| * Kilos greets everyone | 08:23 | |
| * Squirm greets Kilos | 08:24 | |
| Kilos | lol, lo Squirm | 08:24 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | Squirm, are you still a mxit expert? | 08:26 |
| Kilos | i have a friend that would like to market her unique valentine cards on mxchange | 08:27 |
| Kilos | they dont have a valentines section and she dunno how to go further | 08:28 |
| Kilos | she makes all kinda cards with a wildlife flavour and her own drawings | 08:29 |
| Squirm | Kilos: I have no idea. All I do on mxit it talk to like 2 people. Tradepost, etc annoys me :/ | 08:34 |
| Kilos | ah ty Squirm they have added the mxchange to buy and sell stuff too. and being worldwide would be a good marketing tool i think | 08:35 |
| Kilos | hi psydroid | 08:52 |
| psydroid | hi Kilos | 09:00 |
| psydroid | hi Squirm | 09:00 |
| psydroid | hi everyone | 09:00 |
| Kilos | hows things in the netherlands | 09:01 |
| Squirm | Kilos: I find it could chase casual people, like me, away | 09:01 |
| * Squirm looks at vehicle finance | 09:02 | |
| Squirm | scary | 09:02 |
| Kilos | ah | 09:02 |
| Kilos | morning superfly | 09:05 |
| Squirm | hello psydroid | 09:06 |
| superfly | morning Kilos | 09:06 |
| Kilos | bbl | 09:26 |
| inetpro | . | 17:38 |
| Kilos | lo inetpro | 17:38 |
| Kilos | welcome to ubuntu-za | 17:39 |
| inetpro | heh Kilos, thanks | 17:39 |
| inetpro | Kilos: what did I miss? | 17:39 |
| Kilos | dont forget lpi classes tuesday night hey? | 17:39 |
| * inetpro gives up reading the backlogs | 17:40 | |
| Kilos | nothing , been quiet every time i looked in | 17:40 |
| Kilos | lol theres nothing to read | 17:40 |
| inetpro | I haven't read since Friday some time | 17:41 |
| Kilos | ah then there was some the other night | 17:41 |
| Kilos | we chatted spanne | 17:41 |
| * inetpro 's body is hurting and tired | 17:42 | |
| Kilos | what happened now again. you fall off the bike again | 17:42 |
| inetpro | the teens made me chase them up and down a hiking trail on the Magaliesberg | 17:42 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:42 |
| Kilos | if you sore now you gonna be worse inna morning | 17:43 |
| inetpro | eish, I'm afraid | 17:43 |
| Kilos | hehe | 17:43 |
| Kilos | its ok a quick 3k jog will sort it | 17:44 |
| inetpro | yikes | 17:44 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 17:44 |
| Kilos | exercise is not a geeky thing hey | 17:44 |
| Kilos | hey whats news from corrie | 17:45 |
| Kilos | he still ok | 17:45 |
| Kilos | ? | 17:45 |
| Kilos | i forget those things, tara always moans | 17:46 |
| Kilos | xfactor mailed her yesterday and invited her to the next one. starting from round three | 17:47 |
| Kilos | so she is smiling again | 17:47 |
| superfly | Kilos: that's great news | 17:57 |
| superfly | I need to blog about the Ubuntu Hour | 17:58 |
| Kilos | yeah so we start hoping again hey superfly . she has been trying for 6 or 7 years to get her carrear going | 17:59 |
| Kilos | was it good superfly | 17:59 |
| superfly | Kilos: Yes, we had about 8 people there | 17:59 |
| Kilos | great | 17:59 |
| Kilos | well done, this is your first one hey | 18:00 |
| superfly | ya | 18:12 |
| Kilos | lo apie | 18:19 |
| kbmonkey | hello! | 18:20 |
| kbmonkey | how goes it? | 18:20 |
| Kilos | so so and you? | 18:20 |
| Kilos | someone should tell the lpi peeps there is a thing called gparted | 18:22 |
| kbmonkey | lol | 18:22 |
| kbmonkey | finding the text partitioner difficult?? | 18:23 |
| Kilos | it lies to me | 18:23 |
| kbmonkey | how so? | 18:23 |
| Kilos | first it complains about dos something then says go c then u the its sectors | 18:24 |
| Kilos | then add a partition | 18:24 |
| Kilos | nothing about if you want it boot or root or home or swap or nothing | 18:24 |
| kbmonkey | correct | 18:24 |
| Kilos | then try add another partition and it says no free sectors available | 18:25 |
| Kilos | grrr | 18:25 |
| kbmonkey | those you choose during the linux installation. | 18:25 |
| Kilos | oh | 18:25 |
