[00:52] <JanC> ping locoteam members
[01:06] <JanC> czajkowski, itnet7, greg-g: I am just reading some of my locoteam members think we need to go up for re-approval next Thursday, but strangely enough, as the locoteam contact I didn't get any mails about that, surely something must be wrong here?
[01:07] <JanC> SergioMeneses: you too ^^^  
[01:07] <SergioMeneses> jalrnc, hello...
[01:07] <JanC> either somebody in my locoteam is confused, or I didn't get contacted about this?
[01:10] <SergioMeneses> JanC, Can you give me the launchpad page?
[01:11] <JanC> SergioMeneses: launchpad page of what?  our locoteam?
[01:11] <JanC> it's ~ubuntu-be
[01:12] <JanC> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-be
[01:12] <SergioMeneses> jalrnc, date -> 2012-02-16
[01:12] <JanC> clearly, I'm listed as the contact person, but didn't get contacted
[01:13] <JanC> so something went wrong?
[01:14] <SergioMeneses> JanC, when you realized that the date was about to end?
[01:15] <JanC> I'm not sure how some other locoteam members knew this, and started preparing things for a reapproval this week, but I *am* somewhat disturbed about how I never got contacted...
[01:16] <JanC> I don't expect an answer from them before tomorrow anyway
[01:16] <JanC> or maybe Monday
[01:17] <JanC> about how/when they found out
[01:18] <SergioMeneses> JanC, mmm....
[01:20] <JanC> but IMO it doesn't matter how they found out, I want to know why *I* wasn't informed by the loco council...
[01:21] <paultag> JanC: was a re-approval bug not filed?
[01:21] <JanC> paultag: how should I know?
[01:21] <paultag> JanC: it would have told you
[01:21] <paultag> JanC: and you would have been subscribed as the owner of the team
[01:21] <JanC> I didn't get informed at least...
[01:21] <JanC> I am not the owner
[01:22] <JanC> I am the loco contact
[01:22] <paultag> JanC: who's the owner?
[01:22] <JanC> which is the person-to-contact
[01:22] <paultag> I understand
[01:22] <paultag> JanC: who's the owner?
[01:22] <SergioMeneses> the date is correct ... about e-mail: I do not know because your not the official contact ... the more likely the official contact has been reported about the reapproval
[01:23] <SergioMeneses> JanC, ↑↑↑
[01:23] <paultag> JanC: did the owner get a mail?
[01:23] <JanC> https://launchpad.net/~markvdb
[01:23] <JanC> but he was probably extremely busy with FOSDEM lately
[01:23] <SergioMeneses> paultag, JanC is not the contact... 
[01:23] <paultag> SergioMeneses: 01:22 < JanC> I am the loco contact
[01:23] <paultag> SergioMeneses: sorry?
[01:23] <paultag> SergioMeneses: owner / admin != contact for a lot of cases
[01:23] <paultag> SergioMeneses: it's a common mistake
[01:24] <SergioMeneses> paultag, you're right!... 
[01:24] <paultag> I know I am :)
[01:24] <JanC> SergioMeneses: see http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-be --> I'm the contatc  ☺
[01:24] <paultag> SergioMeneses: I did do this for like 2 years :)
[01:24] <paultag> you have to manually verify each re-app 
[01:24] <JanC> I was on the loco council too  ;)
[01:24] <paultag> JanC: yeah yeah, join the club :)
[01:24] <SergioMeneses> JanC, nice
[01:25] <JanC> which is why I'm a bit disturbed  ;)
[01:25] <paultag> JanC++
[01:25] <paultag> JanC: I had a killer workflow when I was "in office" :)
[01:26] <JanC> well, I happened to be working with a locoteam that wasn't very responsive at he end, which killed almost all workflow, but yeah...  :P
[01:27] <paultag> :P
[01:28] <JanC> anyway, I guess we can still go up for reapproval next Thursday (thanks to our anarchistic team structure)
[01:28] <JanC> but I'd still like to know what went wrong...
[01:28] <SergioMeneses> JanC, look https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[01:28] <paultag> JanC: I don't know how it goes now, but in the case of a screwup on the LC side, I've seen a lot of extentions to the end of the cycle
[01:28] <paultag> JanC: I wonder if czajkowski / SergioMeneses would be +1 to that
[01:29] <SergioMeneses> I only see Netherlands.... 
