[00:09] <Afdal> Can anyone tell me how to access /grub/menu.lst from a Live setup?
[00:09] <Afdal> I already have xubuntu installed
[00:10] <urlin2u> Afdal, menu.list is grub legacy is that what your using.
[00:10] <Afdal> oh, no
[00:10] <Afdal> I believe it's grub2
[00:11] <urlin2u> Afdal, was the XP a raid to begin with?
[00:11] <Afdal> What do I need to access to edit grub2's boot then?
[00:11] <Afdal> Yes
[00:11] <Afdal> This is a hardware RAID setup
[00:11] <urlin2u> Afdal, you might try the ##linux channel they are pretty savvy there.
[00:11] <Afdal> all right, thanks
[00:12] <Afdal> Baaah, I gotta register my nick there :/
[00:12] <urlin2u> Afdal, it is freenode that needs the registration.
[00:13] <Unit193> !nicksetup
[00:13] <ubot2> To setup your nick so that you can be given a cloak, please follow the instructions here: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[00:14] <urlin2u> Afdal, your actually more exsposed with your IP address exposed then you would be registered and with a cloak.
[00:15] <Afdal> It's not sending the confirmation thing to my e-mail
[00:15] <Afdal> Does that usually take a while?
[00:16] <urlin2u> happened pretty quick for me, but a few vaibles here to really answer.
[00:16] <Unit193> Remember to check spam.
[00:16] <Afdal> All my files are being held hostage until I get this resolved :(
[00:16] <urlin2u> variables
[00:16] <bioterror> it's grub.cfg
[00:16] <bioterror> and it's located in your hard drive
[00:16] <bioterror> mount it to /mnt/ or what ever
[00:17] <Afdal> How can I navigate to that with the terminal?
[00:17] <bioterror> sudo mount /dev/your-xubuntu-drive /mnt
[00:17] <Afdal> I'm very bad at terminal commands
[00:17] <bioterror> !terminal
[00:17] <ubot2> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[00:18] <Afdal> so...
[00:18] <Afdal> cd /mnt/boot/grub ?
[00:19] <bioterror> after you have mounted it, yes
[00:19] <Afdal> Now how do I edit that?
[00:19] <Afdal> grub.cfg
[00:21] <bioterror> with nano, for example
[00:21] <bioterror> my favourite would be vim
[00:21] <urlin2u> bioterror, that will stop them in their tracks lol. :)
[00:21] <Afdal> What are those things and how do I use them :>
[00:22] <urlin2u> see
[00:23] <Afdal> How do I even look at grub.cfg for starters
[00:23] <bioterror> less /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[00:23] <urlin2u> Afdal, it is not that what you want is so hard as you have suggested it is most likely hardly anybody has the patience to walk you through the whole thing.:)
[00:24] <Afdal> I thought this channel was for beginners :(
[00:24] <urlin2u> Afdal, sure but we are not paid it is free help.
[00:25] <Afdal> Well it's awful hard when the documentation for my problem is so scattered
[00:25] <Afdal> And nobody's willing to help
[00:25] <urlin2u> Afdal, try thr invite
[00:25] <urlin2u> try the
[00:26] <Afdal> invite?
[00:26] <urlin2u> You have been invited to #ubuntu-beginners-team by bioterror (wolfe.freenode.net)
[00:26] <Afdal> ono
[00:26] <Afdal> I'm not skilled enough to help other beginners D:>
[00:27] <urlin2u> Afdal, I think it is to help you, or talkabout your sistuation.
[00:27] <Unit193> urlin2u: Nope
[00:27] <urlin2u> Unit193, okay
[00:28] <Afdal> Well I'm trying to run grub.cfg with the command "/mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[00:28] <Afdal> And I'm getting "Permission denied"
[00:28] <Afdal> I tried "sudo /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[00:28] <Afdal> But instead it gives "command not found"
[00:29] <Afdal> I did a directory listing for /mnt/booth/grub
[00:29] <Afdal> And grub.cfg is definitely there
[00:29] <bioterror> use the sudo
[00:29] <Unit193> Use the nano.
[00:30] <Afdal> "nano /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg"?
[00:30] <bioterror> use nano with the sudo
[00:30] <Afdal> <.<
[00:30] <bioterror> sudo nano
[00:30] <Afdal> aha \:3/
[00:30] <Afdal> What does the nano command do anyway?
[00:30] <bioterror> I hope you understand grub more than i do
[00:31] <Afdal> hehe
[00:31] <bioterror> !nano
[00:31] <ubot2> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) - Terminal-based: nano, vi/vim, emacs, ed - For HTML/CSS editors, see !html - For programming editors and IDE, see !code
[00:31] <Afdal> Well I'm reading a guide
[00:31] <Afdal> Hopefully I can figure out how to edit it right now
[00:31] <bioterror> have something changed in your configuration?
[00:31] <Afdal> nano is a text editor?
[00:31] <bioterror> and that's the reason why your computer doesnt boot?
[00:32] <Afdal> I don't know what the problem is.  I thought I had it grub installed properly now, after some trouble
[00:32] <Afdal> But now when I select Ubuntu from grub
[00:32] <Afdal> It just loads this BusyBox built-in shell thing
[00:32] <bioterror> does it say anything else?
[00:32] <Afdal> I don't think so...