| kbmonkey | what disk are you partitioning Kilos? | 18:25 |
| Kilos | 6g as sdb | 18:25 |
| kbmonkey | it probably has partitions on already, so there is no free space to partition | 18:26 |
| Kilos | its clean | 18:26 |
| Kilos | i cleaned it | 18:26 |
| Kilos | it now fat32 thing | 18:26 |
| Kilos | grrr | 18:26 |
| kbmonkey | oh ah ha | 18:26 |
| Kilos | didnt ask if i want ext 3 or 4 or niks | 18:26 |
| Kilos | then i looked man fdisk | 18:27 |
| Kilos | talks about cfdisk and sfdisk and other stuff i dont unnerstand | 18:27 |
| kbmonkey | are you following that manual? | 18:27 |
| Kilos | but 6g i think is too small to part anyway | 18:28 |
| Kilos | ya | 18:28 |
| kbmonkey | not at all :) | 18:28 |
| kbmonkey | you can part a 100MB disk ha ha | 18:28 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:28 |
| kbmonkey | okay here's what you do | 18:28 |
| Kilos | thats too small for boot even | 18:28 |
| kbmonkey | in fdisk you can press 'm' to see help | 18:29 |
| Kilos | dont you wanna do it on tues night so everyone is there | 18:29 |
| Kilos | done that | 18:29 |
| kbmonkey | press 'p' to print the current partitions. | 18:29 |
| kbmonkey | it sounds like you cleaned your 6g disk okay | 18:29 |
| Kilos | /dev/sdb1 * 2048 12593151 6295552 b W95 FAT32 | 18:29 |
| kbmonkey | then you added a partition, by default it sizes to fit the entire free space | 18:29 |
| kbmonkey | so you took all the space on one partition, leaving no room for making any others | 18:30 |
| kbmonkey | press 'd' to delete it, and add it again | 18:30 |
| kbmonkey | and when they ask your size, you have to type in how big you want it | 18:30 |
| Kilos | there is no choice for how big you want it | 18:30 |
| Kilos | it doesnt ask size | 18:30 |
| kbmonkey | it does | 18:31 |
| kbmonkey | i know fdisk backwards ;) | 18:31 |
| Kilos | ok deleted | 18:31 |
| Kilos | start at the beginning i cant work backwards | 18:31 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:31 |
| kbmonkey | 'n' to add new. choose [p]rimary partition. partitionno [1]. First sector default [enter] | 18:31 |
| kbmonkey | then it asks "Last Sector" | 18:32 |
| kbmonkey | that is your size | 18:32 |
| kbmonkey | to make it 500 MB, enter +500M | 18:32 |
| Kilos | wait | 18:32 |
| kbmonkey | to make it 1 Gigabyte, enter +1G | 18:32 |
| Kilos | n asks (1-4) | 18:33 |
| Kilos | i went 1 | 18:33 |
| Kilos | before | 18:33 |
| kbmonkey | if its the first one you making, choose 1 | 18:33 |
| kbmonkey | i find it helpful to write on paper how many partitions i want, and how big each | 18:33 |
| Kilos | wait | 18:34 |
| kbmonkey | partitions are like pizza slices. all together they make a whole pizza, err disk. | 18:34 |
| * Tonberry is far too much of a gparted fan | 18:34 | |
| Kilos | where it says First sector (2048-12594959, default 2048): | 18:34 |
| kbmonkey | default | 18:34 |
| Kilos | thats where i enter size | 18:34 |
| kbmonkey | no | 18:34 |
| kbmonkey | the start always default | 18:35 |
| Kilos | ok i must enter the default | 18:36 |
| Kilos | ? | 18:36 |
| kbmonkey | yes :] | 18:36 |
| Kilos | oh and enter size after the last sector | 18:37 |
| Kilos | Tonberry, i agree | 18:37 |
| kbmonkey | i like gparted too. used it plenty | 18:38 |
| kbmonkey | yes, the last sector is where your partition space Ends | 18:38 |
| Kilos | stupid thing complained about 500M wanted 500 MB | 18:38 |
| kbmonkey | so you tell fdisk to make a part that starts here and ends here | 18:39 |
| kbmonkey | you have to prefix the value with + | 18:39 |
| kbmonkey | +500M | 18:39 |
| Kilos | ok so now is there a 500m part for boot? | 18:39 |
| kbmonkey | press p | 18:39 |
| kbmonkey | where does part1 end? | 18:39 |
| kbmonkey | 2548? | 18:40 |
| Kilos | /dev/sdb1 2048 978610 488281+ | 18:40 |
| kbmonkey | that looks right :) | 18:40 |
| Kilos | yay | 18:40 |
| kbmonkey | now you can make the second one | 18:40 |
| kbmonkey | i know fdisk is low-level, but good reason we use it | 18:41 |
