[00:00] <diplo> heh gn all!
[00:00] <jacobw> dude, its morning now ;)
[00:00] <jacobw> bah >:|
[00:28] <penguin42> heck the recaptcha captures are getting almost too hard for me to read
[00:41] <directhex> penguin42: they're running out of source material! Only books in ancient greek to turn into captchas!
[00:42] <penguin42> directhex: I think they're going to start using Korean next
[01:49] <Azelphur> If you fork something under the GPL and the copyright header contains the project name / author, should you change those or leave them intact?
[01:50] <Azelphur> because I know there's the whole "You shouldn't fork it under our name" thing but there's also the "You shouldn't modify the copyright header" thing
[01:50] <BigRedS> Azelphur: Generally, people seem to add their name to it
[01:50] <Azelphur> I see
[01:50] <BigRedS> but you'd need legal advice if you're after, er, legal advice :)
[01:50] <Azelphur> haha, was hoping it'd be a known thing seeing as lots of people fork things
[01:51] <BigRedS> ah, no, i think it's just accepted that most things under the GPL are done so by people more interested in seeing its spirit upheld than necessarily its letter
[01:51] <Azelphur> indeed
[01:51] <BigRedS> so most people aren't *that* concerned about sticking to the minutae of it
[01:53] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[01:53] <ali1234> it depends if the project ame is trademarked or not
[01:54] <ali1234> like firefox is trademarked
[01:54] <BigRedS> yeah, hence iceweasel and whatever the one in Arch is
[01:55] <BigRedS> er, parabola I suppose. Arch doesn't mind not-that-free
[01:55] <Azelphur> I see
[01:55] <ali1234> otoh if it isn't a project in the grip of commercial marketing companies, nobody will care
[01:55] <ali1234> like if you fork gcc and don't rename it, nobody will care
[01:56] <Azelphur> hehe
[01:56] <ali1234> if you fork firefox and don't rename it, expect lawyers to contact you if it gets popular
[01:57] <Azelphur> xD
[01:58] <gord> if you fork gcc and don't rename it no one will care because no one will ever know about it
[02:17] <Azelphur> ali1234: tis pretty funny, some dev just released a decompiler for sourcemod plugins (source engine game server plugins) and  there are a bunch of people panicing because they have released plugins to people with passwords for a shared MySQL db in them, rofl
[02:17] <ali1234> errrrr.....
[02:17] <Azelphur> "If you did that, your security was already compromised ages ago"
[02:17] <ali1234> you don't need a decompiler to get that information
[02:17] <Azelphur> exactly haha
[02:17] <ali1234> strings or wireshark will get it for you i bet
[02:18] <Azelphur> yep, exactly what I said
[02:18] <ali1234> so what language are they written in anyway?
[02:18] <Azelphur> I was even friendly enough to offer the worried people some support in rewriting their plugins in a more security conscious manner lol
[02:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: it's a custom language
[02:18] <ali1234> what's it like?
[02:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: I think you'd like it tbh, C like syntax, it's built on top of this http://www.compuphase.com/small.htm
[02:19] <ali1234> is it anyway related to QuakeC?
[02:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: the guy who made it is rather brilliant, he got ninja'd by the mozilla developers and works on jaegermonkey now
[02:19] <Azelphur> I don't think so no
[02:52] <ben1u> hello, is it possible to change the weekdays in ClearWeather Screenlets to German language?
[03:01] <anth21> testing 1 2 3
[08:47] <danfish> morning all!
[08:47] <AlanBell> morning
[08:48] <danfish> 12.04 installed on this laptop and seems ok
[08:48] <danfish> AlanBell: how are the chickens coping in this cold snap?
[08:48] <AlanBell> I found a frozen egg this morning, it had a crack in it due to expansion of the contnet
[08:49] <AlanBell> content
[08:49] <AlanBell> generally they are fine, I just give them a bit of extra corn to keep them warm
[08:50] <AlanBell> they have a fast metabolism and quite a high body temperature
[08:52]  * danfish has a pair of ducks arriving next month :)
[08:52] <AlanBell> wow
[08:56] <danfish> a pair of gressinghams - apparently they are very aggressive towards foxes
[09:07] <AlanBell> boy/girl pair?
