| apachelogger | afiestas: didn't you have a patch for bug 898390 | 00:25 |
|---|---|---|
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 898390 in KDE Base Workspace "krandr-tray doesn't restore monitor arrangement on startup" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/898390 | 00:25 |
| apachelogger | "Follow feature freeze" | 00:41 |
| apachelogger | I think I need to write you people a 101 on how to write work items :P | 00:41 |
| Kurdistan | hi channel | 00:42 |
| apachelogger | [kubuntu-members] Make sure https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting is up to date and easily found from kubuntu.org: TODO | 00:43 |
| apachelogger | [kubuntu-members] Document on above wiki page which packages are kubuntu specific: TODO | 00:43 |
| apachelogger | that is wrong | 00:43 |
| apachelogger | the reporting stuff should not be on the wiki to begin with | 00:43 |
| Kurdistan | gnumdk is netrunner repo? | 00:43 |
| Kurdistan | I think so | 00:43 |
| apachelogger | gnumdk? | 00:43 |
| Kurdistan | apachelogger, https://launchpad.net/~gnumdk/+archive/ppa | 00:44 |
| yofel | apachelogger: where should it be? | 00:44 |
| Kurdistan | apachelogger, it was dicsussion about gnumdk. | 00:45 |
| Kurdistan | and I think he have some to do with kubuntu based netrunner | 00:45 |
| yofel | ah, you mean ejat | 00:45 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, exactly. | 00:45 |
| yofel | yeah, looks like it was the package from there | 00:45 |
| apachelogger | yofel: help.ubuntu | 00:46 |
| yofel | apachelogger: well, *that* links to our page | 00:46 |
| apachelogger | wiki = contributors | 00:46 |
| apachelogger | help = users | 00:46 |
| yofel | ah wait | 00:46 |
| yofel | right | 00:46 |
| yofel | agreed | 00:46 |
| Kurdistan | I will be much more in kubuntu channel then before | 00:46 |
| Kurdistan | thats what I can give right now and easy packing | 00:47 |
| * yofel hugs Kurdistan | 00:47 | |
| Kurdistan | only problem is uni :) | 00:47 |
| Kurdistan | but when I have time I will be here | 00:47 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, thats least I can do. | 00:48 |
| Kurdistan | kubuntu and kde is growing inside me | 00:48 |
| Kurdistan | I got loved with kde in 4.6.5 | 00:48 |
| Kurdistan | if we can fix smal issue with kubuntu, it will på top of the top. | 00:49 |
| afiestas | apachelogger: mope | 01:12 |
| afiestas | *nope | 01:12 |
| apachelogger | afiestas: go fix it then :P | 01:13 |
| afiestas | nah | 01:13 |
| apachelogger | I mean, it worked before 4.8 (at least for markey) so the regression cannot that big | 01:13 |
| apachelogger | though rather annoying impact | 01:13 |
| afiestas | I didn't broke it :p | 01:13 |
| Kurdistan | what is the regression? | 01:15 |
| yofel | screen resolution getting reset on every login | 01:16 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, hmm. is it "kubuntu" specific or upstream? | 01:18 |
| yofel | upstream from what I know | 01:19 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, oki. | 01:26 |
| Kurdistan | hmm it seems one http://i.imgur.com/2u5qd.jpg is affected of this bug | 01:26 |
| Kurdistan | and this person does not use nvidia beta drivers | 01:26 |
| Kurdistan | latest stable nvidia with kde 4.8.0 | 01:26 |
| Kurdistan | starting to think it can be kde/kubuntu bug | 01:27 |
| Kurdistan | problem accure when log in and log out | 01:28 |
| yofel | Kurdistan: hm, thinking of it, I've seen a black background issue in gtk apps sometimes, but it's like totally random and usually fixed by rebooting | 01:44 |
| yofel | it doesn't affetc Qt though | 01:44 |
| yofel | *affect | 01:44 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, yes it fixes with reboot | 01:47 |
| Kurdistan | or restarting x | 01:47 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, will try tomorrow if it effects qt | 01:48 |
| Kurdistan | bye channel. sleep. | 02:44 |
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| Kurdistan | yofel, you hade right my friend this bug only effects gtk application. | 10:53 |
| yofel | lol | 10:53 |
| yofel | even ubuntu's software center agrees that KDE apps are supreme :D | 10:53 |
| yofel | http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/softcent.png | 10:53 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, is there any bug-report about this? | 10:54 |
| yofel | no idea, I haven't filed one because I couldn't figure any way out how to reliably reproduce that | 10:54 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, I have just reproduce it. | 10:55 |
| Kurdistan | is seems 3 person include me are all nvidia users also | 10:55 |
| yofel | ... | 10:55 |
| yofel | well, same for me | 10:55 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, can you log in/out let say 3 time? | 10:55 |
| Kurdistan | this will happen then | 10:56 |
| yofel | hm, ok | 10:57 |
| yofel | oh fun, happened on first logout | 10:59 |
| yofel | now what to file a bug against..... | 10:59 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, then this is a kde bug and not nvidia | 10:59 |
| yofel | well, file it against oxygen-gtk, maybe they'll know where to look | 10:59 |
| yofel | except that this isn't theme specific at all | 11:00 |
| yofel | could be a bug in gtk as well | 11:00 |
| yofel | but then it would be gtk2 and gtk3 | 11:01 |
| * yofel is clueless | 11:01 | |
| Kurdistan | yofel, same here. | 11:01 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, only fix is restart computer or restarting x. | 11:02 |
| yofel | hm | 11:02 |
| * yofel kills kdm | 11:02 | |
| Kurdistan | yofel, you think it can be kdm related? | 11:02 |
| yofel | fixed | 11:03 |
