=== ashams_ is now known as ashams [14:34] thelinuxer, dude, we need them to agree on membership method before talking about procedures, right? [14:34] :D [14:47] ashams: methods and procedures are synonyms :D [14:52] ashams: you can add any subtopics you see appropriate to clarify it .. [14:57] hi mgamal [14:57] :) [14:57] hi [14:58] thelinuxer, I meant the whole *membership* idea aslan :D [14:58] mgamal, hiiiiiiiiiiii [14:58] hi guys [14:58] mgamal, hi :) [14:59] hi ashams [14:59] thelinuxer, hi [14:59] mgamal, hi [14:59] hi [14:59] hell, hi [14:59] stop saying hi, so I won't reply hi [14:59] :P [14:59] ashams: this was the main idea behind having a non-elected council! [15:00] to put some standards and start accepting members [15:00] who will have voting rights [15:00] thelinuxer, man, I can't understand you these days :P [15:00] y r we talking in loops ?! we have been having this conversation for almost a year now! [15:01] a year a whole year!!!! [15:01] thelinuxer, hi [15:01] meetingology, hi [15:01] ashams: i won't hi u back :P [15:01] ashams: Error: "hi" is not a valid command. [15:01] lol [15:01] thelinuxer, lol [15:01] hahahahaha [15:01] i will jon an wazery [15:02] will call* [15:02] Y? [15:02] shouldn't they be here by now ? [15:02] ba7eb a3mel feha 3abeeet awiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :P [15:03] wazery has ubuntu related problems :D he should be here in 2 mins [15:04] jonathan should be here in 5 [15:04] mgamal: y don't u familiarize yourself with meetingology since u gonna be the meeting chair [15:04] how does it work? [15:04] 5 points, maybe mins, maybe hours, maybe days, maybe weeks, maybe years [15:04] just send it msgs [15:05] for instance i will try to make u chair [15:05] meetingology: #chair mgamal [15:05] thelinuxer: Error: "#chair" is not a valid command. [15:05] non, he should startmeeting by himself [15:05] there is a chair command! [15:06] i saw it in the wiki page! [15:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:06] I assume it's to chane or set chair [15:06] after starting meeting [15:07] mashy [15:07] mgamal: you should use "startmeeting" when the time comes :D [15:07] then "topic" and "subtopic" ..etc [15:07] I am here now [15:07] sorry for being late [15:07] waiting for wazery [15:07] wazery should be here sooon [15:08] Can you send me the agenda ? [15:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10 [15:08] jonathanhindi, hi (he don't know what I'm going to do next) [15:09] lool [15:09] ashams, can u handle all those meetingology stuff? [15:09] ashams: 7asies bi ma2lab gai :D [15:09] mgamal, noooooooooo [15:09] jonathanhindi, hi [15:09] ashams: just logistical stuff ... we would only need a link to the meetingology minutes page [15:09] no need for "present" section ..etc [15:10] mgamal: we will all learn together :D [15:10] ok, I think we should forget about that bot this time [15:10] ok, let's learn [15:10] why i feel that i am not understanding anything now ! [15:10] coz you didn't reply the hi [15:10] jonathanhindi: we have a meeting bot [15:10] jonathanhindi: lighten up, we haven't started yet [15:10] reply and I'll tell you :P [15:10] ashams: lol stop it [15:10] hi [15:11] thelinuxer, ok, mr op :( [15:11] jonathanhindi: hi [15:11] yyyaaaaay [15:11] jonathanhindi, hi [15:11] ashams: hi [15:11] ashams: hi [15:11] oh nooooooooooo [15:11] jonathanhindi, thelinuxer hi [15:11] thelinuxer: hi :P [15:11] ana zh2t :D [15:11] hahaha [15:11] tab i will call wazery tany [15:13] ya3am 2ollo yenazzel windows wi yerayya7 dema3'ooo [15:13] wazery lost his home (folder of course) [15:13] good start [15:13] whoa! [15:13] I am using Window$ btw [15:13] he will join us from a live cd session [15:14] cool here he is [15:14] my wireless is screwed on oneiric [15:14] hi wazery [15:14] sorry guys :( [15:14] hi thelinuxer [15:14] hi wazery [15:14] mgamal, shame on you [15:14] wazery, hi [15:14] hi mgamal [15:14] mgamal: start the meeting? [15:14] mwahahhaaha [15:14] hi ashams [15:14] wazery, hi [15:14] guys let's start [15:15] ok [15:15] ashams: what's the first topic on our list? [15:15] who will be handling meetingology ? [15:15] crap [15:15] #startmeeting [15:15] Meeting started Fri Feb 10 15:15:45 2012 UTC. The chair is ashams. