[00:05] It works! [00:05] I sleep! [00:09] ok [00:17] windows for servers? lolz === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [06:05] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments Video Demo - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/10/ubuntu-accomplishments-video-demo/ === christel_ is now known as christel === Myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti === christel_ is now known as christel === matti__ is now known as matti [08:14] Morning all [08:14] Morning === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [08:34] morning morning [08:35] o/ === Daviey_ is now known as Daviey [09:23] oimon, gitorious.org/owncloud has a Android App [09:23] Will take a look later and let you know! [09:37] hrm, dejadup really can't do backups over ssh without asking for your password === gord_ is now known as gord [09:39] gord: ssh keys? [09:41] gordonjcp, yup [09:53] diplo: cool [09:54] i'm on u1 for the tomboy sync, but my job changes as of monday and i may be working a lot from laptop a lot and need cloud sync [09:55] good morning everyone, [09:57] hi [09:57] hi [09:57] hi [09:57] hi [09:57] hi# [09:57] doh [09:57] moo [09:57] you're up early brobostigon [09:57] anyone could help how to sync epub books from ubuntu to ipad? [09:58] oimon: it is 10am, i normally come on about this time dont i. ? [09:58] brobostigon: i realise i am time shifting today cos my train was excessively delayed [09:58] i'm thinking its 9am [09:58] oimon: ah, i see, :( [09:59] could be my last day here for a long while [09:59] why ? [10:00] got pulled onto another department for a bit [10:00] Got it installed and logged into my local owncloud [10:00] Can't see it does much yet though [10:00] :) [10:00] won't have much privacy or spare time [10:01] aspirin, best thing i can suggest is calibre [10:01] oimon: eeek, good luck. [10:01] no idea if it works with ipads [10:01] yeah brobostigon no extra moneys or aything [10:01] oimon: :( [10:02] oh right i remember usinit in windows, thanks alot [10:05] guys, have a question about those scammers who ring up "you have a virus on your PC, press super-R" [10:06] my mum admitted she'd spoken to them. she says she didn't give credit card details - what else do they try and do? [10:07] They might try and get you to install something nasty, or go to a nasty filled website [10:08] she told them she had antivirus, but i'm not sure if she knows exactly what happened on the PC (i.e. did she give remote acecss to someone) [10:09] they usually ask you to go to event viewer and just read out some numbers [10:09] most of them dont actually get you to install stuff [10:09] they just want you to pay for their stuff [10:10] oimon: They tried to get my dad to connect to a website which would give them remote desktop so they could run a scanner [10:10] popey: thanks, that tallies with something i'm reading on another site - she remembers that they said windows key+R [10:11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSFRtPus3DQ&feature=plcp&context=C3e52416UDOEgsToPDskJvZXCmlPIPvCP4Www6VdmK [10:11] guy managed to record the call and screencast what the guy was getting him to do [10:12] kids school is closed so they're home today [10:14] popey: unity :D [10:16] oimon: hmm? [10:16] the guy is on ubuntu with win VM :D [10:16] wasn't expecting that [10:17] ah ☺ [10:17] he does lots of ubuntu videos [10:18] hrm, i screwed up the dash code and made the dash about 18 pixels high. been using it like that for the past day and i must say, does pretty well for not being able to see the results, the first one is almost always what i wanted [10:19] heh === joar_ is now known as CosmicB [10:27] Oh, and good morning, world! Happy Friday! :) [10:27] YES! [10:29] Yay Friday [10:29] boo, wish it was wednesday [10:29] Hi peeps :) [10:41] ls [10:41] whoops x.x [10:41] gord: why, are you going on holiday? [10:41] nope [10:41] webpigeon_laptop: better than typing your password into a screen you think is locked :/ [10:41] feature freeze next week [10:42] kirrus: very true :P [10:42] gord: cool. Do you know where the discussion on replacing mysql with maria went in the end? [10:42] no idea [10:42] kirrus: although have done that before - Luckly a text editor had focus [10:43] hey guys [10:43] how does things? [10:43] I do not know. how does things andylockran ? [10:43] Hey andylockran, things does good :), yourself? [10:45] thigns does good with me [10:45] aside from my typing, which seems a bit out [10:46] anyone use the symfony framework? [10:47] andylockran, I think bigcalm or BigRedS do [10:47] Whoever runs myrant.net :) [10:47] * diplo forgets [10:47] bigcalm [10:48] * bigcalm looks up [10:49] Ah, yes, hello from Symfony land :D [10:50] Wow, somebody remembered that I run myrant.net? :D [10:50] andylockran: sup? === webpigeon_laptop is now known as webpigeon [10:54] morning all [10:54] czajkowski: prod [10:55] Hi davmor2 [10:55] davmor2: in 2 days in a row early [10:56] davmor2: I gave up with PHP, now coding in vb.net [10:56] czajkowski: only a few minutes [10:56] bigcalm: Quitter :P [10:57] bigcalm: go straight to the naughty step, vb! [10:57] :D [10:57] czajkowski: I've never felt so dirty in my whole career [10:57] bigcalm: consider yourself moved to the step fr good mister! [10:58] :O [10:58] It's crowded on here [10:59] hello! [10:59] im trying to follow the instructions, create bash script, into bin [11:00] ive pasted the script into an empty file in kate [11:00] now im trying to save into bin [11:00] but presumably i dont have permission [11:00] BadgerUK: what're 'the instructions' and do you know which 'bin' you're putting them in? [11:00] it should normally be the bin in your home directory [11:00] http://blog.deadlypenguin.com/blog/2011/05/03/using-meld-with-git-diff/ [11:00] that one you'll have permissions to write to [11:00] yeah the one in hme directory [11:01] BadgerUK: if it doesn't have to be a system wide script, you could set up a bin directory in your home dir. Include the path in your .bashrc [11:01] yeah, stick it in ~/bin [11:01] bigcalm: ~/bin is in put into $PATH if it exists [11:01] BigRedS: goodo [11:02] k, i am unable to paste anything into /bin or save [11:02] Yes, use the bin dir in your home directory [11:02] If it doesn't exist, create it [11:03] Note that ~/ is a shortcut to your own home dir [11:03] aha [11:03] im from a windows background if u hadnt already guessed :'( [11:03] For me, cd ~/ puts me in /home/iain [11:03] We have to start somewhere :) [11:04] lol [11:04] Also, please note that filenames and directory names are case sensitive in Linux [11:04] so the bash script is in my bin in my home directory, now im goign to change my git config to use the script [11:04] how does the git config file know the bash script is in my home bin? [11:04] instructions are: [diff] [11:04] external = git-meld [11:04] You'll also want to chmod the script so that you can run it without having to call it with sh [11:05] i think i know how to do that from playing with py exe [11:06] the external bit in external = git-meld. How does that know where external is? [11:09] I think external will be the name it is using to refer to an external program. The git-meld part will be what it needs to find. If it uses a normal environment to run the external command then it will search all the directories in your PATH environment variable for that command (and should find it in ~/bin) [11:09] ah [11:10] thanx guys [11:11] one day, many months from now; i'll be able to use linux aswel as windows [11:11] awww, mark didn't put real tags in his post [11:12] ☺ [11:16] * bigcalm prods andylockran [11:29] k, so i made a bash script called git-meld.sh, made it executable, put in it in ~/bin, updated my git config file to [diff] external = git-meld, and then tried git diff [11:29] i get the following error $ git diff [11:29] error: cannot run git-meld: No such file or directory [11:29] and as stated, im trying to follow these instructions http://blog.deadlypenguin.com/blog/2011/05/03/using-meld-with-git-diff/ [11:30] how do i specify the path for that script? [11:31] BadgerUK: try renaming git-meld.sh to 'git-meld' [11:31] in bin? [11:31] aye [11:31] cheers [11:31] will it keep its exectuable status if i change it? [11:32] it didn't work [11:32] same error [11:32] error: cannot run git-meld: No such file or directory [11:34] BadgerUK: if you open a terminal and run this, what do you get? echo $PATH [11:34] /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games [11:35] what purpose does path serve? [11:35] iain@revo:~$ echo $PATH [11:35] /home/iain/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games [11:35] Mine includes the bin dir in my home dir [11:36] but why have $PATH; is it like a shortcut area for programs to use? [11:37] It is the list of dirs that will be looked in (in order) for a given command [11:37] cool [11:37] thank you [11:37] big help xxx [11:40] back in 5 [11:40] Cool - Just got a letter from son's school. Tickets for Saracens vs Quins at Wembley (£15 adults and £5 kids). Looks like a good day out :-) [11:41] TheOpenSourcerer: your kids go to school today? [11:42] Yeah [11:42] No probs. [11:42] ours didnt, school closed [11:42] WTF? [11:42] There