| yofel | hm | 11:03 |
| yofel | as I said, I don't know. It could be anything that's related to gtk rendering | 11:03 |
| Kurdistan | can some one with other gaphical card test it? | 11:05 |
| Kurdistan | let se if it is nvidia only | 11:05 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, you are also running kde 4.8.0? | 11:05 |
| yofel | 4.8 precise | 11:06 |
| yofel | ah wait, I've an intel card in my eeePC | 11:06 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, okey, this can be kde 4.8.0 bug | 11:07 |
| yofel | I don't think so | 11:07 |
| * yofel throws the nvidia driver off his system | 11:07 | |
| Kurdistan | yofel, I am chatting with slackware user now. let see if he have the same issue. | 11:08 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, this bug did not effect your eeePC with intel? | 11:10 |
| yofel | now let's see if I can reproduce this with nouveau without locking my GPU up... | 11:13 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, hehe good luck. | 11:14 |
| * yofel files a bug against nvidia | 11:20 | |
| Kurdistan | yofel, so this was nvidia specific? | 11:21 |
| Kurdistan | you are a angel | 11:21 |
| yofel | intel: unreproducable, nouveau: unreproducable, nvidia 290: breaks after 1 or 2 tries | 11:22 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, remenber to mention | 11:22 |
| Kurdistan | also latest nvidia beta driver 295.17 breaks it | 11:22 |
| yofel | hm.... | 11:23 |
| yofel | now I need a working browser that I can file this with... | 11:23 |
| yofel | -.- | 11:23 |
| yofel | konqueror to the rescue :D | 11:24 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, hehe | 11:25 |
| yofel | hm | 11:27 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, same problem with konqueror? | 11:27 |
| yofel | no, but some Qt applications are affected after all | 11:28 |
| yofel | ksnapshot looks broken here | 11:28 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, hmm. that was intressting. | 11:29 |
| yofel | but I can't find a patter there. ksnapshot is rendered like dolphin from your snaphot, but everything else seems fine | 11:30 |
| yofel | *pattern | 11:30 |
| * yofel digs throug nvnews | 11:30 | |
| Kurdistan | yofel, can not find anything useful from nvnews | 11:33 |
| yofel | hm, why am I getting an nspluginviewer crash when I don't even have the wrapper installed o.O | 11:33 |
| yofel | ah, that's part of konqueror-nsplugins | 11:34 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, did you write bug-report for this to nvidia (nvnews)? | 11:38 |
| yofel | sry, filed a bug about nspluginviewer firt | 11:40 |
| yofel | *first | 11:40 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, take your time. | 11:43 |
| Kurdistan | I wonder if this is nvidia+kde 4.8.0 specific or not. | 11:44 |
| yofel | IIRC I've seen that with 4.7 too, so I rather thing it's an issue with the recent nvidia blobs | 11:45 |
| yofel | trying an older one might work, but X in precise is too new for that I think | 11:46 |
| yofel | on oneiric you could have a chance | 11:46 |
| yofel | Kurdistan: I've given up on nvnews. I'm horrible with captchas, add what you want on bug 930614 | 11:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 930614 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "Background in gtk applications is rendered wrong after logging out in KDE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930614 | 11:46 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, thx like I mention also 295.17 (beta) drivers are effected | 11:48 |
| yofel | sure, and set the bug to confirmed while you're at it | 11:48 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, will do. lets se my password for launchpad. | 11:49 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, so fixed my password. now I will confirmed. | 12:01 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, done. | 12:07 |
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| shadeslayer | Quintasan: I'm moving the telepathy kde packages into the team ppa | 12:46 |
| yofel | now... what did I want to do again when I woke up... | 12:48 |
| BluesKaj | Hey folks | 13:19 |
| Kurdistan | hi BluesKaj | 13:19 |
| BluesKaj | hey Kurdistan | 13:19 |
| Kurdistan | BluesKaj, you had nvidia card? | 13:19 |
| BluesKaj | yes | 13:19 |
| Kurdistan | https://launchpad.net/bugs/930614 | 13:19 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 930614 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "Application rendering broken after logging out in KDE" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 13:19 |
| BluesKaj | I haven't had any problems Kurdistan , and I have nvidia on 2 pcs runnining 12.04 | 13:22 |
| Kurdistan | BluesKaj, have you tried login out/in | 13:24 |
| Kurdistan | ? 2-3 times in road | 13:24 |
| BluesKaj | i did yesterday | 13:24 |
| Kurdistan | BluesKaj, okey intressting. | 13:29 |
| Kurdistan | it affects me, yofel and some user in swedish loco. | 13:29 |
| Kurdistan | we all have kde 4.8.0 and nvidia cards | 13:30 |
| yofel | BluesKaj: used any GTK stuff after that? | 13:30 |
| yofel | as this mostly affects gtk | 13:30 |
| BluesKaj | yofel, yes , synaptic, it doesn't accept text in the qquick search box , so one has to use the seperate search , but otherwise I haven't noticed anyhing | 13:33 |
| Tm_T | afiestas hmmm | 13:33 |
| BluesKaj | I can try relogging in | 13:34 |
| schnelle | Kurdistan, yofel: I am using opensorce ati drivers and I don't have that problems. | 13:34 |
| BluesKaj | schnelle, this is nvidia | 13:34 |
| schnelle | but for me logout on opensorce ati drivers doesn't work by default | 13:34 |