[00:32] <Afdal> It just dumps me into that command line
[00:35] <Afdal> "grub.cfg is the file most closely resembling GRUB's /boot/grub/menu.lst. This file contains the GRUB 2 menu information but unlike GRUB's menu.lst the grub.cfg file is not meant to be edited. "
[00:35] <Afdal> Aww nuts
[00:36] <bioterror> it is ment :D
[00:36] <bioterror> that's the place where's all the kernel lines
[00:48] <Afdal> hmm
[00:48] <Afdal> Apparently etc/default/grub is what I want to edit
[01:50] <Afdal> I'm about ready to just remove grub entirely
[01:50] <Afdal> and try this whole Linux-partition-on-a-hardware-RAID thing some other time
[01:51] <Afdal> Of course, that would entail knowing how to remove it...
[01:52] <Afdal> Not having access to my files right now is terrifying
[03:40] <philipballew> Can I change the number of tty shells that is the default easily?
[04:03] <TK_> hey everyone
[04:04] <JoseeAntonioR> TK_ Hi!
[04:05] <stlsaint> TK_: hey
[04:05]  * stlsaint = matt
[04:05] <benonsoftware> Hello stlsaint
[04:05] <stlsaint> benonsoftware: hey man whats up
[04:05] <benonsoftware> Sorry meant TK_ :P
[04:05] <stlsaint> oh
[04:05]  * stlsaint takes back hey to benonsoftware 
[04:06] <benonsoftware> Hiya stlsaint :P
[04:06] <TK_> ok matt. Im booting up my ubuntu now on my other laptop. Im ready to learn more linux
[04:06] <stlsaint> too late
[04:06] <benonsoftware> :(
[04:06] <TK_> good to meet everybody in the chat
[04:06] <stlsaint> TK_: there are many others, they are just sleeping
[04:07] <TK_> o ok, Yea I see all the names on the right side
[04:07] <stlsaint> TK_: ok, now granted i dont know much about unity aside from i hate it but ubuntu in general i hope i can help with
[04:08] <TK_> yes. The job just is a hardware testing position with linux, so they know I know lil about linux, but I need to know commands from what I hear
[04:08] <TK_> I done used the terminal and used a couple things like less,rm cp,and touch
[04:09] <stlsaint> TK_: ima gonan compile a program for ya called clicompanion
[04:09] <stlsaint> ha
[04:09] <stlsaint> ima gonan
[04:09] <stlsaint> lol
[04:09] <TK_> lol, ok
[04:09] <stlsaint> gonna be a min i just reinstalled new os
[04:10] <TK_> ok, Im using my laptop now with microsoft. Do i need to get on my other laptop, the one im using linux on
[04:10] <TK_> yes.I will use that one
[04:11] <TK_> brb
[04:12] <stlsaint> ha sweet no build needed...gotta love nightlies
[04:12] <TK_> ok im back
[04:13] <TK_> what are the other differences in microsoft and linux
[04:13] <stlsaint> TK_: alot man
[04:13] <TK_> I see linux is fast
[04:14] <TK_> I got 4 gigs on my HP
[04:15] <stlsaint> TK_: you see private message window on screen?
[04:15] <TK_> no
[04:16] <stlsaint> hrm, something strange with webchat maybe
[04:16] <stlsaint> alright well where are you wanting to start?
[04:17] <stlsaint> actually go here on ubuntu and download the _all.deb under the dropdown arrow in the source section of the precise release: https://launchpad.net/~clicompanion-devs/+archive/clicompanion-nightlies/+packages
[04:17] <TK_> the interview said i must understand linux, and understand linux command lines,troubleshooting,testing,and installing linux for these positions
[04:17] <TK_> ok
[04:17] <stlsaint> sounds like a sweet job...sit around installing and testing linux on hardware all day
[04:18] <stlsaint> your gonna want some basic scripts to do some repeat tasking
[04:18] <TK_> yes it do. but I only know 10 command lines so far
[04:18] <TK_> i been playing with them a little bit. I watched some youtube videos earlier on command lines
[04:18] <TK_> sudu
[04:26] <urlin2u> sudo and gksudo
[04:27] <Perdut> hi, is there an indicator plugin to adjust monitor brightness in 11.10 unity?
[04:43] <davkbod-ld> Anyone around?
[04:44] <urlin2u> nope ;)
[04:45] <davkbod-ld> good, glad to know I'm talking to myself...<grin>
[04:46] <stlsaint> davkbod-ld: need help?
[04:47] <davkbod-ld> back in radio days, we'd call out for a radio heck, and everyone would reply, "I got mine!!!"..
[04:48] <davkbod-ld> Yeah, I'm drowning in Server commands...
[04:49] <stlsaint> davkbod-ld: what commands?
[04:49] <stlsaint> servers are fun...no need to stress ;)
[04:50] <davkbod-ld> I just set up two boxes, one as server and other Wkstn, Ubuntu 11.10, and have other Win PC' s on network I want to share. -m-
[04:51] <davkbod-ld> (gotta crappy keyboard with bouts of amnesia and Kkkkeeeyybounce..)
[04:52] <davkbod-ld> but I played around with Unix and C and Xenix and Informix, and was always "almost there", then the resource went away..
[04:53] <davkbod-ld> now I'm remembering bits and peices, and encountering new stuff, and it's hard to see how it hangs together -m-
[04:54] <stlsaint> samba
[04:56] <davkbod-ld> My initial problem with "C" was not with the language its self, but the practicality of a compiler and library matching the library specified in the books never matched, and left me more befuddled than before...