| Kilos | for root hey | 18:41 |
| kbmonkey | so #1 is you boot | 18:41 |
| kbmonkey | yes make one for /root | 18:41 |
| Kilos | root uses lotsa space | 18:42 |
| Kilos | had a /root on 80g once of 5g and it got full quick | 18:42 |
| Kilos | also now are we gonna make root a primary or extended partition | 18:43 |
| kbmonkey | how many partitions do you want in total? | 18:43 |
| kbmonkey | if you want 4 or less, make them all primary | 18:43 |
| Kilos | ok | 18:44 |
| Kilos | root and home of over 2g? | 18:45 |
| kbmonkey | i just realized you can force gaps between partitions, making 'hidden space' to store hidden documents | 18:45 |
| kbmonkey | lol | 18:45 |
| kbmonkey | boot wont ever use all that space hey | 18:45 |
| kbmonkey | my boot only takes 20Megs | 18:46 |
| Kilos | so why we made that first part 500MB | 18:46 |
| kbmonkey | what are you going to install? centos? | 18:46 |
| kbmonkey | no it's okay, its for practice and study so any value they say is fine :) | 18:47 |
| Kilos | i wanna see if i can ask someone to download it and post it to me | 18:48 |
| Kilos | but i am learning this fdisk now | 18:48 |
| kbmonkey | pm me your address :) | 18:48 |
| kbmonkey | this one example makes /boot 15 megs. lol | 18:54 |
| Kilos | LOL | 18:54 |
| Kilos | HOW BIG IS THE CENTOS BOOT | 18:54 |
| Kilos | EISH | 18:54 |
| Kilos | sorry | 18:54 |
| kbmonkey | ouch my ears! | 18:54 |
| kbmonkey | im not sure myself | 18:55 |
| kbmonkey | lets see | 18:55 |
| kbmonkey | for this text, 500 is fine | 18:55 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:55 |
| Kilos | shithead | 18:55 |
| Kilos | sorry | 18:55 |
| kbmonkey | bwha ha ha | 18:56 |
| Kilos | ok now suggest size for /root | 18:56 |
| kbmonkey | stick and stones may break my bones, but fdisk and shells excite me | 18:56 |
| Kilos | 2g? | 18:56 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:56 |
| kbmonkey | swap 500M | 18:57 |
| kbmonkey | oops. | 18:57 |
| Kilos | im not gonna be doing any updates or going online with centos i think, just want to work through the course with it so i can unnerstand where they coming from | 18:57 |
| kbmonkey | boot 500M | 18:58 |
| kbmonkey | root 3 | 18:58 |
| kbmonkey | swap 500M | 18:58 |
| kbmonkey | home 2G | 18:58 |
| kbmonkey | i'd do that | 18:58 |
| kbmonkey | since my centos is virtual, ill also make my disk 6g | 18:58 |
| Kilos | Last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G} (1955174-12594959, default 12594959): 3000GB | 19:00 |
| Kilos | Value out of range. | 19:00 |
| Kilos | grrr | 19:00 |
| kbmonkey | whoa that's a big partition! | 19:00 |
| Kilos | oh should be MB | 19:00 |
| kbmonkey | you mean +3G | 19:00 |
| inetpro | Maaz: coffee on | 19:00 |
| kbmonkey | see the line says: +size{K,M,G} | 19:01 |
| * Maaz starts grinding coffee | 19:01 | |
| kbmonkey | +size{K,M,G} | 19:01 |
| kbmonkey | +3{K,M,G} | 19:01 |
| kbmonkey | +3G | 19:01 |
| kbmonkey | "] | 19:01 |
| kbmonkey | don't ask me why you have to put a + | 19:01 |
| kbmonkey | Maaz coffee | 19:02 |
| Maaz | kbmonkey: What? | 19:02 |
| kbmonkey | Maaz give me your strongest cup of coffee! | 19:02 |
| Maaz | kbmonkey: Excuse me? | 19:02 |
| Kilos | lol Maaz coffee please | 19:02 |
| Kilos | eish | 19:02 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee please | 19:02 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Alrighty | 19:02 |
| kbmonkey | Maaz coffee please, black | 19:02 |
| Maaz | kbmonkey: Huh? | 19:02 |
| kbmonkey | oh well :) | 19:02 |
| Kilos | it said again the last 2G was outa range so i just entered and i think it used whatever was left on the disk | 19:03 |
| Kilos | now i think i understand this fdisk better | 19:03 |
| Kilos | ty kbmonkey | 19:04 |
| Kilos | i go gparted to see what i got | 19:04 |
| Kilos | oh i forgot p | 19:04 |
| Kilos | works kiff | 19:04 |
| Kilos | /dev/sdb1 2048 978610 488281+ 83 Linux | 19:04 |
| Kilos | /dev/sdb2 978611 1955173 488281+ 83 Linux | 19:04 |
| Kilos | /dev/sdb3 1955174 7814548 2929687+ 83 Linux | 19:04 |