| yofel | schnelle: yeah, seems to be nvidia blob only | 13:34 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, it seems not effecting intel and ati then. | 13:34 |
| Kurdistan | only blob so far | 13:34 |
| Tm_T | afieastas' appmenu-"hud" thingy doesn't seem to work here /: | 13:35 |
| BluesKaj | ok ,brb I hope | 13:35 |
| schnelle | yes, but i want to say, by default logout doesn't work for me since... mmm ever. I have to edit kdmrc file and uncomment "TerminateServer=true" line | 13:35 |
| schnelle | so you can try to uncomment that line, reboot for change to take effect, and then logout/login to see does this tweak helps | 13:36 |
| yofel | that'll help | 13:36 |
| yofel | as we know that killing X helps | 13:36 |
| schnelle | yofel: why kubuntu doesn't ship this line uncommented by default? | 13:37 |
| schnelle | for many ati opensource users (and intel) logout doesn't work by default | 13:37 |
| schnelle | untill TerminateServer=true is uncommented | 13:38 |
| yofel | rephrase that: why does KDE ship that with false as default | 13:38 |
| Kurdistan | is there a fix for this? | 13:38 |
| yofel | Kurdistan: well, see what schnelle just said, and tell that the other person that's affected | 13:38 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, will try that. | 13:38 |
| schnelle | KUrdistan: you have to reboot after uncommeting the "TerminateServer=true" line | 13:39 |
| BluesKaj | all seems fine here , but I don't use much GTK , so I guess I'm not much help :) | 13:40 |
| yofel | apachelogger: what happened to your plymouth stuff? | 13:42 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, thx will do. | 13:42 |
| schnelle | will precise use kdm or lightdm? | 13:44 |
| yofel | kdm I guess | 13:45 |
| yofel | I have no idea what the progress on lightdm is | 13:45 |
| Kurdistan | it this will fix the issue should we have this from start in 12.04? | 13:45 |
| Kurdistan | *if this | 13:46 |
| yofel | well, I would have to talk to the kdm devs why this is false in the first place, then see if we can consider that | 13:46 |
| schnelle | in my experience, with ati and nvidia proprietary drivers, logout works, with opensource drivers i have to uncomment that line to make logout work | 13:48 |
| yofel | works fine with nouveau and intel | 13:48 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, my uncomment you mean remove # and were is kdmrc? | 13:48 |
| schnelle | yes | 13:48 |
| yofel | kdmrc is /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc | 13:48 |
| Kurdistan | I can not find it in .kde | 13:48 |
| Kurdistan | I see wrong dire... :) | 13:49 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, I do not even have TerminateServer=true in kdmrc | 13:50 |
| schnelle | very strange | 13:51 |
| yofel | Kurdistan: can you pastebin your kdmrc? | 13:51 |
| schnelle | i have it on all my installations | 13:51 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, I will do. | 13:51 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, http://paste.ubuntu.com/837832/ | 13:53 |
| yofel | Kurdistan: add the setting to the [X-:*-Core] section | 13:55 |
| Riddell | ideas and mentors needed for KDE.. | 13:56 |
| Riddell | 13:36 < Teo`> Everyone, GSoC 2012 ideas time! If you have an idea that you want to see implemented by a student during GSoC, don't keep it to yourself :D Please add it to the Ideas page http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2012/Ideas | 13:56 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, why does not I have this but schnelle ? | 13:56 |
| yofel | Kurdistan: no idea, your file doesn't have much to do with the default one | 13:57 |
| yofel | Kurdistan: see mine: http://paste.kde.org/278678 | 13:57 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, damn that was real different | 13:57 |
| shadeslayer | I added one | 13:58 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 13:58 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, http://paste.ubuntu.com/837840/ | 13:59 |
| Kurdistan | it should like this? | 13:59 |
| schnelle | Kurdistan, yofel: yes mine looks line yofel's too | 13:59 |
| yofel | I think yes | 13:59 |
| schnelle | *like | 13:59 |
| Kurdistan | thats wierd yours like different from mine | 13:59 |
| Kurdistan | brb rebooting | 14:03 |
| Kurdistan | and testing :) | 14:03 |
| BluesKaj | yofel, your looks like a conf file | 14:06 |
| BluesKaj | yours | 14:06 |
| Kurdistan | it worked | 14:11 |
| Kurdistan | like a charm | 14:11 |
| Kurdistan | :) log out/login several time. np anymore. | 14:12 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, :) you fixed it. | 14:12 |
| schnelle | for me this is "must do" for years ;) | 14:12 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, hehe okey. | 14:12 |
| schnelle | i hope someone ( yofel :) ) get in touch with kdm devs, and if they say that "it is safe", kubuntu could ship this as default | 14:14 |
| schnelle | there is no kdm channel on freenode | 14:15 |
| schnelle | it seems... | 14:15 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, that would be wonderful if thats happens. | 14:18 |
| Kurdistan | it seems to work perfect here | 14:18 |
| Kurdistan | and I thought first it was nvidia driver bug | 14:18 |
| Kurdistan | :P was hard against nvidia in there channel | 14:18 |
| schnelle | Kurdistan: well, kdm + opensorce ati driver = logout never worked by default | 14:20 |
| schnelle | gdm + ati driver = always worked | 14:20 |
| schnelle | so i think it is kdm issue | 14:20 |
| Kurdistan | schmidtm, okey. i think you have right. | 14:20 |
| Kurdistan | it most be kdm issue | 14:20 |
| schnelle | but i am totally noob about this, so i am just guessing... :) | 14:20 |