[04:59] <davkbod-ld> I've been reading up on Samba, and found one article. when I tried printing it, the edges of the pager cut off. (I believe this was off the Linux workstation..aggrivating!
[04:59] <davkbod-ld> any how...greetings... I am in New Hampshire, USA..
[05:34] <TK_> im back
[06:39] <hobgoblin> hello sinux
[06:42] <sinux> hobgoblin, hi
[06:45] <stlsaint> hobgoblin: sup
[06:45] <hobgoblin> stlsaint: hey there - just waking up
[07:45] <mysteriousdarren> goodmorning from my part of the world
[07:49] <urlin2u> mysteriousdarren, where you at Transylvania. :)
[07:50] <mysteriousdarren> no the states
[07:50] <urlin2u> must be east coast midnight here in the pacific NW
[07:52] <urlin2u> not trying to phish yah just saying good morning as well..:)
[07:53] <mysteriousdarren> yes, central time zone. I work early today, gotta do some traveling.
[11:59] <Culiforge> OK, so I WAS running 10.04 and tried to install nvidia drivers for my 8400gs. It completely borked my install. Now I have a fresh 11.10 install and would like to get this card active, what can I do to get it running and safeguard my new install in case 11.10 hacks up a furball again?
[12:09] <hobgoblin> first I would say do you NEED the restricted driver Culiforge :)
[12:10] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: but as long as there is nothing wrong with the hardware I can't see it causing problems
[12:11] <Ninad_Mac> Hi ! just had to ask is it possible to dual boot Linux[ubuntu] + Linux[BT 4]
[12:11] <Ninad_Mac> have Mac OS already :)
[12:11] <Ninad_Mac> (
[12:12] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: indeed, when I installed the restricted driver before and did the required restart.. that's when my 10.04 died. I remember working with you as well as a half dozen others to fix the problem. We threw the kitchen sink at it. I'm wondering what i might do to "protect" myself in the event it happens again...
[12:12] <hobgoblin> triple boot Ninad_Mac - should be no problem, though I've never had to fiddle with a mac
[12:13] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: I know ...
[12:13] <Ninad_Mac> oh thanks !!!!!
[12:15] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: if you get issues following a reboot then do the nomodeset thing at boot - if that fails then in a root session in recovery mode mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak and reboot
[12:15] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: there's no xorg to backup with a new install and it seems that over the course of it all, my grub has been scattered to the four corners of my hard drives.. (but that's a problem for later)
[12:15] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: but you shouldn't have any issues ... works fine here
[12:15] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: there won't be a xorg until you install the nvidia
[12:16] <raju> ;seen zuke
[12:16] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: when you boot do you see the grub menu - as long as that's there then you can do stuff without having to deal with grub as well
[12:16] <hobgoblin> raju: pardon?
[12:17] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: if you don't see grub menu shall we make sure you can before you go further
[12:18] <Culiforge> hobgoblin:  on the previous issue I got the grub menu as well.. but couldn't boot to std. recovery, or command line.. I'm just very wary of having to spend all that time all over again.
[12:18] <raju>  hobgoblin last night a person named zuke pinged me , but i didnt replied him because of AFK . so i wanna tell him that
[12:18] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: I'll give it a go. I was just wondering if there was some sort of failsafe to implement before I began the process again
[12:19] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: let's make sure you can actually get where you can deal with issues if necessary shall we :) reboot and go to the recovery menu - make sure it lets you mount drives/root shell is there and then resume
[12:19] <hobgoblin> make sure you can see the boot menu
[12:20] <hobgoblin> then we at least know what you can get at if necessary lol
[12:21] <Culiforge> I do want to say again, I really appreciate everyone's help and assistance and *patience* through all this
[12:21] <hobgoblin> welcome - we'd not be here if we didn't want to help :)
[12:21] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: patience works both ways as well - you're being patient trying to get it working :)
[12:22] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: so, in my restr. drivers dialog... it shows nvidia ver. 173 (as well as same with post-release updates) and version current [recommended] and same with post-release updates...
[12:23] <Ninad_Mac> Q: Some of my pen-friends over net spoke abt ettercap , when i searched it over net i just came to know that it is used for somw man in middle attacks, just curious does  any one knows what is it ?
[12:23] <hobgoblin> have you ensured grub and recovery work Culiforge ?
[12:23] <Ninad_Mac> i just know that it needs BT !
[12:23] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: use the one called current
[12:24] <hobgoblin> Ninad_Mac: I've no idea - sorry - not my thing ...
[12:24] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: I have rebooted this sytem through grub, but not recovery.. shall I run through that first to make sure?
[12:24] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: I would if you had problems previously :)
[12:24] <Culiforge> ok then.. going down for reboot then, bbiafew
[12:24] <hobgoblin> k
[12:25] <hobgoblin> time for me to make a tea then
[12:31] <Ninad_Mac> Bye :)
[12:34] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: not working?
[12:35] <Culiforge> hobgoblin:  srry, went and got a coffee, going out now
[12:36] <hobgoblin> ok - got a bit concerned - almost had to log out so I wasn't here when you got back :D
[12:36] <Culiforge> hehe
[12:37] <hobgoblin> whoops
[12:43] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: that went ok...