[01:29] <JanC> that was in January
[01:30] <JanC> or added in January?
[01:31] <JanC> anyway, I think we can manage (after all we only have to list what we did/do, not to invent anything new ;) )
[01:32] <JanC> hm, next meeting is scheduled for much later it seems?
[01:32] <JanC> now I'm even more confused
[01:33] <JanC> let me check with my team members about his  ;)
[01:33] <SergioMeneses> JanC, The next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday 21th February 2012, 20:00 UTC and and will be held in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net. 
[01:34] <JanC> which is after February the 16th...
[01:35] <JanC> but OTOH, the conditions for the reapproval process aren't met: the locoteam contact was never contacted about this
[01:36] <SergioMeneses> JanC, look https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines
[01:37] <JanC> SergioMeneses: no, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval
[01:37] <JanC> """The LoCo Council will attempt to contact the LoCo team a reasonable number of times (3) over a reasonable period (1 month). We do this by creating a bug and emailing the team contact. """
[01:37] <JanC> I didn't get a single mail, let alone 3
[01:37] <paultag> SergioMeneses: did the admin respond?
[01:37] <JanC> (and yes i checked my spam folder)
[01:38] <paultag> SergioMeneses: did you use lintco?
[01:38] <SergioMeneses> I'm not using my pc
[01:38] <paultag> sorry, what?
[01:38] <paultag> SergioMeneses: did someone file the bugs with lintco?
[01:38] <SergioMeneses> laptop
[01:39] <paultag> SergioMeneses: and was the admin responding to the inquery?
[01:39] <paultag> (sp, sorry)
[01:43] <JanC> the admin is not the loco contact, and as said before was very busy with having 2 jobs & organizing FOSDEM recently...
[01:43] <JanC> that's why there is a loco contact...
[01:44] <SergioMeneses> JanC, in LP the admin is https://launchpad.net/~markvdb
[01:45] <JanC> SergioMeneses: I already told you so  ☺
[01:45] <JanC> but admin is not relevant
[01:49] <JanC> anyway, let's further discuss this tomorrow, it's almost 3am here, and I hope to get some more info from my team tomorrow
[01:51] <JanC> (discussion about this on the ML started last Thursday apparently, but I was sick then and didn't catch up until today)
[01:51] <SergioMeneses> JanC, please write us an email!... 
[01:52] <paultag> JanC: request an extention to the end of the cycle even if you don't need it
[01:52] <paultag> JanC: it was standard practice a few months ago
[01:53] <JanC> I suppose we will need an extension anyway, as there is no loco council meeting on the 16th  ☺
[01:53] <JanC> but yes, I will write
[01:54] <JanC> (after I clear up what happened in the locoteam also--that's some disadvantage of being a bit anarchistic, I guess ;) )
[01:55] <SergioMeneses> paultag, JanC look https://picasaweb.google.com/101586564530051299524/Ubuntu#5708061646893615634
[01:56] <paultag> yeah
[01:56] <paultag> locolint _admin_ :)
[01:56] <paultag> I mean, that's why it happened
[01:56] <paultag> but it should have been checked manually
[01:57] <SergioMeneses> paultag, that's true
[01:57] <SergioMeneses> :S
[02:00] <YoBoY> how lintco works when the owner is a team ? :) (you can try with ubuntu-fr)
[02:00] <JanC> YoBoY: not to mention, when the contact is a team?  ;)
[02:01] <YoBoY> we cheated to avoid this case, our contact was on the LC ^^"
[02:02] <JanC> LOL
[02:02] <JanC> I was too, at some time
[02:02] <JanC> but that shouldn't be a requirement  :P
[02:02] <YoBoY> +1 :)
[02:03] <paultag> YoBoY: if it's a team, it should recurse all the members
[02:03] <JanC> so, let's figure this out tomorrow (we're all past 3am here, I assume)
[02:03] <paultag> YoBoY: my hometeam was team-managed, so I think I had it in mind
[02:04] <YoBoY> yep
[02:05] <paultag> yep it does
[02:05] <paultag> awesome
[02:06] <paultag> oh snap, forgot I wrote a manpage for i t
[02:06] <paultag> lulz, it has FBAUTOSTART(1) at the bottom
[02:06] <JanC> now make it parse the contact entry in the loco portal, please  ☺
[02:06] <paultag> JanC: at the time there was no API
[02:06] <paultag> JanC: if it's baked in now, it should be a snap with the module system I have in there
[02:07] <paultag> but I don't have commit access anymore :)
[02:07] <paultag> so someone else do it :)
[02:07] <mhall119> paultag: python-unity-singlet is in the Precise Universe
[02:07] <paultag> mhall119: rockn'
[02:07] <paultag> mhall119: I'll be uploading python-sunlight to debian soon I think
[02:08] <mhall119> awesome
[02:08] <mhall119> between the two, making a politics lens will be easy
[02:08] <YoBoY> JanC: there is still enought live cds left from the fosdem for your next events ?
