[06:07] <bazhang> heads up on bartley ; circumcision nut
[06:23] <pangolin> spammed that in ##physics, and reportedly in #medicine
 Hi, because of a file system inconsistency, I lost parts of /var/lib/dpkg. Is there a way to rebuild that directory?
[07:02] <bazhang> that sounds bad
[07:15] <bazhang> jetole, thanks for joining
[07:15] <jetole> bazhang: you called
[07:15] <jetole> no prob
[07:15] <jetole> how're you doing?
[07:15] <bazhang> well here better than #ubuntu
[07:15] <bazhang> couple of points, If I may
[07:16] <jetole> yeah it seems more on-topic here but I didn't know
[07:16] <jetole> please
[07:16] <bazhang> if you need to **** it then better not to type it, or find a friendlier way to express it
[07:17] <jetole> bazhang: while I can certainly appreciate not typing what may be behind the asterisks, isn't it a little too much to say you can't type the asterisks them selves, especially when it's not said in a unfriendly manner
[07:18] <jetole> by the way, I'm here to discuss and debate it but regardless, if your final answer says no then I'll abide because I don't wish to be kicked
[07:18] <bazhang> jetole, thats been the channel policy since #ubuntu channels have existed
[07:19] <bazhang> got to be nearly 7 or 8 years now
[07:19] <jetole> well, in that case, it's not mentioned in the guidelines at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines and it's certainly not a social action to keep a policy out of a published guideline
[07:19] <jetole> unless it is there and I somehow read past it/through it without noticing
[07:19] <bazhang> there are tons of factoids around, addressing that.
[07:20] <jetole> bazhang: I did find it out of context when I used a **** word in a friendly context after spending 2 hours helping someone else
[07:20] <jetole> diuneigh by the way who just piped up and said his problem was resolved
[07:20] <elky> jetole, read the "language and subject" section.
[07:20] <bazhang> they may not say the precise word "obfuscate" but thats what it comes down to
[07:20] <jetole> bazhang: by factoids you mean aspects of the guide page I just posted?
[07:20] <bazhang> !noob
[07:20] <elky> bazhang, it's clear he hasn't read them.
[07:21] <bazhang> elky, or just tired
[07:21] <jetole> elky: I did and commented on it in #ubuntu. Censoring ones self is not an obfuscation. An ofuscation involves using the word in a manner where it's clearly depicted but by using a non standard spelling like say replacing a letter with a number or a local slang (i.e. in miami, fl, where I live, you often hear bee-otch)
[07:22] <jetole> the acronyms was targetted at me?
[07:22] <bazhang> no
[07:22]  * jetole scrolls up to see which acronym I just used 
[07:22] <jetole> oh
[07:22] <jetole> never mind
[07:22] <elky> around here, *s are obfuscation.
[07:22] <bazhang> just an example factoid
[07:22] <jetole> I see
[07:23] <bazhang> so just keep it clean (think Disney clean) and everything's good
[07:24] <jetole> the guidelines should be clarified because around here where X rule applies, while easily interpreted by an op, it's still pretty much foreign language to the rest of us and I spent quite some time reading that guideline when pangolin told me I was in violation of it and I wanted to know why so I would not be kicked or banned
[07:24] <jetole> since I really don't want to be kicked or banned
[07:24] <jetole> hmmmm. but I prefer Fox TV
[07:24] <jetole> ;-)
[07:24] <bazhang> well we would hardly just do that out of the blue
[07:24] <bazhang> thanks for stopping by to clarify things
[07:25] <jetole> hey the thing is I actually came to #ubuntu from #ubuntu-server because diuneigh asked an off-topic question in #ubuntu-server and while I thought I could help him it had nothing to do with servers
[07:26] <bazhang> yep
[07:27] <jetole> so I'll abide if I have to but I still feel like the application in which it was used was basically applying the rules in a manner where no attempt at interpretation of the meaning of the context was used and at that point, it's hard to argue that it's not cold
[07:27] <bazhang> we all have to.
[07:28] <jetole> I had a cop not give me a ticket a month ago when I knew why he pulled me over and I told him I knew why, I was sorry, I was in a rush home from the office to pick up my girlfriend so I could take her to school but it's not an excuse so while I am sorry I accept the ticket
[07:28] <jetole> I mean if they can do it, well.... whatever. I now know the rules so good enough
[07:29] <jetole> though, seriously, can someone add to or make a clarification in the guidelines. It's annoying to read the rules and then still have to ask how you broke them without anyone making a clear point to where it says that you did
[07:29] <pangolin> jetole: The thing is if we allow some cursing in certain context then we end up having debates about why in X context it is ok and in Y context it isn't. To avoid that we ban the usage of completely and avoid any issues.
