[09:07] <sagaci> ubuntu-au meeting in around an hour
[09:15] <head_victim> sagaci: I remembered to dent/tweet it this time.
[09:16] <sagaci> I didn't remember to ML a blurb
[09:16] <sagaci> I was going to last saturday but I rather do it on the monday of the week
[09:16] <head_victim> My google calendar reminders are all over the place for the loco.u.c stuff
[10:01] <jellyware> is there a meeting about to start>?
[10:01] <sagaci> #startmeeting
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[10:01] <head_victim> Evening all
[10:01] <sagaci> hi all and welcome to the February meeting for ubuntu-au
[10:01] <sagaci> agenda -- http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/316/detail/
[10:02] <sagaci> please say hi or something similar to register your attendance with the meeting bot
[10:02] <jaddi27> hello
[10:02] <jellyware> evening
[10:02] <dns53> hi
[10:03] <sagaci> #chair head_victim jaddi27 
[10:03] <meetingology> Current chairs: head_victim jaddi27 sagaci
[10:04] <head_victim> Gday caryb 
[10:04] <caryb> Hi folks
[10:04] <head_victim> We're just starting
[10:05] <Bodman456> Hey all
[10:05] <sagaci> hi Bodman456 
[10:06] <sagaci> #topic Ubuntu Global Jam Events --head_victim
[10:06] <head_victim> Good evening all, I just thought I'd take the opportunity to highlight the events already organised and try to drum up anymore events that could occur
[10:07] <head_victim> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1500/detail/
[10:07] <head_victim> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1463/detail/
[10:07] <jaddi27> I have just set a time for the Wiki Jam, and am in the process of making a l.u.c event
[10:07] <head_victim> are the 2 events so far registered, both by sagaci - nice work
[10:08] <head_victim> jaddi27: ah good stuff
[10:08] <jaddi27> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/JamsForPrecise
[10:08] <head_victim> I know packaging and bug jamming have been popular ideas in the past. But these do require someone who does have a fair bit of experience in the areas
[10:10] <sagaci> I'd like to see a few local events happen... I'm the better part of 300km from anything major so its a bit of a dwell to single-handed organise an event like this in a small town, especially when jams lend themselves to requiring decent internet access
[10:10] <sagaci> and participants to have pre-knowledge on ubuntu-ish things
[10:10] <head_victim> Maybe if someone has any decent LUG contacts it might be worth doing an integrated event.
[10:11] <caryb> Our install fest was a great sucess
[10:11] <Bodman456> Indeed
[10:11] <head_victim> Yeah I wish we could time our inbetween release get togethers around UGJ but the timing is a little off everytime.
[10:12] <Bodman456> :/
[10:12] <head_victim> LUGs generally have monthyl or fortnightly meetings though so may be able to organise something together. 
[10:12] <caryb> we used to meet in brisneyland 4 times a year 2 x releases & 2 x in between
[10:13] <head_victim> If organisers can please remember to ping me a week or so out and then a day or so out I'll try to make sure we can twee/dent it as well to get some more exposure.
[10:13] <Bodman456> I would love to have quad-monthly meets
[10:13] <caryb> just social meetings
[10:13] <Bodman456> Sounds good
[10:14] <sagaci> I'd also like to see some kind of event happen in Melbourne/VIC or SA
[10:15] <Bodman456> Just off-topic quickly - is there a LUG for Brisbane/QLD?
[10:15] <sagaci> humbug
[10:15] <dns53> is there anyone here from sa that wants to do something?
[10:15] <head_victim> Bodman456: yes, HUMBUG and I've invited them to every event we've ever had.
[10:15] <Bodman456> TYVM sagaci and head_victim
[10:15] <caryb> we could have a wake for Kubuntu :(
[10:16] <head_victim> caryb: hah I doubt much will really change for Kubuntu tbh, the dev they've had on it has only been part time for the last while anyway.
[10:16] <head_victim> Ok, sounds good for a next topic, not sure who's it is
[10:16] <sagaci> mine
[10:16] <dns53> i had heard that there where 4 gnome devs and 2 kde devs (that was a few years ago)
[10:17] <sagaci> #topic LoCo Self Health Check -- sagaci
[10:17] <head_victim> sagaci: is there a guide for performing a self health check available online anywhere?