[02:08] <paultag> mhall119: jeppers
[02:08] <JanC> YoBoY: I just sent 80 CDs to Hasselt & Genk  ;)
[02:08] <paultag> mhall119: I might have a contribution for you in a week or so
[02:09] <paultag> mhall119: and by you, I mean the community folks, because I want LWN and I'm going to use code as bribery
[02:09] <JanC> will provide most of the rest to the large 2-day computer fair in Antwerp
[02:09] <JanC> not only FOSDEM leftovers BTW, also CDs from the box we got as a locoteam
[02:10] <YoBoY> ok, good :) I still have around 200 here
[02:10] <JanC> I also got about 150 leftover Kubuntu CDs from the KDE booth...
[02:11] <JanC> (they only got their CDs at FOSDEM somewhere during Sunday...)
[02:12] <JanC> we provided them with our own Kubuntu CDs on Saturday  ;)
[02:12] <JanC> but not too many of them available of course
[02:13] <YoBoY> it's better than nothing
[02:13] <JanC> well, not sure what to do with the Kubuntu ones, they aren't really what we need for our booths
[02:14] <JanC> maybe the Antwerp fair is slightly different, but still
[02:14] <YoBoY> I give them to the volunteers on our ubuntu party
[02:14] <JanC> I don't have 150 volunteers  :P
[02:14] <YoBoY> ^^"
[02:15] <JanC> actually, i think some of those 150 got distributed to some school already (by a Kubuntu fan)
[02:16] <YoBoY> same here, people take what they want, and some give them to schools, at work, ...
[02:17] <JanC> we use most of the CDs at computer fairs though, where it's less useful to confuse people with 13.7 different variations of the same
[02:18] <YoBoY> sure, but we have our french edition for that :)
[02:18] <JanC> right
[02:19] <JanC> we have been thinking about something like that, except we'd need a Dutch/French/German/English edition or something like that  ;)
[02:19] <JanC> an that probably won't fit on a CD...
[02:20] <YoBoY> difficult yes to have all the languages on one cd :]
[02:20] <JanC> not to mention Turkish, Arabic, ...   :P
[02:21] <JanC> I actually installed Ubuntu in Turkish once
[02:21] <JanC> at one of those computer fairs
[02:21] <YoBoY> the translation is good ?
[02:22] <JanC> appaently
[02:23] <JanC> there was this guy of Turkish decent, but born in Belgium (and speaking Dutch), who just married a Turkish girl who didn't know much Dutch yet (and only some English)
[02:24] <JanC> and they bought a second hand laptop and asked us to install Ubuntu on it
[02:25] <JanC> (apparently there is no Turkish MS Windows available in Belgian shops, and certainly not on that computer fair)
[02:25] <JanC> so I installed it in Turkish all the way (including the installer)
[02:25] <YoBoY> you are crazy ^^"
[02:26] <YoBoY> for that type of install, i would have done it in english and installed the language pack after
[02:26] <JanC> I knew the positions of most answers, and asked the couple to translate if I wasn't sure  ☺
[02:27] <JanC> this way, it was easier to engage them
[02:27] <JanC> and show it was really multilingual  :P
[02:27] <YoBoY> sure :)
[02:29] <YoBoY> time to sleep ^^ good night
[02:29] <JanC> YoBoY: big tip: try to get Ubuntu in schools that still teach latin
[02:30] <JanC> they will really drool on this OS which is available in latin, has a latin word processor, a latin spellchecker, etc.
[02:32] <JanC> same if you know places/associations that teach/use esperanto
[09:17] <YoBoY> good morning
[09:19] <YoBoY> JanC: I tried once with an esperanto association, they seem interested but not enough :)
[23:28] <paultag> mhall119: hey dude