| bigcalm | It works! | 00:05 |
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| bigcalm | I sleep! | 00:05 |
| zleap | ok | 00:09 |
| directhex | windows for servers? lolz | 00:17 |
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| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments Video Demo - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/10/ubuntu-accomplishments-video-demo/ | 06:05 |
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| diplo | Morning all | 08:14 |
| daubers | Morning | 08:14 |
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| mattt | morning morning | 08:34 |
| daubers | o/ | 08:35 |
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| diplo | oimon, gitorious.org/owncloud has a Android App | 09:23 |
| diplo | Will take a look later and let you know! | 09:23 |
| gord_ | hrm, dejadup really can't do backups over ssh without asking for your password | 09:37 |
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| gordonjcp | gord: ssh keys? | 09:39 |
| gord | gordonjcp, yup | 09:41 |
| oimon | diplo: cool | 09:53 |
| oimon | i'm on u1 for the tomboy sync, but my job changes as of monday and i may be working a lot from laptop a lot and need cloud sync | 09:54 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 09:55 |
| aspirin | hi | 09:57 |
| brobostigon | hi | 09:57 |
| s-fox | hi | 09:57 |
| brobostigon | hi | 09:57 |
| oimon | hi# | 09:57 |
| oimon | doh | 09:57 |
| brobostigon | moo | 09:57 |
| oimon | you're up early brobostigon | 09:57 |
| aspirin | anyone could help how to sync epub books from ubuntu to ipad? | 09:57 |
| brobostigon | oimon: it is 10am, i normally come on about this time dont i. ? | 09:58 |
| oimon | brobostigon: i realise i am time shifting today cos my train was excessively delayed | 09:58 |
| oimon | i'm thinking its 9am | 09:58 |
| brobostigon | oimon: ah, i see, :( | 09:58 |
| oimon | could be my last day here for a long while | 09:59 |
| brobostigon | why ? | 09:59 |
| oimon | got pulled onto another department for a bit | 10:00 |
| diplo | Got it installed and logged into my local owncloud | 10:00 |
| diplo | Can't see it does much yet though | 10:00 |
| diplo | :) | 10:00 |
| oimon | won't have much privacy or spare time | 10:00 |
| gord | aspirin, best thing i can suggest is calibre | 10:01 |
| brobostigon | oimon: eeek, good luck. | 10:01 |
| gord | no idea if it works with ipads | 10:01 |
| oimon | yeah brobostigon no extra moneys or aything | 10:01 |
| brobostigon | oimon: :( | 10:01 |
| aspirin | oh right i remember usinit in windows, thanks alot | 10:02 |
| oimon | guys, have a question about those scammers who ring up "you have a virus on your PC, press super-R" | 10:05 |
| oimon | my mum admitted she'd spoken to them. she says she didn't give credit card details - what else do they try and do? | 10:06 |
| daubers | They might try and get you to install something nasty, or go to a nasty filled website | 10:07 |
| oimon | she told them she had antivirus, but i'm not sure if she knows exactly what happened on the PC (i.e. did she give remote acecss to someone) | 10:08 |
| popey | they usually ask you to go to event viewer and just read out some numbers | 10:09 |
| popey | most of them dont actually get you to install stuff | 10:09 |
| popey | they just want you to pay for their stuff | 10:09 |
| DJones | oimon: They tried to get my dad to connect to a website which would give them remote desktop so they could run a scanner | 10:10 |
| oimon | popey: thanks, that tallies with something i'm reading on another site - she remembers that they said windows key+R | 10:10 |
| popey | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSFRtPus3DQ&feature=plcp&context=C3e52416UDOEgsToPDskJvZXCmlPIPvCP4Www6VdmK | 10:11 |
| popey | guy managed to record the call and screencast what the guy was getting him to do | 10:11 |
| popey | kids school is closed so they're home today | 10:12 |
| oimon | popey: unity :D | 10:14 |
| popey | oimon: hmm? | 10:16 |
| oimon | the guy is on ubuntu with win VM :D | 10:16 |
| oimon | wasn't expecting that | 10:16 |
| popey | ah ☺ | 10:17 |
| popey | he does lots of ubuntu videos | 10:17 |
| gord | hrm, i screwed up the dash code and made the dash about 18 pixels high. been using it like that for the past day and i must say, does pretty well for not being able to see the results, the first one is almost always what i wanted | 10:18 |
| gordonjcp | heh | 10:19 |
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| JamesTait | Oh, and good morning, world! Happy Friday! :) | 10:27 |
| popey | YES! | 10:27 |
| bigcalm | Yay Friday | 10:29 |
| gord | boo, wish it was wednesday | 10:29 |
| bigcalm | Hi peeps :) | 10:29 |
| webpigeon_laptop | ls | 10:41 |
| webpigeon_laptop | whoops x.x | 10:41 |
| kirrus | gord: why, are you going on holiday? | 10:41 |
| gord | nope | 10:41 |
| kirrus | webpigeon_laptop: better than typing your password into a screen you think is locked :/ | 10:41 |
| gord | feature freeze next week | 10:41 |
| webpigeon_laptop | kirrus: very true :P | 10:42 |
| kirrus | gord: cool. Do you know where the discussion on replacing mysql with maria went in the end? | 10:42 |
| gord | no idea | 10:42 |
| webpigeon_laptop | kirrus: although have done that before - Luckly a text editor had focus | 10:42 |
| andylockran | hey guys | 10:43 |
| andylockran | how does things? | 10:43 |
| popey | I do not know. how does things andylockran ? | 10:43 |
| webpigeon_laptop | Hey andylockran, things does good :), yourself? | 10:43 |
| andylockran | thigns does good with me | 10:45 |
| andylockran | aside from my typing, which seems a bit out | 10:45 |
| andylockran | anyone use the symfony framework? | 10:46 |
| diplo | andylockran, I think bigcalm or BigRedS do | 10:47 |
| diplo | Whoever runs myrant.net :) | 10:47 |
| * diplo forgets | 10:47 | |
| popey | bigcalm | 10:47 |
| * bigcalm looks up | 10:48 | |
| bigcalm | Ah, yes, hello from Symfony land :D | 10:49 |
| bigcalm | Wow, somebody remembered that I run myrant.net? :D | 10:50 |
| bigcalm | andylockran: sup? | 10:50 |
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| davmor2 | morning all | 10:54 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: prod | 10:54 |