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:15] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:15] #chair mgamal [15:16] Current chairs: ashams mgamal [15:16] #topic council meeting II [15:16] now what? [15:17] what's the discussion point now? [15:17] proceed with the agenda [15:17] #startmeeting council meeting 2 [15:17] ashams: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. [15:17] #meetingtopic Council Meeting 2 [15:18] i have to go 4 15 mins [15:18] ok, let's pass [15:18] ok [15:18] what's the first topic on our agenda? [15:18] How can ppl join Council? [15:19] #endmeeting [15:19] we have membership method suggested for joining and voting [15:19] didn't we say elections are held on october and april? [15:19] yes, but who can be nominated [15:19] and what's the method? [15:19] mgamal, membership [15:19] great [15:20] the question is, how can one be a member? [15:20] that's to make a somewhat threshold so one person won't get some of his friends to vote for him [15:20] ok [15:21] now membership will be approved by the councik [15:21] *council [15:21] but who can apply to begin with? [15:21] it was suggested that 6months of contribution is enough [15:21] cool [15:21] now this opnes another question [15:21] on FGs [15:21] yes [15:21] should the contribution be actually through the FGs? [15:22] I guess yes [15:22] if we go far an open model, then people join the FGs as they desire [15:22] mgamal, not all fgs [15:22] once they contribute for 6 months, they are eligible for membership [15:22] if we go for a closed model [15:22] fgs need to be somehow not fully open [15:22] so we keep quality [15:22] then people join FGs if and only if they are laready members [15:22] *already [15:23] members of the parent team, right? [15:24] what parent team? [15:24] I mean ~ubuntu-eg [15:24] pad.lv/~ubuntu-eg [15:25] ashams: I am sorry but isn't this a bit confusing ? [15:25] yes [15:26] i am gonna follow ur train of thought, how can one be a member of ubuntu-eg (the parent team)? [15:26] nice one, thelinuxer [15:26] :) [15:26] I mean, mgamal means members of ~ubuntut-eg which is fully open or members of "ubuntu-eg members" which is not fully open [15:26] ashams: fine .. [15:26] coool [15:26] i have a point to say about FGs [15:26] it's not a long train though [15:26] no, members of FGs [15:26] shooot me [15:27] mgamal, that's good [15:27] we discussed the option of having core FGs and completely open FGs [15:27] yes [15:27] core are close and related to the day to day operations and event like graphics or web teams for instance [15:28] while other FGs can be useful and everything but not as essential like a dev team (not that dev is not important ..) just an example [15:28] so if any one is a member of a core fg, s/he can be nominated, right? [15:28] yes [15:28] mgamal: i guess the 6 month rule should be followed [15:28] and members of open fgs can be nominated if they contribute for 6 months :) [15:29] joining the FG means he was accepted by the FG leader, we can think he's on probation [15:29] I have a different model in mind [15:29] mgamal, go [15:29] or he could become a member if he got a recommendation from the FGs members/leaders [15:29] mgamal: shoot [15:29] look guys [15:29] I hate too much hirearchy [15:29] we can't look, it's irc [15:30] I want to keep it as flat and open as much as possible [15:30] don't want to have too many "elites" in the group and os [15:30] *so [15:30] it's against open source principles [15:30] so anyway [15:30] my idea is that FGs are open [15:30] good point [15:30] but quality [15:31] we can't give ppl a very bad support for ex. [15:31] there are no quality concerns in FGs [15:31] it's all natural selection [15:31] what about support