[12:43] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: I'm just in ugly mode now that's all :)
[12:44] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: ahhh, you did run away didnt' you...
[12:44] <hobgoblin> lol Culiforge - reboot properly and install the driver - remember to use the one labelled current
[12:44] <hobgoblin> no - disconnected and came back :)
[12:44] <hobgoblin> fat fingers and no mouse control ...
[12:45] <Culiforge> right-o, i'm on it
[12:48] <Culiforge> ok, back in "not so ugly" mode
[12:48] <hobgoblin> :)
[12:49] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: OT just wanna mention.. I really don't like this dash thing in 11.10.... i'm just sayin'
[12:49] <hobgoblin> install xfce :)
[12:50] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: isnt' it like unity or somethin' can't i just uninstall that and go back to gnome...
[12:50] <hobgoblin> I don't either so don't use ubuntu - lets get the driver installed and working then we can look at other things if you want, be aware that the unity being sorted for release in april is somewhat different thab 11.10
[12:51] <Culiforge> no biggie, I'm just complainin.. you're right, one thing at a time..
[12:51]  * nlsthzn covers Unity's ears... she doesn't need to hear all this again... :p
[12:51] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: lets get the driver done and then we can deal with desktop environments :)
[12:55] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: hrmm, says install failed.. look at var/log/jockey.log.. going there now..
[12:55] <hobgoblin> pastebin it
[12:56] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: are you completely updated?
[12:56] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: far as i know..
[12:57] <hobgoblin> k
[13:00] <Culiforge> gobbledygook for me, you wanna see the last 10 min of jockey.log in pastbin?
[13:01] <hobgoblin> pastebin it yea
[13:01] <hobgoblin> but do the whole thing
[13:01] <Culiforge> entire log? ok
[13:02] <Culiforge> http://paste.ubuntu.com/837750/
[13:05] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: afk a sec, coffee refill
[13:09] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: back
[13:10] <Harmonium> Hello. I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 on fallback mode, and since the update, the "move window" key changed back from meta to alt. How can I modify it? I don't see the "Window" options anymore.
[13:10] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: brb
[13:10] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: K
[13:14] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: not sure - go back to restricted drivers and disable it - then try the 173
[13:14] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: ok
[13:20] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: again.. failed
[13:21] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: at least that.. it's failing to install so it's not going to break my system that way... :)
[13:21] <Culiforge> there's always an up-side
[13:21] <hobgoblin> mmm - make sure it's disabled in restricted drivers
[13:21] <hobgoblin> then tell me when you done that
[13:21] <hobgoblin> though if it failed to install it shouldn't need it
[13:22] <Culiforge> hmm? disabled.. it never activated.. I don't quite follow you
[13:22] <hobgoblin> then open a terminal and do    ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:22] <hobgoblin> yea - half asleep here ;)
[13:23] <hobgoblin> should be no output from that command - or a fail
[13:23] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: no such file or dir
[13:23] <hobgoblin> k - now do the dash thing - try software sources - see if that appears
[13:24] <hobgoblin> if not you'll have to go to the software centre and preferences or settings - then software sources
[13:24] <hobgoblin> once you got that open ping me
[13:25] <Culiforge> multiverse is ticked if that's what you mean..
[13:26] <Culiforge> ahh, none in the 'other software' tab was ticked
[13:28] <hobgoblin> not quite what I meant - use my nick and I'll get notified lol
[13:28] <hobgoblin> but nvm - do a reload and update if necessary
[13:28] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: don't quite have the hang of all the irc shortcuts..
[13:29] <hobgoblin> :) just using my nick will show me a notification :) I've got xchat in a different window
[13:30] <hobgoblin> when you've made sure there are no updates - then have one more go at restricted drivers
[13:31] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: ok, it wants to upgrade linux-image to 2.6.38-13
[13:31] <hobgoblin> I thought you said you were in 11.10 ?
[13:31] <Harmonium> Any idea how can I change the move window key from alt to meta? Ubuntu Tweak doesn't seem to have a way to do it either.
[13:32] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: from the grub menu, it says 2.6.38-13... so I don't know qute what that means... maybe an update for that kernel?
[13:33] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: yup, system info says 11.10
[13:33] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: mmmm - that's odd my 11.10 is up to 3.0.0-15
[13:34] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: can you do uname -a in a terminal please
[13:35] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: Linux ubuntu11 2.6.38-13-generic #54-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 3 13:44:52 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[13:35] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: afk a min brb
[13:40] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: ok, sry back now
[13:41] <hobgoblin> that is not the right kernel - do cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg then pastebin it for me please
[13:42] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: is this a clean install of 11.10 ?
[13:43] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: 11.04 > 11.10. couldn't get 11.10 to do it by itself
[13:43] <hobgoblin> k - do me the pastebin please
[13:43] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/837817/
[13:45] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: reboot and actually pick the first one - that is showing as Ubuntu, with Linux 3.0.0-15-generic
[13:45] <hobgoblin> you are actually using 11.04 not 11.10 I would say
[13:45] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: ok, bbiab with that
[14:06] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: not good... no boot system stops, no response from keyboard.. had to hard reboot
[14:06] <hobgoblin> mmm
[14:06] <hobgoblin> did you try a recovery mode boot?