| PaulW2U | Hi all, I think you're describing launchpad bug #651294 which is marked as fix released. | 14:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 651294 in xorg-server (Ubuntu Maverick) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651294 | 14:21 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, :P not so noob if you could solve this. | 14:22 |
| PaulW2U | But I have to make the kdm modification each time I installed Kubuntu. :o( | 14:22 |
| Kurdistan | PaulW2U, mine problem is not really that x crashers. | 14:22 |
| schnelle | paulW2U: me too | 14:22 |
| Kurdistan | it is problem with rendering issue after login for gtk mainly and some qt | 14:22 |
| PaulW2U | No I don't see a crash either but if you look at the duplicate reports ... | 14:22 |
| schnelle | yes but the solution is the same: uncomment "TerminateServer=true" line | 14:23 |
| Kurdistan | PaulW2U, will read. | 14:23 |
| Kurdistan | PaulW2U, it is more a kdm bug then xorg-server I think. | 14:24 |
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| Kurdistan | :( boring now I have only one bug left on my system. | 14:28 |
| Kurdistan | that is application that are closed there icon still shows up. not always. | 14:28 |
| Kurdistan | :( what should I do if that fixes also. | 14:28 |
| Kurdistan | *panel bug | 14:29 |
| yofel | go install precise in a VM, although that works resonable well here.... | 14:33 |
| BluesKaj | Kurdistan, that panel bug has been around since 11.04 on my pc | 14:33 |
| Kurdistan | BluesKaj, yeah I know. :( | 14:33 |
| schnelle | Kurdistan: it is Qt bug. There is a ppa with patched Qt: ppa:hrvojes/qt | 14:34 |
| schnelle | upgrade qt from this ppa and panel bugs go away! :) | 14:34 |
| Kurdistan | BluesKaj, it seems not effect ati user. my parents computer did not have that problem if I remenber right. | 14:34 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, does it work for you? | 14:35 |
| Kurdistan | then we should apply that patch. | 14:36 |
| schnelle | i wrote last night to kubuntu-devel last night and asked kubuntu-devs to include patches in precise | 14:36 |
| schnelle | Kurdistan: it works perfect | 14:36 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, what was the response? | 14:36 |
| schnelle | it should be in for precise | 14:37 |
| schnelle | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005794.html | 14:37 |
| schnelle | so, i am using patched qt from ppa:hrvojes/qt, and all panel bugs are gone | 14:38 |
| Kurdistan | schmidtm, were is the patch? | 14:40 |
| Kurdistan | kubuntu 12.04 will be bugg free for me. :) | 14:41 |
| schnelle | read my message from kubuntu-devel (link above), i explained everything about patches there :) | 14:43 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, will read. | 14:44 |
| Kurdistan | I am trying the patch | 14:44 |
| BluesKaj | Kurdistan, ok, I have 2 pcs with nvidia , so didn't know it had to do with the nvidia module | 14:46 |
| schnelle | when you upgrade qt from ppa:hrvojes/qt, you have to reboot | 14:46 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, will do. :) will only add ppa | 14:47 |
| tsimpson | reboot?! I'm tempted to throw !language at you.. | 14:48 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, will restart the laptop :). lets hope it fix the problem for me. | 14:51 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: oh awesome, I'll check it out on rekonq master ( re kde bug 238303) | 14:57 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 238303 in http "gzip encoded files show encoded" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238303 | 14:57 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, it works great. | 14:58 |
| schnelle | Kurdistan: yay! :) for me only veromix plasmoid was broken after upgrade. so i removed it and then i reinstalled it. | 14:59 |
| schnelle | no more panel bugs! :) | 15:00 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, thx again. | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: I believe that is by design | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | ( re rekonq making the back button available only after the page loads ) | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | whee deadlock in rekonq | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | and book | 15:02 |
| shadeslayer | s/book/boom/ | 15:02 |
| kubotu | shadeslayer meant: "and boom" | 15:02 |
| apachelogger | yofel: oh, right, I should upload that | 15:05 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: then the design is broken | 15:05 |
| apachelogger | page loading can take looong | 15:05 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: then please tell that to the rekonq mailing list :) | 15:05 |
| shadeslayer | lemme find the exact commit for you | 15:05 |
| shadeslayer | hmm ... can't seem to find it, but I remember this was discussed somewhere | 15:09 |
| BluesKaj | so where's the patch ?, all I get is links to other related bugs | 15:09 |
| Kurdistan | BluesKaj, do you mean panel bugg? | 15:10 |
| Kurdistan | you have the patches here: https://launchpad.net/~hrvojes/+archive/qt | 15:11 |
| BluesKaj | Kurdistan, yes | 15:11 |
| BluesKaj | sometimes launchpad is the most annoying page | 15:11 |
| Kurdistan | BluesKaj, +1 | 15:12 |
| Kurdistan | it fixed the problem for me. now even application launches faster | 15:12 |
| Kurdistan | :) | 15:12 |
| BluesKaj | Kurdistan, good , updgrading now | 15:18 |
| Kurdistan | BluesKaj, restart your computer after. | 15:19 |
| yofel | logging out is probably enough... | 15:20 |
| yofel | probably | 15:20 |
| Kurdistan | I hope every thing went good for blueskaj | 15:28 |
