| waltman | MutantTurkey: I don't know that they're mine to give away, but you're welcome to come in and see what we have. | 03:43 |
|---|---|---|
| MutantTurkey | okay great | 03:44 |
| MutantTurkey | I'll be around next week | 03:44 |
| MutantTurkey | going skiing at shawnee tomorrow | 03:44 |
| waltman | have fun | 03:45 |
| waltman | You should go down the mountain in the burger suit! | 03:46 |
| jthan | wooo | 03:46 |
| MutantTurkey | thanks | 03:47 |
| MutantTurkey | whut | 03:55 |
| MutantTurkey | thinks my irc client just tried to upload a meme to ssweeny over the irc... | 03:55 |
| * ssweeny agrees | 03:57 | |
| MutantTurkey | how... | 03:57 |
| MutantTurkey | I am lost | 03:57 |
| MutantTurkey | for words | 03:57 |
| ssweeny | i'm sorry MutantTurkey but i don't know you well enough to accept your files | 03:57 |
| MutantTurkey | lol | 03:58 |
| MutantTurkey | I don't even know how I did it | 03:58 |
| MutantTurkey | I didn't even know konversation did it | 03:58 |
| MutantTurkey | more importantly, how does that even work over irc? | 03:58 |
| * MutantTurkey must have dragged and dropped by accident onto the window | 03:58 | |
| jthan | MutantTurkey: using kde these days!? | 04:01 |
| MutantTurkey | No, just TDE | 04:01 |
| MutantTurkey | I played around with 4.8 and it doesn't fit my needs. | 04:01 |
| jthan | i see. | 04:02 |
| MutantTurkey | Do you use it? | 04:03 |
| jthan | No. I played with it at one point for a little while | 04:03 |
| MutantTurkey | 4.8 had no quirks or anything, it was quite smooth. I found myself much less productive with it. | 04:03 |
| MutantTurkey | Gnome3 is a usability nightmare as well as Unity. | 04:03 |
| jthan | I am upset with the state of all desktop environments available at this point :-p | 04:04 |
| MutantTurkey | unfortunately they haven't realized that 99% of people don't use a tablet device to work with linux | 04:04 |
| MutantTurkey | jthan: I am hoping TDE to be the solution | 04:04 |
| MutantTurkey | XFCE is also a longterm (sane) solution | 04:04 |
| jthan | Yes. I use xfce now | 04:04 |
| jthan | well.. "now" | 04:04 |
| MutantTurkey | It is a bit basic for my needs | 04:04 |
| jthan | I have for the past year and a half | 04:04 |
| MutantTurkey | I find thunar to be crippling | 04:05 |
| MutantTurkey | basically it's just a rip of nautilus as I see it. ( which sucks too) | 04:05 |
| MutantTurkey | but, overall it is nice | 04:05 |
| MutantTurkey | the window manager is fantastic - probably my favorite | 04:05 |
| jthan | I am so discontent with the whole kde/gnome situation that I pretty much have resorted to using Windows more often on my desktop machine. . . . | 04:08 |
| Sadin | .me yawns | 04:09 |
| MutantTurkey | Trinity is my choice now | 04:14 |
| InHisName | If one dip in Unity isn't good enough, try 3 dips into trinity ! | 04:46 |
| waltman | what's Trinity? | 04:46 |
| MutantTurkey | Trinity is a continuation of the KDE3.5 series | 05:06 |
| MutantTurkey | 3 point releases past the last KDE release, about 4 years running. | 05:07 |
| MutantTurkey | It provides a traditional desktop oriented towards people using the Keyboard and Mouse HCI model | 05:07 |
| waltman | ah | 05:07 |
| MutantTurkey | yep | 05:07 |
| waltman | never liked kde much, personally. it reminded me too much of windows. | 05:07 |
| MutantTurkey | KDE3 I never even used until I found trinity - I love it. | 05:07 |
| MutantTurkey | I don't see windows in any of the environments ( i dunno, I havent used windows in some time either ) | 05:08 |
| === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 | ||
| JonathanD | hi | 10:37 |
| rmg51 | hi | 10:42 |
| rmg51 | Morning | 10:42 |
