[01:35] <pkkid> Can someone here help me pick out a window manager I can use in Virtualbox Seamless mode?  It seems everything has gone 3D now days.
[01:36] <pkkid> Unity 2D works, but its really quite slow.  Cinnamon looks awesome, but to my understanding this is still a 3D environment, and things seem to be missing when I enter seamless mode.
[03:42] <kanliot> i'm running precise and ejecting cd's isn't working.  they aren't unmounting when i press eject button.  should i report a bug? where?
[05:11] <scar3crow> look all around the faq's and can't find a way to successfully add images to /usr/share/backgrounds/ and have them show up in the wallpaper switcher/login screen... help?
[06:47] <Hwkiller-netbook> Just wanted to say.... 12.04 is shaping up to be fantastic.
[06:48] <Hwkiller-netbook> on my netbook, it seems faster, and it's super easy to use.
[06:48] <Hwkiller-netbook> This is coming from an avid arch user. :)
[06:48] <urlin2u> shh are we will tell on you.:)
[06:49] <urlin2u> or*
[06:50] <Hwkiller-netbook> I still hate debian package management, I still hate metapackages, and I still hate how slow package management in general is
[06:51] <Hwkiller-netbook> but otherwise, very nice release.
[07:01] <log> 12.04 has been awesome so far, yes.
[07:10] <joosengee> Hi, every body.
[07:11] <joosengee> someone know the room that talking about java swing or not
[07:11] <joosengee> ?
[07:11] <joosengee> I need to talk real time with the programmer.
[07:12] <joosengee> to ask him to teach me.
[07:14] <joosengee> any one know?
[07:15] <urlin2u> joosengee, I doubt thats gonna happen.
[07:15] <urlin2u> why would they want to teach you?
[07:16] <urlin2u> eve if you could contacty them
[07:16] <urlin2u> even
[07:16] <joosengee> Now,  I'm trying to write the java swing and I search the link to teach about it.
[07:16] <joosengee> I think someone have that link.
[07:17] <joosengee> I try to search in google, but I can't.
[07:17] <urlin2u> your on the wrong channel for that.
[07:17] <joosengee> I don't know the channel.
[07:17] <joosengee> someone can tell me.
[07:18] <urlin2u> try #unkept-dreams
[07:21] <pangolin> joosengee: you can start here http://zetcode.com/tutorials/javaswingtutorial/ but I am unable to find any channel specific to swing. perhaps ##java
[07:21] <pangolin> errrrr
[07:23] <pangolin> urlin2u: it is usually better not to say anything if you don't know the answer to a questions and is especially better not to give erroneous advice
[07:23] <pangolin> remember, Ubuntu is about being helpful :)
[07:23] <urlin2u> pangolin, sorry but that is a idea that is not going to happen, but noted. :)
[07:24] <pangolin> what do you mean by idea that is not going to happen?
[07:24] <urlin2u> pangolin, getting hold of the developer to be taught, not likely.
[07:25] <pangolin> I agree but telling him to try a non existent channel was not helpful at all
[07:25] <urlin2u> pangolin, I realize that not my best moment. :)
[07:25] <pangolin> happens to us all :)
[07:33] <jokerdino> well, err hmm.
[07:33] <jokerdino> is there a good unix / linux command line guide that you know of?
[07:43] <urlin2u> jokerdino, here is one but many on the web depends on what you know and want really. http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html
[07:43] <urlin2u> linux here
[07:44] <jokerdino> i just want a guide about unix command line. like the different commands that can be used.
[07:44] <jokerdino> i guess unix and linux command line are pretty same?
[07:44] <jokerdino> i am not sure if i should be on #bash for this one.
[07:45] <jokerdino> well i am not exactly looking for the most basic guide. i have some foundation about command line, i just want to know more about the lesser known commands.
[07:48] <urlin2u> jokerdino, not really the best channel to ask rather slow and a development channel, just a heads up.
[07:48] <jokerdino> well yeah i figured it out. i was just replying since you responded to me.
[07:49] <urlin2u> jokerdino, cool just want you to get the info.
[07:49] <jokerdino> thanks anyway :)
[08:18] <jokerdino> let me ask you ubuntu+1 related then.
[08:18] <jokerdino> how can i follow the changes in the precise release?
[08:20] <Ampelbein> jokerdino: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Precise-changes
[08:20] <jokerdino> Beauty. Subscribed.