[09:14] <danfish> yup
[09:15] <danfish> "crispy" and "peking"
[09:58] <christel> hrmm, does ducks lay eggs? well, obviously they do, what i mean is... are they as useful as chickens in the egg production department? :)
[09:58] <AlanBell> they are not as productive
[09:59] <AlanBell> and you have to collect the eggs quick and cook them well, the shells are a bit porus
[09:59] <AlanBell> http://www.omlet.co.uk/guide/guide.php?view=Ducks&cat=Eggs&sub=eggs
[10:00] <daubers> Morning
[10:05] <popey> morning all
[10:07]  * TheOpenSourcerer goes to cook some lovely green back bacon for breakfast, perhaps with an egg or three
[10:11] <popey> mmmmm bacon
[10:42] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:42] <dwatkins> good morrow
[10:42] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[10:49] <popey> pip pip
[10:50] <brobostigon> morning popey
[11:13] <dwatkins> I am collecting USB cables, there are many types.
[11:16] <popey> hah
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> 16km. -2°C. Argh :)
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: A-B, A-MiniB, A-MicroB, MicroB-FemaleA (OTG!)...
[11:22] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: absolutely, far too many of the little things
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> My legs hurt.
[11:32] <dwatkins> Well if you will run 16km, MartijnVdS ;)
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: yes that might have something to do with it ;)
[12:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Kwabena Aning] A standalone java/jar application from Scala sources using Proguard - http://blog.kaning.co.uk/archives/325
[12:17]  * danfish has just put cyanogen's ICS on my desire - so far very good
[12:21]  * MartijnVdS looks at his galaxy nexus
[12:22]  * brobostigon hugs his htc dream, but wants something new.
[12:26] <jacobw> sigh, no ics without nexus s
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> Haven't they ported ICS to the N1 as well?
[12:30]  * dwatkins has a HTC Desire HD with CM7
[12:34] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: CM have
[12:36]  * jacobw has DHD with MIUI 2.2.10
[12:38] <czajkowski> danfish: I was cheated!
[12:39] <dwatkins> jacobw: I hadn't seen that distro, how does it compare to stock Android and/or Cyanogenmod?
[12:39] <jacobw> dwatkins: its much better
[12:39] <jacobw> dwatkins: improved UI
[12:40] <dwatkins> This reminds me, I should backup my SD card and savegames ;)
[12:40] <danfish> czajkowski: twas a very late decision to abort!
[12:42] <czajkowski> danfish: indeed
[12:46] <jacobw> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls_ReDhHO2g
[12:46] <jacobw> obv, not stable.
[12:46] <jacobw> but, ics on dhd!
[12:52] <penguin42> dhd?
[12:52] <dwatkins> Desire HD
[12:52] <penguin42> ah
[12:53] <penguin42> oh dear, the french really do use Mo and Go for sizes
[12:53] <dwatkins> penguin42: yeah, Megaoctet, etc.
[12:53] <jacobw> :|
[12:53] <penguin42> dwatkins: I thought it was an affliction reserved for standards docs
[12:54] <dwatkins> penguin42: there's an institute in Paris which is charged with protecting the French language, and ensuring that things like CDs are called "disque compact" instead of using the English words.
[12:54] <jacobw> i guess it solves the Mb || MB ? problem
[12:55] <penguin42> dwatkins: Yeh
[12:56] <danfish> off-topic, but at supermarket loaf of bread = £1.50 vs £1 for 1.5kg of flour (=3 loaves + kids having lots of fun!)
[12:59] <penguin42> (+ electricity, washing, yeast costs)
[13:00] <gordonjcp> danfish: totally
[13:01] <gordonjcp> yeast is like 50p for 200g
[13:03] <dwatkins> I'm quite tempted to get a bread making machine, but I guess you can do it in the oven easily enough.
[13:04] <dwatkins> "Remember, bread making is not an exact science"
[13:05] <gordonjcp> I don't really "get" breadmaking machines
[13:05] <gordonjcp> they do all the fun bits
[13:06] <dwatkins> heh yeah, my brother has one that they use every day - saves a lot of time
[13:06] <gordonjcp> what I've started doing is just making the dough really wet and leaving it overnight
[13:06] <dwatkins> I guess it's fun at first but if you have to do it every day it becomes a chore.
[13:07] <gordonjcp> pap it in the oven at 6am and go back to bed for half an hour
[13:07] <dwatkins> What does leaving it over night do to the dough?
