[03:43] <waltman> MutantTurkey: I don't know that they're mine to give away, but you're welcome to come in and see what we have.
[03:44] <MutantTurkey> okay great
[03:44] <MutantTurkey> I'll be around next week
[03:44] <MutantTurkey> going skiing at shawnee tomorrow
[03:45] <waltman> have fun
[03:46] <waltman> You should go down the mountain in the burger suit!
[03:46] <jthan> wooo
[03:47] <MutantTurkey> thanks
[03:55] <MutantTurkey> whut
[03:55] <MutantTurkey> thinks my irc client just tried to upload a meme to ssweeny over the irc...
[03:57]  * ssweeny agrees
[03:57] <MutantTurkey> how...
[03:57] <MutantTurkey> I am lost
[03:57] <MutantTurkey> for words
[03:57] <ssweeny> i'm sorry MutantTurkey but i don't know you well enough to accept your files
[03:58] <MutantTurkey> lol
[03:58] <MutantTurkey> I don't even know how I did it
[03:58] <MutantTurkey> I didn't even know konversation did it
[03:58] <MutantTurkey> more importantly, how does that even work over irc?
[03:58]  * MutantTurkey must have dragged and dropped by accident onto the window
[04:01] <jthan> MutantTurkey: using kde these days!?
[04:01] <MutantTurkey> No, just TDE
[04:01] <MutantTurkey> I played around with 4.8 and it doesn't fit my needs.
[04:02] <jthan> i see.
[04:03] <MutantTurkey> Do you use it?
[04:03] <jthan> No. I played with it at one point for a little while
[04:03] <MutantTurkey> 4.8 had no quirks or anything, it was quite smooth. I found myself much less productive with it.
[04:03] <MutantTurkey> Gnome3 is a usability nightmare as well as Unity.
[04:04] <jthan> I am upset with the state of all desktop environments available at this point :-p
[04:04] <MutantTurkey> unfortunately they haven't realized that 99% of people don't use a tablet device to work with linux
[04:04] <MutantTurkey> jthan: I am hoping TDE to be the solution
[04:04] <MutantTurkey> XFCE is also a longterm (sane) solution
[04:04] <jthan> Yes. I use xfce now
[04:04] <jthan> well.. "now"
[04:04] <MutantTurkey> It is a bit basic for my needs
[04:04] <jthan> I have for the past year and a half
[04:05] <MutantTurkey> I find thunar to be crippling
[04:05] <MutantTurkey> basically it's just a rip of nautilus as I see it. ( which sucks too)
[04:05] <MutantTurkey> but, overall it is nice
[04:05] <MutantTurkey> the window manager is fantastic - probably my favorite
[04:08] <jthan> I am so discontent with the whole kde/gnome situation that I pretty much have resorted to using Windows more often on my desktop machine.  . . .
[04:09] <Sadin> .me yawns
[04:14] <MutantTurkey> Trinity is my choice now
[04:46] <InHisName> If one dip in Unity isn't good enough, try 3 dips into trinity !
[04:46] <waltman> what's Trinity?
[05:06] <MutantTurkey> Trinity is a continuation of the KDE3.5 series
[05:07] <MutantTurkey> 3 point releases past the last KDE release, about 4 years running.
[05:07] <MutantTurkey> It provides a traditional desktop oriented towards people using the Keyboard and Mouse HCI model
[05:07] <waltman> ah
[05:07] <MutantTurkey> yep
[05:07] <waltman> never liked kde much, personally. it reminded me too much of windows.
[05:07] <MutantTurkey> KDE3 I never even used until I found trinity -  I love it.
[05:08] <MutantTurkey> I don't see windows in any of the environments ( i dunno, I havent used windows in some time either )
[10:37] <JonathanD> hi
[10:42] <rmg51> hi
[10:42] <rmg51> Morning
[10:48] <JonathanD> Morning rmg51.
[10:48] <rmg51> o/
[10:48] <JonathanD> Happy Friday.
[14:18] <ChinnoDog> friday++
[15:11] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: what's new at hacdc?
[15:12] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: I don't know. I signed up and haven't been back since. lol. Sad, right?
[15:12] <ChinnoDog> I need to get Kubuntu installed and configured the way I want on my laptop and then I will go
[15:18] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: i did the same with planet fitness, but got there this week
[15:18] <jedijf> also a hive76 member that rarely goes
[15:19] <ChinnoDog> Yea, that is bad
[15:19] <JonathanD> jedijf: who needs a gym if you go to hive...
[15:19] <ChinnoDog> I am going tomorrow though
[15:19] <JonathanD> Just skip the elevator.
[15:19] <ChinnoDog> Ham class!
[15:19] <jedijf> me tries to make Monday Monthly Microcontroller Madness at least
[15:19] <jedijf>  /doh
[15:20] <ChinnoDog> ham radio, not ham and bacon
[15:20] <jedijf> JonathanD: i need a gym to work up to the stairs at hive
[15:20] <JonathanD> jedijf: heh :)
[15:20] <JonathanD> jedijf: stairs are like a free gym.