| JonathanD | Morning rmg51. | 10:48 |
| rmg51 | o/ | 10:48 |
| JonathanD | Happy Friday. | 10:48 |
| ChinnoDog | friday++ | 14:18 |
| === adom_ is now known as adom | ||
| === yoda_van is now known as jedijf | ||
| jedijf | ChinnoDog: what's new at hacdc? | 15:11 |
| ChinnoDog | jedijf: I don't know. I signed up and haven't been back since. lol. Sad, right? | 15:12 |
| ChinnoDog | I need to get Kubuntu installed and configured the way I want on my laptop and then I will go | 15:12 |
| jedijf | ChinnoDog: i did the same with planet fitness, but got there this week | 15:18 |
| jedijf | also a hive76 member that rarely goes | 15:18 |
| ChinnoDog | Yea, that is bad | 15:19 |
| JonathanD | jedijf: who needs a gym if you go to hive... | 15:19 |
| ChinnoDog | I am going tomorrow though | 15:19 |
| JonathanD | Just skip the elevator. | 15:19 |
| ChinnoDog | Ham class! | 15:19 |
| jedijf | me tries to make Monday Monthly Microcontroller Madness at least | 15:19 |
| jedijf | /doh | 15:19 |
| ChinnoDog | ham radio, not ham and bacon | 15:20 |
| jedijf | JonathanD: i need a gym to work up to the stairs at hive | 15:20 |
| JonathanD | jedijf: heh :) | 15:20 |
| JonathanD | jedijf: stairs are like a free gym. | 15:20 |
| ChinnoDog | I wish I had a deceased family member with a call sign so I could claim it | 15:20 |
| JonathanD | I have 8 flights to my office every morning, thats my gym. | 15:20 |
| jedijf | hmm | 15:21 |
| jedijf | ChinnoDog: let me know how the ham thing goes, someone at hive is interested and we have ham people at pacs | 15:25 |
| JonathanD | Need ham booth at fosscon kthx. | 15:26 |
| jedijf | JonathanD: that's very doable | 15:26 |
| JonathanD | jedijf: also a bacon booth, while we're at it. Next to the ham booth. | 15:26 |
| ChinnoDog | jedijf: ok. it is two Saturdays in a row; tomorrow and next Saturday. | 15:26 |
| jedijf | remind me or rmg51 in a week and we'll put people in touch with you from pacs | 15:26 |
| ChinnoDog | http://www.hacdc.org/content/amateur-license-test-preparation-class | 15:27 |
| PennBot | Title: Amateur License Test Preparation Class | HacDC (at www.hacdc.org) | 15:27 |
| jedijf | ChinnoDog: yeah, find out if hac is planning to venture up to HOPE9 too | 15:27 |
| JonathanD | jedijf: will do. | 15:27 |
| JonathanD | jedijf: maybe an intro level talk, too. | 15:28 |
| ChinnoDog | The test is the week after but I won't be in town. Taking the test March 10 | 15:28 |
| jedijf | JonathanD: a talk should be cool too - foss ham apps - digital ham | 15:28 |
| * jedijf was a cb'er in the 70's | 15:29 | |
| === jedijf is now known as lil_guppy | ||
| === lil_guppy is now known as jedijf | ||
| jedijf | cq cq cq dx..... | 15:30 |
| waltman | jedijf: 10-4 good buddy! | 16:43 |
| andrewPCT | meh | 16:45 |
| === andrewPCT is now known as andrew | ||
| andrew | today could be better | 16:45 |
| ChinnoDog | Why do I keep running out of memory?! | 17:51 |
| ChinnoDog | I have lots of memory but my computer grinds to a stop with tons of disk activity until I free a few megabytes by closing chrome tabs | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | crashed chrome tabs sometimes make my other system go wonky | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | (but everything makes that machine go wonky, I really need to figure out my graphics card problem, but it feels so much like work...) | 17:52 |
| ChinnoDog | http://pastebin.com/0nS7PY2D | 17:53 |
| PennBot | Title: [Bash] Low on memory? - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) | 17:53 |
| ChinnoDog | they aren't crashing | 17:53 |
| ChinnoDog | they just seem to take up a lot of memory | 17:53 |