| bigcalm | Hi davmor2 | 10:55 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: in 2 days in a row early | 10:55 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I gave up with PHP, now coding in vb.net | 10:56 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: only a few minutes | 10:56 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Quitter :P | 10:56 |
| czajkowski | bigcalm: go straight to the naughty step, vb! | 10:57 |
| bigcalm | :D | 10:57 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: I've never felt so dirty in my whole career | 10:57 |
| czajkowski | bigcalm: consider yourself moved to the step fr good mister! | 10:57 |
| bigcalm | :O | 10:58 |
| bigcalm | It's crowded on here | 10:58 |
| BadgerUK | hello! | 10:59 |
| BadgerUK | im trying to follow the instructions, create bash script, into bin | 10:59 |
| BadgerUK | ive pasted the script into an empty file in kate | 11:00 |
| BadgerUK | now im trying to save into bin | 11:00 |
| BadgerUK | but presumably i dont have permission | 11:00 |
| BigRedS | BadgerUK: what're 'the instructions' and do you know which 'bin' you're putting them in? | 11:00 |
| BigRedS | it should normally be the bin in your home directory | 11:00 |
| BadgerUK | http://blog.deadlypenguin.com/blog/2011/05/03/using-meld-with-git-diff/ | 11:00 |
| BigRedS | that one you'll have permissions to write to | 11:00 |
| BadgerUK | yeah the one in hme directory | 11:00 |
| bigcalm | BadgerUK: if it doesn't have to be a system wide script, you could set up a bin directory in your home dir. Include the path in your .bashrc | 11:01 |
| BigRedS | yeah, stick it in ~/bin | 11:01 |
| BigRedS | bigcalm: ~/bin is in put into $PATH if it exists | 11:01 |
| bigcalm | BigRedS: goodo | 11:01 |
| BadgerUK | k, i am unable to paste anything into /bin or save | 11:02 |
| bigcalm | Yes, use the bin dir in your home directory | 11:02 |
| bigcalm | If it doesn't exist, create it | 11:02 |
| bigcalm | Note that ~/ is a shortcut to your own home dir | 11:03 |
| BadgerUK | aha | 11:03 |
| BadgerUK | im from a windows background if u hadnt already guessed :'( | 11:03 |
| bigcalm | For me, cd ~/ puts me in /home/iain | 11:03 |
| bigcalm | We have to start somewhere :) | 11:03 |
| BadgerUK | lol | 11:04 |
| bigcalm | Also, please note that filenames and directory names are case sensitive in Linux | 11:04 |
| BadgerUK | so the bash script is in my bin in my home directory, now im goign to change my git config to use the script | 11:04 |
| BadgerUK | how does the git config file know the bash script is in my home bin? | 11:04 |
| BadgerUK | instructions are: [diff] | 11:04 |
| BadgerUK | external = git-meld | 11:04 |
| bigcalm | You'll also want to chmod the script so that you can run it without having to call it with sh | 11:04 |
| BadgerUK | i think i know how to do that from playing with py exe | 11:05 |
| BadgerUK | the external bit in external = git-meld. How does that know where external is? | 11:06 |
| ormiret | I think external will be the name it is using to refer to an external program. The git-meld part will be what it needs to find. If it uses a normal environment to run the external command then it will search all the directories in your PATH environment variable for that command (and should find it in ~/bin) | 11:09 |
| BadgerUK | ah | 11:09 |
| BadgerUK | thanx guys | 11:10 |
| BadgerUK | one day, many months from now; i'll be able to use linux aswel as windows | 11:11 |
| gord | awww, mark didn't put real <blink> tags in his post | 11:11 |
| popey | ☺ | 11:12 |
| * bigcalm prods andylockran | 11:16 | |
| BadgerUK | k, so i made a bash script called git-meld.sh, made it executable, put in it in ~/bin, updated my git config file to [diff] external = git-meld, and then tried git diff | 11:29 |
| BadgerUK | i get the following error $ git diff | 11:29 |
| BadgerUK | error: cannot run git-meld: No such file or directory | 11:29 |
| BadgerUK | and as stated, im trying to follow these instructions http://blog.deadlypenguin.com/blog/2011/05/03/using-meld-with-git-diff/ | 11:29 |
| BadgerUK | how do i specify the path for that script? | 11:30 |
| kirrus | BadgerUK: try renaming git-meld.sh to 'git-meld' | 11:31 |
| BadgerUK | in bin? | 11:31 |
| kirrus | aye | 11:31 |
| BadgerUK | cheers | 11:31 |
| BadgerUK | will it keep its exectuable status if i change it? | 11:31 |
| BadgerUK | it didn't work | 11:32 |
| BadgerUK | same error | 11:32 |
| BadgerUK | error: cannot run git-meld: No such file or directory | 11:32 |
| bigcalm | BadgerUK: if you open a terminal and run this, what do you get? echo $PATH | 11:34 |
| BadgerUK | /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games | 11:34 |
| BadgerUK | what purpose does path serve? | 11:35 |
| bigcalm | iain@revo:~$ echo $PATH | 11:35 |
| bigcalm | /home/iain/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games | 11:35 |
| bigcalm | Mine includes the bin dir in my home dir | 11:35 |
| BadgerUK | but why have $PATH; is it like a shortcut area for programs to use? | 11:36 |
| bigcalm | It is the list of dirs that will be looked in (in order) for a given command | 11:37 |
| BadgerUK | cool | 11:37 |
| BadgerUK | thank you | 11:37 |
| BadgerUK | big help xxx | 11:37 |
| andylockran | back in 5 | 11:40 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Cool - Just got a letter from son's school. Tickets for Saracens vs Quins at Wembley (£15 adults and £5 kids). Looks like a good day out :-) | 11:40 |
| popey | TheOpenSourcerer: your kids go to school today? | 11:41 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Yeah | 11:42 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | No probs. | 11:42 |
| popey | ours didnt, school closed | 11:42 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | WTF? | 11:42 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | There was only an inch or so of snow | 11:42 |
| popey | yeah | 11:42 |
| popey | its at the bottom of a hill, snow makes it somewhat annoying ☺ | 11:42 |
| AlanBell | popey: no kids here | 11:45 |
| bigcalm | Somebody has been able to insert a google ads script into a client's WordPress theme. As I've got the account id for the google ads account, is it possible to report this to Google somehow? | 11:49 |
| kirrus | bigcalm: http://www.abuse.net/lookup.phtml?domain=google.com | 12:04 |
| bigcalm | Ah, ta | 12:05 |
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| BigRedS | y | 12:19 |
| BigRedS | whoop. Wrong pane | 12:19 |
| kirrus | BigRedS: seems to be going around today | 12:22 |
| gord | hrm, new gpu did not come with a little screw to screw it in... i'm sure it will be fine not screwed down.. yeah | 12:23 |
