| Fudge | metasansana i got vmplayer working again so have aa vm up | 00:02 |
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| metasansana | ok | 00:03 |
| metasansana | Fudge: did you see my replies earlier? | 00:03 |
| metasansana | I was not aware I wen offline | 00:03 |
| Fudge | i did too for an hour when i went | 00:05 |
| Fudge | think i missed them | 00:05 |
| metasansana | oh ok | 00:06 |
| Fudge | not in logs under your nick, did you have an alt one? | 00:06 |
| metasansana | I could not use any of the accessibility options | 00:06 |
| metasansana | nope | 00:06 |
| Fudge | mm | 00:07 |
| metasansana | I couldn't click the buttons on the top right of the login screen either | 00:07 |
| Fudge | maybe i will ahve to try installing xubuntu-desktop on here and running startx with .xinitrc etc on a ubuntu see if having the gnome stuff helps | 00:07 |
| Fudge | thanx for trying | 00:08 |
| Fudge | charlie` usually knows all these things but i havnt seen him round | 00:08 |
| metasansana | np | 00:08 |
| Fudge | guess i shoudl stop zsyncing daily images of xubuntu :( sniff sniff | 00:10 |
| metasansana | well if your not testing, looking for bugs etc | 00:10 |
| metasansana | .. | 00:10 |
| metasansana | are you running the vms on a remote machine? | 00:11 |
| Fudge | nah this one im on now | 00:15 |
| Fudge | well my irssi is on my server in screen but i have an am3 8150 i recently built | 00:15 |
| Fudge | nice to be able to assign half your resources 8 gig ram 4 cpu cores | 00:15 |
| metasansana | the 64bit life | 00:17 |
| MrNaz | how often does the cron daemon refresh the crontab file? | 01:21 |
| TVasEyes | MrNaz: never. the crontab is read once every minute by defualt. | 01:47 |
| TVasEyes | default* | 01:48 |
| MrNaz | every minute hey | 01:49 |
| MrNaz | so me rebooting every time i change the cron tab to ensure it is being read is a tad unnecessary hehe | 01:49 |
| TVasEyes | corect. :) | 01:49 |
| TVasEyes | correct* | 01:49 |
| MrNaz | i am having difficulty getting my cron job to work | 01:49 |
| MrNaz | running xubuntu 10.10 | 01:50 |
| TVasEyes | sheesh can't type tonight... | 01:50 |
| TVasEyes | recommend you read cron(8) and crontab(5) | 01:50 |
| MrNaz | the line i have is: 49 12 * * 5 /home/ymatv/khutba &> /home/ymatv/log | 01:50 |
| MrNaz | its friday, and 12:49 came and went and i dont have either the expected output file from the script, or a log file | 01:51 |
| MrNaz | i've read quite a few manpages and forum posts on cron... i'm sure i'm missing something simple, but i dont know what it could be | 01:51 |
| MrNaz | i need to run this script with root privs, as it contains a sudo command, so i ran sudo crontab -e | 01:52 |
| MrNaz | and then added that line to the end, and completed the file with an empty line | 01:52 |
| MrNaz | but still no cheese | 01:52 |
| TVasEyes | I'd write 49 12 * * 5 /home/ymatv/khutba > /home/ymatv/log 2>&1 | 01:52 |
| MrNaz | i want the log appended, not clobbered, so >> | 01:53 |
| MrNaz | but yea | 01:53 |
| MrNaz | would that be the reason its not running? | 01:53 |
| TVasEyes | off the top of my head, I struggle with &> but will have a look in man bash now. :) | 01:54 |
| MrNaz | never mind ive switched to your syntax | 01:54 |
| MrNaz | set for 12:55 lets see if it runs | 01:54 |
| * MrNaz waits... | 01:54 | |
| MrNaz | nope | 01:55 |
| MrNaz | no go | 01:55 |
| TVasEyes | ah, ok, apparently &> is different idiom for 2>&1 | 01:55 |
| MrNaz | ok well neither seem to work | 01:56 |
| MrNaz | ive set it for 3 minutes ahead... lets see | 01:56 |
| TVasEyes | in that case, 49 12 * * 5 /home/ymatv/khutba >> /home/ymatv/log to append. just checked, (and oops) my crontab doesn't actually redirect stderr | 01:58 |
| TVasEyes | hm, s/crontab/crontab entry/ | 01:59 |
| MrNaz | hmm | 01:59 |
| MrNaz | mine does | 01:59 |