[13:07] <gordonjcp> well the gluten chains link up slowly without kneading
[13:07] <gordonjcp> it does need to be quite wet though
[13:07] <dwatkins> aha, I see
[13:10] <penguin42> gordonjcp: '6am' - what's that?
[13:10] <gordonjcp> it's when I get up to stick bread in the oven, on baking days
[13:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> We use our bread maker very frequently. It's the most used "kitchen gadget" evah!
[13:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Before we go to bed, stick some bits in the machine, wake up and we have fresh bread :-)
[13:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Great for quickly knocking up pizza dough, takes 45 minutes and happens whilst you are doing something else.
[13:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Great for making roll dough or naan bread dough or loads of other bread-based things. A very, very useful device IMO.
[13:21]  * brobostigon imagines a margarita. :)
[13:23] <gordonjcp> I like making pizza dough though
[13:23] <gordonjcp> or any bread dough
[13:23]  * MartijnVdS is baking banana cake
[13:23] <gordonjcp> mix it up, let it rise a bit, knock it back, then knead it
[13:24] <gordonjcp> and the problem is people don't knead their bread enough
[13:24] <gordonjcp> the simple answer is to stick on the 12" of Blue Monday
[13:24] <directhex> when i was an undergrad, we bread machined all the time
[13:24] <gordonjcp> it's the right speed and length
[13:24] <directhex> constant bread mahine workflow, thanks to someone always being awake due to switching to the wrong timezone to play online games
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> Banana cake > *
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> well
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> banana cake with chocolate > banana cake > *
[13:25] <gordonjcp> oooo
[13:26] <gordonjcp> directhex: you should just start a bakery
[13:27] <gordonjcp> directhex: like the kind of underground supper club movement where people set up "restaurants" in their homes
[13:27] <gordonjcp> except do it with a bakery
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> YeastEasy?
[13:29] <gordonjcp> heh
[13:31] <BigRedS> If I telnet to a machine on tcp/143 and do "1 login user pass", is that login or plain auth?
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: you can query it for supported auth methods
[13:35] <BigRedS> yeah, i just know that one works and I'm wondering why imapsync refuses to
[13:35] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: which breadmaker have u got?
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: it's not encrypted anyway
[13:36] <BigRedS> No, I know. That bit isn't an issue.
[13:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> danfish: A Panasonic one. We've had it for quite a while now can't remember which model, but it's one without a viewing window
[13:36] <BigRedS> it's teh mail not moving that is :)
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: do you have access to the server log?
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: maybe it has more details
[13:40] <BigRedS> yeah, it just logs success when I log in and nothing when imapsync, er, doesn't.
[13:41] <BigRedS> I think I'm just going to scp this all to anotehr server and see if that one's any more compliant
[13:41]  * MartijnVdS wanders off to find a floppy cable
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> (yes!)
[13:59]  * BigRedS finds a typo in his imapsync script
[13:59]  * BigRedS feels a bit embarrased :)
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> in the password bit?
[14:01] <BigRedS> maybe
[14:32] <jacobw> ha
[15:01] <jacobw> BigRedS: what does imapsync do?
[15:05] <BigRedS> jacobw: it logs into two imap servers and downloads the mail from one and puts it in the other
[15:05] <BigRedS> it's really handy for migrating peopel between servers which disagree on what an imap index should look like
[15:05] <jacobw> BigRedS: can it do two mailboxes on the same server?
[15:05] <jacobw> i see
[15:05] <jacobw> i.e. cyrus and dovecot?
[15:18] <BigRedS> jacobw: well, you just invoke it once per mailbox
[15:18] <BigRedS> so normally you concoct a script which you pass a list of usernames and passwords to
[15:18] <BigRedS> and generally you try to write $password rather than $pasword :)
[15:18] <BigRedS> but, yeah, this was to go from an ageing vpopmail (so courier) system to a dovecot one
[15:26] <AlanBell> an SIS graphics card is bad right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/839162/
[15:28] <gordonjcp> let me fire up the Celeron D machine here with an SiS card just to show you...