| Kilos | /dev/sdb4 7814549 12594959 2390205+ 83 Linux | 19:04 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos! | 19:04 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 19:05 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 19:05 |
| inetpro | Maaz: dankie | 19:05 |
| Maaz | Groot plesier inetpro my vriend | 19:05 |
| kbmonkey | so gparted shows the sizes okay? good good | 19:05 |
| kbmonkey | yes I dont know why fdisk doesnt show sizes | 19:06 |
| Kilos | this was with fdisk p | 19:06 |
| Kilos | just p in command and it showed that | 19:06 |
| kbmonkey | i know, but you said you go gparted to see what you got | 19:06 |
| Kilos | works lekker | 19:06 |
| kbmonkey | good :) | 19:07 |
| kbmonkey | i mean, when you done, you press 'w' to write the changes | 19:07 |
| Kilos | then i said oh i forgot p so i p'ed first | 19:07 |
| Kilos | hehe | 19:07 |
| kbmonkey | then you can use gparted to just double-check the sizes, you know, to see if you got them right | 19:07 |
| Kilos | it made the 500m ones 476.84 | 19:09 |
| kbmonkey | close enough | 19:09 |
| Kilos | and the 3g 2.79G | 19:09 |
| Kilos | and the last one | 19:10 |
| kbmonkey | some good docs on partitions http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/fdisk_partitioning.html | 19:10 |
| Kilos | 2.28g | 19:10 |
| Kilos | ok will wget that ty laddy | 19:10 |
| Kilos | so fdisk worked | 19:10 |
| kbmonkey | heck the home doesnt even need to be large. its a test system we wont be saving any music or docs or much else in home | 19:11 |
| Kilos | no its for this course thats all | 19:11 |
| kbmonkey | the lpi manual says boot can be 100M to 250M big | 19:18 |
| Kilos | yeah but 500m is ok | 19:19 |
| kbmonkey | yes | 19:19 |
| Kilos | fdisk work well i think | 19:20 |
| Kilos | quicker and simpler than ms fdisk once you know how to use it | 19:21 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, is that manual link with pdf different to the one i gave | 19:22 |
| kbmonkey | let me check.. | 19:23 |
| kbmonkey | the pdf name says v_09 | 19:23 |
| Kilos | i gave Maaz the one inetpro asked about instead of the one i told him to use | 19:26 |
| Kilos | now not sure if they same | 19:26 |
| inetpro | huh? | 19:27 |
| Kilos | remember inetpro i gave you the manual link and you asked kb if it was the one that ended pdf | 19:28 |
| inetpro | Kilos: I got http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf | 19:29 |
| Kilos | ya inetpro but thats not the same as i gave you | 19:29 |
| kbmonkey | that's the one | 19:29 |
| Kilos | or had given maaz | 19:29 |
| * inetpro go sleep | 19:30 | |
| Kilos | i didnt get this one | 19:30 |
| Kilos | nag inetpro lekker slapp | 19:30 |
| Kilos | draf inna oggend | 19:30 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, i went to find it again in studies | 19:32 |
| Kilos | this is the one i have | 19:32 |
| Kilos | http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual | 19:32 |
| kbmonkey | that points to the same pdf in the first link | 19:34 |
| kbmonkey | but use this one instead, it's better if they update the manual again | 19:34 |
| Kilos | use which one | 19:35 |
| kbmonkey | tis latest one | 19:36 |
| kbmonkey | sorry, my brain is very bad today Kilos | 19:36 |
| Kilos | the one i gave 7 lines up?? | 19:36 |
| Kilos | today??? | 19:36 |
| kbmonkey | no, 8 lines up... ;) | 19:37 |
| kbmonkey | no wait, 9 | 19:37 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:37 |
| Kilos | ok thats the one i got but inetpro and ian now got the other one | 19:37 |
| Kilos | Maaz, forget lpi manual | 19:37 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Yessir | 19:37 |
| kbmonkey | which other one?? | 19:38 |
| Kilos | Maaz, lpi manual is <reply> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual | 19:38 |
| Maaz | Kilos: If you say so | 19:38 |
| Kilos | http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf | 19:38 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, ^^2 | 19:38 |