[08:32] <varikonniemi> hello, what happened between some month ago of daily build and the alpha2? With the daily builds precise worked fine out of the box in virtualbox, the alpha2 keeps crashing, does not have mouse pointer integration and so forth
[08:33] <varikonniemi> it even failed to upgrade in some dependency issues
[08:42] <kalimojo> im on 11.10. how do i upgrade to 12.04 and will i still be able to use gnome
[08:43] <jokerdino> what do you mean by gnome?
[08:43] <varikonniemi> update-manager -d
[08:43] <varikonniemi> iirc
[08:43] <kalimojo> fbd
[08:43] <kalimojo> the gnome desktop
[08:44] <kalimojo> i hate unity
[08:44] <varikonniemi> gnome-shell you mean?
[08:44] <jokerdino> if you mean the gnome-shell, yes you can
[08:44] <kalimojo> tes
[08:44] <kalimojo> yes
[08:53] <valdur55> gnome-shell-fallback :). And you get indicator and compiz support
[09:03] <glosoli> Anyone else when press  network icon in the panel see "Wireless Network" Text blurred ?
[09:10] <rdjmhgh> hi i have noticed an issue with amavisd in 12.04
[09:10] <rdjmhgh> the script does not restart correcty
[09:11] <rdjmhgh> 'sudo service amavis restart'
[09:11] <rdjmhgh> 'Stopping amavisd: (not running).'Starting amavisd: The amavisd daemon is already running, PID: [6079] (failed).
[09:12] <rdjmhgh> appears to be in the debian bug system
[09:12] <rdjmhgh> fixed in 2.7
[09:12] <rdjmhgh> will this be fixed in 12.04 as well
[09:12] <rdjmhgh> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=652026
[09:25] <jakko> Hi
[09:25] <EvilResistance> rdjmhgh, that'd depend on whether they sync the version in from debian
[09:26] <jakko> Quick question (I hope)... I recently upgraded from 10.04 LTS, and now the Shift-F1 and so on go to the VTs, like Ctrl-Alt-Fn used to do... how can I get the usual behavior back??
[09:27] <jakko> This only happens in X
[09:27] <jakko> From a normal VT, Ctrl-Alt-Fn work as expected
[09:34] <jakko> Ah, I found the culprit I think -- something dumped an .Xmodmap in ~
[09:40] <rdjmhgh> evilresistance, wel in any case he bug should be fixed in ubuntu as well
[09:41] <EvilResistance> rdjmhgh, file a bug against the ubuntu package, making a note that the bug was fixed in Debian sid, with version 1.7.0-1 of the package.  that's what i'd do.  (but i'm weird like that)
[09:42] <rdjmhgh> I will
[09:42] <rdjmhgh> be wird as well
[09:43] <varikonniemi> hello, what happened between some month ago of daily build and the alpha2? With the daily builds precise worked fine out of the box in virtualbox, the alpha2 keeps crashing, does not have mouse pointer integration and so forth
[09:43] <varikonniemi> if i get a current daily build, will it work again, or did something change that broke it
[09:44] <varikonniemi> i don't wnat to dl the image just to find out its still broken
[09:48] <valdur55> varikonniemi, you can use zsync for syncing isos
[09:49] <valdur55> varikonniemi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures
[09:51] <valdur55> varikonniemi, better page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage
[09:56] <valdur55> varikonniemi, and about your mouse prointer problem: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/02/virtualbox-ubuntu-1204-guest-fixes.html
[11:35] <coz_> well so far, I am impressed with precise..
[11:35] <coz_> but then I am using classic gnome :)
[13:31] <BluesKaj> 'morning all
[13:50] <penguin42> Hey BK
[13:51] <valdur55> I have problem with maximised new window in lubuntu 12.04
[13:54] <penguin42> it's nice bug 925785 has been flattened - that's been really annoying for a few weeks
[14:28] <head_victim> penguin42: yep, I've got that bug fixed as well, now just waiting on empathy to work with msn
[15:10] <kanliot> i'm running precise and ejecting cd's isn't working.  they aren't unmounting when i press eject button.  should i report a bug? where?
[15:22] <penguin42> kanliot: Report the bug by running   ubuntu-bug nautilus
[15:22] <penguin42> (nautilus being a guess of the package that does the eject button)
[15:27] <kanliot> k thanks
[15:33] <h00k> oh boy, I have some dependency hell going on.
[15:35] <h00k> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/839182/
[15:41] <jtaylor> aren't libc updates fun :)
[15:43] <Kartagis> hi
[15:43] <Kartagis> what apache2 and php version will 12.04 provide?