| popey | until you wibble the dvi port | 12:29 |
| popey | and it pops out of the pcie slot and locks the machine | 12:29 |
| * smittix is back to normal woo | 12:40 | |
| gord | popey, well the last gpu that i've had for about two years never got overly wibbled, so maybe it'll be okay ;) | 12:42 |
| czajkowski | dear software center why must you crash when I want to install items, not making my day run smoothly! | 12:45 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: time to change to linux mint | 12:52 |
| czajkowski | I only have mints after dinner | 12:53 |
| popey | filed a bug czajkowski ? | 12:53 |
| czajkowski | popey: aye just about to do so, kept happening last night in the middle of CC meeting with chrome crashing and trying to install FF | 12:55 |
| popey | firefox should be installed by default | 12:55 |
| popey | also, if you have removed firefox chances are you have probably removed ubuntu-desktop, so may be missing other good stuff | 12:55 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: add you ~/.cache/software-center.log to the report | 12:55 |
| czajkowski | aye I suaully remove it tbh | 12:56 |
| czajkowski | hmm it crashed saying didnt install FF but actually did | 12:56 |
| popey | bet if you run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" (with the caret, without the quotes) it pulls in loads of stuff | 12:57 |
| bigcalm | Oh, hello mr snow | 12:57 |
| czajkowski | popey: ahh ok will try that | 12:58 |
| czajkowski | 115 packages to install | 13:02 |
| czajkowski | lovely! | 13:02 |
| popey | now.. don't remove firefox ☺ | 13:13 |
| czajkowski | I know.... I just don't like it, it's in the same category as green veggies, I'll eat em if forced! | 13:15 |
| popey | dont use it then? | 13:15 |
| popey | I have loads of stuff installed i never use | 13:15 |
| czajkowski | popey: aye, I'm just a lil odd in my organising of my machine, i tend not to have things installed that I don't use. but tis back now so hopeully things wont keep crashing | 13:15 |
| popey | well its not that firefox was missing that was the problem, its that it takes out ubuntu-desktop which is annoying | 13:16 |
| popey | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/stats-show-ubuntu-not-losing-ground-to-linux-mint/ | 13:16 |
| popey | made me smile | 13:16 |
| andylockran | bigcalm: why the prod? | 13:16 |
| ali1234 | popey: they don't mention that in jan 2011 ubuntu had 33M hits in those statistics | 13:24 |
| ali1234 | and therefore unity drove away around 10% of ubuntu's users by their own metric | 13:25 |
| czajkowski | popey: aye tis rather unfortunate it removes the others, but lesson learnt | 13:25 |
| popey | i dont believe the growth would be linear ali1234 | 13:26 |
| ali1234 | if it was linear i could just look at the october result and say it drove away 50% of users | 13:26 |
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| popey | i dont believe it's as simple as that | 13:27 |
| ali1234 | what is it then? | 13:27 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | One other interesting thing to note is the number of 10.04, 10.10 visits vs 11.10 (why no 11.04?) Anyway - stats are easy to interpret however you want to ;-) | 13:27 |
| ali1234 | probably because 11.04 was shockingly bad? | 13:28 |
| popey | I am not drawing any conclusions from those numbers at all | 13:28 |
| popey | it just made me smile | 13:28 |
| popey | there's too many variables involved | 13:28 |
| ali1234 | i would be surprised if anyone was still using it the week after 11.10 was released | 13:28 |
| popey | but the number of ubuntu users (I believe) doesn't waver around in the millions per month | 13:28 |
| ali1234 | i think there is an extremely high amount of churn | 13:29 |
| ali1234 | with all operating systems | 13:29 |
| ali1234 | the question is only do people churn in faster than they churn out? | 13:29 |
| popey | amongst a certain set of the echo chamber of geeks on the internet, maybe | 13:29 |
| ali1234 | no, it's more like "among anyone under the age of 25" | 13:30 |
| ali1234 | considering that linux, by those stats, is still 0.5% | 13:30 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: we get it you don't like unity, there are also loads of people that do, you can't base everything on your opinion, the most interesting thing I see from the stats is both projects got additional hits which is good for Linux as a whole | 13:30 |
| ali1234 | davmor2: ubuntu didn't get additional hits, they are down 10% since this time last year. that's a fact demonstrated by the stats, not my opinion | 13:31 |
| sagaci | stats of one site | 13:32 |
| sagaci | must be legit | 13:32 |
| ali1234 | anyway, as i was saying, if 1 in 10 computer owners tries out ubuntu for 1 month each year, that's 0.5% already | 13:32 |
| AlanBell | well it is a somewhat better site than distrowatch to base stats on! | 13:32 |
| ali1234 | so as you can see, it doesn't take very much *constant* users to keep these statistics at the current level | 13:33 |
| ali1234 | and there is no way to measure how long people stay for | 13:34 |
| ali1234 | perhaps you could count the number of distro upgrades somehow | 13:35 |
| ali1234 | probably not accurate tho, i know i like to do a fresh install rather than upgrades | 13:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Someone should write a "phone home" app for the Linux kernel ;-) | 13:37 |
| popey | i think we do count distro upgrades | 13:37 |
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| popey | TheOpenSourcerer: been suggested by a lot of people over the years | 13:38 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I _was_ joking. | 13:38 |
| popey | they werent | 13:38 |
| gord | i'd like to write a firefox survey like thing for ubuntu sometime | 13:41 |
| gord | would be very useful | 13:41 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Anyone ever come across any Open Source Physical Security Software systems? i.e. for building access etc. | 13:44 |
| * bigcalm shivers his way back into the channel | 13:44 | |
| ali1234 | gord: like test pilot? that's what i was saying the other day... | 13:47 |
