[00:02] <Fudge> metasansana  i got vmplayer working again so have aa vm up
[00:03] <metasansana> ok
[00:03] <metasansana> Fudge: did you see my replies earlier?
[00:03] <metasansana> I was not aware I wen offline
[00:05] <Fudge> i did too for an hour when i went
[00:05] <Fudge> think i missed them
[00:06] <metasansana> oh ok
[00:06] <Fudge> not in logs under your nick, did you have an alt one?
[00:06] <metasansana> I could not use any of the accessibility options
[00:06] <metasansana> nope
[00:07] <Fudge> mm
[00:07] <metasansana> I couldn't click the buttons on the top right of the login screen either
[00:07] <Fudge> maybe i will ahve to try installing xubuntu-desktop on here and running startx with .xinitrc etc on a ubuntu see if having the gnome stuff helps
[00:08] <Fudge> thanx for trying
[00:08] <Fudge> charlie` usually knows all these things but i havnt seen him round
[00:08] <metasansana> np
[00:10] <Fudge> guess i shoudl stop zsyncing daily images of xubuntu :( sniff sniff
[00:10] <metasansana> well if your not testing, looking for bugs etc
[00:10] <metasansana> ..
[00:11] <metasansana> are you running the vms on a remote machine?
[00:15] <Fudge> nah this one im on now
[00:15] <Fudge> well my irssi is on my server in screen but i have an am3 8150 i recently built
[00:15] <Fudge> nice to be able to assign half your resources 8 gig ram 4 cpu cores
[00:17] <metasansana> the 64bit life
[01:21] <MrNaz> how often does the cron daemon refresh the crontab file?
[01:47] <TVasEyes> MrNaz: never.  the crontab is read once every minute by defualt.
[01:48] <TVasEyes> default*
[01:49] <MrNaz> every minute hey
[01:49] <MrNaz> so me rebooting every time i change the cron tab to ensure it is being read is a tad unnecessary hehe
[01:49] <TVasEyes> corect. :)
[01:49] <TVasEyes> correct*
[01:49] <MrNaz> i am having difficulty getting my cron job to work
[01:50] <MrNaz> running xubuntu 10.10
[01:50] <TVasEyes> sheesh can't type tonight...
[01:50] <TVasEyes> recommend you read cron(8) and crontab(5)
[01:50] <MrNaz> the line i have is:     49 12 * * 5 /home/ymatv/khutba &> /home/ymatv/log
[01:51] <MrNaz> its friday, and 12:49 came and went and i dont have either the expected output file from the script, or a log file
[01:51] <MrNaz> i've read quite a few manpages and forum posts on cron... i'm sure i'm missing something simple, but i dont know what it could be
[01:52] <MrNaz> i need to run this script with root privs, as it contains a sudo command, so i ran    sudo crontab -e
[01:52] <MrNaz> and then added that line to the end, and completed the file with an empty line
[01:52] <MrNaz> but still no cheese
[01:52] <TVasEyes> I'd write   49 12 * * 5 /home/ymatv/khutba > /home/ymatv/log 2>&1
[01:53] <MrNaz> i want the log appended, not clobbered, so >>
[01:53] <MrNaz> but yea
[01:53] <MrNaz> would that be the reason its not running?
[01:54] <TVasEyes> off the top of my head, I struggle with &>  but will have a look in man bash now. :)
[01:54] <MrNaz> never mind ive switched to your syntax
[01:54] <MrNaz> set for 12:55 lets see if it runs
[01:54]  * MrNaz waits...