[10:17] <sagaci> probably
[10:17] <sagaci> a wild guess...
[10:17] <sagaci> it's more of a thing of just discussing where we can go better at this stage
[10:18] <sagaci> head_victim: is there anything on the wiki that needs TODO?
[10:19] <head_victim> I think we are starting to do the online events well
[10:19] <head_victim> Just need a better offline presence.
[10:20] <head_victim> I think we do the global jams well online, we participate in classroom activites and we hold regular meetings.
[10:20] <jaddi27> I think that the loco team has definitely improved over the past year
[10:20] <sagaci> I think that is mainly remedied with events, such as your release parties and social events/workshops
[10:21] <sagaci> but at this stage it is mostly NSW/QLD
[10:21] <head_victim> sagaci: yep, we just need people around the place to organise them. It's well and good for one or two locations to do it we just need to foster the ability to do it around the country.
[10:21] <sagaci> well actually, all... when it comes to offline events
[10:22] <head_victim> Even if they're only social, that's not really an issue. It's about connecting people with similar interests. Once you get a group of people together with similar interests the workshoppy type things come easier because you have a group of functioning people
[10:23] <Bodman456> And then they often bring in others
[10:23] <caryb> so true
[10:23] <Bodman456> slowly, but surely, growing the group
[10:24] <head_victim> So I think even if all people try to do is ensure release parties are held in as many places as possible that is a good start.
[10:24] <Bodman456> Until you've got this large group of people, all connected by a common interest
[10:25] <Bodman456> head_victim: Public places are  agood place to hold events
[10:25] <jellyware> have we moved to the last agenda item?
[10:25] <head_victim> Release parties aren't that hard to organise really. Picking the time and location are the trickiest bit, the rest just happens.
[10:25] <jaddi27> jellyware, not quite yet
[10:25] <head_victim> jellyware: sort of, we're discussing the self health check and I was just trying to suggest some ways we could improve as a loco. 
[10:26] <head_victim> Was there any sort of socialising amongst the team at the most recent LCA?
[10:27] <dns53> there was no open day which cut out the normal booth but i did meet someone from the loco in person
[10:28] <head_victim> dns53: good start. I think these are the sorts of events we can grow the numbers with.
[10:28] <dns53> who went to lca?
[10:28] <sagaci> dns53: monday-wednesday
[10:30] <sagaci> head_victim: I'm thinking that the minutes of these meetings could be sent to the ML
[10:30] <head_victim> The only other thing I'm thinking of is that our documentation is still a bit slow
[10:30] <head_victim> Although using loco.u.c that should be easier.
[10:30] <jaddi27> sagaci, I think we did it in the past a couple of times, and is a good idea
[10:30] <head_victim> sagaci: the social ones or the online ones?
[10:31] <sagaci> these monthly IRC ubuntu-au meetings
[10:31] <head_victim> sagaci: I guess it can't hurt. I know we post a link to the ML for them to check if they want it, it's not like it will be a war and peace length.
[10:32] <sagaci> yeah, a link is fine
[10:32] <Bodman456> should we action it?
[10:32] <head_victim> sagaci: it is on the to do list ;)
[10:32] <head_victim> Bodman456: usually the meeting chairs organise that, we're actualyl more struggling for team reporters at the moment.
[10:32] <sagaci> never thought of it until now
[10:33] <Bodman456> head_victim: team reporters?
[10:33] <sagaci> say who did what, etc. through the month
[10:33] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings/ToDoList is the role of the chairpeople
[10:33] <sagaci> a back page blurb so others know what we're up to in a nutshell
[10:33] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/TeamReports/ToDoList is the role of the team reporters
[10:33] <head_victim> sagaci: yep, sounds like a plan.
[10:34] <sagaci> #action sagaci and jaddi27 to email ML with monthly meeting minutes
[10:34] <meetingology> ACTION: sagaci and jaddi27 to email ML with monthly meeting minutes
[10:34] <jaddi27> I accept that action
[10:35] <head_victim> The team reporters should also be emailing the ML with a summary of the month's events.