| daubers | TheOpenSourcerer: No commercial ones | 13:48 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I found this, which suggests not, as the author is an "expert" and this is less than 12months old. :-( | 13:50 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Phwoar... http://www.greatcurryrecipes.net/2012/02/10/how-to-make-british-indian-restaurant-bir-style-onion-bhajis/ | 13:52 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I love onion bhajis :-D | 13:53 |
| daubers | TheOpenSourcerer: The various hackspaces have ones, but not off the shelf type things | 13:55 |
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| davmor2 | mrevell: by the way bzr add has fixed everything I am once again a happy bunny | 14:23 |
| mrevell | davmor2, Great! | 14:24 |
| ali1234 | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Amam7h6Tso0TdDl5UGtHempRWkRtQUhNRnVhOXp3ZlE#gid=0 | 14:25 |
| davmor2 | mrevell: out of interest is there a nice overview somewhere of all the commands? By nice I mean not man-esque | 14:25 |
| mrevell | davmor2, Not sure. otp just now. | 14:26 |
| davmor2 | haha I would be more surprised if you weren't :) | 14:27 |
| ali1234 | i must admit that even i didn't expect that strong of a trend | 14:29 |
| popey | ali1234: didnt we have a bug in firefox recently where we were mis-identifying ourselves? | 14:59 |
| ali1234 | no idea | 14:59 |
| ali1234 | what was it misidentifying as? | 14:59 |
| popey | pretty sure we went for a while with linux in the UA but missed the ubuntu release or something | 14:59 |
| popey | i cant remember the details | 14:59 |
| popey | but it made it harder to identify ubuntu users as a result, which _could_ be a contributing factor to the stats being skewy | 15:00 |
| popey | *shrug* | 15:00 |
| ali1234 | unless that bug was for pretty much all the 10.04 release, it doesn't look good | 15:00 |
| popey | bug 709125 | 15:01 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 709125 in AptUrlRedirector "User agent doesn't include Ubuntu in it so apt.ubuntu.com doesn't work" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709125 | 15:01 |
| popey | hmm | 15:01 |
| ali1234 | looks like that was fixed before release? | 15:01 |
| popey | not sure thats the one | 15:01 |
| popey | meh | 15:01 |
| Josssse | Hey. I'm trying to configure keyboard shortcuts for xubuntu. Does anyone know the commands for volume controlling? | 15:02 |
| ali1234 | still doesn't explain the unprecidented amount of users clinging to 10.04 :) | 15:02 |
| diplo | It's an LTS maybe ? | 15:03 |
| diplo | I still run 10.04 on my revo as it works well | 15:03 |
| hamitron | LTS is my only reason ;) | 15:03 |
| ali1234 | ah yeah 9.04 wasn't a LTS | 15:03 |
| hamitron | pure laziness :/ | 15:03 |
| ali1234 | i wonder why they don't have stats for 9.10 | 15:04 |
| ali1234 | also notice that the recent upswing in the last few months appears to be caused almost entirely by 10.04 users | 15:04 |
| hamitron | upswing? | 15:05 |
| ali1234 | hamitron: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Amam7h6Tso0TdDl5UGtHempRWkRtQUhNRnVhOXp3ZlE#gid=0 | 15:05 |
| hamitron | ty | 15:06 |
| ali1234 | there is a lot of data missing. it's very unscientific | 15:06 |
| ali1234 | but a swing like that isn't random error | 15:06 |
| hamitron | isn't 11.10 supported till around the same date as 10.04, but with newer software? | 15:07 |
| ali1234 | no? | 15:07 |
| hamitron | 3 years for 10.04 | 15:07 |
| hamitron | thought it was 18 months for others | 15:07 |
| ali1234 | 5 years for LTS, 2 years for the rest, except for some packages which are 6 months | 15:07 |
| hamitron | 3 years for LTS on the desktop | 15:08 |
| popey | 5 now | 15:08 |
| hamitron | oh, nice | 15:08 |
| popey | (for 12.04) | 15:08 |
| hamitron | but for 10.04 it is 3 still? | 15:08 |
| popey | i think so | 15:08 |
| ali1234 | also the main difference between 10.04 and 11.10 is 10.04 has gnome 2, 11.10 has unity or gnome shell | 15:08 |
| hamitron | 11.10 is up-to-date too | 15:08 |
| diplo | popey, what are you running ony our revo's now ? | 15:09 |
| diplo | I've debated about running XBMC's new XBMCuntu | 15:09 |
| ali1234 | i don't trust my html scraper tbh | 15:09 |
| ali1234 | i might have to recompile these numbers by hand | 15:09 |
| hamitron | but for someone who wants ubuntu on a desktop, most will choose the one with the latest software if they are supported till the same time..... is my point | 15:10 |
| ali1234 | well that's not what these statistics say | 15:10 |
| jpds | There are lies, damned lies and statistics. | 15:11 |
| ali1234 | will be interesting to see what happens in 2013 :) | 15:11 |
| hamitron | I'm sort of interested in 12.04 again now | 15:11 |
| hamitron | :/ | 15:11 |
| hamitron | 5 years support is ace | 15:11 |
| ali1234 | do you even have any computers that can run it? | 15:12 |
| hamitron | :-o | 15:12 |
| hamitron | I got maybe 5 or 6 | 15:12 |
| ali1234 | maybe you could make a cluster to network render the UI | 15:12 |
| hamitron | hehe | 15:12 |
| hamitron | well, nothing to stop me using slower machines as thin clients? | 15:12 |
| ali1234 | uh... nothing except accelerated graphics are required | 15:13 |
| hamitron | oh | 15:13 |
| ali1234 | unless you want to use -2d | 15:13 |
| ali1234 | or gnome shell fallback | 15:13 |
| hamitron | well, I may upgrade | 15:13 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 15:13 |
| hamitron | I've already decided older machines are staying on something different for now | 15:14 |
| hamitron | as there is no point trying to get something like ubuntu working on machines it is not targeted for | 15:14 |
| hamitron | so what gpu will it need? | 15:15 |
| ali1234 | a fast one with open source drivers | 15:16 |
| ali1234 | ie one that doesn't exist | 15:16 |
| hamitron | hehe | 15:16 |
| hamitron | wonder why 8.04 has an increase | 15:18 |
| ali1234 | that's probably in line with random error | 15:18 |
| ali1234 | the 10.04 increase is much bigger | 15:18 |
| ali1234 | i'm wondering more why the last row is messed up | 15:19 |
| hamitron | that too | 15:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | diplo: You missed out quite an important "b" in your 15:09 post! I thought "Nah. They wouldn't possibly call it THAT". | 15:19 |
| diplo | :D | 15:20 |
| diplo | Oopos | 15:20 |
| diplo | on your* | 15:20 |
| diplo | and I'm sure that's what they called it, maybe im wrong | 15:20 |
| diplo | :P | 15:21 |
| hamitron | time for tea and cakes | 15:21 |
| hamitron | :D | 15:21 |
| hamitron | brb | 15:21 |
| popey | diplo: xbmc on both my revos | 15:21 |