[01:55] <MrNaz> nope
[01:55] <MrNaz> no go
[01:55] <TVasEyes> ah, ok, apparently &> is different idiom for 2>&1
[01:56] <MrNaz> ok well neither seem to work
[01:56] <MrNaz> ive set it for 3 minutes ahead... lets see
[01:58] <TVasEyes> in that case,   49 12 * * 5 /home/ymatv/khutba >> /home/ymatv/log    to append. just checked, (and oops) my crontab doesn't actually redirect stderr
[01:59] <TVasEyes> hm,  s/crontab/crontab entry/
[01:59] <MrNaz> hmm
[01:59] <MrNaz> mine does
[01:59] <MrNaz> it *seems* to be working
[02:00] <MrNaz> except that the file that the khutba script is supposed to generate doesn't appear
[02:00] <MrNaz> if i run     sudo crontab -e     as the command to edit the crontab, the scripts get run as root, right?
[02:00] <TVasEyes> not necessarily.
[02:01] <TVasEyes> every user, including user root, has theirt own crontab
[02:01] <TVasEyes> and cron daemon collects them
[02:01] <TVasEyes> -e will invoke EDITOR/VISUAL
[02:01] <TVasEyes> ie your preferred editor
[02:02] <MrNaz> ok, so how do i ensure that the command gets added to the root's crontab?
[02:02] <TVasEyes> log in as root (no, that's frowned upon here)...  sudo cron -e  ?
[02:02] <MrNaz> i dont even know how to log in as root...
[02:03] <MrNaz> i was thinking of adding a line to /etc/crontab ... that file seems to specify the user as well
[02:03] <TVasEyes> but you can run sudo  command?
[02:03] <MrNaz> i can run sudo command
[02:03] <MrNaz> however, if the sudo is part of a cron job, won't it fail due to not supplying the password?
[02:04] <TVasEyes> this is about you being able to edit the respective file, once the crontab contains the entry it's just another job.
[02:05] <MrNaz> isnt that a security hole?
[02:05] <MrNaz> if a normal user can add a sudo command to their crontab and have it run, doesn't that give them a vector for priv escalation?
[02:06] <TVasEyes> I'm fairly new to xubuntu myself though and my slackware does not have the /etc/crontab file.
[02:07] <MrNaz> i was thinking of just putting debian on this box and sidestepping all this no root access nonsense
[02:08] <TVasEyes> you can just run cron -e and have a crontab for YOU, if your script does not need privileges.
[02:09] <MrNaz> but it does
[02:10] <MrNaz> the script grabs input from /dev/fw0 and that needs root
[02:10] <TVasEyes> I was just going to ask. :)
[02:10] <MrNaz> heh
[02:10] <MrNaz> this seems to much harder than it needs to be...
[02:11] <TVasEyes> anyway, /etc/crontab does look like the correct file for xubuntu.
[02:11] <TVasEyes> if you need root
[02:11] <MrNaz> is there anything wrong with just adding a line to /etc/crontab specifying the root user?
[02:11] <MrNaz> ok cool
[02:12] <MrNaz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto   <-- this article lead me to believe that simply running    sudo crontab -e    would add it to the root user's crontab... that didn't seem right, but the internet doesn't lie...
[02:14] <TVasEyes> oh, my bad. <TVasEyes> ...  sudo cron -e  ?    yes, should have been sudo crontab -e    sorry.
[02:14] <MrNaz> yep i picked up on that already... i never did cron -e
[02:15] <MrNaz> ok ive added it to /etc/crontab
[02:15] <MrNaz> if it doesnt work now i'm going to cry
[02:15] <TVasEyes> :)
[02:16] <MrNaz> command will execute in t minus 2 minutes...
[02:17] <MrNaz> i feel like im in one of those sci fi movies where the space station is going to self destruct
[02:17] <TVasEyes> :o
[02:18] <TVasEyes> boom??
[02:19] <MrNaz> sort of
[02:19] <MrNaz> the log file appears
[02:19] <MrNaz> but no DV file
[02:19] <MrNaz> i'll go try it with the camera connected
[02:19] <MrNaz> (without the cam it should still spit a 0 byte file)
[02:20] <MrNaz> either way
[02:20] <MrNaz> i have to go now
[02:20] <TVasEyes> later.