| Kurdistan | BluesKaj, wb. | 15:34 |
| Kurdistan | did the patch work you? it worked here. | 15:35 |
| BluesKaj | yes , Kurdistan , schnelle ..works geat , thanks :) | 15:36 |
| BluesKaj | great | 15:37 |
| Kurdistan | BluesKaj, is only for me, or does application now open crazy fast? :) | 15:37 |
| Kurdistan | most be the bug that made application load slower to pop up | 15:38 |
| Kurdistan | :) it is so fast it feels to run lxde :P | 15:39 |
| BarkingFish | afternoon guys. Anyone about? I think we have some problems on the latest set of updates. | 15:40 |
| BluesKaj | yes Kurdistan , seems quite bit faster , especially system settings that used to take quite a while | 15:41 |
| BarkingFish | I have 27 updates to put through, but apper is screaming about Unsigned packages, which I go to confirm that I want to download and install, I click yes - and it takes me back to the start of the install process and asks me the same question repeatedly, until i click no. | 15:41 |
| Kurdistan | BluesKaj, exactly. even firefox loads crazy fast. | 15:42 |
| yofel | could be that the ppa has some preload stuff on too | 15:42 |
| BarkingFish | This is what I get: "You are about to install unsigned packages that can compromise your system, as it is impossible to verify if the software came from a trusted source. Are you sure you want to proceed with the installation?" | 15:42 |
| BarkingFish | if it's in our repositories, surely it's been put together with a signature, right? | 15:43 |
| BluesKaj | BarkingFish, well, if you're on 12.04 , unsigned packages is probly the norm ...using a package manager with a dev OS is bound to give the package manager apps fits :) | 15:43 |
| BarkingFish | I'm not though, I'm on 11.10 | 15:43 |
| BarkingFish | I'm not upgrading till 12.04 is released | 15:43 |
| yofel | usually you shouldn't get unsigned warnings | 15:43 |
| BarkingFish | I guess I need to install the remaining updates one by one, and find which one is unsigned... | 15:44 |
| yofel | file a bug againt apper somewhere and then check with apt-get update if you're missing some key | 15:44 |
| Kurdistan | BarkingFish, have you upgrade to kde 4.8.0? | 15:45 |
| BarkingFish | no, still on 4.7.4 | 15:45 |
| BarkingFish | I don't see any updates to 4.8.0 | 15:46 |
| Kurdistan | BarkingFish, does this help: sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* 2. sudo apt-get update 3. sudo apt-get upgrade | 15:47 |
| BarkingFish | I'll tell you in a sec :) | 15:47 |
| Kurdistan | BarkingFish, yppa manager is a good tool. it fixes a lot of stuff with repo and errors. | 15:50 |
| Kurdistan | BarkingFish, https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/y-ppa-manager | 15:51 |
| Kurdistan | it works great with kubuntu | 15:51 |
| BarkingFish | let me see how this goes first :D | 15:51 |
| yofel | just btw., this is the -dev channel, support is still in #kubuntu | 15:52 |
| * yofel is gone for a while | 15:52 | |
| Kurdistan | yofel, thats true. | 15:52 |
| BarkingFish | I'm gonna go make some coffee, this is taking a while :) | 15:52 |
| Kurdistan | BarkingFish, we can take it #kubuntu | 15:52 |
| BarkingFish | I'll keep it here for now, thanks Kurdistan - if it does turn out to be an unsigned package, these guys will need to know which one | 15:54 |
| Kurdistan | BarkingFish, okey. did it help anything? | 15:54 |
| BarkingFish | It still wants to upgrade the remaining packages I didn't do in the one by one, so I have 23 to come down now | 15:55 |
| BarkingFish | I'll see if doing the upgrade in a terminal flags anything up | 15:55 |
| BarkingFish | I didn't realise the kernel had been updated too :) | 15:57 |
| BarkingFish | this is gonna take some time. | 15:57 |
| Kurdistan | will log out. take care all. | 16:00 |
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| shadeslayer | apachelogger: poke | 16:09 |
| grmls | hi | 16:33 |
| BarkingFish | hi again guys, sorry about the long break. | 16:36 |
| BarkingFish | Right, everything went through in the terminal upgrade, and it was only the same packages that apper was trying to work on. | 16:37 |
| BarkingFish | So what I'm going to do is file a bug against apper, as suggested, and make sure that the KDE guys are aware that it's being a PITA. | 16:37 |
| BarkingFish | oh this is fun. KDE's bug reporter won't submit my bug :) | 16:45 |
| === bulldog98_home is now known as bulldog | ||
| === bulldog is now known as bulldog98_home | ||
| BarkingFish | Right, I've had to pass the bug to one of KDE's team to file, as the bugzilla won't submit my bug for some reason, I think the browser might be busted. | 16:56 |
| BarkingFish | rindolf is going to try and file, and once he does, I'll paste the bug number in here | 16:56 |
| BarkingFish | Ok guys, for the record - the apper bug is filed at KDE 293848 | 17:13 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 293848 in general "Apper mistakenly flagging unsigned packages - won't allow installation" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=293848 | 17:13 |
| EagleScreen | anyone know who is upstream of libreoffice-kde? where to send feedback about that package? | 17:16 |
| === bulldog98_home is now known as bulldog98 | ||
| BarkingFish | right guys, I'm gonna scoot for a bit. See you all later. | 17:31 |
| yofel | EagleScreen: libreoffice | 17:57 |
| yofel | EagleScreen: what's the feedback btw.? | 17:57 |
| EagleScreen | dropdown menus are ugly in KDE, they have no border | 17:58 |
| yofel | ah, true | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: yup, that commit fixed the buildlog bug | 18:01 |
| shadeslayer | huzzah | 18:01 |
| Riddell | sweet | 18:06 |
| Riddell | just needs rekonq packaged now :) | 18:06 |