was only an inch or so of snow [11:42] yeah [11:42] its at the bottom of a hill, snow makes it somewhat annoying ☺ [11:45] popey: no kids here [11:49] Somebody has been able to insert a google ads script into a client's WordPress theme. As I've got the account id for the google ads account, is it possible to report this to Google somehow? [12:04] bigcalm: http://www.abuse.net/lookup.phtml?domain=google.com [12:05] Ah, ta === mrevell_ is now known as mrevell === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:19] y [12:19] whoop. Wrong pane [12:22] BigRedS: seems to be going around today [12:23] hrm, new gpu did not come with a little screw to screw it in... i'm sure it will be fine not screwed down.. yeah [12:29] until you wibble the dvi port [12:29] and it pops out of the pcie slot and locks the machine [12:40] * smittix is back to normal woo [12:42] popey, well the last gpu that i've had for about two years never got overly wibbled, so maybe it'll be okay ;) [12:45] dear software center why must you crash when I want to install items, not making my day run smoothly! [12:52] czajkowski: time to change to linux mint [12:53] I only have mints after dinner [12:53] filed a bug czajkowski ? [12:55] popey: aye just about to do so, kept happening last night in the middle of CC meeting with chrome crashing and trying to install FF [12:55] firefox should be installed by default [12:55] also, if you have removed firefox chances are you have probably removed ubuntu-desktop, so may be missing other good stuff [12:55] czajkowski: add you ~/.cache/software-center.log to the report [12:56] aye I suaully remove it tbh [12:56] hmm it crashed saying didnt install FF but actually did [12:57] bet if you run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" (with the caret, without the quotes) it pulls in loads of stuff [12:57] Oh, hello mr snow [12:58] popey: ahh ok will try that [13:02] 115 packages to install [13:02] lovely! [13:13] now.. don't remove firefox ☺ [13:15] I know.... I just don't like it, it's in the same category as green veggies, I'll eat em if forced! [13:15] dont use it then? [13:15] I have loads of stuff installed i never use [13:15] popey: aye, I'm just a lil odd in my organising of my machine, i tend not to have things installed that I don't use. but tis back now so hopeully things wont keep crashing [13:16] well its not that firefox was missing that was the problem, its that it takes out ubuntu-desktop which is annoying [13:16] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/stats-show-ubuntu-not-losing-ground-to-linux-mint/ [13:16] made me smile [13:16] bigcalm: why the prod? [13:24] popey: they don't mention that in jan 2011 ubuntu had 33M hits in those statistics [13:25] and therefore unity drove away around 10% of ubuntu's users by their own metric [13:25] popey: aye tis rather unfortunate it removes the others, but lesson learnt [13:26] i dont believe the growth would be linear ali1234 [13:26] if it was linear i could just look at the october result and say it drove away 50% of users === ts2 is now known as tsimpson [13:27] i dont believe it's as simple as that [13:27] what is it then? [13:27] One other interesting thing to note is the number of 10.04, 10.10 visits vs 11.10 (why no 11.04?) Anyway - stats are easy to interpret however you want to ;-) [13:28] probably because 11.04 was shockingly bad? [13:28] I am not drawing any conclusions from those numbers at all [13:28] it just made me smile [13:28] there's too many variables involved [13:28] i would be surprised if anyone was still using it the week after 11.10 was released [13:28] but the number of ubuntu users (I believe) doesn't waver around in the millions per month [13:29] i think there is an extremely high amount of churn [13:29] with all operating systems [13:29] the question is only do people churn in faster than they churn out? [13:29] amongst a certain set of the echo chamber of geeks on the internet, maybe [13:30] no, it's more like "among anyone under the age of 25" [13:30] considering that linux, by those stats, is still 0.5% [13:30] ali1234: we get it you don't like unity, there are also loads of people that do, you can't base everything on your opinion, the most interesting thing I see from the stats is both projects got additional hits which is good for Linux as a whole [13:31] davmor2: ubuntu didn't get additional hits, they are down 10% since this time last year. that's a fact demonstrated by the stats, not my opinion [13:32] stats of one site [13:32] must be legit [13:32] anyway, as i was saying, if 1 in 10 computer owners tries out ubuntu for 1 