| diplo | yeah what version OS ? | 15:21 |
| * ali1234 posts charts on omgubuntu and waits for the inevitable flamewar | 15:37 | |
| popey | ali1234: you've seen the bit at the top of http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm | 15:46 |
| popey | about data loss | 15:47 |
| ali1234 | to mobile sites | 15:47 |
| ali1234 | oh, also 7% loss? | 15:47 |
| === joar_ is now known as CosmicB | ||
| popey | ya | 15:47 |
| ali1234 | that still doesn't account for the 50% drop in hits :) | 15:48 |
| popey | heh | 15:48 |
| popey | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/firefox/8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.11.10.3 | 15:48 |
| popey | * Modify the UA string to add "Ubuntu" to the platform component | 15:48 |
| ali1234 | was that also broken in natty? | 15:49 |
| ali1234 | cos that would explain a lot | 15:49 |
| popey | i don't know | 15:50 |
| ali1234 | it still doesn't explain the growth in 10.04 though | 15:52 |
| ali1234 | did some government do 1 million installs or something? | 15:52 |
| popey | ali1234: yeah, it's an interesting question | 15:55 |
| popey | the popularity of 10.04 doesn't entirely surprise me | 15:55 |
| popey | will 10.04 be our xp ☺ | 15:56 |
| ali1234 | it was an extremely good release | 15:56 |
| ali1234 | heh, yeah | 15:56 |
| popey | was 11.04 our vista, and 12.04 our 7 ? | 15:56 |
| ali1234 | maybe | 15:56 |
| ali1234 | i think there's still a way to go and a few more u-turns to be made | 15:56 |
| popey | haha | 15:57 |
| popey | what kinds of u-turns? | 15:57 |
| popey | switching to GNU/Hurd | 15:57 |
| ali1234 | nah, just individual design decisions | 15:57 |
| * popey notes some might take offence at 'u-turn' and might prefer 'design iteration' ;) | 15:58 | |
| ali1234 | unity isn't really that bad, just some small parts of it are incredibly annoying. like the way overlay scrollbars are implemented, and the way window switching works | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | i mean a really good design you don;t even notice it | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | that's why people have such a hard time explaining why they don't like unity, and just engage in flamewars instead | 15:59 |
| ali1234 | those people obviously aren't UI designers, so telling them to go away and make their own thing if they don't like it isn't really helpful | 15:59 |
| ali1234 | i actually like the always-hide thing | 16:00 |
| ali1234 | i mean it's hidden 99% of the time anyway | 16:01 |
| ali1234 | i'd like it to be less annoying to reveal it though | 16:01 |
| AlanBell | that has changed | 16:01 |
| ali1234 | sensitivity on edge push and monitor edge crossing is too low | 16:01 |
| AlanBell | it is always-show this week | 16:01 |
| popey | today | 16:01 |
| ali1234 | sometimes it takes be 5 or 6 tries to get from one monitor to the other | 16:01 |
| popey | yeah, like your mouse going through treacle between screens | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | yeah but you can configure always-hide or always-show | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | dodge was just too buggy | 16:02 |
| AlanBell | not for long ... | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | well if they remove always hide I AM GOING TO QUIT FOREVER etc | 16:02 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: you can increase the sensitivity and then you don't hit it | 16:02 |
| popey | #archlinux is → that way | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | davmor2: how? | 16:03 |
| AlanBell | I think the monitor divsion treacle things should not be there if I am dragging a window | 16:03 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: yes absolutely agreed | 16:03 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: it is in system setting Appearance behaviour reveal sensitivity I got mine on high for my laptop due to the track pad and it is fine | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | assasasas | 16:04 |
| AlanBell | I will try and finish the window quicklists thing this weekend, I think that will help a lot | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | a wild bug appears | 16:05 |
| ali1234 | davmor2: cool. that's new. it affects multimonitor edge resistance too it seems | 16:05 |
| ali1234 | still i'd much rather have the launcher on the left side of the left monitor and the right side of the right monitor | 16:06 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: not so sure about multi-monitor I don't have it setup | 16:06 |
| ali1234 | haha this dialogue is buggy | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | it says displays that "you are not using default settings" message only if you are using default settings | 16:07 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: you might want to keep your eyes open on that one as there might be more features thrown at it maybe, I only noticed due to OMGubuntu :) | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | yeah lets hope so | 16:09 |
| Josssse | Hello boys and girls. I'm trying to install ubuntuone. After I apt-get the installer, I run it and when I click on the "I already have an account!" link it does nothing. I see no "connect to ubuntu" window. Any ideas? | 16:22 |
| popey | uhm | 16:22 |
| popey | ubuntu one is installed by default on ubuntu | 16:22 |
| popey | what are you installing it on? | 16:23 |
| Josssse | I'm in xubuntu. | 16:23 |
| popey | probably better off asking in #ubuntuone | 16:23 |
| popey | thats where the developers hang out, and they're a nice bunch | 16:24 |
| Josssse | The funny thing is that I did it simultanieously on my laptop and it works just fin. | 16:24 |
| Josssse | Ahhh, thanks popey . Didn't know this channel existed. | 16:24 |
| s-fox | Goodbye. | 16:58 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Amazing conclusions really: http://digital.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/2012/02/10/west-coast/ | 16:59 |
| ali1234 | oh jesus, now i'll need a paypal acct to pay my taxes? | 17:02 |
| ali1234 | DO NOT WANT | 17:02 |
| hamitron | I'm sure they'll take your money off you any way they can | 17:04 |
| hamitron | just make it harder to get refunds ;) | 17:04 |
| === tonytige1 is now known as tonytiger | ||
| diplo | evening all | 18:56 |
| BigRedS | g'morning | 18:58 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 19:07 |