[15:29] <AlanBell> just booted precise on it, graphics are very glitchy, to the point of unuseable
[15:29] <AlanBell> it is doing unity3d, but badly
[15:30] <AlanBell> this is a celeron 2Ghz
[15:30] <gordonjcp> when I installed it at first, I thought that 10.04 had been updated from the original nicotine-and-baby-shit browns to the bruise-and-septicaemia purples colours of 11.10
[15:30] <gordonjcp> no, it was just horribly corrupt
[15:30]  * BigRedS realises where he recognises teh colour of his fosdem t-shirt from
[15:30] <AlanBell> yeah, this is a mess
[15:31]  * gordonjcp wonders what the final graphics for the 2012 Ubuntus will look like
[15:31] <gordonjcp> can we have green this time, or maybe blue?
[15:32] <gordonjcp> Android is going for blacks and greys, that could look quite striking
[15:32] <AlanBell> right, no mum&dadbuntu today, new motherboard and monitor first
[15:33] <AlanBell> in fact, there isn't much to salvage, new motherboard, ram, monitor, might as well get a new computer
[15:33] <gordonjcp> you know how there are websites that will pick a palette of colours from a photograph, to help with things like web design
[15:33] <gordonjcp> wouldn't it be cool if the Gtk themes picked up colours from the current background image
[15:34] <BigRedS> oooh, that'd be neat
[15:34] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: I was looking at some new PCs on scam, box.co.uk etc
[15:34] <gordonjcp> BigRedS: I thought about doing that for my website
[15:34] <gordonjcp> so I could upload a new header image and it would tweak the CSS to match
[15:34] <BigRedS> I've no idea about colour co-ordination, that would help a treat :)
[15:35] <gordonjcp> BigRedS: it's got to be better than 2010's delightful shades of British Leyland browns, and 2011's infected wound tones
[15:36] <jacobw> that'd be awesome
[15:36] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: I see this company Zoostorm cropping up on a lot of supplier's websites
[15:37] <AlanBell> lets try unity2d on this . . .
[15:39] <AlanBell> that did not go well
[15:39] <BigRedS> my mum rather liked the purples
[15:39] <gordonjcp> I was quite tempted to buy one of their core i5s
[15:39] <gordonjcp> I don't really know what the difference between the different flavours of "Core" CPU is
[15:40] <BigRedS> bigger numbers are better
[15:41] <gordonjcp> well I figured that much out
[15:41] <BigRedS> Oh
[15:41] <BigRedS> That's all there is to hardware as far as I can get my head round :)
[15:41] <gordonjcp> core i5s are a bit more expensive than core i3
[15:41] <gordonjcp> and core i7 is *way* more expensive than i5
[15:42] <penguin42> gordonjcp: i7's tend to be quad cores with hyperthread
[15:42] <gordonjcp> oh okay, i3 is only dual-core, i5 is quad
[15:42] <gordonjcp> aha, i3 doesn't do virtualisation?
[15:42] <penguin42> gordonjcp: Generally the xxxx series are newer than the xxx series; so my 2 year old i7 is an i860 and the newer ones are something like 2xxx
[15:43] <penguin42> gordonjcp: http://ark.intel.com/  is good for finding exact intel specs
[15:43] <gordonjcp> I just want one with graphics that doesn't entirely suck and that supports virtualisation ;-)
[15:44] <popey> AlanBell: i had same issue on my sisters computer
[15:45] <penguin42> gordonjcp: Watch out, the feature set varies within the i range - so they might lose a feature on the bottom end of each range
[15:47] <penguin42> gordonjcp: But even some of hte newer Celeron's list VT (virtualistion) - e.g. http://ark.intel.com/products/42772/Intel-Celeron-Processor-E3400-(1M-Cache-2_60-GHz-800-MHz-FSB)
[15:48] <gordonjcp> I wonder if that would be better overall
[15:48] <gordonjcp> it's academic this month anyway since I have half a tank of heating oil and a large vet's bill to pay for :-/
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> good day to you gentlemen, gentleladies & non-discrimated-gentlefolk all
[15:53] <BigRedS> what about the non-gentles?