[07:29] <bazhang> jetole, you know them. lets move on please
[07:30] <pangolin> usage of it*
[07:30] <jetole> I was kind of expecting to find a bullet or a sentance that clearly stated I was wrong and while I believe it mentioned it's ultimately up to the better judgement of the ops, the more clarity, the more transparancy
[07:30] <jetole> pangolin: well... yeah. ok. I still don't agree entirelee but I understand enough to accept
[07:31] <pangolin> jetole: seriously, we don't need to make this a big issue. You appear to be an intelligent person and capable of discussing without using and curse words.
[07:31] <pangolin> any*
[07:31] <jetole> I've been a ubuntu geek since 6.06 so I'm not willing to forfeit my entry into the room
[07:31] <pangolin> alright, well I am glad we all understand each other
[07:32] <pangolin> thanks for stopping in.
[07:32] <jetole> pangolin: most the time and I will try to contain myself. I'm a systems engineer using ubuntu on servers at a rather successful e-commerce firm but me and the CEO shoot the... stuff from time to time using swear words
[07:32] <jetole> well one last thing...
[07:33] <jetole> I will try and I will make an honest effort but I might let one slip once in a while without meaning to, please don't kick me for the odd occurance
[07:33] <pangolin> I can't promise that. try really hard please.
[07:33] <jetole> who I am, how I was raised and how I speak, it's more common to me then may be accepted and, well, I will try
[07:33] <jetole> understood
[07:34] <jetole> thanks for taking the time to have an honest and fair chat about it
[07:34] <jetole> may I ask an off-topic question ?
[07:34] <pangolin> you just did
[07:34] <pangolin> :)
[07:34] <jetole> heh
[07:34] <jetole> true
[07:34] <pangolin> shoot
[07:34] <jetole> ok. here is another. Does anyone in here work for canonical?
[07:35] <pangolin> yes.
[07:35] <jetole> pangolin: you do or someone else?
[07:35] <pangolin> not me, no.
[07:35] <jetole> ok
[07:35] <jetole> I have shuttleworth on my rss feed and yeah we use the server on our servers where I work
[07:36] <jetole> 10.04 + kvm is our main VM interface plus we have a lot of other instances where it runs as a VM
[07:37] <jetole> plus it does run our windows instances as VM's quite well and we've used ESXi and Xen in the past and forwarded the migration away from both because bottlenecks were found where the new solution didn't have them and KVM ultimately came out on top
[07:37] <jetole> ok. well. enough with my off-topic
[07:37]  * jetole goes back to #ubuntu
[07:38] <pangolin> jetole: I don't mean to be rude but I really want to get back to watching this movie. #ubuntu-offtopic is a good place to chat and usually intelligent conversation attracts some smart folks. You are most welcome to join.
[07:38] <jetole> actually, quickly, before you do
[07:39] <jetole> and I hope it's ok to quote myself
[07:39] <jetole> in #ubuntu, I said "I was just ****ing with him" meaning screwing around, kidding, etc. Is it cool to say "I was just screwing with him"?
[07:40] <elky> that or messing would be fine
[07:40] <jetole> ok
[07:40] <jetole> thanks
[07:40] <elky> whereas what you've said looks like you're using one of carlin's seven.
[07:41] <jetole> should I google carlins'... oh... george carlin
[07:41] <jetole> heh
[07:41] <elky> and once we introduce those, they inevitably escalate
[07:41] <jetole> yeah he was cool in the movie Dogma but I get you're point
[07:42] <elky> some kids seem to take those words as an invitation to all out wankery
[07:42] <jetole> I still strongly feel that the context of the conversation should outweigh a printed rule but I'm a guest in #ubuntu-ops meaning I'm not an op and don't make the rules so while I disagree, you all have kindly made your point that I must abide by
[07:43] <jetole> all out wankery. heh. ok. that's actually a good way to put it. I mean not the quote to all out wankery. I just thought the choice of words was funny there but saying as how if I use a word, even censored in a fair context without insult or harassment, how someone else can view it as an ok to use that same word in a more demeaning aspect
[07:44] <jetole> elky: I like that answer
[07:44]  * jetole nods 
[07:44] <jetole> elky: if you don't mind me asking, are you from the UK?
[07:46] <jetole> do these same rules apply and if so, do they apply as strictly to a *-offtopic room?
[07:55] <elky> jetole, the language rules apply to the offtopic room, yes.
[07:56] <jetole> ok
[07:56] <jetole> thanks again
[08:28] <topyli> jetole: anything else we can help you with? idling is not exactly allowed here in -ops (see the /topic)
[08:52] <jetole> topyli: I think I'm ok and I often prefer to idle in a room but didn't know so I off I go (in a minute once I see there are no replies)
[09:11] <bazhang> augh
[09:11] <bazhang> jetole and lmgtfy.com links
[09:13] <jetole> I didn't know that was a rule and he was being kinda rude
[09:13] <jetole> again, I didn't know and I won't do it again
[09:13] <bazhang> thats never a reason to do that
[09:13] <bazhang> jetole, please dont idle here
[09:13] <jetole> ok
[09:13] <bioterror> :D
[09:14] <bazhang> ?