[02:20] <MrNaz> thank you very much for your assistance, you've been most helpful
[02:20] <MrNaz> i shall remember you in my memoirs
[02:20] <TVasEyes> lol  good luck with your camera.
[04:39] <Afdal> Hello
[04:39] <Afdal> Not sure if this is the best channel for Xubuntu install help
[04:39] <holstein> i doubt you find a better one... whats up?
[04:39] <Afdal> Okay :3
[04:40] <Afdal> Well basically, Gparted is being retarded
[04:40] <Afdal> I'm on a live install right now
[04:40] <Afdal> Trying to sort this out
[04:41] <Afdal> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2785467/blurf.png
[04:41] <Afdal> Anyway, I have a RAID0 setup with Windows XP on one partition
[04:42] <Afdal> And I'm trying to specify my own partition size for a concurrent Xubuntu partition
[04:42] <Afdal> But I keep getting this infuriating error
[04:43] <holstein> Afdal: looks like you just need to specify the partition types
[04:43] <holstein> you can also just make some space and let the installer use the empty space
[04:43] <Afdal> But they are specified
[04:43] <Afdal> Aren't they?
[04:44] <holstein> Afdal: not for the installer though
[04:44] <holstein> or thats what im assuming
[04:44] <Afdal> I don't get it
[04:44] <holstein> under "mount point"
[04:44] <Afdal> What should I put under mount point?
[04:44] <holstein> you need / and you want swap
[04:44] <Afdal>  /swap or just swap?
[04:45] <holstein> not following
[04:45] <Afdal> Uh
[04:45] <holstein> i think its a selection thing though
[04:45] <holstein> i dont think you need to manually specify
[04:45] <holstein> you just click on the "swap" or whatever
[04:45] <Afdal> Actually you can't specify the mount point for the swap partition
[04:45] <holstein> Afdal: fine
[04:45] <Afdal> Did you see that screenshot I posted?
[04:46] <holstein> hopefully it'll just use it then
[04:46] <holstein> and it should
[04:46] <Afdal> So what do I change ext4 to then?
[04:46] <holstein> Afdal: yup
[04:46] <holstein> Afdal: thats /
[04:46] <Afdal> the mount point, that is
[04:46] <holstein> you need to have that at least
[04:46] <Afdal>  / or /root/ ?
[04:46] <holstein> ?
[04:46] <Afdal> okay, lemme try that real quick
[04:46] <holstein>  /
[04:48] <Afdal> Yay
[04:48] <Afdal> Hopefully that's all there was to it
[04:48] <Afdal> When I tried the automatic installer earlier though
[04:49] <Afdal> I ran into this error where it couldn't install the boot loader at the end of it
[04:49] <Afdal> Hopefully that doesn't happen again
[04:49] <holstein> just let it finish if it does, and troubleshoot from there
[04:54] <Afdal> While I'm waiting
[04:55] <Afdal> Do you know if there's anything like Microsoft Intellitype for Linux?
[04:55] <holstein> whats it do?
[04:55] <Afdal> I have this Microsoft keyboard that needs it for a few features
[04:55] <Afdal> Like macros and modes
[04:55] <holstein> sure
[04:56] <Afdal> Oh and my media keys don't work without it
[04:56] <Afdal> No wait I take that back
[04:56] <Afdal> just the macros and modes
[04:59] <holstein> i mean, ideally... just purchase things from now on that work with linux... but you can get that working
[04:59] <Afdal> lol
[04:59] <Afdal> But I love this keyboard :3
[05:01] <Afdal> Yep, ran into the error again
[05:01] <Afdal> Let me screencap it this time
[05:01] <holstein> the error?
[05:01] <holstein> the grub error?
[05:01] <Afdal> Yeah
[05:01] <holstein> you can try #ubuntu as well for that
[05:01] <holstein> you can also try other boot loaders
[05:01] <holstein> im not sure what of your raid will need to be worked around
[05:02] <Afdal> Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed.