month each year, that's 0.5% already [13:32] well it is a somewhat better site than distrowatch to base stats on! [13:33] so as you can see, it doesn't take very much *constant* users to keep these statistics at the current level [13:34] and there is no way to measure how long people stay for [13:35] perhaps you could count the number of distro upgrades somehow [13:36] probably not accurate tho, i know i like to do a fresh install rather than upgrades [13:37] Someone should write a "phone home" app for the Linux kernel ;-) [13:37] i think we do count distro upgrades === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:38] TheOpenSourcerer: been suggested by a lot of people over the years [13:38] I _was_ joking. [13:38] they werent [13:41] i'd like to write a firefox survey like thing for ubuntu sometime [13:41] would be very useful [13:44] Anyone ever come across any Open Source Physical Security Software systems? i.e. for building access etc. [13:44] * bigcalm shivers his way back into the channel [13:47] gord: like test pilot? that's what i was saying the other day... [13:48] TheOpenSourcerer: No commercial ones [13:50] I found this, which suggests not, as the author is an "expert" and this is less than 12months old. :-( [13:52] Phwoar... http://www.greatcurryrecipes.net/2012/02/10/how-to-make-british-indian-restaurant-bir-style-onion-bhajis/ [13:53] I love onion bhajis :-D [13:55] TheOpenSourcerer: The various hackspaces have ones, but not off the shelf type things === stgraber_ is now known as stgraber [14:23] mrevell: by the way bzr add has fixed everything I am once again a happy bunny [14:24] davmor2, Great! [14:25] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Amam7h6Tso0TdDl5UGtHempRWkRtQUhNRnVhOXp3ZlE#gid=0 [14:25] mrevell: out of interest is there a nice overview somewhere of all the commands? By nice I mean not man-esque [14:26] davmor2, Not sure. otp just now. [14:27] haha I would be more surprised if you weren't :) [14:29] i must admit that even i didn't expect that strong of a trend [14:59] ali1234: didnt we have a bug in firefox recently where we were mis-identifying ourselves? [14:59] no idea [14:59] what was it misidentifying as? [14:59] pretty sure we went for a while with linux in the UA but missed the ubuntu release or something [14:59] i cant remember the details [15:00] but it made it harder to identify ubuntu users as a result, which _could_ be a contributing factor to the stats being skewy [15:00] *shrug* [15:00] unless that bug was for pretty much all the 10.04 release, it doesn't look good [15:01] bug 709125 [15:01] Launchpad bug 709125 in AptUrlRedirector "User agent doesn't include Ubuntu in it so apt.ubuntu.com doesn't work" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709125 [15:01] hmm [15:01] looks like that was fixed before release? [15:01] not sure thats the one [15:01] meh [15:02] Hey. I'm trying to configure keyboard shortcuts for xubuntu. Does anyone know the commands for volume controlling? [15:02] still doesn't explain the unprecidented amount of users clinging to 10.04 :) [15:03] It's an LTS maybe ? [15:03] I still run 10.04 on my revo as it works well [15:03] LTS is my only reason ;) [15:03] ah yeah 9.04 wasn't a LTS [15:03] pure laziness :/ [15:04] i wonder why they don't have stats for 9.10 [15:04] also notice that the recent upswing in the last few months appears to be caused almost entirely by 10.04 users [15:05] upswing? [15:05] hamitron: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Amam7h6Tso0TdDl5UGtHempRWkRtQUhNRnVhOXp3ZlE#gid=0 [15:06] ty [15:06] there is a lot of data missing. it's very unscientific [15:06] but a swing like that isn't random error [15:07] isn't 11.10 supported till around the same date as 10.04, but with newer software? [15:07] no? [15:07] 3 years for 10.04 [15:07] thought it was 18 months for others [15:07] 5 years for LTS, 2 years for the rest, except for some packages which are 6 months [15:08] 3 years for LTS on the desktop [15:08] 5 now [15:08] oh, nice [15:08] (for 12.04) [15:08] but for 10.04 it is 3 still? [15:08] i think so [15:08] also the main difference between 10.04 and 11.10 is 10.04 has gnome 2, 11.10 has unity or gnome shell [15:08] 11.10 is up-to-date too [15:09] popey, what are you running ony our revo's now ? [15:09] I've debated about running XBMC's new XBMCuntu [15:09] i don't trust my html scraper tbh [15:09] i might have to recompile these numbers by hand [15:10] but for someone who wants ubuntu on a desktop, most will choose the one with the latest software if they are supported till the same time..... is my point [15:10] well that's