywhere | 16:28 |
| thelinuxer | that's what i am saying tell me the way .. | 16:28 |
| thelinuxer | ok i agree too | 16:28 |
| mgamal | thelinuxer: now we have set dates for meetings, all we need is to discuss meeting places on the ML before we meet | 16:28 |
| mgamal | so | 16:29 |
| mgamal | let's take a vote? | 16:29 |
| thelinuxer | ok i guess we will need 1 online council meeting + 1 phsyical every month , right ? | 16:29 |
| ashams | #vote 1 physical meeting + 1 irc meeting every month? | 16:29 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: 1 physical meeting + 1 irc meeting every month? | 16:29 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 16:29 |
| ashams | +1 | 16:30 |
| meetingology | +1 received from ashams | 16:30 |
| jonathanhindi | +1 | 16:30 |
| meetingology | +1 received from jonathanhindi | 16:30 |
| wazery | +1 | 16:30 |
| meetingology | +1 received from wazery | 16:30 |
| jonathanhindi | Guys, I have to go now | 16:30 |
| jonathanhindi | I am sorry | 16:30 |
| jonathanhindi | bye | 16:30 |
| mgamal | +1 | 16:30 |
| meetingology | +1 received from mgamal | 16:30 |
| ashams | ok, bye | 16:30 |
| ashams | #endvote | 16:31 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: 1 physical meeting + 1 irc meeting every month? | 16:31 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 16:31 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 16:31 |
| wazery | bye jonathanhindi | 16:31 |
| mgamal | we didn't say when btw? :) | 16:31 |
| thelinuxer | 1st and 3rd fridays ? | 16:31 |
| mgamal | 1st friday every month for physical, + 3rd friday for IRC? | 16:31 |
| wazery | 1st for both | 16:31 |
| ashams | mgamal, can it be 1st for irc and 3rd for physical? | 16:32 |
| thelinuxer | wazery: it's a good idea actually ... | 16:32 |
| thelinuxer | tiring for the council but good : | 16:32 |
| thelinuxer | :D | 16:32 |
| mgamal | why ashams ? | 16:32 |
| ashams | so, we pre-discuss things on irc then we meet to finish it | 16:32 |
| mgamal | we still can do that if it's the other way round? :) | 16:33 |
| ashams | +1 | 16:33 |
| thelinuxer | doesn't really matter pic one guys, bas fe3lan I like wazery's suggestion | 16:34 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, why? | 16:35 |
| thelinuxer | because if i am in the council I would like to finish the meetings in only one day | 16:35 |
| thelinuxer | like today for instance we are meeting | 16:35 |
| wazery | guys, I need to go | 16:35 |
| thelinuxer | then we have a communitty outing | 16:35 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, cool | 16:35 |
| ashams | I +1 it | 16:36 |
| thelinuxer | wazery: vote for this then go | 16:36 |
| ashams | wazery, ok, bye dude | 16:36 |
| wazery | thelinuxer: ok | 16:36 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: start the vote | 16:36 |
| mgamal | vote what exactly? | 16:36 |
| ashams | #vote both meeting on 1st friday? | 16:36 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: both meeting on 1st friday? | 16:36 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 16:36 |
| wazery | +1 | 16:36 |
| meetingology | +1 received from wazery | 16:36 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: physical and IRC in the same day | 16:37 |
| wazery | meet you in sakia iaA | 16:37 |
| thelinuxer | wazery: ok bye | 16:37 |
| mgamal | -1 | 16:37 |
| meetingology | -1 received from mgamal | 16:37 |
| ashams | bye man :D | 16:37 |
| ashams | haha | 16:38 |
| mgamal | please vote guys | 16:38 |
| ashams | mgamal, why? | 16:38 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: finish the vote! | 16:38 |
| ashams | mgamal, why you -1'd ? | 16:38 |
| mgamal | probably won't have much time for the meetings this way | 16:38 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, one sec, let's lestin to mgamal 's logic | 16:38 |
| mgamal | as you can see wazery and jon already left because they probably need that time to reach Sakia :) | 16:39 |
| mgamal | so it confines the time for the IRC meeting | 16:39 |
| ashams | I agree with this | 16:39 |
| ashams | -1 | 16:39 |
| meetingology | -1 received from ashams | 16:39 |
| ashams | #endvote | 16:39 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: both meeting on 1st friday? | 16:39 |
| meetingology | Votes for:1 Votes against:2 Abstentions:0 | 16:39 |
| meetingology | Motion denied | 16:39 |
| thelinuxer | that's decided too | 16:39 |
| ashams | so 1st and 3rd fridays? | 16:40 |