| * MartijnVdS plays with the arduino | 19:07 | |
| === diplo- is now known as diplo | ||
| cliftonts | hi all | 19:11 |
| cliftonts | AlanBell: Just thought I'd check if you're stopping by this weekend and if so what day? | 19:11 |
| mattt | omg it's col | 21:07 |
| mattt | and i can't get my house to heat up fast enough | 21:07 |
| mattt | *cold | 21:07 |
| gordonjcp | METAR EGPF 102050Z 00000KT 6000 -DZ SCT012 BKN016 04/02 Q1032 | 21:11 |
| gordonjcp | :-) | 21:11 |
| gordonjcp | clouds clearing, 4C | 21:11 |
| * gordonjcp listens to the cheery WHUMP of some more dead dinosaurs being turned into heat | 21:11 | |
| BigRedS | I like to think there was something other than just gordonjcp involved in that translation | 21:12 |
| gordonjcp | BigRedS: hm? | 21:13 |
| BigRedS | from that all caps to "clouds clearing, 4C". I assumed the former inferred the latter in some way | 21:13 |
| BigRedS | mostly because it began "MET" | 21:13 |
| gordonjcp | BigRedS: METAR indicates it's a METAR report, EGPF is Glasgow Airport, 102050Z is 10th day of the month, 2050 Zulu time (GMT, near as) | 21:14 |
| gordonjcp | 00000kt is no wind, 6000 is 6km visibility | 21:14 |
| gordonjcp | -DZ I don't know offhand, SCT012 scattered clouds at 1200', BKN016 is broken clouds at 1600' | 21:15 |
| BigRedS | ah, fair enough. I'll let you off | 21:15 |
| BigRedS | ish | 21:15 |
| MartijnVdS | ooh mr pilot man ;) | 21:15 |
| gordonjcp | 04/02 is 4C with 2C dew point, Q1032 is air pressure at the airfield (for setting altimeters) | 21:15 |
| BigRedS | wait, the windspeed is padded so as to allow for over 10000 knots? | 21:16 |
| gordonjcp | sorry, wrong way round | 21:16 |
| gordonjcp | Q1032 is QNH, or air pressure at mean sea level | 21:17 |
| gordonjcp | no, it has direction too | 21:17 |
| BigRedS | ah yeah | 21:17 |
| BigRedS | that'd be handy, too | 21:17 |
| BigRedS | clearly they've thought this through :) | 21:17 |
| gordonjcp | so if it was 27710KT it would be 10 knots at 277 degrees | 21:18 |
| BigRedS | ah, right | 21:18 |
| gordonjcp | -DZ is apparently "light drizzle" | 21:18 |
| MartijnVdS | kelvin? fahrenus? Celsenheit? | 21:18 |
| BigRedS | I've some perverse desire to go away and learn all this now... | 21:18 |
| gordonjcp | MartijnVdS: direction | 21:19 |
| MartijnVdS | gordonjcp: ah.. *stupid me* :) | 21:19 |
| MartijnVdS | "there's a 277°C wind..." | 21:19 |
| * MartijnVdS runs | 21:19 | |
| BigRedS | haha | 21:20 |
| AlanBell | MartijnVdS: it is a touch colder than 277K right now | 21:41 |
| diplo | :P | 21:42 |
| diplo | I can attest to that, bloody cold out there, can't get warm in this house tonight | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | right, back to dbus and signals and callbacks | 21:43 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: add wine will all work then | 21:43 |
| AlanBell | already had some pink stuff with bubbles in it | 21:44 |
| DethSone | hey people! | 21:52 |
| zleap | hi] | 21:53 |
| DethSone | I have not used IRC in quite a while, how do I go about reg'ing my name on the server again? | 21:53 |
| zleap | not sure on freenode | 21:53 |
| DethSone | there's a command, but I forgot it | 21:54 |
| DethSone | it requires a username, password and e-mail | 21:54 |
| AlanBell | !register | 21:54 |
| lubotu3 | Information about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode | 21:54 |
| zleap | ah | 21:55 |
| zleap | thanks | 21:55 |
| DethSone | I can not be bothered to go to that link, could you please jus' type an example, but put a space before the example command so it doesn't work? | 21:56 |
| zleap | /msg nickserv register password_of_your_choice your@email.address | 21:57 |
| zleap | then check e-mail | 21:58 |
| DethSone | THANK YOU! | 21:58 |
| zleap | np | 21:58 |
| DethSone | :-) | 21:58 |
| zleap | /msg nickserv identify your_nickname your_chosen_password | 21:58 |
| zleap | then use the above when you next come inor set ur client to do that automatically | 21:59 |
| AlanBell | yay, callbacks work. QI time. | 21:59 |
| DethSone | ah, the good ol' days, I remember doing that, like every day man! | 21:59 |
| zleap | me too | 21:59 |
| zleap | anyway welcome to irc and #ubuntu-uk | 22:00 |
| DethSone | I'm only 17yrs old, but it has been about a year since I last used IRC | 22:00 |
| zleap | cool | 22:00 |
| zleap | its nice that in this age of text messaging, e-mail etc irc is still popular | 22:00 |
| DethSone | IRC is THE BEST form of online communication in my opinion | 22:00 |
| zleap | yeah | 22:00 |
| zleap | easier too, | 22:01 |
| DethSone | so nice and standardized to use, and there are so many clients for it!, even ones for phones! | 22:02 |
| zleap | DethSone, may also be interested in #ubuntu-youth, which is kinda quiet but thats due to it needing more people | 22:02 |
| zleap | yeah | 22:02 |
| DethSone | you know what, once I reg this new nick, I will check out that chan | 22:02 |
| zleap | ok | 22:02 |
| DethSone | haha, the last time I was using IRC was when I was trolin' AnonOps network XD | 22:03 |
| DethSone | good times | 22:03 |
| zleap | i used irc back in 1995 | 22:03 |
| zleap | got auto kicked once for using caps by accident | 22:03 |
| DethSone | haha, 1 yr after I was born! | 22:03 |
| zleap | back in the early days of linux that too | 22:04 |
| DethSone | IRC is so flexible, depending on the client of-course | 22:04 |
| === jutnux is now known as jutnux|away | ||
| gordonjcp | 1995 wasn't the early days of Linux | 22:04 |
| zleap | well 1991 was then | 22:04 |
| zleap | early years then | 22:05 |
| DethSone | IRC sure has gone a long way from a hacky terminal. | 22:05 |
| zleap | its sitll useful having a console irc client | 22:05 |
| zleap | just in case there are issues with the gui | 22:05 |
| gordonjcp | by 1995 it was mainstream, and I'd moved on to NetBSD | 22:05 |
| gordonjcp | zleap: I don't see the point in a GUI IRC client | 22:05 |
| gordonjcp | irssi + screen | 22:05 |
| zleap | ok | 22:05 |
| gordonjcp | watch? | 22:06 |
| gordonjcp | there, now I'm on my android tablet, sitting on my sofa | 22:06 |
| zleap | i can use irc via ssh | 22:06 |
| zleap | if i ssh into my other computers | 22:06 |
| gordonjcp | zleap: yup | 22:06 |
| DethSone | I dis-agree, I think the command line was really holding IRC back | 22:06 |
| gordonjcp | I'm ssh'ed into one of my servers, which runs irssi inside screen | 22:06 |
| gordonjcp | DethSone: really irssi is a GUI app | 22:07 |