| yofel | might as well do that, I'm done with gtk | 18:07 |
| yofel | or rather stuck on 2 mirs | 18:07 |
| Riddell | yofel: pinged the mir team? | 18:07 |
| yofel | there are bugs filed and ubuntu-mir subscribed, anything else to do? | 18:08 |
| yofel | I doubt they'll do much on a weekend | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: huh? | 18:10 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: I was wondering how one disables Werror in CMake | 18:10 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: but then cmake-qt-gui to the rescue | 18:11 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: if you're there, can you check if the Telepathy Integration Module is running for you in kded? | 18:12 |
| * yofel adds telepathy back to the panel | 18:12 | |
| yofel | I have an Instant Messaging Approver running, but no TIM | 18:14 |
| * BluesKaj waits patiently for rekonq flash crash fix :) | 18:14 | |
| shadeslayer | eeep | 18:15 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: if that's supposed to be in 'kde-telepathy-integration-module', that package is empty | 18:15 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 18:15 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: fixing | 18:15 |
| * shadeslayer does not know how that slipped past | 18:15 | |
| yofel | add proper long install files to the packages | 18:16 |
| yofel | otherwise that happens really easy | 18:16 |
| shadeslayer | fffuuuuuu | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: yeah, install file was not renamed | 18:17 |
| yofel | bwahahaha | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | I lol'd | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: why rename though? | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: telepathy-kde-foo to kde-telepathy-foo | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: following upstream changes | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | why does it have a name prefix though? | 18:18 |
| shadeslayer | name prefix? | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | isn't telepathy using atomic tarballs? | 18:18 |
| shadeslayer | I don't follow | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | foo.install rather than install | 18:18 |
| shadeslayer | as in, why does it have the install file? | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | no | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | why does the install file have a prefix | 18:19 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: I *really* don't understand what you're asking | 18:22 |
| apachelogger | perhaps you should RTFM then | 18:22 |
| apachelogger | then you will know what I mean | 18:22 |
| * shadeslayer brings up the new maintainers guide | 18:23 | |
| yofel | I think you'll find that faster in the policy | 18:23 |
| apachelogger | the new maintainers guide is not the manual for debian/install :P | 18:23 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: is there going to be dinner or am I to raid the fridge for booty? | 18:24 |
| shadeslayer | I've never seen a debian/install file tbh | 18:24 |
| * apachelogger finds that hard to believe | 18:24 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: I've always seen files like foo.install | 18:25 |
| yofel | well, you usually have more than one binary package, and if you just install everything you theoretically need none | 18:26 |
| yofel | so it's a rare case | 18:26 |
| apachelogger | yofel: rare with kde because you people insist on manually doing dbg packages | 18:26 |
| yofel | well, we dropped those on the debian merge anyway | 18:27 |
| yofel | I'll try to hack pkgbinarymangler for 4.9 beta | 18:27 |
| apachelogger | so it should be fairly common :P | 18:27 |
| yofel | then we won't need them in the first place | 18:27 |
| apachelogger | that hardly belongs in there IMHO | 18:27 |
| shadeslayer | I still can't find it, but I'm guessing the debian/install file just specifies where to install stuff when you have a single binary package | 18:27 |
| apachelogger | yofel: pkg-kde-tools seems the more logical place | 18:28 |
| yofel | apachelogger: beta packages without debug symbols are useless, no matter how unlikely a bug is | 18:28 |
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| yofel | ah, you meant that | 18:28 |
| yofel | ok | 18:28 |
| yofel | I'll look at that | 18:28 |
| apachelogger | dbg package generation is not really mangling as the symbols are stripped either way | 18:28 |
| apachelogger | with a dbg package they just do not get thrown away :) | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | !man dh_install | 18:29 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about man dh_install | 18:29 |
| yofel | well, more like I need to take a closer look at pkg-create-dbgsym | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | awww | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | ubottu: u mad? | 18:29 |
| ubottu | apachelogger: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/dh_install.1.html | 18:30 |
| shadeslayer | looking | 18:30 |
| shadeslayer | <3 krunner | 18:30 |
| apachelogger | one would think you know which component processes the install files so you can look at the manual when apachelogger instructs you to rtfm :P | 18:30 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: man page lists debian/package.install under Files | 18:31 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 18:31 |
| shadeslayer | nothing about debian/install | 18:31 |
| shadeslayer | and yeah, I know about dh_install, but thought the debian policy would probably give me better details about this file | 18:32 |
