[00:18] <kklimonda> hey, I have a weird issue with precise under virtualbox - when I use mouse scroll to scroll down sometimes it emits scroll up - I can see  in xev that button 4  is pressed/released (but I obviously don't scroll up myself). Any idea what may be causing it?
[00:19] <kklimonda> hmm, maybe it's because it is being detected as a tablet.. hmm
[00:19] <bryceh> kklimonda, yeah a few people have mentioned seeing that issue
[00:19] <bryceh> there's a bug filed about it, but I don't know if a workaround is identified yet
[00:20] <kklimonda> ah, great
[00:48] <cnd> bryceh, Sarvatt: fyi, I just pushed new x11proto-input, libxi, and xorg-server patches into precise
[00:48] <cnd> I'm about to update evdev and synaptics
[00:48] <bryceh> okie
[00:48] <Sarvatt> cnd: so about clickpad, do you plan on enabling it via dmi quirks?
[00:48] <Sarvatt> thats going to be a massive quirk list i bet
[00:48] <cnd> Sarvatt, the kernel drivers should tell us
[00:48] <cnd> emphasis on "should"
[00:48] <Sarvatt> oh?
[00:49] <Sarvatt> for actual synaptics clickpads only?
[00:49] <cnd> the magic trackpad and macbook trackpad drivers don't yet
[00:49] <cnd> no, for all "buttonpads" in the kernel terms
[00:49] <cnd> I need to update the apple trackpad drivers so they do
[00:50] <cnd> we may need to dmi quirk a few synaptics models here and there
[00:50] <Sarvatt> good thing the kernel freezes waaaaay later than userspace :)
[00:50] <bryceh> wonder if/when we get the 2 new X guys if it'd be worth holding a X-team sprint?
[00:50] <Sarvatt> bryceh: same time as desktop sprint?
[00:50] <Sarvatt> imagine theres going to be individual team sprints, was assuming tjaalton and me would just go out to the desktop one
[00:51] <bryceh> ah, didn't know we were having a desktop sprint
[00:51] <Sarvatt> me neither
[00:51] <bryceh> yeah that'd make sense
[00:51] <Sarvatt> talking out of my rear
[00:51] <bryceh> well, if we don't still might make sense for us to do orientation for the new guy(s)
[00:51] <Sarvatt> worst case though yeah we totally have enough people to do an x team sprint now
[00:52] <Sarvatt> with 2 new people
[00:52] <Sarvatt> portland sounds good :)
[00:52] <bryceh> good point, saves at least 2 people's air fare
[00:53] <Sarvatt> well, DC, italy, tasmania, portland, portland, finland, insert 2 new people here
[00:53] <cnd> Sarvatt, bryceh: portland would be awesome
[00:53] <cnd> then I could come :)
[00:54] <cnd> hang out at least
[00:54] <bryceh> totally
[00:54] <cnd> what's our naming scheme when we need to upload something based on the latest stuff in git?
[00:54] <Sarvatt> what package?
[00:55] <cnd> evdev and synaptics
[00:55] <Sarvatt> version-debian-giteuropeandate-0ubuntu1?
[00:55] <cnd> Sarvatt, what's the definition of europeandate?
[00:55] <cnd> UTC?
[00:55] <bryceh> shouldn't it be +git ?
[00:56] <bryceh> YYYYMMDD
[00:56] <cnd> yeah, seems like it should be +git
[00:56] <cnd> oh, no timestamp
[00:56] <cnd> yeah, that would get annoying
[00:57] <Sarvatt> oh version+giteuropeandate-fooubuntubarX it looks like, just use whatever it used before :)
[00:57] <Sarvatt> 1.5.0+git20120101-1ubuntu1
[00:58] <cnd> k
[00:58] <cnd> oh yeah, it should be obvious in the changelog
[00:58]  * cnd slaps himself
[00:59] <Sarvatt> you're doing all the stuff there, use whats most obvious for you :)
[00:59] <cnd> I just want to be sure I don't do anything stipid
[00:59] <cnd> like put the git version in front of the date
[00:59] <Sarvatt> well if you update the git revision past debian use 0ubuntu instead of 1ubuntu
[00:59] <cnd> hmmm... looks like they've done that in the past
[01:00] <cnd> yeah
[01:00] <bryceh> yeah only use 1ubuntu when debian made the snapshot.  0ubuntu when we make it
[20:19] <bryceh> hum.  I have no idea what my son did but my control key no longer seems to work
[20:19] <bryceh> xev doesn't even see it
[20:21] <kklimonda> bryceh: maybe he's spilled something?
[20:22] <bryceh> no evidence of that
[20:22] <kklimonda> maybe he's cleaned it afterwards ;)
[20:22] <bryceh> (although he did do that to a laptop keyboard once)
[20:30] <bryceh> heh, if I press both ctrl keys simultaneously it gives me a ctrl
[20:38] <bryceh> well now that was fun
[21:02] <JanC> bryceh: either ctrl doesn't give anything, but both combined does?
[21:04] <bryceh> JanC, right
[21:05] <bryceh> after messing with it a while I lost all keyboard input, so had to reboot anyway
[21:06] <bryceh> think it might have been a window manager bug, although it affected the console too.  I'll see if it happens again.
[21:07] <bryceh> JanC, yeah if I held the L ctrl and typed R ctrl, xev showed CTRL_R clicked, and vice versa.  interesting bug.
[21:07] <JanC> if it works right after reboot, it sounds like its a software bug indeed, but still sounds weird  ☺
[21:08] <bryceh> yup
[21:08] <JanC> laptop keyboard or USB ?
[21:08] <bryceh> USB
[21:08] <JanC> in case of USB, you can try to unplug/replug?
[21:08] <bryceh> I did try unplugging/replugging a few times, but no effect
[21:09] <JanC> then it's even weirder ☺
[21:09] <JanC> as I suppose some of the software stuff gets reset then
[21:10] <JanC> bryceh: and if the console has the same bug, that might indicate a kernel bug  :P
[21:13] <bryceh> yeah, nothing was in dmesg though
[21:15] <bryceh> restarting the window manager had a weird effect.  It made it seem like ctrl was always depressed.  or something.
[21:15] <bryceh> after restarting it once or twice more I lost keyboard entirely
[23:36] <jschall> Can anyone help me with this problem? My touchpad is too sensitive after an update: http://pastebin.com/QfJkDKif