[05:02] <Afdal> Fatal error
[05:03] <Afdal> I think the problem is it's defaulting to that /dev/sda partition for the boot loader
[05:03] <Afdal> But that doesn't exist
[05:04] <Afdal> I want to boot loader on the same RAID partition my Xubuntu install is on
[05:04] <holstein> Afdal: dont sweat it.. you can do it from a live CD
[05:04] <holstein> or use another boot loader
[05:05] <holstein> plop... GAG..  whatever
[05:05] <Afdal> Well...
[05:05] <Afdal> What do those have over GRUB?
[05:06] <holstein> ?
[05:06] <holstein> they will likey be easy for you to use, and work
[05:06] <holstein> thats a +
[05:06] <holstein> other than that, nothing
[05:06] <Afdal> Nope, that wasn't the problem
[05:07] <Afdal> It gives an option to choose another partition to put the boot loader on
[05:07] <holstein> cool
[05:07] <Afdal> And I select my xubuntu boot partition and get the same fatal error
[05:07] <holstein> /dev/mapper or whatever
[05:07] <holstein> that wont work?
[05:07] <Afdal> nope
[05:07] <holstein> im just not sure how the raid is going to work
[05:07] <holstein> you can try #ubuntu
[05:08] <holstein> say "im trying to install grub to my raid" and take that screenie
[05:08] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2785467/blurf.png
[05:08] <Afdal> I can't put it on any of my partitions actually
[05:08] <Afdal> Including my NTSF and FAT32 partitions on my non-RAID storage drive
[05:08] <Afdal> Same error for all of them
[05:09] <holstein> Afdal: yeah, its just a raid thing though
[05:09] <Afdal> All right, lemme ask #ubuntu
[05:09] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[05:09] <Afdal> I'm not doing software RAID
[05:09] <Afdal> This is a hardware RAID
[05:10] <holstein> cool
[05:10] <holstein> i assumed it was hardware
[05:10] <holstein> and i also still thing that is the issue
[05:10] <holstein> think*
[05:10] <Afdal> Well...
[05:11] <Afdal> Can you access GRUB loader installer from Xubuntu Live?
[05:11] <holstein> Afdal: sure... you can install grub from a live CD
[05:11] <Afdal> Maybe I can do it outside of the OS installer utility
[05:11] <holstein> !grub2 | Afdal
[05:11] <holstein> i always refernce that... the bit about the live CD or whatever it is
[05:24] <holstein> Afdal: im about to sleep.. you could put it on a USB or something
[05:24] <holstein> anyways.. good luck... you can always just have a little grub partition outside the array
[05:25] <Afdal> the GRUB Loader on a USB drive?
[05:25] <holstein> yup
[05:25] <Afdal> well thanks for your help
[05:25] <Afdal> you can always just have a little grub partition outside the array
[05:25] <Afdal> I dunno about this
[05:25] <Afdal> Like I said, I've tried all of my drive partitions, including non-RAID ones
[05:25] <holstein> Afdal: if you have a drive that is not in the RAID
[05:25] <Afdal> yeah
[05:25] <holstein> hmmm... interesting
[05:26] <holstein> im sure its something fiddly that you'll sort out in a bit :)
[05:26] <holstein> no grub channel
[05:26] <holstein> you can try #ubuntu-beginners ...not that your a beginner
[05:26] <holstein> o/
[09:18] <cYmen_> Okay, so as I expected, my keybindings are gone after a reboot.
[09:19] <cYmen_> They are still in .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml but just don't work.
[13:58] <paraxxo> hello
[13:59] <paraxxo> which ubuntu disto is for weak computers kubuntu or xubuntu i got confused
[14:00] <paraxxo> i mean lubuntu or xubuntu
[14:04] <knome> lubuntu is lighter of those two, but it isn't as mature and always easy-to-use as xubuntu
[15:05] <Josssse> Hello guys. I'm trying to configure keyboard shortcuts for xubuntu. Does anyone know the commands for volume controlling?