| apachelogger | well | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | let's bring the thougth a step further | 18:34 |
| yofel | I thought so, but it seems it doesn't, as the install files are specific to debhelper | 18:34 |
| apachelogger | if you have only one package | 18:34 |
| apachelogger | do you need an install file | 18:34 |
| apachelogger | muahhahaa | 18:34 |
| shadeslayer | not really I guess | 18:34 |
| yofel | well, undocumented feature it seems | 18:38 |
| yofel | now where was I.. | 18:39 |
| shadeslayer | indeed | 18:39 |
| yofel | ah, rekonq | 18:39 |
| shadeslayer | go go yofel | 18:40 |
| * shadeslayer needs to finish off this test | 18:40 | |
| apachelogger | yofel: oh, btw, I am reasonable certain the maintainer guide would explain debian/install | 18:40 |
| Kurdistan | :) this channel is to active to be a dev channel. :P | 18:40 |
| Kurdistan | (its good) | 18:40 |
| apachelogger | IIRC that guide has a fairly complete list of all common files one can find in debian/ | 18:40 |
| apachelogger | even the not so common ones (emacs anyone? S:) | 18:41 |
| yofel | Kurdistan: well, this is -dev, -dev-discuss, -dev-OT, -dev-look-out-of-the-window-to-see-blue-ponies, ... | 18:41 |
| shadeslayer | don't forget -dev-apachelogger-loves-nakid-pics | 18:41 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, I am impresed. thats why I comment. | 18:42 |
| Kurdistan | other dev channel people are sleeping | 18:42 |
| yofel | well, we're less than a week before feature freeze. The channel has it's quiet times too | 18:42 |
| yofel | *its | 18:42 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, how is it going 12.04? | 18:43 |
| yofel | so far, nice | 18:43 |
| apachelogger | yofel: yeah quite times between 6 and 10 utc :P | 18:43 |
| yofel | ^^ | 18:44 |
| Kurdistan | is it important that we need to follow 6 month release cycle? | 18:48 |
| Kurdistan | can we not release a version when the team feels it is good enough | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer | Kurdistan: now that we are a community supported distro we can | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer | but it's always better to follow the Ubuntu cycle | 18:52 |
| Kurdistan | shadeslayer, thats good. | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer | iirc edubuntu has it's own cycle | 18:52 |
| Kurdistan | shadeslayer, I mean to release when its ready. | 18:52 |
| Kurdistan | shadeslayer, I do not care much about ubuntu cycle. | 18:53 |
| shadeslayer | righto | 18:53 |
| Kurdistan | I think even 1 week later can be positive for stable for our users | 18:53 |
| Kurdistan | I normally recommend people to install new buntu release 1 month after the release | 18:54 |
| Kurdistan | atlest | 18:54 |
| yofel | why, just why are we running KDE 4.8.00? (what's up with the double-0?) | 19:00 |
| yofel | probably the reason why it looks broken on the about page too | 19:01 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 19:01 |
| shadeslayer | typo :P | 19:01 |
| yofel | ah well, 4.8.1 is in sight, so nvm | 19:02 |
| yofel | now, let's see if rekonq got any less broken | 19:03 |
| yofel | nope, although that's qtwebkit's fault | 19:04 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, it is still time to 4.8.1 | 19:08 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer, Kurdistan, but to release at any time some packages would not go to the repos | 19:08 |
| Kurdistan | or am I wrong? | 19:08 |
| rbelem | would we use ppa? | 19:08 |
| yofel | well, 2 weeks IIRC, near enough | 19:08 |
| Kurdistan | rbelem, which package? | 19:08 |
| rbelem | Kurdistan, any package maintained by kubuntu | 19:08 |
| shadeslayer | rbelem: huh? I mean, you can easily get stuff into universe right? | 19:09 |
| yofel | rekonq up | 19:09 |
| shadeslayer | yofel++ | 19:09 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, we will have it in backports when? | 19:10 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer, but not following the ubuntu release cycle we could not upload apcakges to the respos after some time, right? | 19:11 |
| yofel | Kurdistan: realase date or shortly after that | 19:11 |
| yofel | well, probably | 19:11 |
| yofel | well, I believe rbelem's right, so I don't think it's worth the hassle | 19:11 |
| shadeslayer | rbelem: not sure, I mean, we can surely release a couple of days later in order to fix critical bugs | 19:11 |
| yofel | except maybe delay release for a week if we need to fix stuff | 19:11 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, thats fast. | 19:12 |
| shadeslayer | I think what Kurdistan is trying to say is that we can now delay the release by a couple of days if we see show stopper bugs | 19:12 |
| yofel | Kurdistan: there's not much to do, just build and Q/A | 19:12 |
| Kurdistan | shadeslayer, exactly. | 19:13 |
| yofel | well, it's easy if you know what you do | 19:13 |
| * shadeslayer hates g_thread_new | 19:13 | |
| * yofel hates any kind of object oriented naming in C | 19:13 | |
| Kurdistan | it feels sometime ubuntu and other in buntu family hurry up to finish thing to release date | 19:14 |
| yofel | Kurdistan: we have more testing time for the LTS, but usually you're right | 19:14 |
| yofel | I remember being overworked in the days before oneiric final freeze | 19:14 |
| Kurdistan | I hope Kubuntu decided to release Kubuntu when critical bugs are fixed | 19:15 |
| Kurdistan | even if ubuntu have released | 19:15 |
| yofel | well, until now, we didn't have a choice | 19:16 |
| Kurdistan | that gives more time to all of kubuntu-dev | 19:16 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, yeah I know, but we can do that now. right? | 19:16 |