fg? [15:31] in other words [15:31] Ubuntu-eg is a collective of all FGs [15:31] anyway [15:31] you contribute to FGs [15:31] for 6 months [15:31] once you do so [15:32] and are approved by FG leader/community [15:32] you can apply for membership [15:32] why membership ba2a? [15:32] ashams: I think the quality is the responsibility of the leader of the fg [15:32] we can make it just get nominated [15:32] wazery, good point [15:32] mgamal: fine by me .. as a membership process, types of FGs and their responsibilities should be discussed separately [15:33] am back [15:33] wb [15:33] thelinuxer: thanks [15:33] cool [15:33] mgamal, if we're doing all of this, why we put "membership" in their way [15:34] don't get you ashams [15:34] ashams: it's not in their way, it's not blocking them from doing anything .. [15:34] I think if one spent 6m in any core fg, he can get nominated for council [15:34] why we put them somewhere else while they'll be in their place with their record on that fg [15:35] recomendation from fg leader will be received anyway, who would say no? [15:35] recommendation* [15:36] mgamal, is it clear now? [15:36] ashams: a side point but we will need a list of emails for the voting process, so we will need to collect those who has voting rights somewhere ... [15:36] not really [15:36] thelinuxer, I'm talking about nomination only for now [15:37] mgamal: were u replying to him or me ? [15:37] to ashams [15:37] ashams: it's the same for me, any member can nominate himself [15:37] any member of what? [15:38] any members who passed the membership process with status approved [15:38] guys, you keep "member" while we have a lot of memberships in here... [15:38] guys [15:38] let me clarify my idea [15:38] plz [15:38] ignore core FGs for a moment [15:38] guys, ana etl5bat, you are discussing the membership of fg ? [15:38] yes [15:39] and this will lead us to ubuntu-eg mebership [15:39] and thus to council [15:39] for open FGs [15:39] ah [15:39] anyone joins [15:39] contributes 6 months [15:39] and is eligible to apply for membership [15:39] if their quality is bad [15:40] we simply would filter them out and not vote them for membership [15:40] for core FGs [15:40] mgamal: +! [15:40] we don't need to follow this procedures [15:40] mgamal: +1 [15:40] mgamal: +1* [15:40] because membership is already closed, and only good members are allowed in [15:41] so being a member of a core FG means you can automatically apply for Ubuntu-eg membership [15:41] Ubuntu-eg membership is to be approved by the council [15:41] that's all [15:41] who agrees? [15:41] how can we measure quality then? and who are we in "we simply would filter them out and not vote them for membership" [15:42] ? [15:43] the council [15:43] +0 [15:43] are we voting now ? [15:44] ashams: can u start a vote ? [15:44] #vote 6m at fg > membership [15:44] Please vote on: 6m at fg > membership [15:44] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [15:44] +1 [15:44] +1 received from mgamal [15:44] +0 [15:44] +0 received from ashams [15:44] +1 [15:44] +1 received from wazery [15:44] +1 [15:44] +1 received from jonathanhindi [15:45] ashams: close vote [15:45] #endvote [15:45] Voting ended on: 6m at fg > membership [15:45] Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 [15:45] Motion carried [15:45] coool [15:46] now, which are the core FGs and what are open ones? [15:46] mgamal, I think all fgs we agreed upon are core? [15:46] really? [15:47] I guess so [15:47] can you remind me which were which? [15:47] mgamal: till now we said that we will start with the core fg [15:47] hmmm [15:47] I guess we can discuss this division offline, but let's move on [15:47] mgamal, ok, grabbing them [15:48] PR: Marketing + Social Media + Spokespersons? [15:48] from last meeting [15:48] #subtopic PR: Marketing + Social Media + Spokespersons? [15:49] fine by me [15:49] any concerns? [15:49] jonathanhindi, objected having sp inside PR [15:49] it's irrelevant [15:49] yes [15:49] can we kick it