[15:06] <Josssse> Like, for master volume.
[15:26] <laite> Josssse: I've done that with amixer, e.g. amixer set 'Master Front' 10%+
[15:27] <laite> identifier for master may be something different, just launching amixer without arguments should show available option
[15:40] <mithrop> hi here
[15:44] <mithrop> I made a little mistake and delete the sound management in my top panel... I put one other back, but now I didn't have the "sexy" slider I had before :(
[15:44] <mithrop> somebody know how to get it back ?
[15:49] <holstein> mithrop: not sure what you are missing... you can try adding other ones til you get what you want... you can make a new user, login, and see what is there by default... you can boot up the live CD and look as well without changing you system at all :)
[15:49] <mithrop> holstein: ok. I'll try the new user idea :p
[15:50] <mithrop> brb in 2 minutes :p
[15:59] <GridCube> holstein, he had closed the volume manager from the indicator plugin, it doesnt respan, thats a bug, he just had to reset it from >panel >add item >indicator plugin
[16:01] <holstein> GridCube: thats what i was thinking could be learned from a new user account... what to add back
[16:02] <GridCube> no
[16:03] <GridCube> he just had to restore the indicator plugin
[16:03] <GridCube> no new user needed
[16:34] <nikolam> I booted from alternate cd, since my root is on software Raid1  and because I misconfigured grub2 so I can not boot, neither choose at the boot prompt. I am at 10.04 64bit
[16:34] <nikolam> It was so easy with grub1. Just menu.lst edit and voila!. And now?...
[16:35] <nikolam> I mounted and chrooted to system's root. Now what
[16:47] <nikolam> I have only grubinstall command in shell
[16:50] <nikolam> problem in that on startup, everytime is started memory test instead of booting linux
[16:50] <nikolam> and I do not see any boot menu and also do not know how to change that
[19:59] <XartaoX> hai ... ... today i am fighting with my usb digi-cam not popping up when i plug it in
[19:59] <XartaoX> thunar-volman is configured to do so, and lsusb shows the camera correctly recognized
[19:59] <XartaoX> i have done some web research, but no solution as yet
[20:00] <XartaoX> i do NOT have auto-run programs... or auto-run files... turned on .. nor auto-download pictures
[20:01] <XartaoX> i have scoured my filesystem, but don't see the camera anywhere
[20:01] <XartaoX> i'd be fine with a simple command-line to mount it properly .. if that's the issue
[20:04] <XartaoX> err ... ok. i enabled all those options i had unchecked ... this time it at least notified me that the camera was recognized .. but nothing pops up
[20:34] <augustl> seems xubuntu (or any other linux) fails to detect the trackpoint on my thinkpad.. Anyone know where I should look for a possible fix?
[20:50] <augustl> what does device detection in linux? Is it udev? Or something else?
[20:50] <augustl> the trackpoint works if I disable the touchpad in bios settings. So I was thinking that perhaps I can "hardcode" the detected settings for the trackpoint
[20:59] <mongy> Im using the Faenza icons and no matter which variant I choose the battery icon on my panel background (which is dark) stands out with a light colour, where most/all other panel icons and indicators are fine.  any ideas?
[21:00] <mongy> augustl, tried synclient TouchpadOff=1 to disable touchpad?
[21:03] <lordjj> I just ran update-grub2. I don't have experience with grub, could someone please take a look and tell me if my 3 OS's Windows, Mint, and Arch look like they should boot fine -before I reboot. http://paste.ubuntu.com/837061/
[21:06] <mongy> looks ok from what I can see.
[21:06] <lordjj> Thanks. Appreciate it.
[21:06] <mongy> you can always use a livecd to rescue, if the unthinkable happens
[21:07] <lordjj> Yeah, I just wanna try and make sure it's ok before I have to do that.