[09:14] <bioterror> it doesnt make yourself any better to act like that :(
[09:14] <bazhang> bioterror, pardon?
[09:14] <bioterror> I mean pasting lmgtfy urls to others
[09:15] <bazhang> jetole was the one who posted it bioterror , it's very insulting to do so
[09:16] <bioterror> yes
[09:17] <bioterror> I just put diaper on my son, it teared it off and peed on a floor
[09:17] <bioterror> I'm feeling now a little frustrated
[09:18] <topyli> sounds like he likes freedom
[09:19] <bioterror> sounds like
[09:24] <jussi> bioterror: least he didnt piss in your face :D
[09:27] <bazhang> mernilio is on his very last warning
[09:27] <pangolin> +1
[09:37] <Tm_T> I miss diapers /:
[09:37] <bazhang> your own?
[09:38] <jussi> hahahah!!
[09:38] <oCean> :D
[09:38] <Tm_T> bazhang: I cannot miss something that I have currently, can I?
[09:38] <jussi> bazhang: epic!
[09:38] <bazhang> Tm_T, well played sir
[09:38] <Tm_T> or hmm, am I that senile now too
[09:50] <jussi> Tm_T: now? you always were :P
[09:53] <Tm_T> jussi: I don't remember, thus it didn't happen
[09:54] <Tm_T> what was this about anyway, I need coffee
[09:55] <Tm_T> Guest36384: how can we help you? (:
[10:00] <jussi01> whoops, it worked :D
[10:00] <oCean> themonitor: hi there
[10:00] <themonitor> Hi
[10:00] <oCean> who is spamming?
[10:01] <themonitor> brb
[10:01] <bazhang> ?
[10:02] <themonitor> JiggyBlkMn
[10:02] <bazhang> klined
[10:02] <oCean> yep
[10:02] <oCean> themonitor: he is removed from the network
[10:02] <themonitor> thx
[10:03] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu jetole warned repeatedly about being offtopic
[10:49] <oCean> hi paraxxo
[10:49] <paraxxo> oCean: hi
[10:50] <oCean> what can we do for you?
[10:50] <paraxxo> idk im trying to get help on #lubuntu but its kinda dead channel
[10:51] <oCean> there are not as many users as in #ubuntu, true
[10:51] <oCean> so why you came here?
[10:51] <paraxxo> no idea
[10:51] <oCean> mmmkay?
[10:52] <oCean> paraxxo: since there is a no-idling policy here, I like you to ask to /part
[10:52] <oCean>  feel free to return if you need assistance
[10:52] <paraxxo> ok
[11:01] <paraxxo> oCean: maybe im in ban
[11:01] <paraxxo> no1 can see my chats
[11:01] <paraxxo> in #ubuntu
[11:01] <oCean> hm, let me check
[11:02] <Myrtti> someone has responded to you?
[11:02] <oCean> paraxxo: do you know why there would be a ban?
[11:02] <paraxxo> nope
[11:02] <Myrtti> you've replied them?
[11:02] <Myrtti> !patience
[11:03] <paraxxo> maybe u guys know how to make my screen resolution 1024x600 16:9 ??
[11:03] <oCean> paraxxo: you are definitely speaking in #ubuntu, I can see it
[11:03] <oCean> paraxxo: this is not the support channel
[11:03] <paraxxo> =\
[11:03] <paraxxo> kk
[11:24] <oCean> tbh, had enough of jetole, next time would warrant a time-out
[12:56] <bazhang> oy
[12:56] <bazhang> what happened to linux MINT support? seems like every MINT user is coming to #ubuntu
[13:01] <Tm_T> uh, do mint enable root by default?
 how to go in linuxmint help
[13:05] <bazhang> he installed ubuntu in less than five minutes
[19:28] <oCean> @mark #ubuntu mernilio again being offtopic, been warned/kicked before
[20:32] <pangolin> !-ies4linux
[20:32] <pangolin> ubottu: !ie4linux is <alias> ies4linux
[20:32] <pangolin> !ie4linux
[20:32] <knome> errrr
[20:32] <knome> -"Use Firefox!"
[20:34] <pangolin> !no ies4linux is <reply> is a script that quickly and effortlessly helps you install 3 versions of IE in Wine. Information can be found at http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page including instructions specifically for Ubuntu. ies4linux is aimed at web designers and ie-only sites, so please, don’t use any of the IEs to navigate! Use !browsers !
[20:34] <knome> !browsers
[20:34] <knome> better :)
[20:34] <pangolin> :)
[21:14] <Myrtti> I didn't know it still worked
[23:09] <downbeam> how do i run programs?