[14:07] <hobgoblin> from memory you have a fairly good system - is that right - plenty of ram not a really old processor
[14:07] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: recovery mode does same halts at [0.258946] ACPI: Power Button [PWRF]
[14:08] <hobgoblin> tried acpi=off ?
[14:08] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: kinda low on mem.. 3.2ghz celeron, intel board
[14:08] <hobgoblin> how much ram is it?
[14:08] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: I didn't but I can..
[14:09] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: 512M atm
[14:09] <hobgoblin> aaah
[14:09] <hobgoblin> that'll not help and I think it'll be dog slow with 11.10 ubuntu
[14:09] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: ordered 2G got wrong stuff so wifes laptop got mem upgrade instead
[14:09] <hobgoblin> ha ha ha
[14:10] <hobgoblin> as you appear to not like unity - how about looking at xubuntu or lubuntu
[14:10] <hobgoblin> I moved to xubuntu myself
[14:10] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: 11.10/11.04 'franken-buntu' runs ok, little slower than the 10.04 that got botched
[14:11] <hobgoblin> do you actually need the 3d drivers? if not stay wioth nouveau
[14:11] <hobgoblin> I'm running 12.04 xubuntu here without the proprietary driver
[14:12] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: still plan on maxing ram when I get back around to it..
[14:12] <hobgoblin> try with acpi=off - you know how to edit kernel line at boot?
[14:13] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: so let me reboot and give that a go.. see how that goes.. I think so.. at grub press 'e' and add acpi=off at end of line right?
[14:13] <hobgoblin> yep - the line that has quiet splash etc
[14:14] <Culiforge> hobgoblin:  for the 3.0.foo kernel right?
[14:14] <hobgoblin> yep
[14:14] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: ok, once more into the breech!
[14:14] <hobgoblin> :)
[14:21] <Culiforge1> hobgoblin: ok, noacpi worked a charm...
[14:22] <hobgoblin> right - now try restricted drivers
[14:22] <Culiforge1> hobgoblin: you're right... system is slower now though
[14:22] <hobgoblin> but I think that unity is going to be like working with treacle with 512Mb RAM
[14:22] <hobgoblin> Id' have a go at installing xfce and trying that d/e
[14:23] <Unit193> 512 on Unity? I'd  go with your other recommendation.
[14:23] <Culiforge1> hobgoblin: d/e?
[14:23] <hobgoblin> thought you might
[14:23] <hobgoblin> Culiforge1: desktop environment
[14:24] <Culiforge1> hobgoblin: ok then, rest. drivers or should I pop in xfce first so I can get this done in a timely fashion
[14:25] <hobgoblin> 2 secs
[14:25] <Unit193> I hear Xfce is closer to Gnome2 than anything else you'll find, but I wasn't fond of Gnome2 personally.  There are other options too if you'd like though.
[14:26] <Culiforge1> Unit193: indeed, thanx
[14:27] <hobgoblin> Culiforge1: install xfce4 - that should be enough to get the desktop then you can play about and make it look nice
[14:28] <bioterror> I heard mate is even close to gnome2 than xfce4 is
[14:28] <bioterror> +r
[14:28] <hobgoblin> if you decide you like it install xubuntu instead of ubuntu
[14:29] <Culiforge1> hobgoblin: what was that command to view current kernel... I think it's still using the 2.~something one
[14:29] <hobgoblin> but tbh unless you have a pressing need for it I find nouveau to be more than adequate instead of nvidia
[14:29] <hobgoblin> uname -a
[14:30] <Culiforge1> hobgoblin: nope, 3.0,  but update manager wants to install 2.638-13...???
[14:31] <hobgoblin> well don't update it :)
[14:31] <Culiforge1> hobgoblin: right
[14:32] <Culiforge1> hobgoblin: ok, I gotta run for now.. I'll look into a lighter d/e and be back later -before- I break anything :)
[14:33] <Culiforge1> tc all and thanks again
[17:30] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: hey there, I'm back.. do you have time?
[17:30] <hobgoblin> little bit
[17:31] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: ok, cool.. what do I need to do to get the acpi=off permanent in grub.. or is that just a sign of an underlying problem?
[17:32] <hobgoblin> no real idea if it is indicative of anthing but easy to make it permanent
[17:32] <hobgoblin> you all booted and in 11.10 ?
[17:32] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: yup
[17:32] <hobgoblin> gui or happy to edit in a terminal
[17:33] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: ok with term, not confident fully but if it's easier for you to give directions...
[17:34] <hobgoblin> meh = gui if you prefer - run gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub from a terminal
[17:34] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: I can copy/past with the best of em!
[17:34] <hobgoblin> then find the line with "quiet splash" make it "quiet splash acpi=off"
[17:34] <hobgoblin> save file then run sudo update-grub
[17:35] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"?
[17:35] <hobgoblin> yep that line
[17:35] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: save and exit?
[17:36] <hobgoblin> yep then run the update command in a terminal
[17:37] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: done
[17:37] <hobgoblin> no errors
[17:37] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: no errors
[17:37] <hobgoblin> cool that's that done then :)
[17:37] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: ok, not restricted drivers yes?
[17:38] <hobgoblin> no - not done that yet lol
[17:38] <hobgoblin> reboot it make sure all's well
[17:39] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: righto.. umm.. I do have nvidia x server settings in my system menu now.. (running xfce now)
[17:39] <hobgoblin> oh you installed xfce then :)
[17:39] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: yep.. mighty peppy now!