[10:35] <head_victim> To keep people up to date
[10:35] <Bodman456> sounds good
[10:35] <jaddi27> The Facebook events have gone back to the old creation method, so I will get them done quicker from now on hopefully
[10:36] <head_victim> jaddi27: nice work with them btw, it makes a large audience know about it quickly.
[10:36] <head_victim> sagaci: are you happy to keep rolling along with team reports as well or would you like some further assistance, benonsoftware and somethinginteres appear to be a bit awol in that regard.
[10:37] <sagaci> yeah, I don't mind but it would be good to help
[10:37] <sagaci> somethingintres wrote a great Sept/Oct? report
[10:37] <head_victim> #action head_victim to put a call out for more volunteers to help with team reporting
[10:37] <meetingology> ACTION: head_victim to put a call out for more volunteers to help with team reporting
[10:37] <head_victim> sagaci: yeah but it's Feb ;)
[10:38] <Bodman456> I'd be happy to help with the Twitter account as well
[10:38] <head_victim> Team reports are one of the things the loco council look for along with loco.u.c events to show a summary of what has been achieved 
[10:38] <sagaci> yeah, I'm just saying that every report should be like that
[10:38] <Bodman456> If someone could teach me how to do them, I'd be happy to help
[10:38] <head_victim> sagaci: ahh ok, maybe link it as an example on the todo list page
[10:38] <head_victim> Bodman456: perfect, between sagaci and I we should be able to get you sorted for team reports 
[10:39] <sagaci> Bodman456: just bullet point the main things that happen in the month
[10:39] <Bodman456> Ah, ok :)
[10:39] <head_victim> Ok, so is that a fairly comprehensive self health check, anyone have questions?
[10:39] <sagaci> not really, just need to go through with all these ideas
[10:40] <head_victim> sagaci: yep, talk is good, actions are great.
[10:40] <sagaci> #topic Precise Pangolin Release Parties -- head_victim
[10:40] <head_victim> And that brings us to the next topic nicely.
[10:41] <head_victim> The talk on the ML has drifted a bit lately, we should be finalising these by the next team meeting would be the goal.
[10:41] <head_victim> Hopefully we can aim for 5+ locations this release, 10 would be awesome.
[10:42] <head_victim> I think people get a bit put off with the lack of response or the idea that you need to have 20 people there to make it worthwhile.
[10:42] <sagaci> nah, 5 people is fine
[10:42] <Bodman456> There has been some talk about the Brisbane RP, caryb suggested a location, can't remember what it was though
[10:42] <head_victim> sagaci: 5 people is good, it means you can connect with everyone there easily.
[10:42] <Bodman456> I like having a small group at the start of the day
[10:43] <Bodman456> makes socialising a lot easier
[10:43] <Bodman456> oops, beaten to it by head_victim
[10:43] <sagaci> release parties should be finalised by the next meeting  (11th March) so they can sit around on l.u.c for people to find
[10:43] <Bodman456> Sounds good
[10:44] <head_victim> If anyone is thinking of organising one but isn't sure what to expect or how to do it. make sure you ask for a hand, there are multiple people around who have done these in the past that can help out.
[10:44] <Bodman456> I'm going to start looking at potential locations for the Brisbane one later
[10:44] <Bodman456> I've got plenty of free time on my hands
[10:45] <head_victim> Bodman456: the problem we've had in the past is that most of the popular venues are 18+. If you can find a nice cafe that is large enough to have 10 - 20 people rock up without problems with tables we can sit at that would be great. The only other issue is close to public transport.
[10:45] <Bodman456> Indeed
[10:45] <head_victim> Maybe a coffee club or something might be an idea.
[10:45] <head_victim> wifi is really a non issue when it comes to release parties so don't stress about that.
[10:46] <Bodman456> that repos. setup you had at the 11.10 release party was nifty
[10:46] <jaddi27> were there any cafes around Brisbane Square? You would be able to use the Library wifi then if needed
[10:47] <head_victim> jaddi27: the library wifi is only available to library members so not a huge benefit. But for social events, wifi is not really needed.