not what these statistics say [15:11] There are lies, damned lies and statistics. [15:11] will be interesting to see what happens in 2013 :) [15:11] I'm sort of interested in 12.04 again now [15:11] :/ [15:11] 5 years support is ace [15:12] do you even have any computers that can run it? [15:12] :-o [15:12] I got maybe 5 or 6 [15:12] maybe you could make a cluster to network render the UI [15:12] hehe [15:12] well, nothing to stop me using slower machines as thin clients? [15:13] uh... nothing except accelerated graphics are required [15:13] oh [15:13] unless you want to use -2d [15:13] or gnome shell fallback [15:13] well, I may upgrade [15:13] ;/ [15:14] I've already decided older machines are staying on something different for now [15:14] as there is no point trying to get something like ubuntu working on machines it is not targeted for [15:15] so what gpu will it need? [15:16] a fast one with open source drivers [15:16] ie one that doesn't exist [15:16] hehe [15:18] wonder why 8.04 has an increase [15:18] that's probably in line with random error [15:18] the 10.04 increase is much bigger [15:19] i'm wondering more why the last row is messed up [15:19] that too [15:19] diplo: You missed out quite an important "b" in your 15:09 post! I thought "Nah. They wouldn't possibly call it THAT". [15:20] :D [15:20] Oopos [15:20] on your* [15:20] and I'm sure that's what they called it, maybe im wrong [15:21] :P [15:21] time for tea and cakes [15:21] :D [15:21] brb [15:21] diplo: xbmc on both my revos [15:21] yeah what version OS ? [15:37] * ali1234 posts charts on omgubuntu and waits for the inevitable flamewar [15:46] ali1234: you've seen the bit at the top of http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm [15:47] about data loss [15:47] to mobile sites [15:47] oh, also 7% loss? === joar_ is now known as CosmicB [15:47] ya [15:48] that still doesn't account for the 50% drop in hits :) [15:48] heh [15:48] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/firefox/8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.11.10.3 [15:48] * Modify the UA string to add "Ubuntu" to the platform component [15:49] was that also broken in natty? [15:49] cos that would explain a lot [15:50] i don't know [15:52] it still doesn't explain the growth in 10.04 though [15:52] did some government do 1 million installs or something? [15:55] ali1234: yeah, it's an interesting question [15:55] the popularity of 10.04 doesn't entirely surprise me [15:56] will 10.04 be our xp ☺ [15:56] it was an extremely good release [15:56] heh, yeah [15:56] was 11.04 our vista, and 12.04 our 7 ? [15:56] maybe [15:56] i think there's still a way to go and a few more u-turns to be made [15:57] haha [15:57] what kinds of u-turns? [15:57] switching to GNU/Hurd [15:57] nah, just individual design decisions [15:58] * popey notes some might take offence at 'u-turn' and might prefer 'design iteration' ;) [15:58] unity isn't really that bad, just some small parts of it are incredibly annoying. like the way overlay scrollbars are implemented, and the way window switching works [15:58] i mean a really good design you don;t even notice it [15:59] that's why people have such a hard time explaining why they don't like unity, and just engage in flamewars instead [15:59] those people obviously aren't UI designers, so telling them to go away and make their own thing if they don't like it isn't really helpful [16:00] i actually like the always-hide thing [16:01] i mean it's hidden 99% of the time anyway [16:01] i'd like it to be less annoying to reveal it though [16:01] that has changed [16:01] sensitivity on edge push and monitor edge crossing is too low [16:01] it is always-show this week [16:01] today [16:01] sometimes it takes be 5 or 6 tries to get from one monitor to the other [16:02] yeah, like your mouse going through treacle between screens [16:02] yeah but you can configure always-hide or always-show [16:02] dodge was just too buggy [16:02] not for long ... [16:02] well if they remove always hide I AM GOING TO QUIT FOREVER etc [16:02] ali1234: you can increase the sensitivity and then you don't hit it [16:02] #archlinux is → that way [16:03] davmor2: how? [16:03] I think the monitor divsion treacle things should not be there if I am dragging a window [16:03] AlanBell: yes absolutely agreed [16:04] ali1234: it is in system setting Appearance behaviour reveal sensitivity I got mine on high for my laptop due to the track pad and it is fine [16:04] assasasas [16:04] I will try and finish the window quicklists thing this weekend, I think that will help a lot [16:05] a wild bug appears [16:05]