[17:39] <hobgoblin> should be faster lol
[17:40] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: kinda like it was when I ditched my windows system...
[17:40] <hobgoblin> k - you still got a terminal open ? run gksudo nvidia-settings - should give you an error if there's no nvidia installed
[17:41] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: nvidia x server settings came up
[17:41] <hobgoblin> then you must be using nvidia
[17:42] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: so why is it automatic with xfce and so much trouble with gnome or unity?
[17:42] <hobgoblin> open restricted drivers
[17:42] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: cause I didn't do anything but install xfce
[17:42] <hobgoblin> there was/maybe is  a bug where restricted drivers said it needed to be installed/activated but actaully was
[17:42] <hobgoblin> open it up and have a look
[17:43] <hobgoblin> last time you installed nvidia and it said it failed it might not have done
[17:43] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: hmm... not seeing restricted drivers in the xfce menu..
[17:44] <hobgoblin> menu - settings - additional drivers
[17:44] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: ahh, was looking too low.. looking for restricted like in unity gnome
[17:45] <hobgoblin> :)
[17:45] <Culiforge> ver. 173 active and in use
[17:45] <hobgoblin> there you go then  - all done :)
[17:46] <hobgoblin> should be there in ubuntu too - though it will be slow with low ram
[17:46] <Culiforge> sweet! I'm gonna drop a brick if the acpi fixed my other install too
[17:46] <hobgoblin> personally I'd get used to xfce and if you like then eventually reinstall with xubuntu
[17:46] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: thanks so much.. I'm so much happier now :)
[17:47] <hobgoblin> if you need xfce help #xubuntu is a very good channel
[17:47] <hobgoblin> Culiforge: you're welcome :) time for food now - cya about
[17:47] <Culiforge> hobgoblin:  so what's actually the difference between just ubuntu with xfce and xubuntu?
[17:47] <hobgoblin> well xubuntu has a different set of default apps
[17:48] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: ahh, ok enjoy food.. see ya around
[17:48] <hobgoblin> leafpad instead of gedit/ thunar instead of nautilus/ others
[17:55] <hobgoblin> but all in all I'm happy with it Culiforge - I used ubuntu for 3 or 4 years then moved
[17:56] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: it reminds me very much of nimblex (I was using that as my live cd. I could load it completely into ram... faaaaaassst)
[17:57] <hobgoblin> never heard of it, sounds like bread they sell here made of clouds
[17:57] <Culiforge> hobgoblin: made for quick boots with all the rebooting I was doing
[17:57] <hobgoblin> lol
[17:57] <hobgoblin> anyway - glad you are sorted - off now :)
[21:10] <MrChrisDruif> !NTFS-3g
[21:10] <ubot2`> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[21:11] <Hans_> ok so i moved to the correct place i hope...
[21:11] <Hans_> short recap:
[21:12] <Hans_> i have a usb drive (wd mybook, ntfs) which is working perfectly fine
[21:12] <Hans_> now i just added a user in ubuntu (11.1)
[21:12] <Hans_> but i cant access the drive from his account
[21:13] <Hans_> i checked the 'access external storage devices autom" box
[21:13] <Hans_> i tried the sudo chmod 770 -R "/media/My Book" command
[21:14] <Hans_> but that doesn't change the permission settings
[21:14] <Hans_> they stay drwx------
[21:15] <Hans_> oh and for the record: i'm new as can be to linux, so it's still 'an adventure' :-)
[21:25] <Hans_> and the user seems to be assigned to the correct groups
[21:25] <Hans_> any help would be greatly appreciated
[21:28] <bioterror> add that drive to /etc/fstab
[21:28] <bioterror> with correct parameters
[21:28] <bioterror> above you have guidance
[21:29] <MrChrisDruif> !NTFS-3g
[21:29] <ubot2`> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[21:31] <Hans_> bioterror: can i just edit directly in that file?
[21:31] <holstein> Hans_: you *could* run nautilus as root temprorarily
[21:32] <Hans_> holstein: euh?
[21:32] <bioterror> holstein, that does not fix the problem
[21:33] <holstein> bioterror: helps troubleshoot though maybe
[21:33] <MrChrisDruif> In terminal do "gksudo nautilus" to run it as root...
[21:33] <bioterror> well
[21:33] <bioterror> it works for other users
[21:33] <holstein> bioterror: thats what im wondering
[21:33] <bioterror> as he stated
[21:33] <Hans_> indeed
[21:33] <bioterror> why would running it as "root" solve the problem
[21:34] <holstein> if it works as the other users, and you give the new user rights, and log out and back in to make sure those changes take effect, and it still doesnt work... then i would like to see the drive read and written to as root, just to be sure
[21:35] <Hans_> log out is that the same as switch user? i switched but did not log out
[21:36] <bioterror> log out
[21:36] <bioterror> completely
[21:36] <bioterror> becouse console-kit requires it
[21:37] <Hans_> well just logged the user out and back in, but it doesn't change anything.
[21:41] <Hans_> i just ran it with the gksudo nautilus command
[21:42] <Hans_> and i can copy files to and from it
[21:43] <Hans_> is it important with which user i run the gksudo thing? i'm doing all this from the admin account
[21:43] <Hans_> not from the 'problem' account
[21:45] <MrChrisDruif> Hans_; if the "problem" account also is in the sudo group (it can use sudo/gksudo to preform administrative tasks like installing software) it should also be able to run nautilus as root
[21:47] <Hans_> do i need to try that? the 'problem' account ("matteo") is not in the sudo group. does it have to be in order to access the mybook?