| DethSone | IRC is SOOOOOO much nicer to work with as a GUI | 22:07 |
| gordonjcp | DethSone: in what way? | 22:07 |
| DethSone | XChat is my fav IRC client, is also the most dominant, and it's obvious why. | 22:08 |
| zleap | yeah but if your gui breaks, or in my case the other day didn't load due to ubuntu-desktop being removed, the only option would be to either log in elsewhere or use the console client | 22:08 |
| gordonjcp | DethSone: it's not obvious to me... | 22:08 |
| DethSone | consoles break too | 22:08 |
| Azelphur | ^ wat | 22:08 |
| Azelphur | I prefer GUI clients, but consoles break? | 22:08 |
| gordonjcp | DethSone: if I use xchat, how can I switch from one computer to another? | 22:08 |
| zleap | i was thinking as a back up plan having it installed | 22:08 |
| Azelphur | gordonjcp: with a BNC, I can use a native client on any platform I like and be connected to IRC | 22:09 |
| DethSone | log into it on another device? | 22:09 |
| zleap | it is there if you need it then | 22:09 |
| gordonjcp | DethSone: right, and that'll have all my scrollback? | 22:09 |
| Azelphur | DethSone: yep, with a BNC you get scrollback too | 22:09 |
| gordonjcp | Azelphur: I never really had much success with BNCs | 22:09 |
| DethSone | I'm sure there is a work-around | 22:09 |
| gordonjcp | I find GUIs too hard | 22:09 |
| DethSone | a plugin maybe | 22:09 |
| Azelphur | *shrug* Been using ZNC for years now, it's awesome | 22:09 |
| Azelphur | I connect with pidgin/yaaic/xchat/... | 22:10 |
| gordonjcp | click on whatever weirdass little squiggle the author has decided they want to use for some function, try to guess what it does | 22:10 |
| zleap | freenode is or was blocked by south west grid for learning, who provide the network stuff to my local library, | 22:10 |
| DethSone | XChat = the future of IRC | 22:10 |
| gordonjcp | toomuch like work | 22:10 |
| gordonjcp | zleap: bet ssh isn't | 22:10 |
| gordonjcp | DethSone: what does xchat actually do that's so great? | 22:10 |
| zleap | gordonjcp, good idea | 22:10 |
| Azelphur | DethSone: xchat is ancient | 22:10 |
| DethSone | have you ever used XChat? | 22:11 |
| Azelphur | Yes. | 22:11 |
| gordonjcp | a long time ago | 22:11 |
| gordonjcp | I used it, it sucked | 22:11 |
| zleap | well i used my local lug server for irc, that isn't blocked | 22:11 |
| DethSone | try it today | 22:11 |
| gordonjcp | why? | 22:11 |
| zleap | guys i think u need to agree to disagree on stuff | 22:11 |
| Azelphur | I have tried it today, it's largely not different to how it was a lot of years ago | 22:11 |
| gordonjcp | what could it possibly do that irssi doesn't, that I actually want? | 22:11 |
| gordonjcp | the screenshot don't look a whole lot different | 22:11 |
| DethSone | I'm sure there was a shit load of development for XChat, now is perfect | 22:11 |
| gordonjcp | DethSone: it's a GUI app, is there a terminal version? | 22:12 |
| diplo | I use xchat, quite liked irssi but could never get it set up correctly | 22:12 |
| zleap | a few of my local lug still use stuff like mutt for e-mail, i tried alpine and found it pretty good actually | 22:12 |
| gordonjcp | diplo: startup channels are a bit of an arse | 22:12 |
| gordonjcp | I use mutt as a backup | 22:13 |
| DethSone | at-least XChat is not like Empaphy | 22:13 |
| DethSone | ugh | 22:13 |
| diplo | What i hate about xchat is no tiling | 22:13 |
| gordonjcp | it's awfully handy when I'm ssh'ed into the server anyway | 22:13 |
| zleap | gordonjcp, yeah, this was my point earlier having console clients installed is handy | 22:13 |
| zleap | anyway got a lug meet tomorrow | 22:14 |
| gordonjcp | _2E0BXQ: de MM0YEQ GE OM | 22:14 |
| zleap | i am sure i had my system set up once so I could ssh in via my netbook and a usb mobile broadband dongle | 22:14 |
| DethSone | I think I can at-least speak for everyone here when I say, as pretty and user-friendly as Empathy is, it is a fail IRC client. | 22:15 |
| gordonjcp | zleap: easy enough | 22:15 |
| zleap | yeah | 22:15 |
| gordonjcp | DethSone: I never really got my head round either empathy or pidgin as an IRC client | 22:15 |
| gordonjcp | the whole model is wrong | 22:15 |
| zleap | DethSone, never used it, i just like using xchat | 22:15 |
| DethSone | I mean, XChat has gotta be better than Empathy right? | 22:15 |
| gordonjcp | I *am* interested in writing an Empathy plugin for AX.25 though | 22:15 |
| Azelphur | DethSone: XChat hasn't seen much active development in a very long time | 22:15 |
| Azelphur | DethSone: it's very much the same now as it was 10 years ago | 22:15 |
| zleap | we don't want develiopment and added bloat | 22:16 |
| DethSone | Azelphur, it hasn't needed any. | 22:16 |
| Azelphur | DethSone: indeed | 22:16 |
| zleap | if it ain't broke don't fix it | 22:16 |
| Azelphur | ^ :P | 22:16 |
| zleap | i need to set that ssh thing up again, and show some of the kids at the rugby club why Ubuntu is good | 22:17 |
| zleap | i also need to figure out what is missing and stopping the game pad working properly on open arena | 22:17 |
| DethSone | well, I'm sure you all here have valid points about your choice of IRC clients, if you like them, good for you, but I think my heart is set on XChat. | 22:17 |
| zleap | yeah, | 22:18 |
| Azelphur | hehe, it's a good client, I got nothing against it :) | 22:18 |
| gordonjcp | yeah | 22:18 |
| gordonjcp | I just prefer being able to hop on quickly and check IRC when I'm out and about | 22:18 |
| DethSone | gordonjcp: what client you use, I might try it | 22:18 |
| gordonjcp | DethSone: irssi, which I run inside screen on one of my servers | 22:18 |
| gordonjcp | DethSone: just sits there in the background, until I connect | 22:19 |
| DethSone | that's a CLI based client righ'? | 22:19 |
| zleap | yeah | 22:19 |
| gordonjcp | it's worth pointing out that at any given moment I have ssh connections from about three or four "user" machines (laptops, desktops, PC in the van) to three or four servers ;-) | 22:20 |
| DethSone | meh, I could live with that, but I wouldn't like it much. | 22:20 |
| gordonjcp | I seriously don't get what xchat offers | 22:20 |
| gordonjcp | I'm looking at a screenshot | 22:20 |
| gordonjcp | it looks much like the terminal window I have open, with an IRC channel scrolling up it | 22:20 |
| gordonjcp | except it's got a list of channels at one side and a list of usernames at the other | 22:20 |
