[00:44] <eeemsi> ohai there
[00:44] <eeemsi> i was playing around with ubuntu 12.04
[00:45] <eeemsi> several things happened that were - lets call it freaking buggy
[00:55] <eeemsi> showing the "cheat sheet" for the short is buggy
[00:56] <eeemsi> the launcher does not move aside if a window touches its border
[00:57] <eeemsi> and one very basic question -> how to open multiple xterms?
[00:59] <eeemsi> what was also weird is the klicking behaviour in the system setting window
[01:07] <snadge> how do you bring up the cheat sheet?
[01:08] <snadge> i did that accidentally before
[01:08] <snadge> also.. the issue with dash not autohiding is known
[01:08] <eeemsi> pressing the windows key
[01:08] <snadge> ahh holding it down
[01:08] <eeemsi> i'm already on another machine without it ;)
[01:09] <snadge> you need to either change it in background settings or ccsm
[01:09] <eeemsi> holding down the mod1 for a while brings up number in the launcher
[01:09] <snadge> desktop background -> behaviour -> auto hide the launcher
[01:09] <eeemsi> that's not that bad actually ;)
[01:09] <snadge> on mine, for some reason, that option is greyed out
[01:09] <eeemsi> switch it on
[01:10] <snadge> but in ccsm, unity.. you can set it to dodge all windows, active windows, or always on top
[01:10] <eeemsi> also it seems that the borders of a workspace are not absolute
[01:10] <snadge> however.. some people (myself included) report that when autohide is enabled.. the reveal is broken.. ie.. move the mouse to the left edge, and dash doesnt reveal most of the time
[01:11] <eeemsi> it is
[01:11] <snadge> kinda sick of regressions in unity.. its like 2 steps forward, one step back.. but thats life
[01:12] <eeemsi> no its something
[01:12] <eeemsi> the reveal is buggy - agread
[01:13] <snadge> hardly anyone i know actually uses linux as a desktop to be perfectly honest
[01:13] <eeemsi> but the realy weird thing is that when the mouse gets near an active element the reveal seems to work
[01:13] <snadge> and the few people that i do.. tend to hate unity more than like it
[01:13] <snadge> i guess im "weird" in the sense that i have persisted with it for months now
[01:14] <snadge> and i cant be bothered with crap like linux mint.. etc
[01:14] <snadge> or gnome shell
[01:14] <eeemsi> coming from the tiling world unity does have some nice tricks indeed
[01:14] <eeemsi> dont let us flamewar in here
[01:15] <snadge> i think dash's position needs to be configurable though.. thats a show stopper for some people
[01:15] <eeemsi> we should give the devs ideas where these bugs might come from
[01:15] <snadge> some people have their monitors in portrait position
[01:15] <eeemsi> i think that the dash thing has to be thought about from scratch
[01:16] <eeemsi> or building an extra package for it
[01:16] <snadge> also some people might just want to be kinky and have it on the right instead of the left
[01:16] <eeemsi> anyway
[01:17] <eeemsi> that dash thing seems to not give the correct items for a search
[01:17] <snadge> ok well you're right.. instead of just talking "crap" .. could actually look into these bugs and assist with their resolution ;)
[01:17] <eeemsi> and is not that good -> usability(the thing that no one wants to hear)
[01:18] <eeemsi> ^^
[01:18] <eeemsi> can you tell me how to open multiple xterms?
[01:20] <eeemsi> i was expecting by right clicking it it gives me chance to open a new one … turns out it doesn't
[01:20] <eeemsi> it has to be possible somehow
[01:23] <snadge> umm... ctrl-alt-t opens a term
[01:23] <snadge> but not sure with xterm
[01:24] <eeemsi> im used to use urxvtc having urxvtd started via xsession
[01:25] <eeemsi> one thing i didn't try was to check for the urgency hint
[01:47] <eeemsi> snadge: sudo update-alternatives –config x-terminal-emulator
[01:47] <eeemsi> that should do it
[01:49] <eeemsi> oh and in addition you should add a 40nosuggestrecommands in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[01:50] <eeemsi> that does  lower the packets that should get downloaded
[01:50] <eeemsi> e.g. when installing mplayer java is not coming along ;)
[01:50] <eeemsi> mplayer does not need java
[02:01] <eeemsi> snadge: http://pastebin.com/dMgPXaaK
[10:38] <gang65> Hi
[10:40] <gang65> I would like to implement https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/874254 in Unity 2d
[10:40] <gang65> Unfortunately I'm stuck
[10:41] <gang65> I don't know how I could detect if the application was launched first rime
[10:41] <gang65> Is anyone knows where I should look for solution?
