[08:23] * Kilos greets everyone [08:24] * Squirm greets Kilos [08:24] lol, lo Squirm [08:26] Squirm, are you still a mxit expert? [08:27] i have a friend that would like to market her unique valentine cards on mxchange [08:28] they dont have a valentines section and she dunno how to go further [08:29] she makes all kinda cards with a wildlife flavour and her own drawings [08:34] Kilos: I have no idea. All I do on mxit it talk to like 2 people. Tradepost, etc annoys me :/ [08:35] ah ty Squirm they have added the mxchange to buy and sell stuff too. and being worldwide would be a good marketing tool i think [08:52] hi psydroid [09:00] hi Kilos [09:00] hi Squirm [09:00] hi everyone [09:01] hows things in the netherlands [09:01] Kilos: I find it could chase casual people, like me, away [09:02] * Squirm looks at vehicle finance [09:02] scary [09:02] ah [09:05] morning superfly [09:06] hello psydroid [09:06] morning Kilos [09:26] bbl [17:38] . [17:38] lo inetpro [17:39] welcome to ubuntu-za [17:39] heh Kilos, thanks [17:39] Kilos: what did I miss? [17:39] dont forget lpi classes tuesday night hey? [17:40] * inetpro gives up reading the backlogs [17:40] nothing , been quiet every time i looked in [17:40] lol theres nothing to read [17:41] I haven't read since Friday some time [17:41] ah then there was some the other night [17:41] we chatted spanne [17:42] * inetpro 's body is hurting and tired [17:42] what happened now again. you fall off the bike again [17:42] the teens made me chase them up and down a hiking trail on the Magaliesberg [17:42] lol [17:43] if you sore now you gonna be worse inna morning [17:43] eish, I'm afraid [17:43] hehe [17:44] its ok a quick 3k jog will sort it [17:44] yikes [17:44] hahaha [17:44] exercise is not a geeky thing hey [17:45] hey whats news from corrie [17:45] he still ok [17:45] ? [17:46] i forget those things, tara always moans [17:47] xfactor mailed her yesterday and invited her to the next one. starting from round three [17:47] so she is smiling again [17:57] Kilos: that's great news [17:58] I need to blog about the Ubuntu Hour [17:59] yeah so we start hoping again hey superfly . she has been trying for 6 or 7 years to get her carrear going [17:59] was it good superfly [17:59] Kilos: Yes, we had about 8 people there [17:59] great [18:00] well done, this is your first one hey [18:12] ya [18:19] lo apie [18:20] hello! [18:20] how goes it? [18:20] so so and you? [18:22] someone should tell the lpi peeps there is a thing called gparted [18:22] lol [18:23] finding the text partitioner difficult?? [18:23] it lies to me [18:23] how so? [18:24] first it complains about dos something then says go c then u the its sectors [18:24] then add a partition [18:24] nothing about if you want it boot or root or home or swap or nothing [18:24] correct [18:25] then try add another partition and it says no free sectors available [18:25] grrr [18:25] those you choose during the linux installation. [18:25] oh [18:25] what disk are you partitioning Kilos? [18:25] 6g as sdb [18:26] it probably has partitions on already, so there is no free space to partition [18:26] its clean [18:26] i cleaned it [18:26] it now fat32 thing [18:26] grrr [18:26] oh ah ha [18:26] didnt ask if i want ext 3 or 4 or niks [18:27] then i looked man fdisk [18:27] talks about cfdisk and sfdisk and other stuff i dont unnerstand [18:27] are you following that manual? [18:28] but 6g i think is too small to part anyway [18:28] ya [18:28] not at all :) [18:28] you can part a 100MB disk ha ha [18:28] lol [18:28] okay here's what you do [18:28] thats too small for boot even [18:29] in fdisk you can press 'm' to see help [18:29] dont you wanna do it on tues night so everyone is there [18:29] done that [18:29] press 'p' to print the current partitions. [18:29] it sounds like you cleaned your 6g disk okay [18:29] /dev/sdb1 * 2048 12593151 6295552 b W95 FAT32 [18:29] then you added a partition, by default it sizes to fit the entire free space [18:30] so you took all the space on one partition, leaving no room for making any others [18:30] press 'd' to delete it, and add it again [18:30] and when they ask your size, you have to type in how big you want it [18:30] there is no choice for how big you want it [18:30] it doesnt ask size [18:31] it does [18:31] i know fdisk backwards ;) [18:31] ok deleted [18:31] start at the beginning i cant work backwards [18:31] hehe [18:31] 'n' to add new. choose [p]rimary partition. partitionno [1]. First sector default [enter] [18:32] then it asks "Last Sector" [18:32] that is your size [18:32] to make it 500 MB, enter +500M [18:32] wait [18:32] to make it 1 Gigabyte, enter +1G [18:33] n asks (1-4) [18:33] i went 1 [18:33] before [18:33] if its the first one you making, choose 1 [18:33] i find it helpful to write on paper how many partitions i want, and how big each [18:34] wait [18:34] partitions are like pizza slices. all together they make a whole pizza, err disk. [18:34] * Tonberry is far too much of a gparted fan [18:34] where it says First sector (2048-12594959, default 2048): [18:34] default [18:34] thats where i enter size [18:34] no [18:35] the start always default [18:36] ok i must enter the default [18:36] ? [18:36] yes :] [18:37] oh and enter size after the last sector [18:37] Tonberry, i agree [18:38] i like gparted too. used it plenty [18:38] yes, the last sector is where your partition space Ends [18:38] stupid thing complained about 500M wanted 500 MB [18:39] so you tell fdisk to make a part that starts here and ends here [18:39] you have to prefix the value with + [18:39] +500M [18:39] ok so now is there a 500m part for boot? [18:39] press p [18:39] where does part1 end? [18:40] 2548? [18:40] /dev/sdb1 2048 978610 488281+ [18:40] that looks right :) [18:40] yay [18:40] now you can make the second one [18:41] i know fdisk is low-level, but good reason we use it [18:41] for root hey [18:41] so #1 is you boot [18:41] yes make one for /root [18:42] root uses lotsa space [18:42] had a /root on 80g once of 5g and it got full quick [18:43] also now are we gonna make root a primary or extended partition [18:43] how many partitions do you want in total? [18:43] if you want 4 or less, make them all primary [18:44] ok [18:45] root and home of over 2g? [18:45] i just realized you can force gaps between partitions, making 'hidden space' to store hidden documents [18:45] lol [18:45] boot wont ever use all that space hey [18:46] my boot only takes 20Megs [18:46] so why we made that first part 500MB [18:46] what are you going to install? centos? [18:47] no it's okay, its for practice and study so any value they say is fine :) [18:48] i wanna see if i can ask someone to download it and post it to me [18:48] but i am learning this fdisk now [18:48] pm me your address :) [18:54] this one example makes /boot 15 megs. lol [18:54] LOL [18:54] HOW BIG IS THE CENTOS BOOT [18:54] EISH [18:54] sorry [18:54] ouch my ears! [18:55] im not sure myself [18:55] lets see [18:55] for this text, 500 is fine [18:55] lol [18:55] shithead [18:55] sorry [18:56] bwha ha ha [18:56] ok now suggest size for /root [18:56] stick and stones may break my bones, but fdisk and shells excite me [18:56] 2g? [18:56] lol [18:57] swap 500M [18:57] oops. [18:57] im not gonna be doing any updates or going online with centos i think, just want to work through the course with it so i can unnerstand where they coming from [18:58] boot 500M [18:58] root 3 [18:58] swap 500M [18:58] home 2G [18:58] i'd do that [18:58] since my centos is virtual, ill also make my disk 6g [19:00] Last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G} (1955174-12594959, default 12594959): 3000GB [19:00] Value out of range. [19:00] grrr [19:00] whoa that's a big partition! [19:00] oh should be MB [19:00] you mean +3G [19:00] Maaz: coffee on [19:01] see the line says: +size{K,M,G} [19:01] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [19:01] +size{K,M,G} [19:01] +3{K,M,G} [19:01] +3G [19:01] "] [19:01] don't ask me why you have to put a + [19:02] Maaz coffee [19:02] kbmonkey: What? [19:02] Maaz give me your strongest cup of coffee! [19:02] kbmonkey: Excuse me? [19:02] lol Maaz coffee please [19:02] eish [19:02] Maaz, coffee please [19:02] Kilos: Alrighty [19:02] Maaz coffee please, black [19:02] kbmonkey: Huh? [19:02] oh well :) [19:03] it said again the last 2G was outa range so i just entered and i think it used whatever was left on the disk [19:03] now i think i understand this fdisk better [19:04] ty kbmonkey [19:04] i go gparted to see what i got [19:04] oh i forgot p [19:04] works kiff [19:04] /dev/sdb1 2048 978610 488281+ 83 Linux [19:04] /dev/sdb2 978611 1955173 488281+ 83 Linux [19:04] /dev/sdb3 1955174 7814548 2929687+ 83 Linux [19:04] /dev/sdb4 7814549 12594959 2390205+ 83 Linux [19:04] Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos! [19:05] Maaz, ty [19:05] You are welcome Kilos [19:05] Maaz: dankie [19:05] Groot plesier inetpro my vriend [19:05] so gparted shows the sizes okay? good good [19:06] yes I dont know why fdisk doesnt show sizes [19:06] this was with fdisk p [19:06] just p in command and it showed that [19:06] i know, but you said you go gparted to see what you got [19:06] works lekker [19:07] good :) [19:07] i mean, when you done, you press 'w' to write the changes [19:07] then i said oh i forgot p so i p'ed first [19:07] hehe [19:07] then you can use gparted to just double-check the sizes, you know, to see if you got them right [19:09] it made the 500m ones 476.84 [19:09] close enough [19:09] and the 3g 2.79G [19:10] and the last one [19:10] some good docs on partitions http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/fdisk_partitioning.html [19:10] 2.28g [19:10] ok will wget that ty laddy [19:10] so fdisk worked [19:11] heck the home doesnt even need to be large. its a test system we wont be saving any music or docs or much else in home [19:11] no its for this course thats all [19:18] the lpi manual says boot can be 100M to 250M big [19:19] yeah but 500m is ok [19:19] yes [19:20] fdisk work well i think [19:21] quicker and simpler than ms fdisk once you know how to use it [19:22] kbmonkey, is that manual link with pdf different to the one i gave [19:23] let me check.. [19:23] the pdf name says v_09 [19:26] i gave Maaz the one inetpro asked about instead of the one i told him to use [19:26] now not sure if they same [19:27] huh? [19:28] remember inetpro i gave you the manual link and you asked kb if it was the one that ended pdf [19:29] Kilos: I got http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf [19:29] ya inetpro but thats not the same as i gave you [19:29] that's the one [19:29] or had given maaz [19:30] * inetpro go sleep [19:30] i didnt get this one [19:30] nag inetpro lekker slapp [19:30] draf inna oggend [19:32] kbmonkey, i went to find it again in studies [19:32] this is the one i have [19:32] http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual [19:34] that points to the same pdf in the first link [19:34] but use this one instead, it's better if they update the manual again [19:35] use which one [19:36] tis latest one [19:36] sorry, my brain is very bad today Kilos [19:36] the one i gave 7 lines up?? [19:36] today??? [19:37] no, 8 lines up... ;) [19:37] no wait, 9 [19:37] lol [19:37] ok thats the one i got but inetpro and ian now got the other one [19:37] Maaz, forget lpi manual [19:37] Kilos: Yessir [19:38] which other one?? [19:38] Maaz, lpi manual is http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual [19:38] Kilos: If you say so [19:38] http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf [19:38] kbmonkey, ^^2 [19:38] that is the latest one [19:38] i have that one too [19:39] whew which one is the latest one now [19:39] lol Kilos \ [19:39] you are confused :D [19:39] lol [19:39] both those urls point to the same stuff [19:39] the one is just a direct link to a file [19:39] the bot must have the right one [19:39] the other lists all the files [19:39] you made aaz right now, thats perfect! [19:39] maaz [19:39] oh so which one is best for maaz to remember [19:40] as is you set it now [19:40] * kbmonkey losing grammar and comprehension quickly [19:40] without the pdf bit? [19:40] yes [19:40] becauwse think [19:40] oops [19:40] you onna bottle again [19:40] because think if they say update the manual, and release v_1.0 [19:41] then that direct link will only pull the old one [19:41] oh clever kid [19:41] but with the file list people will always see the latest. understand? [19:41] blow your nose and go to the top of the class [19:41] no bottle Kilos he he [19:41] hehe\ [19:41] thats a trick you only pick up with experience [19:42] i dont browse so dont see all them things [19:42] but had a good night tonight, can use fdisk a bit now ty [19:42] good :) [19:43] okay, for practice here's a good tip: [19:45] you can fdisk to a file, to practice partitioning [19:46] looks like you have it under control there general [19:47] you mean resizing etc [19:47] doesnt centos have gparted [19:47] not sure, most likely it does [19:47] but to understand this, we learn to use the text tools [19:48] and i havent looked at parted yet [19:48] is parted a text tool [19:48] because if you have to install a server over ssh, through a terminal, you cant use gui apps :) [19:48] also, live gui installs are still a new thing compared to how it has been done before [19:48] thats why i want centos so i can do this whole course [19:49] lo WOLFEYES [19:49] evening all [19:49] heya Kilos [19:49] you could very well follow with ubuntu too, the principals are the same [19:49] hi WOLFEYES [19:49] heya kbmonkey [19:50] i cant work on principles till i get something lodged inna skull [19:50] okay :] [19:51] you forget half my brain leaked out onna farm in rustenburg 10 years ago [19:53] WOLFEYES, you understanding the manual so far?? [19:53] yeah I am just trying to get the terminology stuck in there. [19:54] okay Kilos ha ha. [19:54] yeah i also battled with lotsa stuff [19:54] kbmonkey, didnt you ever read my blog?? [19:54] I haven't loaded a computer with linux yet so I have a lot to do before tuesday [19:54] pretty much had a chemical labotomy myself. hit and miss with what i remember [19:54] yes! i must go finish reading! [19:54] its gone [19:55] i dont surf too much hey [19:55] no more blog there [19:55] why? [19:55] :( [19:55] what happened [19:55] was info there that could harm tara [19:55] via the media [19:55] oh yes [19:55] you should write it into a story book [19:56] i got it all saved here si i can either edit it and remove all her info or reblog it when she has become famous the the media vant do zilch [19:57] whew scuse the typos [19:58] i got a big project for you kbmonkey when you got time [20:00] or maybe just the info will help me to do it myself [20:00] i could help you? [20:01] i wanna set up my p3 as a server if i can get maverick server edition [20:01] then i wann know how to make this pc see that as the place to go for updates and upgrades [20:02] no go online for updates [20:02] i need to keep maverick alive when support drops away [20:03] and if you cant get updates the os doesnt know what to do after a clean install [20:03] does that sound stupid?? [20:05] or is it possible to use an external connected to my machine as a server and tell my os to do updates and upgrades from it [20:07] nother thing. runlevels are what is actually happening in your machine all the time hey? [20:07] well, you can update from another computer like you said, a server [20:07] but you can also update from an external [20:07] changing will make it shutdown or reboot or got from single user to multiuser, is that correct [20:08] a server is useful for small networks with a few computers [20:08] but for only one or 2 pc's, if you have the repo archives on external, that will also do [20:08] yeah but can i then say sudo apt-get update and it will update from my external [20:08] yes that is right! [20:08] yay so i understand runlevels too now [20:09] yes, if you configure and tell apt where to look for updates (by default online) [20:09] WOLFEYES, you here still [20:09] yes [20:09] the updates are just files. they are found online, but if you have them on disc, or external, or cd, or even another of your computers... [20:09] you can tell apt to look there first :) [20:10] need you to take the external next time and get the full maverick repo [20:10] ok [20:10] thats good kbmonkey as long as i can tell apt where to go then i can keep maverick alive forever here [20:10] if you have the full repo, you can also install any program withou internet [20:11] because all the programs are saved in the repos [20:11] i was getting worried because maverick loses support in 2 months time [20:11] yeah but doing it via gdebi is a massive job [20:11] on the other hand, its probably a very stable OS because it's been used for so long, and all the updates to it have fixed many things [20:12] if synaptic and software centre can use the repo then i am smiling [20:13] if i get to aus i will then have a better pc that can handle unity so then i can follow ubuntu upgrades but not from here [20:14] its funny how when you struggle with internet, you actually learn so much more about pc's [20:14] lol [20:15] when your internet just works and you never have problems, you dont learn how to do all these tings [20:15]