| zleap | DethSone, useful to have when you can ssh in and use it | 22:20 |
| DethSone | gordonjcp: easy menu selections and easy to navigate list of channels, + a shit load of other useful features, and a layout to die for. | 22:21 |
| gordonjcp | menu selections of what? | 22:21 |
| gordonjcp | and, what could be easier than pressing a key on the keyboard to select which channel you want? | 22:22 |
| zleap | most of the menus u can access via commands anyway | 22:22 |
| DethSone | gordonjcp: you'd have-to use it | 22:22 |
| gordonjcp | DethSone: I don't think I'd like it, tbh | 22:22 |
| gordonjcp | DethSone: I just don't find GUI apps easy to use | 22:22 |
| DethSone | I've seen screenshots, they don't make it look good. | 22:22 |
| DethSone | gordonjcp: okay ol' timer XD | 22:23 |
| zleap | i guess its like comaring word with emacs | 22:23 |
| gordonjcp | so, to change channels, I'd have to take my hand off the keyboard, find the mouse, wibble it about until I find the mouse pointer, mouse over to the channel list, click it, and switch back to the keyboard | 22:23 |
| gordonjcp | *or* | 22:23 |
| DethSone | ay ef kay | 22:23 |
| gordonjcp | I could press <ESCAPE> <0> | 22:23 |
| gordonjcp | there are very few GUI apps that don't flat out suck | 22:23 |
| gordonjcp | mostly because the people who write GUI apps are focused on the shiny | 22:24 |
| gordonjcp | and not the actual workflow | 22:24 |
| gordonjcp | fuck the shiny | 22:24 |
| zleap | LaTeX ftw | 22:24 |
| gordonjcp | get the workflow right and the shiny will become obvious | 22:24 |
| * mgdm looks for te Show Desktop button in Unity | 22:24 | |
| zleap | alt-tab | 22:24 |
| gordonjcp | mgdm: that's on a key I don't even have | 22:24 |
| zleap | well it is in 11.10 anyway | 22:25 |
| gordonjcp | it's mapped to a button that wasn't invented when my IBM Model M was built | 22:25 |
| mgdm | zleap: not in unity 2d, at least | 22:25 |
| zleap | hmm | 22:25 |
| zleap | dunno then | 22:25 |
| zleap | can you add it | 22:25 |
| zleap | hi | 22:26 |
| zleap | well i will try and promote irc where i can | 22:26 |
| zleap | i need to also promote ubuntu | 22:26 |
| zleap | :) | 22:26 |
| popey | zleap: meet issyl0 | 22:27 |
| zleap | yeah | 22:27 |
| popey | you mailed the list about http://codingforkids.org/wiki/Contacts_page | 22:27 |
| issyl0 | Huh? | 22:27 |
| popey | issyl0: is on that page | 22:27 |
| zleap | oh | 22:27 |
| zleap | sorry missed that | 22:28 |
| issyl0 | Hahah. | 22:28 |
| issyl0 | Wow. | 22:28 |
| popey | ☺ | 22:28 |
| zleap | hi issyl0 | 22:28 |
| issyl0 | I didn't actually realise that. | 22:28 |
| issyl0 | :D | 22:28 |
| issyl0 | Hello. | 22:28 |
| popey | yeah, bet you dont ever get any contact via that page do you issyl0 ? | 22:28 |
| issyl0 | Nope. | 22:28 |
| popey | thought not | 22:28 |
| zleap | i have posted to the list, | 22:28 |
| issyl0 | zleap: Which list? | 22:28 |
| zleap | coding 4 kids | 22:28 |
| issyl0 | Ah. | 22:29 |
| zleap | Asked about YRS posters | 22:29 |
| issyl0 | Ah, yeah. | 22:29 |
| issyl0 | There were some for last year - they'll probably make some for this year too. | 22:29 |
| issyl0 | They'd be silly not to. | 22:29 |
| zleap | josh pickett is doing some now, will be ready for the 12th | 22:29 |
| issyl0 | Yeah, cool. | 22:30 |
| zleap | I can give em out at park field and this computing group, hopefully | 22:30 |
| issyl0 | Josh is brilliant. | 22:30 |
| zleap | well contacting schools etc is a waste of time, they are clueless or e-mail goes to the clueless which means info does not get to the people its aimed at | 22:31 |
| zleap | setting up computer programming group, so can promote directly | 22:31 |
| issyl0 | Heh, cool. :-) | 22:31 |
| zleap | :) | 22:31 |
| zleap | not sure if it should be a coding group or hacking (as in programmer sense) group, as latter would also cover hard ware hacking | 22:32 |
| issyl0 | zleap: Start small, work up. | 22:32 |
| zleap | yeah | 22:32 |
| zleap | well once a crb is done, then the local youth centre are going to promote it | 22:32 |
| issyl0 | Heh, CRB checks. | 22:33 |
| issyl0 | Bleh. | 22:33 |
| zleap | yeah | 22:33 |
| zleap | i want to encourage peer supported development as in help each other etc | 22:34 |
| zleap | but also hopefully get people in to OSS projects as that is real world development | 22:34 |
| issyl0 | 4 | 22:35 |
| issyl0 | Gah. | 22:35 |
| zleap | ? | 22:35 |
| zleap | will see what happens anyway | 22:36 |
| zleap | so which sounds better coding group or hacking group ? | 22:36 |
| zleap | wb imexil | 22:37 |
| zleap | wb imperial | 22:37 |
| zleap | grrrr | 22:37 |
| zleap | wb imperial | 22:38 |
| zleap | hello Pernig | 22:41 |
| Pernig | evning | 22:42 |
| zleap | how are u | 22:42 |
| zleap | ok what do i need for tomorrows lug meet | 22:43 |
| zleap | netbook, ubuntu cd's poster for next months meet, :D, 11.10 poster | 22:44 |
| Pernig | good thanks | 22:47 |
| Pernig | you? | 22:47 |
| zleap | i am good | 22:47 |
| Pernig | SD cards? | 22:48 |
| zleap | heading to bed early got lug meet tomorrow | 22:48 |
| zleap | i have usb flash disks | 22:48 |
| popey | gord: x220 claims it can get another 5 hours out of this 9 cell with the brightness on minimum and the kb light on | 22:49 |
| mgdm | nice | 22:51 |
| * mgdm wants one of those | 22:51 | |
| zleap | lol pc world site FAIL | 22:52 |
| zleap | sort by prce low to high, lists with the most expensive first | 22:52 |
| zleap | sort by high to lowl lists cheapest first | 22:52 |
| ali1234 | ooo libc update | 22:54 |
| zleap | chat later | 22:58 |
| DethSone | I tried reging, but no conf mail, what I do? | 22:58 |
| AlanBell | ask in #freenode | 22:59 |
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| ali1234 | my apt has exploded again | 23:17 |
| ali1234 | and i now have 6 apport bugs trying to submit at the same time | 23:18 |
| ali1234 | and, oh look, the bug where it doesn't submit properly still isn't fixed | 23:18 |
| ali1234 | what's the command to manually redo apport bugreport when you only have a crashdump and it crashed the first time around? | 23:20 |
| gordonjcp | apportpocalyse now | 23:20 |
| ali1234 | oh yes, apport-cli | 23:22 |
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| ali1234 | i'm getting the "ubuntu-desktop is marked for removal but is in the removal blacklist" thing again :( | 23:54 |
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