[03:43] MutantTurkey: I don't know that they're mine to give away, but you're welcome to come in and see what we have. [03:44] okay great [03:44] I'll be around next week [03:44] going skiing at shawnee tomorrow [03:45] have fun [03:46] You should go down the mountain in the burger suit! [03:46] wooo [03:47] thanks [03:55] whut [03:55] thinks my irc client just tried to upload a meme to ssweeny over the irc... [03:57] * ssweeny agrees [03:57] how... [03:57] I am lost [03:57] for words [03:57] i'm sorry MutantTurkey but i don't know you well enough to accept your files [03:58] lol [03:58] I don't even know how I did it [03:58] I didn't even know konversation did it [03:58] more importantly, how does that even work over irc? [03:58] * MutantTurkey must have dragged and dropped by accident onto the window [04:01] MutantTurkey: using kde these days!? [04:01] No, just TDE [04:01] I played around with 4.8 and it doesn't fit my needs. [04:02] i see. [04:03] Do you use it? [04:03] No. I played with it at one point for a little while [04:03] 4.8 had no quirks or anything, it was quite smooth. I found myself much less productive with it. [04:03] Gnome3 is a usability nightmare as well as Unity. [04:04] I am upset with the state of all desktop environments available at this point :-p [04:04] unfortunately they haven't realized that 99% of people don't use a tablet device to work with linux [04:04] jthan: I am hoping TDE to be the solution [04:04] XFCE is also a longterm (sane) solution [04:04] Yes. I use xfce now [04:04] well.. "now" [04:04] It is a bit basic for my needs [04:04] I have for the past year and a half [04:05] I find thunar to be crippling [04:05] basically it's just a rip of nautilus as I see it. ( which sucks too) [04:05] but, overall it is nice [04:05] the window manager is fantastic - probably my favorite [04:08] I am so discontent with the whole kde/gnome situation that I pretty much have resorted to using Windows more often on my desktop machine. . . . [04:09] .me yawns [04:14] Trinity is my choice now [04:46] If one dip in Unity isn't good enough, try 3 dips into trinity ! [04:46] what's Trinity? [05:06] Trinity is a continuation of the KDE3.5 series [05:07] 3 point releases past the last KDE release, about 4 years running. [05:07] It provides a traditional desktop oriented towards people using the Keyboard and Mouse HCI model [05:07] ah [05:07] yep [05:07] never liked kde much, personally. it reminded me too much of windows. [05:07] KDE3 I never even used until I found trinity - I love it. [05:08] I don't see windows in any of the environments ( i dunno, I havent used windows in some time either ) === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [10:37] hi [10:42] hi [10:42] Morning [10:48] Morning rmg51. [10:48] o/ [10:48] Happy Friday. [14:18] friday++ === adom_ is now known as adom === yoda_van is now known as jedijf [15:11] ChinnoDog: what's new at hacdc? [15:12] jedijf: I don't know. I signed up and haven't been back since. lol. Sad, right? [15:12] I need to get Kubuntu installed and configured the way I want on my laptop and then I will go [15:18] ChinnoDog: i did the same with planet fitness, but got there this week [15:18] also a hive76 member that rarely goes [15:19] Yea, that is bad [15:19] jedijf: who needs a gym if you go to hive... [15:19] I am going tomorrow though [15:19] Just skip the elevator. [15:19] Ham class! [15:19] me tries to make Monday Monthly Microcontroller Madness at least [15:19] /doh [15:20] ham radio, not ham and bacon [15:20] JonathanD: i need a gym to work up to the stairs at hive [15:20] jedijf: heh :) [15:20] jedijf: stairs are like a free gym. [15:20] I wish I had a deceased family member with a call sign so I could claim it [15:20] I have 8 flights to my office every morning, thats my gym. [15:21] hmm [15:25] ChinnoDog: let me know how the ham thing goes, someone at hive is interested and we have ham people at pacs [15:26] Need ham booth at fosscon kthx. [15:26] JonathanD: that's very doable [15:26] jedijf: also a bacon booth, while we're at it. Next to the ham booth. [15:26] jedijf: ok. it is two Saturdays in a row; tomorrow and next Saturday. [15:26] remind me or rmg51 in a week and we'll put people in touch with you from pacs [15:27] http://www.hacdc.org/content/amateur-license-test-preparation-class [15:27] Title: Amateur License Test Preparation Class | HacDC (at www.hacdc.org) [15:27] ChinnoDog: yeah, find out if hac is planning to venture up to HOPE9 too [15:27] jedijf: will do. [15:28] jedijf: maybe an intro level talk, too. [15:28] The test is the week after but I won't be in town. Taking the test March 10 [15:28] JonathanD: a talk should be cool too - foss ham apps - digital ham [15:29] * jedijf was a cb'er in the 70's === jedijf is now known as lil_guppy === lil_guppy is now known as jedijf [15:30] cq cq cq dx..... [16:43] jedijf: 10-4 good buddy! [16:45] meh === andrewPCT is now known as andrew [16:45] today could be better [17:51] Why do I keep running out of memory?! [17:51] I have lots of memory but my computer grinds to a stop with tons of disk activity until I free a few megabytes by closing chrome tabs [17:51] crashed chrome tabs sometimes make my other system go wonky [17:52] (but everything makes that machine go wonky, I really need to figure out my graphics card problem, but it feels so much like work...) [17:53] http://pastebin.com/0nS7PY2D [17:53] Title: [Bash] Low on memory? - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) [17:53] they aren't crashing [17:53] they just seem to take up a lot of memory [17:53] Is there the equivalent of File/Open in Chrome? I was trying to figure out how to open a local index.html, but finally gave up