[15:20] <ChinnoDog> I wish I had a deceased family member with a call sign so I could claim it
[15:20] <JonathanD> I have 8 flights to my office every morning, thats my gym.
[15:21] <jedijf> hmm
[15:25] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: let me know how the ham thing goes, someone at hive is interested and we have ham people at pacs
[15:26] <JonathanD> Need ham booth at fosscon kthx.
[15:26] <jedijf> JonathanD: that's very doable
[15:26] <JonathanD> jedijf: also a bacon booth, while we're at it. Next to the ham booth.
[15:26] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: ok. it is two Saturdays in a row; tomorrow and next Saturday.
[15:26] <jedijf> remind me or rmg51 in a week and we'll put people in touch with you from pacs
[15:27] <ChinnoDog> http://www.hacdc.org/content/amateur-license-test-preparation-class
[15:27] <PennBot> Title: Amateur License Test Preparation Class | HacDC (at www.hacdc.org)
[15:27] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: yeah, find out if hac is planning to venture up to HOPE9 too
[15:27] <JonathanD> jedijf: will do.
[15:28] <JonathanD> jedijf: maybe an intro level talk, too.
[15:28] <ChinnoDog> The test is the week after but I won't be in town. Taking the test March 10
[15:28] <jedijf> JonathanD: a talk should be cool too - foss ham apps - digital ham
[15:29]  * jedijf was a cb'er in the 70's
[15:30] <jedijf> cq cq cq dx.....
[16:43] <waltman> jedijf: 10-4 good buddy!
[16:45] <andrewPCT> meh
[16:45] <andrew> today could be better
[17:51] <ChinnoDog> Why do I keep running out of memory?!
[17:51] <ChinnoDog> I have lots of memory but my computer grinds to a stop with tons of disk activity until I free a few megabytes by closing chrome tabs
[17:51] <pleia2> crashed chrome tabs sometimes make my other system go wonky
[17:52] <pleia2> (but everything makes that machine go wonky, I really need to figure out my graphics card problem, but it feels so much like work...)
[17:53] <ChinnoDog> http://pastebin.com/0nS7PY2D
[17:53] <PennBot> Title: [Bash] Low on memory? - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
[17:53] <ChinnoDog> they aren't crashing
[17:53] <ChinnoDog> they just seem to take up a lot of memory
[17:53] <waltman> Is there the equivalent of File/Open in Chrome? I was trying to figure out how to open a local index.html, but finally gave up and went with Firefox instead.
[17:53] <pleia2> tabs do that
[17:54] <ChinnoDog> I have a script that calculates memory usage and says it is at 3.2gb. I have 4g of physical memory.
[17:54] <pleia2> waltman: just type it in the addressbar? file:///home/waltman/index.html
[17:54] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: how many tabs do you have?
[17:54] <ChinnoDog> Right now I have 14 open
[17:54] <ChinnoDog> chrome is using 2.2gb of memory
[17:54] <pleia2> that's not very many
[17:54] <ChinnoDog> I know!
[17:54] <waltman> Sure, I could do that, but a) I never remember how many /'s I need, and b) I wanted to use a gui to select the file, which was about 6 levels down.
[17:55] <ChinnoDog> It seems to be shrinking the longer my machine runs too
[17:55] <waltman> Chrome has a tendency to create zombies too, at least on my box.
[17:55] <pleia2> waltman: if it helps your brain, it's just like http://, but file:// and then the path, which would include starting with another /
[17:55] <pleia2> so, three
[17:56] <ChinnoDog> http://pastebin.com/bHh8XkPn
[17:56] <PennBot> Title: [Bash] Memory Usage - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
[17:56] <ChinnoDog> Thats how it breaks down
[17:57] <waltman> pleia2: A quick ddg tells me that ctrl-o works!
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> I have lots of memories but Ubuntu hits the limit and pages anyway
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> my swappiness is set to 10
[17:57] <pleia2> waltman: yay!
[17:57] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: I vote not using proprietary crappy browsers
[17:57] <pleia2> it's fine when it works, but you can't really debug it
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> I don't think this has anything to do with browsers
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> It has to do with memory allocation. I am aware Chrome is using a lot of memory
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> but my system memory usage is still reasonable
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> I have a bunch of plugins installed. some of them are probably using memory on each process
[18:00] <waltman> ChinnoDog: how many tabs do you have open?