[21:48] <MrChrisDruif> !NTFS-3g | Hans_
[21:48] <ubot2`> Hans_: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[21:50] <Hans_> ntfs 3g is installed
[21:52] <Hans_> bioterror: about adding it to fstab: can i just edit that file or do i have the use some kind of interface/command for that?
[21:52] <bioterror> yes, you just add stuff there
[21:57] <Hans_> can i use /media/My Book as mount point? that's it's current path
[21:57] <bioterror> you have to create a folder with that name
[21:57] <bioterror> then you can use it
[21:58] <bioterror> when you umount that drive
[21:58] <bioterror> then you can create My Book
[21:58] <bioterror> but I would not use spaces
[21:58] <bioterror> I'm using words like "storage" "dump" "work" and so on under /media/
[21:59] <Hans_> so first i need to unmount the 'my book' then
[21:59] <bioterror> yes
[21:59] <Hans_> create a folder with a name without spaces f.ex. 'MyBook'
[21:59] <bioterror> that's what I would do
[22:00] <Hans_> then use /media/MyBook as mount point in the fstab thing
[22:00] <bioterror> yes
[22:00] <bioterror> and remember to use UUID instead of device
[22:00] <Hans_> ok
[22:00] <bioterror> you get drives UUID from command: sudo blkid
[22:00] <bioterror> it's that UUID=126402e5-6988-4efa-8bb9-87b768c7a0e8 kind of thingie
[22:00] <Hans_> i guess i need to reboot after i change fstab?
[22:00] <bioterror> you can if you want
[22:01] <bioterror> or you can say  "sudo mount -a"
[22:01] <Hans_> aha
[22:01] <escott> bioterror, Hans_ you don't need sudo for things in fstab
[22:01] <bioterror> escott, what+
[22:01] <bioterror> ?
[22:02] <escott> bioterror, if it is listed in fstab you do not need to sudo mount it
[22:02] <Hans_> will al this affect the fact that this mybook has shared folders on it (used f.ex. by my ethernet dvd drive)?
[22:02] <escott> bioterror, you can just mount without sudo
[22:03] <bioterror> last time I checked, mount -a required root priviledge
[22:03] <bioterror> s
[22:03] <escott> bioterror, yeah -a does but if he is just testing one mountpoint he should just mount /media/MyBook
[22:03] <Hans_> i'll add sudo just to be sure :-)
[22:04] <Hans_> coming back to earlier question: will al this affect the fact that this mybook has shared folders on it (used f.ex. by my ethernet dvd drive)?
[22:06] <Hans_> other question:
[22:07] <Hans_> can i first mount it as MyBook (so then i have the drive mounted twice) and then unmount it as 'My Book' it's current path?
[22:07] <bioterror> no
[22:07] <bioterror> I think not :D
[22:08] <Hans_> too bad. i don't understand why adding the drive in fstab will solve the permission issue?
[22:09] <escott> Hans_, best to umount the 'My Book' and then mount MyBook
[22:10] <Hans_> ok, but why do you think that will solve the permission issues?
[22:11] <bioterror> becouse there's user parameter in the options which will allow users to mount it
[22:11] <bioterror> and so the users should also have correct rights to that drive
[22:11] <Hans_> aha, is that the 'user' option?
[22:14] <escott> Hans_, it means that the user who asks for the partition to be mounted will be granted ownership of the files (necessary because windows doesnt understand unix permissions)
[22:14] <Hans_> so i would use this in fstab:  UUID=486E622C6E62134C /media/MyBook ntfs auto,user 0 0
[22:15] <Hans_> ok
[22:15] <Hans_> so does this look OK in fstab to you guys: UUID=486E622C6E62134C /media/MyBook ntfs auto,user 0 0
[22:16] <escott> Hans_, i think so. do sudo umount "/path/to/My Book"; and then mount /media/MyBook (without sudo) and then see if you can create a file in /media/MyBook
[22:17] <bioterror> Hans_, ntfs-3g
[22:18] <bioterror> defaults,user
[22:18] <bioterror> not auto,user
[22:18] <bioterror> otherwise it looks quite good
[22:21] <Hans_> ok will use defaults,user.
[22:22] <Hans_> euh, fstab is a read-only file
[22:22] <bioterror> use the sudo or gksudo
[22:22] <escott> Hans_, gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[22:22] <Hans_> ok
[22:22] <bioterror> cut & paste from that crippled priviledges editor to the proper one ;)
[22:24] <Hans_> well, not there yet
[22:24] <Hans_> this error message appears
[22:24] <Hans_> Unprivileged user can not mount NTFS block devices using the external FUSE library. Either mount the volume as root, or rebuild NTFS-3G with integrated FUSE support and make it setuid root.
[22:27] <Hans_> chinese to me. any suggestions?
[22:27] <escott> Hans_, i guess try it with sudo... it shouldnt be necessary but maybe something is weird with fuse
[22:29] <Hans_> escott, try what? sudo gedit instead of gksudo gedit?