and went with Firefox instead. [17:53] tabs do that [17:54] I have a script that calculates memory usage and says it is at 3.2gb. I have 4g of physical memory. [17:54] waltman: just type it in the addressbar? file:///home/waltman/index.html [17:54] ChinnoDog: how many tabs do you have? [17:54] Right now I have 14 open [17:54] chrome is using 2.2gb of memory [17:54] that's not very many [17:54] I know! [17:54] Sure, I could do that, but a) I never remember how many /'s I need, and b) I wanted to use a gui to select the file, which was about 6 levels down. [17:55] It seems to be shrinking the longer my machine runs too [17:55] Chrome has a tendency to create zombies too, at least on my box. [17:55] waltman: if it helps your brain, it's just like http://, but file:// and then the path, which would include starting with another / [17:55] so, three [17:56] http://pastebin.com/bHh8XkPn [17:56] Title: [Bash] Memory Usage - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) [17:56] Thats how it breaks down [17:57] pleia2: A quick ddg tells me that ctrl-o works! [17:57] I have lots of memories but Ubuntu hits the limit and pages anyway [17:57] my swappiness is set to 10 [17:57] waltman: yay! [17:57] ChinnoDog: I vote not using proprietary crappy browsers [17:57] it's fine when it works, but you can't really debug it [17:59] I don't think this has anything to do with browsers [17:59] It has to do with memory allocation. I am aware Chrome is using a lot of memory [17:59] but my system memory usage is still reasonable [17:59] I have a bunch of plugins installed. some of them are probably using memory on each process [18:00] ChinnoDog: how many tabs do you have open? [18:00] oh wait, you answered that already :) [18:00] 14 [18:00] a little swapping is generally a good thing imho [18:00] Even if I had 300 open though I don't think that alone is a problem [18:00] it is a lot of swapping [18:01] everything freezes [18:01] KDE cries and disables effects [18:01] awww [18:02] Raising my swappiness value might alleviate this somewhat by swapping sooner but it doesn't explain why it is swapping when I have 1gb free yet [18:02] the output of 'free -m' suggests that it is being used as cache and the kernel won't give it up [18:03] actually I don't get how 3640mb of cach is being used in that output [18:03] it doesn't really make sense [18:03] linux always caches as much as possible [18:04] that's normal [18:04] * waltman notes that ram's cheap these days :) [18:04] that is not the point. idk where the rest of my RAM went [18:05] In your 14 tabs [18:05] That only accounts for 2.2gb [18:05] run top, then press M to sort processes by their memory usage [18:06] how much swap do you have? [18:06] chrome uses 21.8% [18:06] 669mb used [18:07] that's a lot to be swapping [18:07] I have a total of 5gb of swap which is rediculous [18:07] I know! [18:07] It's hard to tell on my box because all my chromes are separate processes. [18:07] you really just need more ram :) [18:07] RAMburgler? [18:07] That is what it seems like [18:07] gremlins are stealing my RAM [18:08] POUR WATER ON YOUR MACHINE [18:08] It doesn't hurt to restart chrome every once in a while [18:08] and stop feeding it after midnight [18:08] My problem is not with chrome, it is that I can't account for all of my memory [18:09] some of it's being used for disk caching [18:09] I am changing my swappiness to 40 [18:09] that should spread out my swapping a bit [18:12] One tab is using 906mb by itself 0_o [18:13] Someone load this and tell me how much memory it takes: http://gphangouts.com/hangout/extras/ [18:13] like a zillion memories [18:13] I can't even use google hangouts on my netbook [18:13] If you go into chrome's task managed you can see how much ram each tab's using. [18:13] That is where I am looking [18:13] (I don't know about the specific plugin) [18:14] 374,416k [18:15] * waltman goes to make some lunch [18:15] hmm [18:15] So... why does it take 906mb of my system but only 374mb on yours [18:16] plugin bloat? [18:17] could be caching data from the last time you used it, or a million other things [18:26] My desktop pc needs a web cam [18:34] Good afternoon y'all [18:34] ernobody wants to see that [18:37] I don't really get the draw of video conferencing, but I think that's because I'm afraid of people [18:37] I'm quite content to use google hangout with just voice [18:38] plus, I don't need to brush my hair or change into daytime clothes! [18:39] pleia2: use Stitch as a stand in ;-) [18:40] hehe [18:44] I loaded that page into firefox. Old top 495Mb, with page added - 494Mb Hrrmmm, it went down. [18:46] ChinnoDog: I'm on an i386 box. Maybe you're running 64 bits? [18:46] * waltman shrugs [18:50] My compiz gobbles more memory over time. Is there a way to reset compiz back to basic usage without rebooting ? rhpot1991 suggested disabling unity & reenabling it in CCSM. Might that be "Ubuntu Unity Plugin" that I UN check and REcheck ? [18:57] InHisName: sounds right [18:57] InHisName: there is a ppa with updates to compiz and unity that might help too [18:57] I started running that and ti seems better [18:58] * rhpot1991 tries to find that [19:00] https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/803943 [19:00] InHisName: read that ^ [19:00] Title: Bug #803943 in unity: “compiz consuming a lot of cpu” (at bugs.launchpad.net) [19:00] ppa is in there [19:00] rhpot1991: OK, I'll check it out. [19:01] Not so much CPU consumption but RAM consumption [19:02] InHisName: ppay may help, check for similar bugs though [19:02] They give tests to try to see if it applies. I'll try tests. [19:06] Mine shot up from 0% to 76% with moving window around desktop for compiz CPU consumption.