[21:38] <Bril> Hello
[21:39] <Bril> Little problem here and i can use some help. I have Ubuntu, but I have also a old laptop with Xubuntu. Not all the buttons work anymore.
[21:39] <Bril> I am not at fast internet so i can't download the iso for a reinstall
[21:41] <Bril> I cant find a menu where i can choose what kind of keys I want. I think it is not the hardware because the 2 works, but the @ dont. Also the N and the R dont work.
[21:41] <Bril> So no numpad problem
[22:15] <mentaaal> has anyone had any problems with the default keyboard bindings in xubuntu? I can change desktops with <ctrl><alt><direction> keys but I cannot move a window to another desktop with the <ctrl><alt><shift><direction> keys despite being the default shortcut for this action. Any thoughts anyone?
[22:19]  * mongy is lazy and uses compiz
[22:23] <mentaaal> i think i'll do that as well
[22:23] <mentaaal> thanks
[22:24] <mongy> not saying what you should do, just 'sayin'
[23:23] <vjacob> hi all. can anyone give me a few points on what the best method is to take a file that has a package name on each line as well as the word 'installed and then: remove the 'install' word, delete line shifts and separate package names by a space only and save it to a new file?
[23:30] <artao> yo. wondering. looking at Synaptic right now. WHICH option for Wine do I pick to simply install a full Wine w/ GUI all in one go?
[23:31] <artao> i mean. there's Wine. Wine 1.2. Wine 1.3 ...
[23:31] <artao> winetricks
[23:31] <artao> qt4wine
[23:31] <artao> playonlinux
[23:32] <artao> let me guess ... #wine ...
[23:32] <knome> you should pick the newest
[23:32] <knome> just pick "Wine"
[23:33] <artao> well ... 'wine' --no version-- is labled 'meta package' .. wine 1.2 and 1.3 are labled 'binary emulator and library'
[23:33] <knome> meta package will pull the latest
[23:33] <knome> afaik
[23:33] <artao> .. and there is, apparently, no #wine .. ;]
[23:33] <artao> cool
[23:33] <knome> at least it will pull *some* version
[23:34] <artao> autochooses 1.3 .. yep
[23:35] <artao> ohhhhh sure!! XFCE!!! auto-open a dvd when i put it in, but NOT my digi-cam ... FINE!! :P
[23:36] <artao> whellp .. here comes Wine ... was kinda hoping to avoid this, but oh well
[23:36] <artao> certain apps i rather want
[23:36] <artao> just gotta 'member: WORKSTATION IS NOT FOR GAMESEZ!! lolZ
[23:38] <CXIV> artao "Remember , never use warezed software to make money"
[23:39] <CXIV> Its not to you :D
[23:39] <CXIV> Its just a quote
[23:40] <artao> lolz
[23:41] <artao> i try to go fully OSS for my digital studio .. but i'm fine with 'free' as well
[23:41] <artao> althoooooo ... if i had the $$$ i'd certainly buy photoshop
[23:42] <knome> artao, CXIV... we have a channel for offtopic chatter: #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[23:42] <CXIV> I know one professional photographer , who use basicly only Picasa :D
[23:42] <CXIV> Sorry
[23:42] <artao> i spose i could be reading some 'beginner manuals' for wine whilst it installs
[23:42] <knome> np
[23:42] <CXIV> Its because of ubuntu-pl :D
[23:43] <artao> fair nuf. PS has things I need. HDR images. many useful kinda 'hidden' features
[23:43] <dima-simfer> Hello!
[23:43] <CXIV> I go , on offtopic.
[23:43] <artao> hell !! I'd be fine with PS 7 .. last version i used
[23:43] <artao> sry
[23:43] <dima-simfer> Can anybody help me with global proxy settings&
[23:44] <dima-simfer> in xubuntu&
[23:44] <dima-simfer> ?