[15:43] <codemagician> is it possible to get an early release of what will be 12.04 LTS server?
[15:44] <codemagician> I'd like to begin testing my Python apps using 2.7
[15:45] <jtaylor> codemagician: download the latest alpha or daily build
[15:45] <jtaylor> but only on a testing machine/partition!
[15:45] <codemagician> how do I find these please?
[15:45] <codemagician> I will use Virtual Box
[15:45] <jtaylor> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[15:45] <codemagician> thanks :)
[15:46] <jtaylor> codemagician: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Alpha2#Get_Ubuntu_12.04
[15:46] <jtaylor> the alpha probably has a higher chance of a successfull install, currently a bunch of core stuff was upgraded which might result in broken daily buildy
[15:47] <codemagician> the first link has only desktop pc images, are the server images kept separately?
[15:47] <jtaylor> codemagician: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[15:48] <bjsnider> !daily
[15:48] <codemagician> if i'm using a macbook but intend to run VirtualBox to run the image, should I still pick the mac download or pc?
[15:49] <bjsnider> easier to just use the all-knowing, all-seeing bot
[15:49] <jtaylor> !daily-server
[15:49] <jtaylor> not so all-knowing :(
[15:49] <h00k> jtaylor: yeah, I wouldn't call it *fun*
[15:50] <bjsnider> jtaylor, you can have a channel admin or someone like that add that to the bot
[15:51] <h00k> !dailybuild
[15:51] <h00k> which doesn't include server
[15:51] <jtaylor> codemagician: probably does not make much difference
[15:51] <codemagician> I'm a bit confused which install to take.  I'm using a 64 bit mac, but I intend to use virtual box to create a virtual pc, so which one should I download
[15:51] <jtaylor> use what your server machine will be using
[15:52] <h00k> codemagician: in that case, you can use either/or, that's up to you.
[15:52] <codemagician> my server will most likely be an Amazon EC2 image
[15:52] <codemagician> *instance
[15:52] <holstein> codemagician: that the 32bit normal one then
[15:52] <codemagician> EC2 now have 64 bit too
[15:53] <holstein> your mac is not PPC
[15:53] <codemagician> macbook pro
[15:53] <codemagician> i guess because i'm working within the context of the virtual box the image won't know my underlying mac hardware?
[15:54] <h00k> codemagician: right
[15:54] <holstein> codemagician: its intel.. its a PC
[15:54] <holstein> pretty much
[15:54] <holstein> you dont need the "mac PPC" version
[15:54] <codemagician> yes, its an core 7 processor within
[15:54] <codemagician> so I'll take the standard pc version
[15:55] <codemagician> PC (Intel x86) server install CD
[15:56] <holstein> codemagician: if you are in doubt, take the normal 32bit version as i said
[15:56] <codemagician> thanks guys :)
[15:57] <codemagician> i'll stick with the 32bit version and test my web app using virtual box locally, and update the image each few days to check it still works
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> FYI yesterday daily iso desktop 64bits installs fine
[16:30] <h00k> Any protips to fix my libc6 issues:
[16:30] <h00k> 10:24 <         mneptok+> imagine this channel as a bunch of trench-weary soldiers. ;)
[16:31] <h00k> wat
[16:31] <h00k> copy paste fail.
[16:31] <h00k> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/839182/
[16:31] <kanliot> i'm running precise, where do i report a video playback problem on amd video card?  can't play any video at all
[16:32] <penguin42> kanliot: Do     ubuntu-bug xorg
[16:32] <penguin42> kanliot: In a terminal
[17:14] <Daekdroom> Does anyone else have a held back gwibber update?
[17:16] <Daekdroom> It depends on gwibber-service 3.3.3-0ubuntu2 but it's not available.
[17:29] <popey> Daekdroom: yes
[17:29] <popey> probably a knock on effect of the libwebkitgtk issue over hte weekend
[17:34] <h00k> I'm still trying to work around these libc6 issues :)
[17:51] <glosoli> Anyone knows if there is a PPA suitable with Precise for GIMP 2.8  ?
[17:55] <Volkodav> and for sopcast-player too ?
[18:27] <valdur55> Volkodav, wait until relase
[18:35] <Ampelbein> Daekdroom, popey: About gwibber: The i386 build (which contains the gwibber-service update for all architectures) is waiting on gir1.2-indicate-0.7, which is in the NEW-Queue (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=gir1.2-indicate-0.7)
[18:47] <glosoli> Is anyone else getting X crashed when trying to play movies  ?