| kbmonkey | that is the latest one | 19:38 |
| kbmonkey | i have that one too | 19:38 |
| Kilos | whew which one is the latest one now | 19:39 |
| kbmonkey | lol Kilos \ | 19:39 |
| kbmonkey | you are confused :D | 19:39 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:39 |
| kbmonkey | both those urls point to the same stuff | 19:39 |
| kbmonkey | the one is just a direct link to a file | 19:39 |
| Kilos | the bot must have the right one | 19:39 |
| kbmonkey | the other lists all the files | 19:39 |
| kbmonkey | you made aaz right now, thats perfect! | 19:39 |
| kbmonkey | maaz | 19:39 |
| Kilos | oh so which one is best for maaz to remember | 19:39 |
| kbmonkey | as is you set it now | 19:40 |
| * kbmonkey losing grammar and comprehension quickly | 19:40 | |
| Kilos | without the pdf bit? | 19:40 |
| kbmonkey | yes | 19:40 |
| kbmonkey | becauwse think | 19:40 |
| kbmonkey | oops | 19:40 |
| Kilos | you onna bottle again | 19:40 |
| kbmonkey | because think if they say update the manual, and release v_1.0 | 19:40 |
| kbmonkey | then that direct link will only pull the old one | 19:41 |
| Kilos | oh clever kid | 19:41 |
| kbmonkey | but with the file list people will always see the latest. understand? | 19:41 |
| Kilos | blow your nose and go to the top of the class | 19:41 |
| kbmonkey | no bottle Kilos he he | 19:41 |
| Kilos | hehe\ | 19:41 |
| kbmonkey | thats a trick you only pick up with experience | 19:41 |
| Kilos | i dont browse so dont see all them things | 19:42 |
| Kilos | but had a good night tonight, can use fdisk a bit now ty | 19:42 |
| kbmonkey | good :) | 19:42 |
| kbmonkey | okay, for practice here's a good tip: | 19:43 |
| kbmonkey | you can fdisk to a file, to practice partitioning | 19:45 |
| kbmonkey | looks like you have it under control there general | 19:46 |
| Kilos | you mean resizing etc | 19:47 |
| Kilos | doesnt centos have gparted | 19:47 |
| kbmonkey | not sure, most likely it does | 19:47 |
| kbmonkey | but to understand this, we learn to use the text tools | 19:47 |
| Kilos | and i havent looked at parted yet | 19:48 |
| Kilos | is parted a text tool | 19:48 |
| kbmonkey | because if you have to install a server over ssh, through a terminal, you cant use gui apps :) | 19:48 |
| kbmonkey | also, live gui installs are still a new thing compared to how it has been done before | 19:48 |
| Kilos | thats why i want centos so i can do this whole course | 19:48 |
| Kilos | lo WOLFEYES | 19:49 |
| WOLFEYES | evening all | 19:49 |
| WOLFEYES | heya Kilos | 19:49 |
| kbmonkey | you could very well follow with ubuntu too, the principals are the same | 19:49 |
| kbmonkey | hi WOLFEYES | 19:49 |
| WOLFEYES | heya kbmonkey | 19:49 |
| Kilos | i cant work on principles till i get something lodged inna skull | 19:50 |
| kbmonkey | okay :] | 19:50 |
| Kilos | you forget half my brain leaked out onna farm in rustenburg 10 years ago | 19:51 |
| Kilos | WOLFEYES, you understanding the manual so far?? | 19:53 |
| WOLFEYES | yeah I am just trying to get the terminology stuck in there. | 19:53 |
| kbmonkey | okay Kilos ha ha. | 19:54 |
| Kilos | yeah i also battled with lotsa stuff | 19:54 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, didnt you ever read my blog?? | 19:54 |
| WOLFEYES | I haven't loaded a computer with linux yet so I have a lot to do before tuesday | 19:54 |
| kbmonkey | pretty much had a chemical labotomy myself. hit and miss with what i remember | 19:54 |
| kbmonkey | yes! i must go finish reading! | 19:54 |
| Kilos | its gone | 19:54 |
| kbmonkey | i dont surf too much hey | 19:55 |
| Kilos | no more blog there | 19:55 |
| kbmonkey | why? | 19:55 |
| kbmonkey | :( | 19:55 |
| kbmonkey | what happened | 19:55 |
| Kilos | was info there that could harm tara | 19:55 |
| Kilos | via the media | 19:55 |
| kbmonkey | oh yes | 19:55 |
| kbmonkey | you should write it into a story book | 19:55 |
| Kilos | i got it all saved here si i can either edit it and remove all her info or reblog it when she has become famous the the media vant do zilch | 19:56 |