| MrNaz | it *seems* to be working | 01:59 |
| MrNaz | except that the file that the khutba script is supposed to generate doesn't appear | 02:00 |
| MrNaz | if i run sudo crontab -e as the command to edit the crontab, the scripts get run as root, right? | 02:00 |
| TVasEyes | not necessarily. | 02:00 |
| TVasEyes | every user, including user root, has theirt own crontab | 02:01 |
| TVasEyes | and cron daemon collects them | 02:01 |
| TVasEyes | -e will invoke EDITOR/VISUAL | 02:01 |
| TVasEyes | ie your preferred editor | 02:01 |
| MrNaz | ok, so how do i ensure that the command gets added to the root's crontab? | 02:02 |
| TVasEyes | log in as root (no, that's frowned upon here)... sudo cron -e ? | 02:02 |
| MrNaz | i dont even know how to log in as root... | 02:02 |
| MrNaz | i was thinking of adding a line to /etc/crontab ... that file seems to specify the user as well | 02:03 |
| TVasEyes | but you can run sudo command? | 02:03 |
| MrNaz | i can run sudo command | 02:03 |
| MrNaz | however, if the sudo is part of a cron job, won't it fail due to not supplying the password? | 02:03 |
| TVasEyes | this is about you being able to edit the respective file, once the crontab contains the entry it's just another job. | 02:04 |
| MrNaz | isnt that a security hole? | 02:05 |
| MrNaz | if a normal user can add a sudo command to their crontab and have it run, doesn't that give them a vector for priv escalation? | 02:05 |
| TVasEyes | I'm fairly new to xubuntu myself though and my slackware does not have the /etc/crontab file. | 02:06 |
| MrNaz | i was thinking of just putting debian on this box and sidestepping all this no root access nonsense | 02:07 |
| TVasEyes | you can just run cron -e and have a crontab for YOU, if your script does not need privileges. | 02:08 |
| MrNaz | but it does | 02:09 |
| MrNaz | the script grabs input from /dev/fw0 and that needs root | 02:10 |
| TVasEyes | I was just going to ask. :) | 02:10 |
| MrNaz | heh | 02:10 |
| MrNaz | this seems to much harder than it needs to be... | 02:10 |
| TVasEyes | anyway, /etc/crontab does look like the correct file for xubuntu. | 02:11 |
| TVasEyes | if you need root | 02:11 |
| MrNaz | is there anything wrong with just adding a line to /etc/crontab specifying the root user? | 02:11 |
| MrNaz | ok cool | 02:11 |
| MrNaz | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto <-- this article lead me to believe that simply running sudo crontab -e would add it to the root user's crontab... that didn't seem right, but the internet doesn't lie... | 02:12 |
| TVasEyes | oh, my bad. <TVasEyes> ... sudo cron -e ? yes, should have been sudo crontab -e sorry. | 02:14 |
| MrNaz | yep i picked up on that already... i never did cron -e | 02:14 |
| MrNaz | ok ive added it to /etc/crontab | 02:15 |
| MrNaz | if it doesnt work now i'm going to cry | 02:15 |
| TVasEyes | :) | 02:15 |
| MrNaz | command will execute in t minus 2 minutes... | 02:16 |
| MrNaz | i feel like im in one of those sci fi movies where the space station is going to self destruct | 02:17 |
| TVasEyes | :o | 02:17 |
| TVasEyes | boom?? | 02:18 |
| MrNaz | sort of | 02:19 |
| MrNaz | the log file appears | 02:19 |
| MrNaz | but no DV file | 02:19 |
| MrNaz | i'll go try it with the camera connected | 02:19 |
| MrNaz | (without the cam it should still spit a 0 byte file) | 02:19 |
| MrNaz | either way | 02:20 |
| MrNaz | i have to go now | 02:20 |
| TVasEyes | later. | 02:20 |
| MrNaz | thank you very much for your assistance, you've been most helpful | 02:20 |
| MrNaz | i shall remember you in my memoirs | 02:20 |
| TVasEyes | lol good luck with your camera. | 02:20 |
| Afdal | Hello | 04:39 |
| Afdal | Not sure if this is the best channel for Xubuntu install help | 04:39 |
| holstein | i doubt you find a better one... whats up? | 04:39 |
| Afdal | Okay :3 | 04:39 |
| Afdal | Well basically, Gparted is being retarded | 04:40 |