[22:30] <bioterror> no
[22:30] <escott> no sudo mount /media/MyBook
[22:31] <bioterror> never use sudo with graphical applications
[22:31] <bioterror> only gksudo when in need to run gui stuff
[22:32] <Hans_> wait a minute
[22:33] <Hans_> i forgot to creat the /media/mybook folder before editing fstab
[22:33] <bioterror> you can create after
[22:33] <bioterror> but before mounting
[22:33] <Hans_> so that was not the reason for the error message?
[22:34] <escott> Hans_, no its something weird with FUSE filesystems like ntfs-3g. they don't follow normal permission rules wrt things in /etc/fstab
[22:35] <escott> Hans_, but it means you will have to use sudo to mount this fstab entry in the future. but if udisks is not working for you thats really the only option
[22:42] <Hans_> doesn't work
[22:43] <Hans_> when sudo mounting mybook it actually mounts the My Book again
[22:43] <Hans_> strange, because in fstab its mybook
[22:43] <Hans_> and i create the folder /media/mybook
[22:44] <escott> Hans_, verify that there is no other entry related to the mybook in your fstab
[22:44] <Hans_> i did and there isn't
[22:45] <Hans_> should i 'safely remove drive' in nautilus as well?
[22:45] <escott> Hans_, yes make sure its completely unmounted before you try to mount anything
[22:46] <Hans_> so umount alone isn't enough?
[22:46] <escott> Hans_, you can run "mount" without sudo and no options to list anything that is mounted
[22:46] <escott> Hans_, it won't always umount if someone has the folder open
[22:47] <Hans_> with mount i see this:
[22:48] <escott> !paste | Hans_
[22:48] <ubot2`> Hans_: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[22:49] <Hans_> ok so no paste
[22:50] <Hans_> this:  /dev/sdb1 on /media/mybook
[22:51] <escott> Hans_, it should say "type fuse (rw,user)" after that
[22:51] <Hans_> it says: type fuseblk
[22:52] <escott> Hans_, good
[22:52] <Hans_> (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[22:52] <Hans_> to be complete
[22:52] <escott> Hans_, so check if you can create/modify files in /media/mybook
[22:53] <Hans_> yes but i do not understand
[22:53] <Hans_> in nautilus it's labeled as My Book
[22:53] <Hans_> not mybook
[22:54] <Hans_> and i reverted to the original situation
[22:54] <Hans_> also in fstab
[22:54] <escott> Hans_, because thats the volume label. as long as it is mounted only once you are fine. so the "My Book" folder should be empty
[22:55] <Hans_> magically  the My Book folder is gone
[22:55] <Hans_> only mybook remains
[22:55] <Hans_> and i can read/write
[22:55] <escott> Hans_, yeah udisks removes folders when they are unmounted
[22:56] <Hans_> i'll log in as 'matteo' (problem user) again to try if i can mount the drive there
[22:57] <Hans_> SUCCESS
[22:57] <Hans_> it works
[22:58] <Hans_> should i keep that specific line in fstab or not?
[23:00] <Hans_> i guess not since the drive is mounted for both users now
[23:00] <escott> Hans_, if it is doing what you want I guess so. Its a little odd that you would need to make any modifications for something like this, but...
[23:02] <Hans_> ok thanks escott, you were a great help!!! and bioterror and ChrisDruif too of course:-)
[23:04] <Hans_> going to reboot to see if it stays working ;-) bye and thanks again
[23:05] <bioterror> should stay
[23:05] <bioterror> and it will be automatically mounted
[23:05] <bioterror> as it is in the fstab
[23:05] <bioterror> and that's read on boot
[23:19] <lukjad> Anyone here have experience with the Wacom Bamboo Capture? http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B005HGBEZ2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB
[23:23] <escott> lukjad, have you seen this https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2Fcommunity%2FWacom&ei=VPg2T6GeBdS62gWjoYD3AQ&usg=AFQjCNGTICZ6Mw87FacAh_En6LXNX0vYbg&sig2=0Ac38FOkfEVxxco7CPWRYw&cad=rja
[23:24] <lukjad> escott I hadn't, thanks. :)
[23:26] <Guest44728> Hi all. Got a question on partitioning. Got one drive in my netbook. I'd like to know if my / and /home partitions should be primary or logical and if they should be at the beginning or at the end of the disk... Thanks :-)
[23:27] <escott> Guest44728, doesn't matter
[23:28] <Guest44728> None of it?
[23:29] <escott> Guest44728, you are free to have one partition or two, and you can have them be logical or primary (although there isn't much reason to having them be logical unless you reach the 4 partition limit) and beginning end is meaningless with modern disks
[23:30] <Guest44728> Alright. Should I choose ext3 or ext4 for / and /home?
[23:30] <escott> Guest44728, ext4 is the default these days
[23:31] <Guest44728> Thanks!
[23:32] <Guest44728> So you say it wouldn't hurt to have swap, / and /home at the beginning of the disk?
[23:32] <Guest44728> Just to be 100% :D
[23:33] <escott> Guest44728, position beginning vs end doesn't matter in 99% of cases these days. a few older bioses wouldn't like booting a sector that was late in the disk, but you are unlikely to be affected by that
[23:34] <stlsaint> btrfs FTW!
[23:34] <Guest44728> That one's new right?
[23:34] <Guest44728> Thanks escott!
[23:41] <avi_> how do i download a cpu frequency scaling monitor applet
[23:43] <escott> avi_, for unity?
[23:43] <avi_> hi, thanks, for lucid