[15:55] <SuperEngineer> golly gosh!   obut of course!  ...& good day  non-gentles  [whew, that was close]
[15:56] <popey> ar
[15:56] <BigRedS> haha
[15:58] <BigRedS> Hm. Why do none of these things that have a "share your location" thing ever let you say what your location is
[16:02] <gordonjcp> well, it's supposed to pick it up from your GPS or celltower
[16:03] <BigRedS> yeah, or IP address
[16:03] <BigRedS> it's just often wrong
[16:04] <BigRedS> I just wonder why it's assumed that the user doens't know where they are
[16:04] <BigRedS> or doesn't want to say and would rather the phone/computer/website guessed
[16:05] <BigRedS> It's never mattered, just seems odd
[16:09] <SuperEngineer> anyone testing 12.04 *and* tried it with a Huwawei 3G broadband dongle by any chance?  [as in bug #868034]
[16:10]  * SuperEngineer thanks the lubbotu for saving copy & paste ;)
[17:43] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004NT4GPO
[17:43] <popey> not a bad deal
[17:43] <popey> 12 quid for 32 AA batteries
[17:43] <mgdm> nice
[17:45] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B004NT888A AAA also cheap
[17:48] <o0000o> hey guys, I jus' got  a second-hand really messy gunked up old Gameboy Color from my aunt, I cleaned it up good and is lookin' great!
[17:49] <o0000o> the screen has a little condensation underneath it though :-(
[17:49] <penguin42> popey: www.7dayshop.com is a good place generally for cheap batteries
[17:50] <o0000o> penguin42: Amazon has most of 7dayshop, and much more, better off with Amazon
[17:50] <o0000o> 7dayshop sell on Amazon
[17:50] <penguin42> o0000o: Yep it varies a bit
[17:51] <o0000o> anyone here know where I can get a good GBC flashcart?
[17:51] <o0000o> no DS please, just GBC
[17:53] <o0000o> am waitin' on a Cybiko Extreme from Ebay
[17:54] <o0000o> the battery is solder inside, is gonna be dead, prolly not gonna turn on, anyone know a similar Lithium bat I could solder in place of the old one?
[18:18] <SuperEngineer> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/YIlpMXHyiWw/from-the-nuremberg-toy-fair-a-new-linux-system-for-rc-cars
[18:20] <SuperEngineer> btw... anyone know of a way to filter an RSS feed in Liferea [i.e. Slashdot} to make it less boring?
[19:08] <SuperEngineer> ok,. next beg:. have I 'security tied down' Chromium too much [specifically G+ Angry Birds} or is it geniunely having probs?
[19:37] <diplo> Evening all
[19:39] <zleap> hi
[19:42] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Nice car; I see that site is really attempting to get ladies involved in model building
[19:43] <penguin42> erm sorry, they must have confused the word 'model'
[19:43] <SuperEngineer> penguin42:   que?
[19:44] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: When I follow the link to the page describing the linux based car it's very nice but has scantily dressed ladies playing with their models
[19:46] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: wot "linux based car"?  are you schmoking something naughty by any chance?
[19:46] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Indeed that one, and no I'm not!
[19:46] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: http://www.hobbymedia.it/36286/wirc-linux-sistema-di-controllo-via-iphoneandroid-per-modelli-radiocomandati-smart-racer-by-dension
[19:46] <SuperEngineer> ...ooo - the Radio Control car....
[19:47] <SuperEngineer> i'll check that link myself
[19:47] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I mean definitely not the type of dress they should be wearing if they've got their soldering iron out
[19:49] <SuperEngineer> er -no - that takes me to:  hobby media... WiRC Linux: Sistema di controllo via iPhone/Android per modelli radiocomandati - Smart Racer by Dension
[19:50] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Yeh which it says uses embedded linux
[19:50] <SuperEngineer> methinks your browser is pre-empting your night time thoughts for you [I'm putting that as  nicely as I can right now]
[19:50] <penguin42> sigh, I'm going to have to screenshot this aren't I
[19:50] <SuperEngineer> yup
[19:51] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: So on the right side of that page is there not something entitled 'Craft RC...' with a young lady paying attention to her circuit board
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> hang on- got it- you're looking at the "advert£ column on the right hand side, areen't you!
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> you naughty person
[19:53] <SuperEngineer> train your brain to ignore rubbish lkie that
[19:53] <penguin42> well I do try
[19:53] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: but I keep worrying about them; I mean I hope she's taken the batteries out
[19:54] <SuperEngineer> ooooH... dear penguin42 .... if you send me your a/c number & pin number I can rectify that for you!
[19:54] <SuperEngineer> no!
[19:54] <SuperEngineer> train your brain
[19:55] <SuperEngineer> p.s. I'm sure she took the batteries outr - don't worry ;)
[19:58] <SuperEngineer> ...and inn view of [advert] content on the link I posted which may "distract", I suggest nobody else follows the link.