| Afdal | I'm on a live install right now | 04:40 |
| Afdal | Trying to sort this out | 04:40 |
| Afdal | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2785467/blurf.png | 04:41 |
| Afdal | Anyway, I have a RAID0 setup with Windows XP on one partition | 04:41 |
| Afdal | And I'm trying to specify my own partition size for a concurrent Xubuntu partition | 04:42 |
| Afdal | But I keep getting this infuriating error | 04:42 |
| holstein | Afdal: looks like you just need to specify the partition types | 04:43 |
| holstein | you can also just make some space and let the installer use the empty space | 04:43 |
| Afdal | But they are specified | 04:43 |
| Afdal | Aren't they? | 04:43 |
| holstein | Afdal: not for the installer though | 04:44 |
| holstein | or thats what im assuming | 04:44 |
| Afdal | I don't get it | 04:44 |
| holstein | under "mount point" | 04:44 |
| Afdal | What should I put under mount point? | 04:44 |
| holstein | you need / and you want swap | 04:44 |
| Afdal | /swap or just swap? | 04:44 |
| holstein | not following | 04:45 |
| Afdal | Uh | 04:45 |
| holstein | i think its a selection thing though | 04:45 |
| holstein | i dont think you need to manually specify | 04:45 |
| holstein | you just click on the "swap" or whatever | 04:45 |
| Afdal | Actually you can't specify the mount point for the swap partition | 04:45 |
| holstein | Afdal: fine | 04:45 |
| Afdal | Did you see that screenshot I posted? | 04:45 |
| holstein | hopefully it'll just use it then | 04:46 |
| holstein | and it should | 04:46 |
| Afdal | So what do I change ext4 to then? | 04:46 |
| holstein | Afdal: yup | 04:46 |
| holstein | Afdal: thats / | 04:46 |
| Afdal | the mount point, that is | 04:46 |
| holstein | you need to have that at least | 04:46 |
| Afdal | / or /root/ ? | 04:46 |
| holstein | ? | 04:46 |
| Afdal | okay, lemme try that real quick | 04:46 |
| holstein | / | 04:46 |
| Afdal | Yay | 04:48 |
| Afdal | Hopefully that's all there was to it | 04:48 |
| Afdal | When I tried the automatic installer earlier though | 04:48 |
| Afdal | I ran into this error where it couldn't install the boot loader at the end of it | 04:49 |
| Afdal | Hopefully that doesn't happen again | 04:49 |
| holstein | just let it finish if it does, and troubleshoot from there | 04:49 |
| Afdal | While I'm waiting | 04:54 |
| Afdal | Do you know if there's anything like Microsoft Intellitype for Linux? | 04:55 |
| holstein | whats it do? | 04:55 |
| Afdal | I have this Microsoft keyboard that needs it for a few features | 04:55 |
| Afdal | Like macros and modes | 04:55 |
| holstein | sure | 04:55 |
| Afdal | Oh and my media keys don't work without it | 04:56 |
| Afdal | No wait I take that back | 04:56 |
| Afdal | just the macros and modes | 04:56 |
| holstein | i mean, ideally... just purchase things from now on that work with linux... but you can get that working | 04:59 |
| Afdal | lol | 04:59 |
| Afdal | But I love this keyboard :3 | 04:59 |
| Afdal | Yep, ran into the error again | 05:01 |
| Afdal | Let me screencap it this time | 05:01 |
| holstein | the error? | 05:01 |
| holstein | the grub error? | 05:01 |
| Afdal | Yeah | 05:01 |
| holstein | you can try #ubuntu as well for that | 05:01 |
| holstein | you can also try other boot loaders | 05:01 |
| holstein | im not sure what of your raid will need to be worked around | 05:01 |
| Afdal | Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. | 05:02 |
| Afdal | Fatal error | 05:02 |
| Afdal | I think the problem is it's defaulting to that /dev/sda partition for the boot loader | 05:03 |
| Afdal | But that doesn't exist | 05:03 |
| Afdal | I want to boot loader on the same RAID partition my Xubuntu install is on | 05:04 |
| holstein | Afdal: dont sweat it.. you can do it from a live CD | 05:04 |
| holstein | or use another boot loader | 05:04 |