| Kilos | whew scuse the typos | 19:57 |
| Kilos | i got a big project for you kbmonkey when you got time | 19:58 |
| Kilos | or maybe just the info will help me to do it myself | 20:00 |
| kbmonkey | i could help you? | 20:00 |
| Kilos | i wanna set up my p3 as a server if i can get maverick server edition | 20:01 |
| Kilos | then i wann know how to make this pc see that as the place to go for updates and upgrades | 20:01 |
| Kilos | no go online for updates | 20:02 |
| Kilos | i need to keep maverick alive when support drops away | 20:02 |
| Kilos | and if you cant get updates the os doesnt know what to do after a clean install | 20:03 |
| Kilos | does that sound stupid?? | 20:03 |
| Kilos | or is it possible to use an external connected to my machine as a server and tell my os to do updates and upgrades from it | 20:05 |
| Kilos | nother thing. runlevels are what is actually happening in your machine all the time hey? | 20:07 |
| kbmonkey | well, you can update from another computer like you said, a server | 20:07 |
| kbmonkey | but you can also update from an external | 20:07 |
| Kilos | changing will make it shutdown or reboot or got from single user to multiuser, is that correct | 20:07 |
| kbmonkey | a server is useful for small networks with a few computers | 20:08 |
| kbmonkey | but for only one or 2 pc's, if you have the repo archives on external, that will also do | 20:08 |
| Kilos | yeah but can i then say sudo apt-get update and it will update from my external | 20:08 |
| kbmonkey | yes that is right! | 20:08 |
| Kilos | yay so i understand runlevels too now | 20:08 |
| kbmonkey | yes, if you configure and tell apt where to look for updates (by default online) | 20:09 |
| Kilos | WOLFEYES, you here still | 20:09 |
| WOLFEYES | yes | 20:09 |
| kbmonkey | the updates are just files. they are found online, but if you have them on disc, or external, or cd, or even another of your computers... | 20:09 |
| kbmonkey | you can tell apt to look there first :) | 20:09 |
| Kilos | need you to take the external next time and get the full maverick repo | 20:10 |
| WOLFEYES | ok | 20:10 |
| Kilos | thats good kbmonkey as long as i can tell apt where to go then i can keep maverick alive forever here | 20:10 |
| kbmonkey | if you have the full repo, you can also install any program withou internet | 20:10 |
| kbmonkey | because all the programs are saved in the repos | 20:11 |
| Kilos | i was getting worried because maverick loses support in 2 months time | 20:11 |
| Kilos | yeah but doing it via gdebi is a massive job | 20:11 |
| kbmonkey | on the other hand, its probably a very stable OS because it's been used for so long, and all the updates to it have fixed many things | 20:11 |
| Kilos | if synaptic and software centre can use the repo then i am smiling | 20:12 |
| Kilos | if i get to aus i will then have a better pc that can handle unity so then i can follow ubuntu upgrades but not from here | 20:13 |
| kbmonkey | its funny how when you struggle with internet, you actually learn so much more about pc's | 20:14 |
| WOLFEYES | lol | 20:14 |
| kbmonkey | when your internet just works and you never have problems, you dont learn how to do all these tings | 20:15 |
| WOLFEYES | Nodz | 20:15 |
| * WOLFEYES remembers Karmic and fixing that with the help of the amazing guys here :-) | 20:15 | |
| Kilos | dunno what zeref does or did with a p2 | 20:16 |
| Kilos | if i can tell apt to use my external for every thing i will be a happy chappy | 20:17 |
| Kilos | only ian only visits every 4 months or so | 20:17 |
| WOLFEYES | :-P | 20:18 |
| Kilos | and we need the full repo before maverick expires | 20:18 |
| kbmonkey | sure you will still get it for a while after its gone | 20:19 |
| Kilos | thats all i find fault with in ubuntu. if your pc cant handle unity you stuffed without being able to have your own repos on external | 20:21 |
| Tonberry | xubuntu or lubuntu? | 20:21 |
| Tonberry | not exactly old gnome | 20:21 |