[20:07] <diplo> Anyone any good with Libreoffice ?
[20:08] <diplo> Not used any office apps fora  few years, bit rusty :P
[21:05] <gordonjcp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/827382
[21:05] <gordonjcp> more high-quality bug fixing in Ubuntu
[21:05] <gordonjcp> "oh it doesn't work so we took it out of the description"
[21:06] <gordonjcp> yeah, brilliant
[21:10] <DJones> Hmmh, am I meant to be able to spot an obvious difference in 12.04 compared to 11.10 desktops
[21:12] <ali1234> depends how up to date you are
[21:13] <DJones> This is a fresh install
[21:13] <ali1234> there was just a change made that makes unity only consider windows on the current workspace when using the switcher
[21:13] <ali1234> which i've been asking for for like a year :)
[21:14] <DJones> Heh
[21:15]  * brobostigon has a play with 12.04 lts from live-sd with persistence.
[21:15] <brobostigon> on his eeepc 900*
[21:17] <DJones> I'm just trying it in virtualbox
[21:17] <brobostigon> it certainly uses more ram than standard debian sid, running gnome-shell
[21:19] <DJones> This VM only has 1Gb ram, 64Mb graphics, Unity 3D was a bit flaky, lots of screen artifacts, but 2D is nice and smooth
[21:20] <brobostigon> normal unity is working well here, not issues yet,
[21:21] <popey> unity is not great in a VM, much better on bare metal
[21:21] <brobostigon> agreed.
[21:21] <DJones> I was guessing that would be the reason
[21:21] <popey> and really needs 1GB RAM min
[21:22] <brobostigon> i think i should be fine mostly, with 1Gb of persistence, if i need to install softwarem abd or do upgrades.
[21:23] <brobostigon> popey: i agree, i only have a terminal open, and only have 129mb free.
[21:23] <popey> how are you measuring free memory?
[21:23] <brobostigon> popey: df -h -T
[21:23] <ali1234> of my 16GB, 4GB is used by programs, and 10GB is used by disk cache
[21:23] <popey> oh, disk space not memory
[21:23] <brobostigon> popey: top.
[21:24] <brobostigon> ram,*
[21:24] <brobostigon> brainfart
[21:24] <popey> which number?
[21:24] <brobostigon> sorry
[21:24] <ali1234> the top memory users are compiz and firefox at 300m each
[21:24] <popey> brobostigon: how much 'cached' ?
[21:25] <brobostigon> Mem:   1016764k total,   892784k used,   123980k free,    45320k buffers
[21:25]  * SuperEngineer is guessing all those folks in 3rd world countries can *easiy* do that :(
[21:25] <popey> brobostigon: and the next line?
[21:25] <brobostigon> Swap:   690172k total,     9884k used,   680288k free,   570964k cached
[21:25] <popey> brobostigon: you have loads of free RAM ☺
[21:25] <ali1234> lolz
[21:26] <brobostigon> popey: ok, hmm, i think i need to do more research, oh, i see now, cached, damn,
[21:26]  * brobostigon scp's popey a beer.
[21:26] <ahayzen> This is a useful page for explaining things :)
[21:26] <ahayzen> http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[21:27] <brobostigon> continued brainfart,
[21:27] <brobostigon> :(
[21:28] <brobostigon> takes some time to get used to the global menus again, after being in gnome-shell
[21:30] <popey> wont have to for long
[21:30] <brobostigon> yes, the other thingie, cant remember the name, but yes, i did read about.
[21:31] <brobostigon> do you happen to have the ppa addr?
[21:31] <popey> oh, you mean HUD?
[21:31] <brobostigon> yes.
[21:31] <popey> I wasn't talking about that.
[21:31] <brobostigon> oh.
[21:31] <popey> menus will be switchable between global and integrated either in 12.04 or 12.10
[21:32] <brobostigon> ah, i dont remember reading about that, that is new, interesting.
[21:32] <ging> i'm so close to installing unity
[21:33] <brobostigon> has anyone actually tried HUD, is it usable, i mean, fairly stably, i dont instability, i am used to debian sid.
[21:33] <popey> i have used it
[21:33] <brobostigon> mind*
[21:34] <popey> its not finished yet
[21:34] <ali1234> the latest unity is very crashy
[21:34] <ali1234> crashes about once a day here
[21:34] <popey> I've not had that
[21:34] <brobostigon> popey: ok, so i should wait abit.