[10:47] <jaddi27> yes, that is true
[10:48] <head_victim> Besides, caryb usually has enough phones and dongles on him for a small village ;)(
[10:48] <Bodman456> xD
[10:48] <caryb> lol
[10:49] <Bodman456> And my parents call me addicted to tech, LOL
[10:49] <caryb> Kedron Pk hotel because of it's proximity to public transport
[10:50] <head_victim> caryb: can minors go in to eat without their parents there (just thinking of Bodman456 being able to attend)
[10:50] <head_victim> Not sure what bistro rules are these days.
[10:50] <jaddi27> What date does precise come out?
[10:51] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[10:51] <head_victim> 26th of April apparently.
[10:51] <Bodman456> jaddi27: 26th April
[10:51] <head_victim> That's quite late in the month actually.
[10:51] <caryb> thats why breaky creek is good because we can go to the restaraunt instead
[10:51] <Bodman456> DAMNIT
[10:51] <Bodman456> again, beaten to it
[10:51] <caryb> Oh yeah I have a blue card ;)
[10:52] <head_victim> caryb: yeah apparently that was hard to get to via public transport though
[10:52] <head_victim> Maybe a large licensed cafe near a shopping centre?
[10:52] <Bodman456> caryb: blue card?
[10:52] <caryb> thats why kedron pk
[10:52] <caryb> hehehehe
[10:52] <Bodman456> What about Pancake Manor?
[10:52] <head_victim> caryb: I'll call them during the week to see if they allow minors.
[10:52] <jaddi27> Bodman456, blue cards are required to work with children in qld
[10:52] <Bodman456> Ah
[10:52] <head_victim> Bodman456: there was limited support for that venue :/
[10:53] <jaddi27> I need to get one now as well
[10:53] <Bodman456> Hmm
[10:53] <caryb> http://www.ccypcg.qld.gov.au/index.aspx
[10:54] <head_victim> Cool, well is that all we have for the whole loco? We can discuss specific locations after the meeting still but not sure it needs to be in the logs
[10:54] <caryb> problem with pancake manor is it's so busy they don't like long meetings there
[10:55] <Bodman456> Hmm
[10:55] <Bodman456> What about one of their other locations like Mt Gravatt or Ipswich (out in the middle of nowhere though)
[10:56] <Bodman456> Pancake Manor might be good for potential social gatherings though
[10:56] <jaddi27> Mt Gravatt is easy to get to - next to a major busway station
[10:56] <jaddi27> ipswich is a bit harder
[10:57] <jaddi27> head_victim, I think that is all for the meeting. The rest can continue after
[10:57] <head_victim> Kedron park hotel might be worth a go, the main problem is getting a number of attendees together
[10:57] <Bodman456> I've got a Go Card, so I'm happy to catch a bus/train to get there
[10:58] <head_victim> Bodman456: I just need to make sure you don't need your parents there to get in.
[10:58] <Bodman456> Ok
[10:58] <caryb> all jokes aside with parental permission the blue card protects the group
[10:59] <head_victim> caryb: yeah, but some places require parents present, not just permissive.
[10:59] <Bodman456> If KP hotel doesn't allow minors, we could always go to Brekky Creek Hotel
[11:00] <head_victim> I'm thinking it shouldn't be a problem in the restaurant part I just want to confirm.
[11:00] <head_victim> sagaci, jaddi27 anything else to add or shall we endmeeting and continue the location conversations?
[11:00] <sagaci> #endmeeting
[11:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Feb 12 11:00:58 2012 UTC.  
[11:00] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-02-12-10.01.moin.txt
[11:00] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-02-12-10.01.html
[11:01] <head_victim> Done :)
[11:01] <jaddi27> next meeting: March 11
[11:02] <head_victim> I'll update the link when the loco.u.c event exists.
[11:03] <head_victim> caryb & Bodman456 I'll just email the KP hotel and see what they say then I'll email the list
[11:03] <Bodman456> head_victim: Sounds good
[11:03] <ikt> sigh
[11:03] <ikt> just missed it
[11:03] <Bodman456> lolz
[11:03] <jaddi27> sagaci, are you making the event for the next meeting, or am I?