| waltman | Is there the equivalent of File/Open in Chrome? I was trying to figure out how to open a local index.html, but finally gave up and went with Firefox instead. | 17:53 |
| pleia2 | tabs do that | 17:53 |
| ChinnoDog | I have a script that calculates memory usage and says it is at 3.2gb. I have 4g of physical memory. | 17:54 |
| pleia2 | waltman: just type it in the addressbar? file:///home/waltman/index.html | 17:54 |
| pleia2 | ChinnoDog: how many tabs do you have? | 17:54 |
| ChinnoDog | Right now I have 14 open | 17:54 |
| ChinnoDog | chrome is using 2.2gb of memory | 17:54 |
| pleia2 | that's not very many | 17:54 |
| ChinnoDog | I know! | 17:54 |
| waltman | Sure, I could do that, but a) I never remember how many /'s I need, and b) I wanted to use a gui to select the file, which was about 6 levels down. | 17:54 |
| ChinnoDog | It seems to be shrinking the longer my machine runs too | 17:55 |
| waltman | Chrome has a tendency to create zombies too, at least on my box. | 17:55 |
| pleia2 | waltman: if it helps your brain, it's just like http://, but file:// and then the path, which would include starting with another / | 17:55 |
| pleia2 | so, three | 17:55 |
| ChinnoDog | http://pastebin.com/bHh8XkPn | 17:56 |
| PennBot | Title: [Bash] Memory Usage - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) | 17:56 |
| ChinnoDog | Thats how it breaks down | 17:56 |
| waltman | pleia2: A quick ddg tells me that ctrl-o works! | 17:57 |
| ChinnoDog | I have lots of memories but Ubuntu hits the limit and pages anyway | 17:57 |
| ChinnoDog | my swappiness is set to 10 | 17:57 |
| pleia2 | waltman: yay! | 17:57 |
| pleia2 | ChinnoDog: I vote not using proprietary crappy browsers | 17:57 |
| pleia2 | it's fine when it works, but you can't really debug it | 17:57 |
| ChinnoDog | I don't think this has anything to do with browsers | 17:59 |
| ChinnoDog | It has to do with memory allocation. I am aware Chrome is using a lot of memory | 17:59 |
| ChinnoDog | but my system memory usage is still reasonable | 17:59 |
| ChinnoDog | I have a bunch of plugins installed. some of them are probably using memory on each process | 17:59 |
| waltman | ChinnoDog: how many tabs do you have open? | 18:00 |
| waltman | oh wait, you answered that already :) | 18:00 |
| ChinnoDog | 14 | 18:00 |
| waltman | a little swapping is generally a good thing imho | 18:00 |
| ChinnoDog | Even if I had 300 open though I don't think that alone is a problem | 18:00 |
| ChinnoDog | it is a lot of swapping | 18:00 |
| ChinnoDog | everything freezes | 18:01 |
| ChinnoDog | KDE cries and disables effects | 18:01 |
| waltman | awww | 18:01 |
| ChinnoDog | Raising my swappiness value might alleviate this somewhat by swapping sooner but it doesn't explain why it is swapping when I have 1gb free yet | 18:02 |
| ChinnoDog | the output of 'free -m' suggests that it is being used as cache and the kernel won't give it up | 18:02 |
| ChinnoDog | actually I don't get how 3640mb of cach is being used in that output | 18:03 |
| ChinnoDog | it doesn't really make sense | 18:03 |
| pleia2 | linux always caches as much as possible | 18:03 |
| pleia2 | that's normal | 18:04 |
| * waltman notes that ram's cheap these days :) | 18:04 | |
| ChinnoDog | that is not the point. idk where the rest of my RAM went | 18:04 |
| waltman | In your 14 tabs | 18:05 |
| ChinnoDog | That only accounts for 2.2gb | 18:05 |
| waltman | run top, then press M to sort processes by their memory usage | 18:05 |
| waltman | how much swap do you have? | 18:06 |
| ChinnoDog | chrome uses 21.8% | 18:06 |
| ChinnoDog | 669mb used | 18:06 |
| pleia2 | that's a lot to be swapping | 18:07 |
| ChinnoDog | I have a total of 5gb of swap which is rediculous | 18:07 |