[21:34] <popey> maybe multi monitor related
[21:34] <ali1234> normally it crashes while pushing against the edge of the screen
[21:34] <ali1234> then the screen goes black and you are dumped at the login screen
[21:34] <popey> nice
[21:35] <ali1234> probably xorg actually
[21:35] <brobostigon> popey: second question, can turn it on and off ? if i do try it?
[21:35] <ali1234> "just don't press alt"
[21:36] <ali1234> "what do you mean your program already uses alt for something else?"
[21:36] <brobostigon> eek
[21:36] <brobostigon> eeek
[21:36] <ali1234> also you can just uninstall the ppa
[21:36] <brobostigon> and kill the installed packages.
[21:37] <popey> as I said, it's not finished
[21:37] <daubers> I've not had any issues with hud tbh
[21:38] <daubers> It's quite swish on the odd occasion I use it
[21:38] <brobostigon> ok, what is the ppa addr?
[21:38] <popey> !hud
[21:38] <brobostigon> thank you popey
[21:39] <ali1234> also, i TOLD you they wanted to kill menus
[21:39] <ali1234> but did you listen? no, you did not
[21:40] <popey> do you iron your grumpy trousers before you put them on? ☺
[21:40] <brobostigon> afterall, if something breaks, am in no loss, so i can risk.
[21:41] <ali1234> who here has ever had to use a program in a different language that you can't speak?
[21:42] <ali1234> like chinese
[21:42] <ali1234> how is that going to work out with hud?
[21:42] <ali1234> i don't even know how to type those characters let alone form words
[21:42] <ali1234> but with normal menus i can guess what they do based on their layout
[21:43] <ali1234> like quit is going to be the bottom item in the first menu
[21:48] <ging> i installed unity onto xubuntu and now it looks wrong
[21:50] <ging> ah i made it worse by trying to change the theme
[21:52] <brobostigon> ok, looks like, the ppa, doesnt have a unity HUD version it is able to install,
[21:58] <SuperEngineer> I wish you all a good night night & leave you with tonight's thought...
[21:58] <SuperEngineer> ...I wonder what noise a bee makes when it farts?
[21:58] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[21:59] <ging> bees can't fart, if you feed them cola they explode
[22:02]  * czajkowski frowns at ging 
[22:04]  * popey tickles exobuzz 
[22:04] <exobuzz> hi .. *snigger*
[22:05]  * exobuzz gives popey some manlove in return
[22:05] <popey> :D
[22:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Gareth France] Tottenham Court Road/Bracknell 11/12th February 2012 - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=86
[22:09] <brobostigon> thats interesting, alt-tab, has show desktop. afterall, unity has a desktop, gnome-shell doesnt.
[22:14] <brobostigon> sudo apt-get install synaptic aptitude
[22:14] <brobostigon> wwops.
[22:27] <brobostigon> something else, inside alt-tab, if you hit arrow down, while in alt-tab, it shows the windows within that app.
[22:28] <brobostigon> i like that,
[22:31] <brobostigon> weird, sometimes, i can have terminal open, but global menu, shows the menus, for an entirly different app, applies to any app, not just terminal.
[22:49] <brobostigon> silly thing is, when you hit arrow down, even with only one app window open, it shows two windows, that are the same.
[22:53] <ali1234> alt-tab is silly in just about every way
[22:53] <ali1234> on every desktop that implements it
[22:54] <brobostigon> ali1234: there are some good implementations. like in BeOS.
[22:54] <popey> brobostigon: alt and the key above tab also let you alt tab with the window showing
[22:55] <brobostigon> popey: let me try,
[22:56] <brobostigon> oh, my mistake, it is showing the seperate gnome-terminal tabs, i think.
[22:56] <brobostigon> no, it is not, hmm.
[22:57] <brobostigon> popey: i tink i have found something, it shows one window, for other apps, withi one app window open, other than gnome-terminal, shows two, always, with even one window open.
[23:06] <directhex> beos! ^_^
[23:06] <brobostigon> :)
[23:07] <siamese>  /server irc.2ch.net
[23:07] <bigcalm> No
[23:09] <brobostigon> directhex: i used BeOS as a teenager, in the mid 90's. so way before most people used and heard about it. and now, support haiku-os, but doing source compiles, and tests and file bugs.
[23:09] <directhex> i paid money for beos. money!