| holstein | plop... GAG.. whatever | 05:05 |
| Afdal | Well... | 05:05 |
| Afdal | What do those have over GRUB? | 05:05 |
| holstein | ? | 05:06 |
| holstein | they will likey be easy for you to use, and work | 05:06 |
| holstein | thats a + | 05:06 |
| holstein | other than that, nothing | 05:06 |
| Afdal | Nope, that wasn't the problem | 05:06 |
| Afdal | It gives an option to choose another partition to put the boot loader on | 05:07 |
| holstein | cool | 05:07 |
| Afdal | And I select my xubuntu boot partition and get the same fatal error | 05:07 |
| holstein | /dev/mapper or whatever | 05:07 |
| holstein | that wont work? | 05:07 |
| Afdal | nope | 05:07 |
| holstein | im just not sure how the raid is going to work | 05:07 |
| holstein | you can try #ubuntu | 05:07 |
| holstein | say "im trying to install grub to my raid" and take that screenie | 05:08 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2785467/blurf.png | 05:08 |
| Afdal | I can't put it on any of my partitions actually | 05:08 |
| Afdal | Including my NTSF and FAT32 partitions on my non-RAID storage drive | 05:08 |
| Afdal | Same error for all of them | 05:08 |
| holstein | Afdal: yeah, its just a raid thing though | 05:09 |
| Afdal | All right, lemme ask #ubuntu | 05:09 |
| holstein | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID | 05:09 |
| Afdal | I'm not doing software RAID | 05:09 |
| Afdal | This is a hardware RAID | 05:09 |
| holstein | cool | 05:10 |
| holstein | i assumed it was hardware | 05:10 |
| holstein | and i also still thing that is the issue | 05:10 |
| holstein | think* | 05:10 |
| Afdal | Well... | 05:10 |
| Afdal | Can you access GRUB loader installer from Xubuntu Live? | 05:11 |
| holstein | Afdal: sure... you can install grub from a live CD | 05:11 |
| Afdal | Maybe I can do it outside of the OS installer utility | 05:11 |
| holstein | !grub2 | Afdal | 05:11 |
| ubottu | Afdal: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) | 05:11 |
| holstein | i always refernce that... the bit about the live CD or whatever it is | 05:11 |
| holstein | Afdal: im about to sleep.. you could put it on a USB or something | 05:24 |
| holstein | anyways.. good luck... you can always just have a little grub partition outside the array | 05:24 |
| Afdal | the GRUB Loader on a USB drive? | 05:25 |
| holstein | yup | 05:25 |
| Afdal | well thanks for your help | 05:25 |
| Afdal | you can always just have a little grub partition outside the array | 05:25 |
| Afdal | I dunno about this | 05:25 |
| Afdal | Like I said, I've tried all of my drive partitions, including non-RAID ones | 05:25 |
| holstein | Afdal: if you have a drive that is not in the RAID | 05:25 |
| Afdal | yeah | 05:25 |
| holstein | hmmm... interesting | 05:25 |
| holstein | im sure its something fiddly that you'll sort out in a bit :) | 05:26 |
| holstein | no grub channel | 05:26 |
| holstein | you can try #ubuntu-beginners ...not that your a beginner | 05:26 |
| holstein | o/ | 05:26 |
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| cYmen_ | Okay, so as I expected, my keybindings are gone after a reboot. | 09:18 |
| cYmen_ | They are still in .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml but just don't work. | 09:19 |
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| paraxxo | hello | 13:58 |
| paraxxo | which ubuntu disto is for weak computers kubuntu or xubuntu i got confused | 13:59 |
| paraxxo | i mean lubuntu or xubuntu | 14:00 |
| knome | lubuntu is lighter of those two, but it isn't as mature and always easy-to-use as xubuntu | 14:04 |
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| Josssse | Hello guys. I'm trying to configure keyboard shortcuts for xubuntu. Does anyone know the commands for volume controlling? | 15:05 |
| Josssse | Like, for master volume. | 15:06 |