[14:09] <eeemsi__> ohai
[16:05] <EgoGratis> I am not used to mailing list so i decided (it was suggest to me too) i make one proposal about alternative Dodge Windows implementation here on the IRC channel. I think Unity Shell works better then Shells found in other OS-es and allows the user to use screen more efficiently. I don't care if default mode would be Never hide but i think this Unity Shell flagship option should be preserved too.
[16:05] <EgoGratis> I understand that current implementation does have some bugs that are probably hard to solve and because of that i would like to propose different implementation that would probably preserve "lean code" and "lean Unity Shell too". The approach would be much simplified. There would be third option in system setting: Never hide + Hide when at least one window on the screen/workspace is maximized. That would be it.
[16:05] <EgoGratis> In all other situations it would act exactly the same as Never hide mode does now. There would be no more "windows" behind Unity Launcher and a lot less bugs would be there? Unity Launcher would act only as ON/OFF switch and the only thing that would trigger the switch is condition at least one window has to be maximized! We could have "lean code" and preserve "lean Unity Shell too". What do you think?
[18:01] <sbte> htorque, I checked unity, libunity, nux, bamf, compiz, compiz-core, indicator-application and libindicator, but I can't find the leak
[18:01] <sbte> unless it's in one of the patches I submitted but that are still in queue
[18:40] <htorque> sbte: that's unfortunate. thanks for trying anyway!
[19:09] <sbte> htorque, well, it could still be that it's fixed when all of my patches are in. Fingers crossed :P
[19:09] <sbte> what do you use exactly for testing? Precise with the staging ppa enabled?
[19:35] <htorque> sbte: precise with unity from trunk
[19:36] <htorque> i can also reproduce the indicator-application leak with a daily live cd and some indicators installed (i checked, it doesn't depend on a single indicator being installed, but the more i install the faster the service grows).
[19:37] <htorque> i usually have indicator-multiload, -cpufreq and -sensors in use.
[20:22] <sbte> htorque, well, there's a lot more fixed in indicator-application trunk
[20:23] <htorque> going to try this next
[20:25] <sbte> htorque, well, it could also be fixes in other things used by unity
[20:26] <htorque> going to try those afterwards ;)
[20:26] <sbte> htorque, if you want to try them all you can use the staging ppa
[20:26] <sbte> but that might break your system every now and then
[20:26] <htorque> i'm using nux, libunity, unity trunk when testing this stuff. yeah, will do...
[20:27] <htorque> i'm fine with breakage :)
[20:27] <sbte> htorque, ok then :P
[20:28] <sbte> htorque, I also have 4 more fixes that still have to be approved
[20:28] <sbte> one fixes a 10mb/hour leak
[21:08] <ali1234> something very strange has happened to my unity
[21:08] <ali1234> the window switcher is only counting windows on the current workspace instead of all workspaces
[21:08] <ali1234> this is a feature i've wanted since forever
[21:08] <ali1234> but something tells me it is a bug
[21:09] <ali1234> i am running up to date precise
[21:10] <Daekdroom> ali1234, it's now the new default.
[21:10] <Daekdroom> You got your feature right there.
[21:10] <Daekdroom> No bug.
[21:11] <ali1234> awesome!!!
[21:13] <ahayzen> Daekdroom: Is this new 'feature' configurable (eg via ccsm) or is it forced upon the user?
[21:15] <ali1234> i feel like it doesn't go far enough. it still takes you to another workspace if there isn't already a window of that app on the current one
[21:15] <ali1234> they should be totally independent i think
[21:15] <ali1234> but hey, it's a start :)
[21:19] <ali1234> btw, the link in the topic to the mailing list is broken...
[21:21] <ali1234> the link at http://unity.ubuntu.com/contact-us/ is different and also broken
[21:21] <ali1234> and googling it sends me to a url that puts me in an endless openid authentication loop
[22:24] <bschaefer> jaytaoko, hey, just saw the merge failed. As you pushed some new changes last night
[22:24] <bschaefer> jaytaoko, ill have it fixed in a sec
[22:31] <Daekdroom> ahayzen, iirc it's configurable
[22:31] <ahayzen> Daekdroom: Where will the options be System settings/CCSM? ... or do you not know yet?
[22:32] <Daekdroom> ahayzen, I think it's 'Bias alt-tab to prefer windows on the current viewport' under the Switcher tab in CCSM
[22:32] <ahayzen> Deakdroom: Thx
[22:35] <bschaefer> jaytaoko, its all good now :)
[23:18] <sbte> thomi, is there anything else that needs to happen to get this in? https://code.launchpad.net/~sbte/unity/fix-919328/+merge/92100
[23:39] <thomi> sbte: nope, just gotta remind me to approve the MP - I forgot. Doing it now ;)
[23:39] <thomi> thanks for your help.
[23:40] <thomi> there we go - it should be merged in an hour or so.
[23:45] <sbte> thomi, ok thanks