| yofel | probably, I'll tell you in half a year :P | 19:16 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, :( forgott thats after 12.04. | 19:17 |
| yofel | nah, for 12.04 the testing time is long enough | 19:20 |
| yofel | so I think we'll have enough time | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | yay | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: I just got your IM request | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 19:25 |
| yofel | lol | 19:25 |
| schnelle | guys, plasma-nm still have broken buttons, this bug is fixed upstream. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290964 | 19:25 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 290964 in Plasma Widget "Buttons out of place in plasma nm widget (KDE 4 8rc2)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | It was probably because of the daemon thing which was not there in the packages | 19:25 |
| schnelle | don't forget to update it ;) | 19:25 |
| * yofel can't say he's ever seen those artifacts | 19:27 | |
| schnelle | yofel: i see it in oneiric with kde 4.8 and also in precise | 19:28 |
| yofel | probably theme specific, I use produkt | 19:28 |
| * yofel fires up a VM | 19:28 | |
| schnelle | yofel: i see it with default theme, so it can't be a good thing ;) | 19:29 |
| yofel | agreed | 19:29 |
| schnelle | yofel: is it possible to update plasma-nm after fature freeze? | 19:30 |
| yofel | bug fixes are allowed till final freeze | 19:31 |
| yofel | just no new features | 19:31 |
| yofel | (without good reason) | 19:31 |
| schnelle | i can poke lamarque to ask him when he will realese new version of plasma-nm | 19:31 |
| schnelle | he is online now | 19:31 |
| yofel | ah, confirmed | 19:31 |
| schnelle | yofel: bug is not present in kde 4.7 | 19:32 |
| yofel | I'll cherry pick that in case he doesn't make it | 19:32 |
| schnelle | only in 4.8 | 19:32 |
| yofel | well, we ship an new pnm with 4.8 too | 19:32 |
| schnelle | yofel: if we want new (next) release of pnm in precise, can we update it after feature freeze (sorry i don't understand feture freeze very well) | 19:36 |
| yofel | sure, if it has only bugfixes | 19:36 |
| schnelle | <schnelle> hi lamarque. are you planing to release new version of plasma-nm soon? | 19:42 |
| schnelle | <lamarque> no. I am busy at work and trying to fix some crashes before the release. | 19:42 |
| Kurdistan | schnelle, are you responsible for plasma-nm package? | 19:43 |
| schnelle | no :) | 19:43 |
| schnelle | yofel: he'll probably doesn't make it. don't forget to cherry pick that (now i am going to google what "cherry picking" exacly means :) | 19:45 |
| schnelle | *he probably won't make it | 19:46 |
| yofel | well, really just: pick one commit out of a bowl full of commits | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | halp, I had too much too eat | 21:28 |
| apachelogger | waaah | 21:28 |
| apachelogger | [kubuntu-members] ditch kaccessible: TODO | 21:29 |
| apachelogger | someone plz explain | 21:29 |
| apachelogger | rbelem: is active foo in the archive yet? | 21:29 |
| yofel | apachelogger: so, what's the status of dragon3? | 21:36 |
| apachelogger | sleeping | 21:37 |
| Daskreech | There be dragons? | 21:38 |
| jussi | Daskreech: no... Here be dragons... | 22:00 |
| Daskreech | jussi: Umm I forgot umm my lunch ... | 22:03 |
| Daskreech | brb <_< | 22:03 |
| rbelem | apachelogger, i'm testing it currently | 22:05 |
| rbelem | apachelogger, i think i will upload it tomorrow | 22:05 |
| OffToHades | lemme just check, can anyone actually see me this time? | 22:28 |
| Riddell | oh well | 22:40 |
| Kurdistan | update of network manager (backport) | 22:46 |
| Kurdistan | what is the fix? | 22:46 |
| yofel | the buttons that schnelle talked about | 22:46 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, have you the log? | 22:47 |
| yofel | Kurdistan: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/02/11/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t19:25 | 22:48 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, thx. | 22:52 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, you are a angel. | 22:52 |
| yofel | well, it *did* look bad | 22:52 |
| Riddell | Subject: [kde-packager] KDevelop 4.3 Beta 2 ready to be packaged | 23:43 |
| BarkingFish | yofel: By the way, did you manage to ever fix xsettings-kde? | 23:56 |
| yofel | me not, but the fedora folks fixed it themselves, I just didn't noticed that hey had fixed it -.- | 23:56 |
| BarkingFish | evening all :) sorry, wrong way round! | 23:56 |
| BarkingFish | any indication as to what was wrong? | 23:56 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, what did they ix? | 23:57 |
| Kurdistan | *fix | 23:57 |
| yofel | BarkingFish: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=xsettings-kde.git;a=summary - last commit is fixing the patch | 23:57 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, is the xsetting fixed? | 23:58 |
| yofel | it is | 23:58 |
| BarkingFish | ah :) I'll have a peek when I can get on the net, connection is so slow that if I go to the web, i'll ping out on IRC :) | 23:58 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, nice. kde-gtk-config :) is not needed then? | 23:58 |
| BarkingFish | the snow here is playing hell with wifi. I'm picking up signals from 2 streets away, but can't get a decent connection to a beacon 10 metres from my front door :P | 23:59 |
| yofel | Kurdistan: not for now, we'll probably get it from debian next release. xsettings is a bit friendlier to other desktop envs | 23:59 |
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