[18:00] <waltman> oh wait, you answered that already :)
[18:00] <ChinnoDog> 14
[18:00] <waltman> a little swapping is generally a good thing imho
[18:00] <ChinnoDog> Even if I had 300 open though I don't think that alone is a problem
[18:00] <ChinnoDog> it is a lot of swapping
[18:01] <ChinnoDog> everything freezes
[18:01] <ChinnoDog> KDE cries and disables effects
[18:01] <waltman> awww
[18:02] <ChinnoDog> Raising my swappiness value might alleviate this somewhat by swapping sooner but it doesn't explain why it is swapping when I have 1gb free yet
[18:02] <ChinnoDog> the output of 'free -m' suggests that it is being used as cache and the kernel won't give it up
[18:03] <ChinnoDog> actually I don't get how 3640mb of cach is being used in that output
[18:03] <ChinnoDog> it doesn't really make sense
[18:03] <pleia2> linux always caches as much as possible
[18:04] <pleia2> that's normal
[18:04]  * waltman notes that ram's cheap these days :)
[18:04] <ChinnoDog> that is not the point. idk where the rest of my RAM went
[18:05] <waltman> In your 14 tabs
[18:05] <ChinnoDog> That only accounts for 2.2gb
[18:05] <waltman> run top, then press M to sort processes by their memory usage
[18:06] <waltman> how much swap do you have?
[18:06] <ChinnoDog> chrome uses 21.8%
[18:06] <ChinnoDog> 669mb used
[18:07] <pleia2> that's a lot to be swapping
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> I have a total of 5gb of swap which is rediculous
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> I know!
[18:07] <waltman> It's hard to tell on my box because all my chromes are separate processes.
[18:07] <pleia2> you really just need more ram :)
[18:07] <adom> RAMburgler?
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> That is what it seems like
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> gremlins are stealing my RAM
[18:08] <adom> POUR WATER ON YOUR MACHINE
[18:08] <waltman> It doesn't hurt to restart chrome every once in a while
[18:08] <pleia2> and stop feeding it after midnight
[18:08] <ChinnoDog> My problem is not with chrome, it is that I can't account for all of my memory
[18:09] <waltman> some of it's being used for disk caching
[18:09] <ChinnoDog> I am changing my swappiness to 40
[18:09] <ChinnoDog> that should spread out my swapping a bit
[18:12] <ChinnoDog> One tab is using 906mb by itself 0_o
[18:13] <ChinnoDog> Someone load this and tell me how much memory it takes: http://gphangouts.com/hangout/extras/
[18:13] <pleia2> like a zillion memories
[18:13] <pleia2> I can't even use google hangouts on my netbook
[18:13] <waltman> If you go into chrome's task managed you can see how much ram each tab's using.
[18:13] <ChinnoDog> That is where I am looking
[18:13] <pleia2> (I don't know about the specific plugin)
[18:14] <waltman> 374,416k
[18:15]  * waltman goes to make some lunch
[18:15] <ChinnoDog> hmm
[18:15] <ChinnoDog> So... why does it take 906mb of my system but only 374mb on yours
[18:16] <ChinnoDog> plugin bloat?
[18:17] <pleia2> could be caching data from the last time you used it, or a million other things
[18:26] <ChinnoDog> My desktop pc needs a web cam
[18:34] <InHisName> Good afternoon y'all
[18:34] <jedijf> ernobody wants to see that
[18:37] <pleia2> I don't really get the draw of video conferencing, but I think that's because I'm afraid of people
[18:37] <pleia2> I'm quite content to use google hangout with just voice
[18:38] <pleia2> plus, I don't need to brush my hair or change into daytime clothes!
[18:39] <rmg51> pleia2: use Stitch as a stand in ;-)
[18:40] <pleia2> hehe
[18:44] <InHisName> I loaded that page into firefox.  Old top 495Mb,  with page added - 494Mb     Hrrmmm, it went down.
[18:46] <waltman> ChinnoDog: I'm on an i386 box. Maybe you're running 64 bits?
[18:46]  * waltman shrugs
[18:50] <InHisName> My compiz gobbles more memory over time.  Is there a way to reset compiz back to basic usage without rebooting ?  rhpot1991 suggested disabling unity & reenabling it in CCSM.  Might that be "Ubuntu Unity Plugin" that I UN check and REcheck ?
[18:57] <rhpot1991> InHisName: sounds right
[18:57] <rhpot1991> InHisName: there is a ppa with updates to compiz and unity that might help too
[18:57] <rhpot1991> I started running that and ti seems better
[18:58]  * rhpot1991 tries to find that
[19:00] <rhpot1991> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/803943
[19:00] <rhpot1991> InHisName: read that ^
[19:00] <PennBot> Title: Bug #803943 in unity: “compiz consuming a lot of cpu” (at bugs.launchpad.net)
[19:00] <rhpot1991> ppa is in there
[19:00] <InHisName> rhpot1991: OK, I'll check it out.
[19:01] <InHisName> Not so much CPU consumption but RAM consumption
[19:02] <rhpot1991> InHisName: ppay may help, check for similar bugs though
[19:02] <InHisName> They give tests to try to see if it applies.  I'll try tests.
[19:06] <InHisName> Mine shot up from 0% to 76% with moving window around desktop for compiz CPU consumption.