[18:47] <penguin42> glosoli: I'm not - but that is normally very graphics driver specific
[18:48] <penguin42> glosoli: Which graphics card and which drivers?
[18:48] <glosoli> penguin42: ATI Radeon HD 5730 1GB , Catalyst 12.1
[18:49] <penguin42> glosoli: so I run a 4350 with the open driver and it's fine; I've not tried the closed driver
[18:49] <glosoli> penguin42: Open Driver for notebook is like having notebook without battery :)
[18:49] <glosoli> Or they fixed something in Precise ?
[18:50] <penguin42> glosoli: Ah not sure; I use a desktop so I'm not too bothered - it's worth just trying again to see if it got any better; I don't follow Catalyst to know what stage it's at - my bet is it's best to file a bug
[18:51] <penguin42> glosoli: It's not too unusual for the binary drivers to be a bit shaky during the Alpha stages of a release; the binary drivers normally catch up a bit
[18:52] <glosoli> Hate that friggin ATI, will never buy it again.
[18:52] <glosoli> penguin42: I have no idea how to fill a bug properly, because I don't know where to check the error
[18:53] <penguin42> glosoli: That's OK - the tool will do it for you
[18:53] <glosoli> which tool ?
[18:53] <penguin42> glosoli: ubuntu-bug
[18:53] <glosoli> sudo apt-get install it ?
[18:53] <penguin42> glosoli: Run some video and let it crash, then when X restarts, run ubuntu-bug xorg  and explain the problem
[18:53] <penguin42> glosoli: ubuntu-bug will be preinstalled
[18:54] <glosoli> penguin42: I crashed and I wasn't able to do anything, system stopped and thats all, didin't restarted
[18:54] <penguin42> glosoli: You need to have a launchpad account so people can tell you when it's fixed or ask you for more info
[18:54] <glosoli> I have launchpad account
[18:54] <penguin42> glosoli: That's fine, do it when it reboots
[18:54] <glosoli> E: Unable to locate package ubuntu-bug
[18:54] <penguin42> glosoli: There should be some logs in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old with a segfault or something at the bottom
[18:56] <glosoli> hmm no info about segfault
[18:56] <Ampelbein> glosoli: You don't need to install ubuntu-bug, just type in terminal: 'ubuntu-bug xorg'
[19:00] <glosoli> Ok will try to fill a bug. Tryed even different video player like SMplayer problem persists
[19:02] <penguin42> glosoli: A lot of them share the same stuff at the back
[19:03] <glosoli> penguin42: How to fallback to open source drivers ?
[19:03] <penguin42> glosoli: Did you install the closed drivers using the Ubuntu hardware drivers option?
[19:03] <glosoli> no
[19:03] <penguin42> ah, you see that was a bad move
[19:03] <glosoli> hmm
[19:03] <penguin42> if you had it would have been 1 or 2 clicks to remove it
[19:04] <glosoli> or maybe i should try installing drivers
[19:04] <glosoli> from ubuntu drivers center ?
[19:04] <penguin42> glosoli: I've not run with the closed drivers for so long I can't remember the magic to remove them; but before trying to install from ubuntu driver centre make sure you get rid fo the closed ones you have and make sure it all is OK at that point
[19:05] <glosoli> penguin42: I am doing 2click solution, because installing binary makes it appear in "Drivers" center
[19:07] <penguin42> glosoli: Well, if that will let you install it that's probably best
[19:16] <glosoli> hmm, open source drivers seems fine
[19:16] <glosoli> penguin42: With Open Source drivers everything works faster, hmm need to check battery now
[19:28] <glosoli> penguin42: are you still here ?
[19:29] <nickgaw> Hi, Where can I download an ubuntu development build that works with the mac book pro as 11.10 does not boot properly I just sit at a busybox prompt?
[19:31] <glosoli> nickgaw: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/alpha-2/
[19:32] <nickgaw> ok and should this release be better then the daily builds that fail to download?
[19:34] <glosoli> nickgaw: Have no idea you might try, it is developement version anyway, so it's considered as unstable system.
[19:35] <nickgaw> ok I will try this one out
[19:51] <bjsnider> there's no special version that works with macbooks
[19:54] <pangolin> the regular version should work with intel mac
[19:54] <pangolin> not sure if there still is a ppc version
[19:57] <penguin42> if it got as far as far as a busybox prompt then that isn't the issue
[19:57] <penguin42> I suspect the new macbooks have pretty new hardware, so it might be a driver issue on 11.10
[20:03] <glosoli> penguin42: You are using macbook also ?