[23:10] <brobostigon> i did personally, also, for x86 R5, and powerpc R5.
[23:10] <exobuzz> if you want to be an amiga hobbyist you are expected to pay serious money for either os4 or morphos.. no thanks!
[23:11] <brobostigon> in roughly, 1999
[23:11] <exobuzz> closed source, and gang mentalities all round.
[23:11] <ali1234> amiga is still going?
[23:11] <brobostigon> haiku is the future, :)
[23:11] <exobuzz> if you are stupid enough yeh heh
[23:12] <exobuzz> i say that as an amiga user.. amiga users are very annoying types.. the ones that are left.. mostly
[23:12] <ali1234> you would have to be even more stubborn than me to still be using one, so that makes perfect sense
[23:13] <brobostigon> i am annoying, i still use BeOS, in a way, by using haiku.
[23:13] <gordonjcp> haiku!
[23:13] <exobuzz> i cross compiled an app to run on morphos and tested it on a time limited version of morphos.. im not going to fork out 150euros for that.. they have a funny idea of getting users on board.. or even devs.. i doubt id do that again
[23:14] <gordonjcp> brobostigon: I always say that Windows is like having a BMW or Audi or something, it's obviously expensive, it's obviously had a lot of time spent on details, but it's a pain in the arse
[23:15] <gordonjcp> Linux is like a Landrover, no two are quite the same
[23:15] <gordonjcp> and you can make it into whatever you want, work on it in your driveway, and people all over the world will help you with it
[23:15] <gordonjcp> but I prefer BeOS, which is like an old Citroen
[23:15] <exobuzz> ubuntu users are not that dissimilar to amiga users.. it aint a compliment.. heh
[23:16] <gordonjcp> everything about it is totally different to what you expect, you hate it for the first hour then never want to drive anything else again once you're used to it, and they don't really make it any more
[23:16] <ali1234> linux: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LRRvQH7alc
[23:16] <exobuzz> ali1234, haha
[23:19] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[23:19] <brobostigon> gordonjcp: agreed, yes, quite,
[23:20] <brobostigon> gordonjcp: exception being haiku-os.
[23:20] <gordonjcp> brobostigon: well yeah
[23:20] <gordonjcp> brobostigon: I see Haiku as being a bit like the 2CV replacement parts guys
[23:20] <gordonjcp> you can build a brand new 2CV
[23:20] <brobostigon> gordonjcp: and at the moment, it has surpassed BeOS in many ways, and improved upon,
[23:21] <gordonjcp> everything is available down to the last screw, *except* the gearbox shells
[23:21] <gordonjcp> haiku is pretty awesome
[23:21] <gordonjcp> I just wish it did power management so I could run it on my laptop without the fans screaming
[23:22] <brobostigon> gordonjcp: interesting thing to know, is BE opensourced most of the major components, so, made things alot easier with the haiku guys and gals.
[23:22] <gordonjcp> yup
[23:22] <brobostigon> gordonjcp: i had trouble with that also, my eepc almost overheated.
[23:22] <ali1234> what were those little sit down electric scooter type things called?
[23:22] <gordonjcp> I should get back into Haiku
[23:22] <gordonjcp> ali1234: dodgems?
[23:22] <gordonjcp> Sinclair C5
[23:22] <ali1234> yeah they were like a dodgem
[23:23] <ali1234> yeah!
[23:23] <ali1234> i always get that mived up with 2CV
[23:23] <brobostigon> gordonjcp: i do a compile every few weeks, and have a good time, :)
[23:23] <gordonjcp> brobostigon: once I get a few other projects off the bench I'll maybe get back into Haiku
[23:23] <gordonjcp> ali1234: even more annoying that there's a Citroen C5
[23:23] <gordonjcp> makes googling for Sinclair C5 bits tricky
[23:23] <gordonjcp> not to mention ebay
[23:23] <brobostigon> gordonjcp: as popey said a while ago, i actually have the time, to persue these things, as then, i had no real work.
[23:23] <ali1234> why... why... would you do that?
[23:24] <brobostigon> gordonjcp: and still dont, no one wants me.
[23:24] <gordonjcp> brobostigon: :-/
[23:24] <gordonjcp> I need to learn ARM embedded development *really* quickly
[23:24] <brobostigon> ok, need sleep, busy day tmrw,
[23:24] <brobostigon> good night everyone.