| Tonberry | but close | 20:22 |
| Kilos | i have looked at xubuntu Tonberry and much harder for me to use having got gnome inna head | 20:22 |
| kbmonkey | stick with gnome if you know it Kilos | 20:23 |
| Kilos | dont like only one panel at the top and other stuff down the left | 20:23 |
| kbmonkey | i feel the same hey, i understand unity's reason, but its not for me | 20:23 |
| kbmonkey | but i hear that the'classic' style is not the same as normal? | 20:24 |
| kbmonkey | is that true? | 20:24 |
| Kilos | i tried classic in 11.04 and lots of things didnt work and kept crashing thats why i went back to maverick | 20:25 |
| Kilos | it looked the same though | 20:25 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, what you know about win7 | 20:25 |
| Kilos | can ian make a virtual drive for centos | 20:26 |
| kbmonkey | im pretty behind on the latest ubuntu's. | 20:26 |
| kbmonkey | you can | 20:26 |
| Kilos | WOLFEYES, ^^ | 20:27 |
| WOLFEYES | nodz | 20:27 |
| Kilos | nstall centos in a virtual drive | 20:27 |
| Kilos | install too | 20:27 |
| Kilos | head thumping now | 20:27 |
| kbmonkey | why, do you have win7 there? | 20:28 |
| WOLFEYES | I work with it on a daily basis | 20:29 |
| Kilos | he uses win7 for work kbmonkey | 20:29 |
| Kilos | lol | 20:29 |
| kbmonkey | virtualpc was bought out by microsoft, and integrated into win7 | 20:29 |
| Kilos | all the fingerprint scanners software works with windows | 20:30 |
| kbmonkey | but its sucky because the removed some essential functionality | 20:30 |
| kbmonkey | you can also use vmware player to run a virtual pc | 20:30 |
| kbmonkey | so yes you can run centOS using virtualization :) | 20:30 |
| Kilos | there you go WOLFEYES | 20:31 |
| WOLFEYES | nodz | 20:31 |
| Kilos | im actually excited about this course, maybe i can remember enough to write the exam | 20:33 |
| kbmonkey | Kilos I found on lpi website | 20:35 |
| kbmonkey | they have online, practice exams we can take :) | 20:35 |
| kbmonkey | free of course | 20:35 |
| kbmonkey | just to test how much you learned. | 20:35 |
| Kilos | yay | 20:35 |
| Kilos | thats wonderful | 20:35 |
| WOLFEYES | lol | 20:36 |
| kbmonkey | WOLFEYES you can see how at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/virtualbox | 20:36 |
| WOLFEYES | ty | 20:36 |
| kbmonkey | its for ubuntu, but will work for any linux the same :) | 20:36 |
| Kilos | one of the new guys wants the info on where exams can be written, im not sure if its the jhb guy or the netherlands guy | 20:36 |
| kbmonkey | I think any Comptia approved center will do | 20:37 |
| kbmonkey | Comptia is where you write your PC tests online | 20:37 |
| Kilos | kbmonkey, dont forget to advertise the classes on the main ubuntu lists as well | 20:38 |
| Kilos | dont tell me kbmonkey i have never heard of comptia | 20:38 |
| kbmonkey | im just saying :) | 20:38 |
| Kilos | if i can learn enough i will try go with one of the locals | 20:38 |
| Kilos | lol | 20:38 |
| Kilos | if the whole course works as well as the fdisk part then there is hope | 20:39 |
| Kilos | had to work through the runtimes about 6 times before i twigged what runtimes actually were | 20:40 |
| kbmonkey | its not just you Kilos, I feel that it reads a bit difficult even for me | 20:40 |
| Kilos | one of my questions for tuesday night was why do you wanna change runtimes | 20:40 |
| kbmonkey | and from soemone who knows runlevels lol! | 20:40 |
| kbmonkey | good question! | 20:41 |
| Kilos | oh ya runlevels | 20:41 |
| kbmonkey | its time for me to runtime now ;) | 20:41 |
| Kilos | but now i understand them mostly | 20:41 |
| WOLFEYES | lol | 20:41 |
| Kilos | linux geek language and english are a bit different | 20:42 |
| kbmonkey | yes, all this terms and names can get confusing if you dont know them | 20:42 |
| Kilos | lol | 20:42 |
| kbmonkey | the onlything that makes you remember, is to use them over and over. | 20:42 |
| Kilos | yeah looks like, thats why i wanna get centOS | 20:43 |