[23:09] <downbeam> ?????????????????????????????????????
[23:11] <downbeam> ?????????????????????????????????
[23:11] <downbeam> ?????????????????????????????????
[23:11] <downbeam> ?????????????????????????????????
[23:14] <bioterror> downbeam, we will tell when you learn to behave
[23:15] <downbeam> sorry no one will help me
[23:15] <bioterror> have you looked how you act
[23:15] <bioterror> maybe that's the issue
[23:16] <downbeam> sorry...
[23:17] <downbeam> do you know how to run programs?
[23:17] <bioterror> explain more
[23:18] <bioterror> from the application menu, ofcourse
[23:18] <bioterror> or from terminal
[23:19] <downbeam> i downloaded a game called eternal lands (linux) version and i dont know how to run it
[23:19] <bioterror> or from alt+f2
[23:19] <bioterror> really
[23:19] <bioterror> extract that game and it should have a README file with it
[23:19] <bioterror> if it's not just a binary file
[23:19] <downbeam> then what?
[23:19] <bioterror> but usually they are distributed as .zip or .tar.gz
[23:19] <bioterror> and they have this README file
[23:19] <bioterror> which should explain how to run it
[23:20] <downbeam> ok thanks
[23:26] <downbeam> there is no README file
[23:27] <downbeam> i just dont know how to exicute it
[23:29] <bioterror> what there is then?
[23:31] <downbeam> there is two bin files?
[23:31] <bioterror> in terminal: ./binfile
[23:31] <bioterror> when you are in the same folder
[23:31] <downbeam> ya
[23:33] <downbeam> would you download it? it would only take a sec
[23:35] <downbeam> it says to make it exicuteabel but i dont know what file to make exicuteable
[23:39] <downbeam> ??
[23:40] <AlanBell> right click on it, go to properties, permissions, and check the allow executing as a program checkbox
[23:40] <downbeam> on what though
[23:40] <AlanBell> the file, in nautilus
[23:41] <AlanBell> nautilus is the file manager
[23:41] <downbeam> on what file though?
[23:41] <AlanBell> anyhow, you see how much easier supporting you is getting, now that you are providing information rather than just question marks?
[23:41] <AlanBell> ok, you downloaded a .bin file somewhere right?
[23:42] <AlanBell> right click on the .bin file
[23:42] <downbeam> ok when i double click the .bin file it disapears
[23:43] <AlanBell> anyhow, this isn't a support channel, but hopefully you are now in a position to have a productive support conversation somewhere
[23:43] <AlanBell> have you been banned from one of our channels to end up here?
[23:43] <downbeam> yes
[23:43] <AlanBell> which one?
[23:44] <downbeam> lubuntu
[23:45] <AlanBell> ok, so it is lubuntu you are using right?
[23:45] <AlanBell> the filemanager might be a bit different in that, I was describing the gnome ubuntu file manager
[23:46] <downbeam> o it's a called (file manager)
[23:46] <AlanBell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/01/27/%23lubuntu.html#t16:22 that kind of thing will get you kicked out of a channel
[23:47] <downbeam> o sorry
[23:47] <AlanBell> so when you are asking for support, do not repeat yourself, be patient, and do not randomly fill the channel with loads of question marks
[23:47] <AlanBell> people will not help you more if you irritate them
[23:47] <downbeam> k
[23:47] <downbeam> do you know how i can get back in lubuntu?
[23:47] <downbeam> like change my name or someting?
[23:47] <AlanBell> be patient, and if you want to expand on the question and provide more information, do that. Dont' repeat the question over and over
[23:48] <AlanBell> no, don't change your name
[23:49] <downbeam> alrightr
[23:50] <downbeam> so i have it donloaded and extracted but when i double click the .bin file it dissapears
[23:50] <downbeam> and i just want to play with my bro
[23:51] <AlanBell> I would try right clicking it, but I don't know lubuntu
[23:51] <downbeam> and open it?
[23:51] <downbeam> are you supposed to be able to run .bin files?
[23:52] <AlanBell> anything relating to properties or permissions?
[23:52] <AlanBell> not if they are not set to be executeable
[23:52] <AlanBell> windows just randomly runs files you download, Ubuntu isn't like that, you have to explicitly give things permission to run
[23:53] <downbeam> o can i run it from the terminal?
[23:53] <AlanBell> probably
[23:54] <bioterror> downbeam, did you take properties of the file and tapped that "make it executable"?
[23:54] <bioterror> "Make the file executable" under the  "permissions" tab
[23:54] <AlanBell> anyhow, this isn't a support channel, it is a ban resolution channel
[23:58] <AlanBell> downbeam: what we want in this channel is to establish that you understand how to participate in our support channels so we can let you back in to them
[23:59] <downbeam> ic