| thelinuxer | yes | 16:40 |
| thelinuxer | can we list some action items ? | 16:40 |
| mgamal | 1st friday physical, 3rd IRC | 16:40 |
| ashams | mgamal, this month is a special case? | 16:40 |
| mgamal | yes | 16:40 |
| ashams | ok | 16:40 |
| ashams | +1 | 16:40 |
| thelinuxer | starting march isA | 16:40 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, ? | 16:40 |
| ashams | ok | 16:41 |
| thelinuxer | action items .. | 16:41 |
| thelinuxer | i guess we all agreed upon the core FGs | 16:41 |
| thelinuxer | i will create these core FGs and make the council the owner | 16:41 |
| ashams | don't know | 16:41 |
| ashams | ok | 16:41 |
| thelinuxer | what do u mean don't know ? | 16:41 |
| mgamal | we still haven't completely agreed about which ones will be core ans which will be open | 16:42 |
| mgamal | we'll discuss this when we meet | 16:42 |
| ashams | have we agreed on marketing + PR? | 16:42 |
| thelinuxer | yes | 16:42 |
| ashams | ok | 16:42 |
| thelinuxer | and i think graphics(not sure if we discussed this) | 16:42 |
| ashams | I'm not comfortable with fully open FGs | 16:42 |
| ashams | Open teams never helped | 16:43 |
| thelinuxer | and i think we should start asking people to join these teams ASAP | 16:43 |
| thelinuxer | ashams: we said we will have both | 16:43 |
| ashams | you'll get teams filled with ppl but noone do nothing | 16:43 |
| ashams | it won't help this way | 16:43 |
| mgamal | yes, but this will create a closed hierarchy in the community | 16:44 |
| ashams | we need some regulation to let ppl in | 16:44 |
| mgamal | no | 16:44 |
| mgamal | we don't | 16:44 |
| ashams | mgamal, it's not closed, let's make a procedure | 16:44 |
| mgamal | we can discuss this offline | 16:44 |
| ashams | we can't invite ppl without discussing this | 16:44 |
| thelinuxer | ok we can continue this discussion on the mailing list too .. | 16:44 |
| mgamal | we have to discuss this tonight | 16:44 |
| mgamal | in the outing | 16:45 |
| mgamal | okay? | 16:45 |
| ashams | mgamal, I won't come :( | 16:45 |
| mgamal | mailing list then | 16:45 |
| ashams | ok | 16:45 |
| mgamal | start a thread and we would discuss | 16:45 |
| ashams | ok | 16:45 |
| thelinuxer | cool | 16:45 |
| thelinuxer | here is what i am worried about .. | 16:45 |
| thelinuxer | we only have 2 month, and the process should be running before the next elections | 16:46 |
| ashams | by "Regulating ground events, by location and term" I meant making events like sessions or lectures or so, not just meetings | 16:46 |
| thelinuxer | so we need to finalize the parts related to the membership/FGs ASAP | 16:46 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, yep | 16:47 |
| thelinuxer | ok i think this meeting is adjourned | 16:48 |
| thelinuxer | we can continue on the mailing list | 16:48 |
| ashams | end? | 16:48 |
| ashams | ok | 16:48 |
| ashams | mgamal, ? | 16:48 |
| mgamal | end | 16:48 |
| ashams | #endmeeting | 16:48 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Fri Feb 10 16:48:47 2012 UTC. | 16:48 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-eg/2012/ubuntu-eg.2012-02-10-15.15.moin.txt | 16:48 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-eg/2012/ubuntu-eg.2012-02-10-15.15.html | 16:48 |
| thelinuxer | i like the output from this bot! | 16:49 |
| thelinuxer | nice! | 16:49 |
| mgamal | yeah! *me gusta* | 16:49 |
| ashams | yeah, I like it too | 16:49 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: lool | 16:50 |
| thelinuxer | ok here is what we did wrong | 16:50 |
| thelinuxer | meeting topic is wrong | 16:50 |
| thelinuxer | and all topics are sub topics .. | 16:50 |
| ashams | no problem will fix it :) | 16:50 |
| thelinuxer | we should do better next time :D | 16:50 |
| thelinuxer | don't fix it | 16:50 |
| ashams | isA | 16:50 |
| thelinuxer | it doesn't matter we were learning | 16:51 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: 7asaly el 3esha we anzel 3ala tool isA | 16:51 |
| mgamal | ok | 16:51 |
| thelinuxer | eshta | 16:51 |
| mgamal | I am in Agouza, so I'll be in Sakia in no time isA | 16:51 |
| thelinuxer | bye ashams catch u later | 16:51 |
| thelinuxer | mgamal: cool | 16:51 |
| mgamal | bye everyone | 16:52 |
| ashams | thelinuxer, bye :-) | 16:52 |
| ashams | mgamal, bye | 16:52 |
| mgamal | ashams: bye | 16:52 |
| ashams | mgamal, bye | 16:52 |
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