| ChinnoDog | I know! | 18:07 |
| waltman | It's hard to tell on my box because all my chromes are separate processes. | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | you really just need more ram :) | 18:07 |
| adom | RAMburgler? | 18:07 |
| ChinnoDog | That is what it seems like | 18:07 |
| ChinnoDog | gremlins are stealing my RAM | 18:07 |
| adom | POUR WATER ON YOUR MACHINE | 18:08 |
| waltman | It doesn't hurt to restart chrome every once in a while | 18:08 |
| pleia2 | and stop feeding it after midnight | 18:08 |
| ChinnoDog | My problem is not with chrome, it is that I can't account for all of my memory | 18:08 |
| waltman | some of it's being used for disk caching | 18:09 |
| ChinnoDog | I am changing my swappiness to 40 | 18:09 |
| ChinnoDog | that should spread out my swapping a bit | 18:09 |
| ChinnoDog | One tab is using 906mb by itself 0_o | 18:12 |
| ChinnoDog | Someone load this and tell me how much memory it takes: http://gphangouts.com/hangout/extras/ | 18:13 |
| pleia2 | like a zillion memories | 18:13 |
| pleia2 | I can't even use google hangouts on my netbook | 18:13 |
| waltman | If you go into chrome's task managed you can see how much ram each tab's using. | 18:13 |
| ChinnoDog | That is where I am looking | 18:13 |
| pleia2 | (I don't know about the specific plugin) | 18:13 |
| waltman | 374,416k | 18:14 |
| * waltman goes to make some lunch | 18:15 | |
| ChinnoDog | hmm | 18:15 |
| ChinnoDog | So... why does it take 906mb of my system but only 374mb on yours | 18:15 |
| ChinnoDog | plugin bloat? | 18:16 |
| pleia2 | could be caching data from the last time you used it, or a million other things | 18:17 |
| ChinnoDog | My desktop pc needs a web cam | 18:26 |
| InHisName | Good afternoon y'all | 18:34 |
| jedijf | ernobody wants to see that | 18:34 |
| pleia2 | I don't really get the draw of video conferencing, but I think that's because I'm afraid of people | 18:37 |
| pleia2 | I'm quite content to use google hangout with just voice | 18:37 |
| pleia2 | plus, I don't need to brush my hair or change into daytime clothes! | 18:38 |
| rmg51 | pleia2: use Stitch as a stand in ;-) | 18:39 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 18:40 |
| InHisName | I loaded that page into firefox. Old top 495Mb, with page added - 494Mb Hrrmmm, it went down. | 18:44 |
| waltman | ChinnoDog: I'm on an i386 box. Maybe you're running 64 bits? | 18:46 |
| * waltman shrugs | 18:46 | |
| InHisName | My compiz gobbles more memory over time. Is there a way to reset compiz back to basic usage without rebooting ? rhpot1991 suggested disabling unity & reenabling it in CCSM. Might that be "Ubuntu Unity Plugin" that I UN check and REcheck ? | 18:50 |
| rhpot1991 | InHisName: sounds right | 18:57 |
| rhpot1991 | InHisName: there is a ppa with updates to compiz and unity that might help too | 18:57 |
| rhpot1991 | I started running that and ti seems better | 18:57 |
| * rhpot1991 tries to find that | 18:58 | |
| rhpot1991 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/803943 | 19:00 |
| rhpot1991 | InHisName: read that ^ | 19:00 |
| PennBot | Title: Bug #803943 in unity: “compiz consuming a lot of cpu” (at bugs.launchpad.net) | 19:00 |
| rhpot1991 | ppa is in there | 19:00 |
| InHisName | rhpot1991: OK, I'll check it out. | 19:00 |
| InHisName | Not so much CPU consumption but RAM consumption | 19:01 |
| rhpot1991 | InHisName: ppay may help, check for similar bugs though | 19:02 |
| InHisName | They give tests to try to see if it applies. I'll try tests. | 19:02 |
| InHisName | Mine shot up from 0% to 76% with moving window around desktop for compiz CPU consumption. | 19:06 |
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