[20:03] <penguin42> glosoli: No, I've used one or two in the past
[20:04] <glosoli> penguin42: May I ask you smth offtopic in pm  ?
[20:04] <penguin42> glosoli: In the end they're just PCs, with EFI bioses (which are now common) and tend to be very recent hardware
[20:04] <glosoli> My Asus supports UEFI
[20:04] <penguin42> glosoli: erm hmm - I'm about to disappear anyway
[20:05] <penguin42> glosoli: You can always ask it and I can say no
[20:20] <log> They really need to fix gwibber on amd64...
[20:26] <FernandoMiguel> it's broken?
[20:26] <FernandoMiguel> I was under the idea it was working
[20:28] <log> FernandoMiguel: The dependencies are messed up, so it never lets me update.
[20:28] <FernandoMiguel> humm
[20:28] <FernandoMiguel> let me test
[20:28] <FernandoMiguel> I installed it fine, yesterday
[20:28] <FernandoMiguel> brand new install, on daily iso
[20:30] <FernandoMiguel> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:30] <FernandoMiguel>  gwibber : Depends: gwibber-service (= 3.3.3-0ubuntu2) but 3.3.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[20:31] <log> FernandoMiguel: Yep.
[20:31] <log> bug 930534 | FernandoMiguel
[20:31] <log> There's a bug about it already. :P
[20:31] <FernandoMiguel> oh well
[20:32] <FernandoMiguel> force it :p
[20:34] <log> Haha, I'd rather not. :P
[20:34] <log> After all, testers are supposed to be doing it from the mindset of a typical Ubuntu user who wouldn't know to force it. :P
[20:35] <FernandoMiguel> why? don't tell me you depend on gwibber :+p
[20:35] <log> Well, I kind of got myself into a sticky situation; I removed gwibber due to the update issues, which ended up removing ubuntu-desktop as well, and now I can't install either...
[20:35]  * log facepalms
[20:36] <log> Oh well.
[20:37] <arand> Since a situation like this is unlikely to crop up in a version of ubuntu which "typical" users use, I don't see that much problem in solving it in a non-typical manner ;)
[20:37] <bjsnider> that  kind of thing means 0ubuntu2 hasn't been built yet
[20:38] <Ampelbein> About gwibber: The i386 build (which contains the gwibber-service update for all architectures) is waiting on gir1.2-indicate-0.7, which is in the NEW-Queue (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=gir1.2-indicate-0.7)
[21:53] <DrHalan> hey, im looking for an app to manage my video collection? is there anything except banshee? would like to manage music and videos seperatly..
[21:55] <kcw45> hi all, after a round of updates about 7 days ago, my audio stopped working.  i was able to get it working again by using alsamixer to turn off 'dynamic power-control'.  anyone have tips on making this change permanent?
[21:56] <bjsnider> DrHalan, xbmc i suppose
[21:57] <DrHalan> bjsnider: isn't that a little bloated for just browsing my videos? strange there is no rhythmobx for videos
[21:58] <bjsnider> put them int he videos directory
[21:58] <bjsnider> then you can browse them with nautilus
[21:58] <DrHalan> yeah thats what i do.. but that kinda 2001
[22:00] <hggdh> anyone noticing nm-applet eating up a lot of resident memory?
[22:00] <hggdh> (before rebooting this morning it was at 700M; it is now 140M of res)
[22:11] <poolie> is it just me or are multitouch gestures not working?
[22:14] <kklimonda> hggdh: it's fine here but I don't have a wifi
[22:18] <Debolaz> Anyone else getting this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/930515
[22:51] <FernandoMiguel> you guys find bug #931174 related to #310349 ?
[22:52] <Daekdroom> bug 310349
[22:59] <brobostigon> i think i have found something,within alt-tab, it shows one window, for other apps, withi one app window open, other than gnome-terminal, shows two, always, with even one window open.
[23:02] <Daekdroom> It's only showing one window for me.
[23:02] <Ben64> one of the latest upgrades broke my audio
[23:02] <brobostigon> i do have two tabs open, however, both views in alt-tab are clearly the same.
[23:29] <Daekdroom> brobostigon, I get only one window even when I have two tabs open.
[23:59] <FernandoMiguel> nity nite