| laite | Josssse: I've done that with amixer, e.g. amixer set 'Master Front' 10%+ | 15:26 |
| laite | identifier for master may be something different, just launching amixer without arguments should show available option | 15:27 |
| mithrop | hi here | 15:40 |
| mithrop | I made a little mistake and delete the sound management in my top panel... I put one other back, but now I didn't have the "sexy" slider I had before :( | 15:44 |
| mithrop | somebody know how to get it back ? | 15:44 |
| holstein | mithrop: not sure what you are missing... you can try adding other ones til you get what you want... you can make a new user, login, and see what is there by default... you can boot up the live CD and look as well without changing you system at all :) | 15:49 |
| mithrop | holstein: ok. I'll try the new user idea :p | 15:49 |
| mithrop | brb in 2 minutes :p | 15:50 |
| GridCube | holstein, he had closed the volume manager from the indicator plugin, it doesnt respan, thats a bug, he just had to reset it from >panel >add item >indicator plugin | 15:59 |
| holstein | GridCube: thats what i was thinking could be learned from a new user account... what to add back | 16:01 |
| GridCube | no | 16:02 |
| GridCube | he just had to restore the indicator plugin | 16:03 |
| GridCube | no new user needed | 16:03 |
| nikolam | I booted from alternate cd, since my root is on software Raid1 and because I misconfigured grub2 so I can not boot, neither choose at the boot prompt. I am at 10.04 64bit | 16:34 |
| nikolam | It was so easy with grub1. Just menu.lst edit and voila!. And now?... | 16:34 |
| nikolam | I mounted and chrooted to system's root. Now what | 16:35 |
| nikolam | I have only grubinstall command in shell | 16:47 |
| nikolam | problem in that on startup, everytime is started memory test instead of booting linux | 16:50 |
| nikolam | and I do not see any boot menu and also do not know how to change that | 16:50 |
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| XartaoX | hai ... ... today i am fighting with my usb digi-cam not popping up when i plug it in | 19:59 |
| XartaoX | thunar-volman is configured to do so, and lsusb shows the camera correctly recognized | 19:59 |
| XartaoX | i have done some web research, but no solution as yet | 19:59 |
| XartaoX | i do NOT have auto-run programs... or auto-run files... turned on .. nor auto-download pictures | 20:00 |
| XartaoX | i have scoured my filesystem, but don't see the camera anywhere | 20:01 |
| XartaoX | i'd be fine with a simple command-line to mount it properly .. if that's the issue | 20:01 |
| XartaoX | err ... ok. i enabled all those options i had unchecked ... this time it at least notified me that the camera was recognized .. but nothing pops up | 20:04 |
| augustl | seems xubuntu (or any other linux) fails to detect the trackpoint on my thinkpad.. Anyone know where I should look for a possible fix? | 20:34 |
| augustl | what does device detection in linux? Is it udev? Or something else? | 20:50 |
| augustl | the trackpoint works if I disable the touchpad in bios settings. So I was thinking that perhaps I can "hardcode" the detected settings for the trackpoint | 20:50 |
| mongy | Im using the Faenza icons and no matter which variant I choose the battery icon on my panel background (which is dark) stands out with a light colour, where most/all other panel icons and indicators are fine. any ideas? | 20:59 |
| mongy | augustl, tried synclient TouchpadOff=1 to disable touchpad? | 21:00 |
| lordjj | I just ran update-grub2. I don't have experience with grub, could someone please take a look and tell me if my 3 OS's Windows, Mint, and Arch look like they should boot fine -before I reboot. http://paste.ubuntu.com/837061/ | 21:03 |
| mongy | looks ok from what I can see. | 21:06 |
| lordjj | Thanks. Appreciate it. | 21:06 |