| Kilos | but | 20:43 |
| Kilos | but | 20:43 |
| kbmonkey | i've already gone through the chapters beyond our Q&A | 20:43 |
| Kilos | one wont need to do fdisk for partitions with ubuntu because the part manager in advanced does a great job | 20:44 |
| kbmonkey | he he yes | 20:44 |
| kbmonkey | centOS does not have a gui installer though ;) | 20:44 |
| Kilos | is it all text? | 20:44 |
| kbmonkey | as doesnt many of the server nixes | 20:44 |
| Kilos | whew | 20:44 |
| Kilos | no x goodie | 20:45 |
| kbmonkey | just the installer. centOS runs Gnome and looks just like Maverick, actually | 20:45 |
| Kilos | og then its ok | 20:45 |
| kbmonkey | so you will know it well, I think you will do well with it | 20:45 |
| Kilos | i think this pc wont do gnome 3 if it cant do ubity | 20:45 |
| kbmonkey | I don't think centOS uses Gnome 3 | 20:46 |
| Kilos | but plain gnome is lekker | 20:46 |
| Kilos | only the fly and prokid wont enjoy | 20:46 |
| kbmonkey | CentOS is chosen for lpi, because it only uses older, but tested and stable softwares | 20:46 |
| Kilos | gnome2 is good | 20:46 |
| Kilos | does one have to know the redhat applications as well? | 20:47 |
| Kilos | terminology | 20:48 |
| kbmonkey | its part of the manual | 20:49 |
| kbmonkey | they talk about rpm and deb package managers | 20:49 |
| kbmonkey | i haven't used rpm in yonks | 20:49 |
| kbmonkey | its not much different | 20:49 |
| kbmonkey | a little, but the ideas are the same | 20:49 |
| Kilos | only good thing there is YUM | 20:49 |
| Kilos | sounds good to eat | 20:50 |
| kbmonkey | I don't know YUM | 20:50 |
| kbmonkey | it does! | 20:50 |
| Kilos | lol | 20:50 |
| * Kilos thinks yum is like dpkg | 20:50 | |
| kbmonkey | wow Kilos you do know a lot more than you lead on! | 20:51 |
| kbmonkey | they also talk about alien, which is a little tool to convert rpm files into debs | 20:51 |
| kbmonkey | alien, lol | 20:51 |
| kbmonkey | i love Linux names for things | 20:51 |
| kbmonkey | I read a really funny line the other day, must remember where. it was in source code, geek humor | 20:52 |
| Kilos | i have used alien in here | 20:52 |
| Kilos | works kiff | 20:52 |
| Kilos | tell | 20:53 |
| kbmonkey | well gn Kilos and WOLFEYES | 20:56 |
| kbmonkey | sleep tight | 20:56 |
| Kilos | night kbmonkey sleep tight and ty again | 20:56 |
| WOLFEYES | night kbmonkey and ty | 20:57 |
| kbmonkey | ty both! | 20:58 |
| WOLFEYES | night all | 21:03 |
| Kilos | night guys sleep tight. see you all tomorrow | 21:04 |
| Kilos | superfly, soory to worry you, are you still up? | 21:44 |
| Kilos | sorry too | 21:44 |
| superfly | I am, what's up? | 21:44 |
| Kilos | is it possible to make a google site with picks on that are for sale but cant be just stolen | 21:45 |
| superfly | Kilos: no | 21:45 |
| superfly | you need an e-commerce system | 21:45 |
| Kilos | oh my | 21:45 |
| Kilos | she wont understand that | 21:46 |
| superfly | well, I guess you can, as long as you resize the pics down to a size that is useless to buy | 21:46 |
| superfly | *copy | 21:46 |
| superfly | Kilos: the internet is free reign. if you can see it, you can download it | 21:46 |
| Kilos | she works in the kruger park but does drawings and adds animals and stuff in | 21:46 |
| Kilos | ians idea was to put writing on them that makes then useless to anyone else | 21:47 |
| superfly | that too | 21:48 |
| Kilos | i forget the place you told me to send picks to | 21:48 |
| superfly | imageshack.us ? | 21:48 |
| Kilos | ah i will send one she made for me so you can see | 21:48 |
| superfly | Kilos: you can also e-mail it to me if you want | 21:49 |
| Kilos | thats better maybe | 21:49 |
| Kilos | on its way | 21:54 |
| Kilos | lol i think she calls them fantasy cards with an african flavour | 21:57 |
| Kilos | you got it superfly ? | 22:00 |
| superfly | I did | 22:00 |
| Kilos | good. then i can go sleep now | 22:01 |
| Kilos | sleep tight | 22:01 |
| superfly | :-) | 22:01 |
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