[11:03] <head_victim> ikt: aww we were actually on time this meeting otherwise it'd still be going
[11:04] <caryb> fb is good for it reminded me tonight
[11:04] <mrshr3d> hehe same :)
[11:04] <head_victim> caryb: yeah I like getting those reminders as well.
[11:04] <Bodman456> Gcal reminded me
[11:04] <jaddi27> caryb, Good to see someone finds the events on fb useful
[11:04] <head_victim> mrshr3d: you're an hour late ;)
[11:04] <mrshr3d> gah!....only just got the reminder :(
[11:04] <Bodman456> Minutes email just arrived :D
[11:05] <Bodman456> very punctual
[11:05] <mrshr3d> got carried away havng a glass of red and working on the Bonsai Society of QLD newsletter.
[11:06] <jaddi27> logs: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-02-12-10.01.html
[11:06] <Bodman456> ooh, Bonsais :)
[11:06] <sagaci> jaddi27: I don't mind
[11:06] <jaddi27> nice HTML logs now
[11:06] <Bodman456> I have a Bonsai tree next to me right now, lol
[11:06] <sagaci> jaddi27: upstate logs
[11:06] <mrshr3d> nice, mine are suffering from overgrowth but they still live, that's the main thing
[11:07] <jaddi27> sagaci, sorry, what did you mean?
[11:07] <sagaci> jaddi27: shiny logs, in html
[11:07] <jaddi27> oh, right. Yes, it looks much nicer
[11:07] <jaddi27> I'll create the next meeting event
[11:07] <Bodman456> mrshr3d: mine are suffering from lack of TLC because of school, but it's growing back
[11:08] <Bodman456> is*
[11:10] <Bodman456> Well, I'm off, I'll be reconnecting in a bit using wIRC on my TouchPad though
[11:10] <head_victim> I've just emailed the Kedron Park hotel, I'll let you all know how it goes.
[11:11] <jaddi27> sagaci, head_victim: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/347/detail/
[11:13] <head_victim> I've fallen in love with the is.gd firefox plugin
[12:06] <head_victim> And I'm back. Some weird stuff going on here with nets. I think by moving the network stuff I'm overheating some things.
[12:16] <sagaci> jaddi27: you'll have to check that timezone, it's on GMT
[12:18] <jaddi27> sagaci, Thanks for pointing that out. I thought I had selected the right one, but must have got mixed up
[12:18] <jaddi27> Is that alright?
[12:21] <sagaci> heh, ate my own words... the feb one I created uses GMT
[12:21] <sagaci> yeah, I usually use EST
[12:22] <sagaci> well either that or use 10:00 GMT
[12:24] <jaddi27> ok, I will use EST from now on (if there is a selector for it)
[12:25] <sagaci> the precise release parties will fall after daylight savings so hopefully we can just use EST for them
[12:25] <jaddi27> sagaci, Did you want to co-organise the localisation Jam? Especially seeing as you have done most of the work so far
[12:25] <jaddi27> Yes, that would be good
[12:26] <sagaci> there isn't really that much to do but an hour set aside would really help and cement/shake up a few things I've done
[12:26] <jaddi27> Ok. I will have to get the links to all of your stuff before the day
[12:26] <jaddi27> What time would suit you for the Jam?
[12:27] <sagaci> I'm not too sure at the moment, I've got 2 hours on Saturday arvie and then an hour extra for the materials jam, so friday night for me would work well
[12:28] <jaddi27> Ok. I think that should be alright. 8pm on Friday 2nd?
[12:29] <sagaci> EST or EDST?
[12:30] <jaddi27> EST I was thinking, but could do either
[12:31] <sagaci> 8pm EST is fine
[12:32] <jaddi27> ok, sounds good
[12:32] <jaddi27> I will confirm it closer to the time, as Uni starts for me in that week. I don't foresee any issues though
[12:35] <sagaci> it's just that the defaults are really all we have to agree on... the cumbersome part is creating the deb and running a live-build-esque command that, if fails, you really have to start the whole thing from scratch
[12:45] <jaddi27> Ok. I might have to look into it a bit more before the jam to work it all out
[12:50] <jaddi27> sagaci, http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1538/detail/
[12:51] <jaddi27> I'm off now. See you later on
[12:51] <sagaci> bye