| mongy | you can always use a livecd to rescue, if the unthinkable happens | 21:06 |
| lordjj | Yeah, I just wanna try and make sure it's ok before I have to do that. | 21:07 |
| Bril | Hello | 21:38 |
| Bril | Little problem here and i can use some help. I have Ubuntu, but I have also a old laptop with Xubuntu. Not all the buttons work anymore. | 21:39 |
| Bril | I am not at fast internet so i can't download the iso for a reinstall | 21:39 |
| Bril | I cant find a menu where i can choose what kind of keys I want. I think it is not the hardware because the 2 works, but the @ dont. Also the N and the R dont work. | 21:41 |
| Bril | So no numpad problem | 21:41 |
| mentaaal | has anyone had any problems with the default keyboard bindings in xubuntu? I can change desktops with <ctrl><alt><direction> keys but I cannot move a window to another desktop with the <ctrl><alt><shift><direction> keys despite being the default shortcut for this action. Any thoughts anyone? | 22:15 |
| * mongy is lazy and uses compiz | 22:19 | |
| mentaaal | i think i'll do that as well | 22:23 |
| mentaaal | thanks | 22:23 |
| mongy | not saying what you should do, just 'sayin' | 22:24 |
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| vjacob | hi all. can anyone give me a few points on what the best method is to take a file that has a package name on each line as well as the word 'installed and then: remove the 'install' word, delete line shifts and separate package names by a space only and save it to a new file? | 23:23 |
| artao | yo. wondering. looking at Synaptic right now. WHICH option for Wine do I pick to simply install a full Wine w/ GUI all in one go? | 23:30 |
| artao | i mean. there's Wine. Wine 1.2. Wine 1.3 ... | 23:31 |
| artao | winetricks | 23:31 |
| artao | qt4wine | 23:31 |
| artao | playonlinux | 23:31 |
| artao | let me guess ... #wine ... | 23:32 |
| knome | you should pick the newest | 23:32 |
| knome | just pick "Wine" | 23:32 |
| artao | well ... 'wine' --no version-- is labled 'meta package' .. wine 1.2 and 1.3 are labled 'binary emulator and library' | 23:33 |
| knome | meta package will pull the latest | 23:33 |
| knome | afaik | 23:33 |
| artao | .. and there is, apparently, no #wine .. ;] | 23:33 |
| artao | cool | 23:33 |
| knome | at least it will pull *some* version | 23:33 |
| artao | autochooses 1.3 .. yep | 23:34 |
| artao | ohhhhh sure!! XFCE!!! auto-open a dvd when i put it in, but NOT my digi-cam ... FINE!! :P | 23:35 |
| artao | whellp .. here comes Wine ... was kinda hoping to avoid this, but oh well | 23:36 |
| artao | certain apps i rather want | 23:36 |
| artao | just gotta 'member: WORKSTATION IS NOT FOR GAMESEZ!! lolZ | 23:36 |
| CXIV | artao "Remember , never use warezed software to make money" | 23:38 |
| CXIV | Its not to you :D | 23:39 |
| CXIV | Its just a quote | 23:39 |
| artao | lolz | 23:40 |
| artao | i try to go fully OSS for my digital studio .. but i'm fine with 'free' as well | 23:41 |
| artao | althoooooo ... if i had the $$$ i'd certainly buy photoshop | 23:41 |
| knome | artao, CXIV... we have a channel for offtopic chatter: #xubuntu-offtopic :) | 23:42 |
| CXIV | I know one professional photographer , who use basicly only Picasa :D | 23:42 |
| CXIV | Sorry | 23:42 |
| artao | i spose i could be reading some 'beginner manuals' for wine whilst it installs | 23:42 |
| knome | np | 23:42 |
| CXIV | Its because of ubuntu-pl :D | 23:42 |
| artao | fair nuf. PS has things I need. HDR images. many useful kinda 'hidden' features | 23:43 |
| dima-simfer | Hello! | 23:43 |
| CXIV | I go , on offtopic. | 23:43 |
| artao | hell !! I'd be fine with PS 7 .. last version i used | 23:43 |
| artao | sry | 23:43 |
| dima-simfer | Can anybody help me with global proxy settings& | 23:43 |
| dima-simfer | in xubuntu& | 23:44 |
| dima-simfer | ? | 23:44 |
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