out? [15:50] vote? [15:50] ashams: can't understand you? [15:50] sorry, should we collect votes on this issue? [15:50] we would also need a group for inter-teams affairs :D like with other Arabic teams for instance [15:51] movin spokespersons outside pr [15:51] thelinuxer, that would be community [15:51] ashams: movin spokespersons outiside marketing [15:51] ** [15:51] outside PR [15:52] ashams: please name it marketing [15:52] it's not my name, after all [15:52] you suggest to change PR to marketin and kick SP outside it? [15:53] marketing* [15:53] yes [15:53] what you think guys? [15:54] mgamal, current FGs are: A)Support [15:54] B)Sponsors [15:54] C)PR: Marketing + Social Media + Spokespersons [15:54] D)Moderators [15:54] E)Website Maintainers [15:54] i really don't have a say in this technically they are different [15:54] F)Bankers [15:54] thelinuxer [15:54] please weigh in [15:54] weigh in what ? [15:55] say why you think they're different [15:55] thelinuxer: technically they are different social media is a part of marketing but pr is a different field [15:56] jonathanhindi: yes exactly what i mean [15:56] cool [15:56] for instance the PR should be the one dealing with ArabNet [15:56] we should make them separate then [15:56] bezabt :D [15:56] while the marketing team should be trying to increase our followers with any means necessary [15:56] thelinuxer: 3lik nour :) [15:57] so, Marketing, PR and SP.... [15:57] I agree to this [15:57] any objection before collecting vottes? [15:58] no [15:58] ashams: i think sp should be under the pr because it is very related but 3ashan el remote areas we should make it different [15:58] jonathanhindi: i disagree ... [15:58] i am just confusing my self. [15:58] it depends on what a spokes person means [15:59] is he someone who can represent the team in events by giving lectures ? [15:59] or is he someone who would get us sponsorship deals ? [15:59] thelinuxer, a representative while no council members in area [16:00] representation for what ? [16:00] that simple [16:00] representative of the team [16:00] any approved members should be a representative of the team in general [16:01] good point [16:01] if they are a team they should have specific responsibilities [16:01] thelinuxer: yes i am with you in this point, Ubuntu-eg member is ubuntu-eg ambassador anywhere any time [16:03] i guess we don't really have a definition for SP team, so we should cancel it all together .. [16:03] cool, let's do it for now [16:03] thelinuxer: +1 to cancel the sp team [16:04] #vote Marketing + PR (No SP) [16:04] Please vote on: Marketing + PR (No SP) [16:04] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:04] but any Ubuntu-Eg Approved member is an Ubuntu-Eg ambassador [16:04] +1 [16:04] +1 received from jonathanhindi [16:04] +0 [16:04] +0 received from wazery [16:04] jonathanhindi: we can write this in the membership page ... [16:05] +0 [16:05] +0 received from mgamal [16:05] heh [16:05] -1 [16:05] -1 received from ashams [16:05] #endvote [16:05] Voting ended on: Marketing + PR (No SP) [16:05] Votes for:1 Votes against:1 Abstentions:2 [16:05] Deadlock, casting vote may be used [16:05] i will be the tie breaking, cool ? [16:05] agree [16:05] hehe :) [16:06] now what? [16:06] ok np let the record show my big +1 :D [16:06] niah :_ [16:06] ashams: next item in the agenda ... [16:07] on* [16:07] Guys, plz say why you gave +0 and what are your suggestions? [16:08] thelinuxer, "on" istead of "in", comment: ya wad ya daqeeeq... [16:08] :) [16:08] guys we didn't settle to anything thing in this regard so far..... [16:08] no we did [16:08] what? [16:08] if i would be the tie breaking vote [16:09] I have no suggestions about the sp :), I leave it for you guys [16:09] i voted +1 [16:09] thelinuxer, that would be 2/5 [16:09] i gave -1 [16:09] so the whole score is +1 [16:09] same as wazery [16:10] ashams: i don't really understand what r voting against ? what other structure you would like ? [16:10] would you* :P [16:11]