[08:23]  * Kilos greets everyone
[08:24]  * Squirm greets Kilos
[08:24] <Kilos> lol, lo Squirm 
[08:26] <Kilos> Squirm, are you still a mxit expert?
[08:27] <Kilos> i have a friend that would like to market her unique valentine cards on mxchange
[08:28] <Kilos> they dont have a valentines section and she dunno how to go further
[08:29] <Kilos> she makes all kinda cards with a wildlife flavour and her own drawings
[08:34] <Squirm> Kilos: I have no idea. All I do on mxit it talk to like 2 people.  Tradepost, etc annoys me :/
[08:35] <Kilos> ah ty Squirm they have added the mxchange to buy and sell stuff too. and being worldwide would be a good marketing tool i think
[08:52] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[09:00] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[09:00] <psydroid> hi Squirm
[09:00] <psydroid> hi everyone
[09:01] <Kilos> hows things in the netherlands
[09:01] <Squirm> Kilos: I find it could chase casual people, like me, away
[09:02]  * Squirm looks at vehicle finance
[09:02] <Squirm> scary
[09:02] <Kilos> ah
[09:05] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[09:06] <Squirm> hello psydroid
[09:06] <superfly> morning Kilos
[09:26] <Kilos> bbl
[17:38] <inetpro> .
[17:38] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[17:39] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:39] <inetpro> heh Kilos, thanks
[17:39] <inetpro> Kilos: what did I miss?
[17:39] <Kilos> dont forget lpi classes tuesday night hey?
[17:40]  * inetpro gives up reading the backlogs
[17:40] <Kilos> nothing , been quiet every time i looked in
[17:40] <Kilos> lol theres nothing to read
[17:41] <inetpro> I haven't read since Friday some time
[17:41] <Kilos> ah then there was some the other night
[17:41] <Kilos> we chatted spanne
[17:42]  * inetpro 's body is hurting and tired
[17:42] <Kilos> what happened now again. you fall off the bike again
[17:42] <inetpro> the teens made me chase them up and down a hiking trail on the Magaliesberg
[17:42] <Kilos> lol
[17:43] <Kilos> if you sore now you gonna be worse inna morning
[17:43] <inetpro> eish, I'm afraid 
[17:43] <Kilos> hehe
[17:44] <Kilos> its ok a quick 3k jog will sort it
[17:44] <inetpro> yikes
[17:44] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:44] <Kilos> exercise is not a geeky thing hey
[17:45] <Kilos> hey whats news from corrie
[17:45] <Kilos> he still ok
[17:45] <Kilos> ?
[17:46] <Kilos> i forget those things, tara always moans
[17:47] <Kilos> xfactor mailed her yesterday and invited her to the next one. starting from round three
[17:47] <Kilos> so she is smiling again
[17:57] <superfly> Kilos: that's great news
[17:58] <superfly> I need to blog about the Ubuntu Hour
[17:59] <Kilos> yeah so we start hoping again hey superfly . she has been trying for 6 or 7 years to get her carrear going
[17:59] <Kilos> was it good superfly 
[17:59] <superfly> Kilos: Yes, we had about 8 people there
[17:59] <Kilos> great
[18:00] <Kilos> well done, this is your first one hey
[18:12] <superfly> ya
[18:19] <Kilos> lo apie
[18:20] <kbmonkey> hello!
[18:20] <kbmonkey> how goes it?
[18:20] <Kilos> so so and you?
[18:22] <Kilos> someone should tell the lpi peeps there is a thing called gparted
[18:22] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:23] <kbmonkey> finding the text partitioner difficult??
[18:23] <Kilos> it lies to me
[18:23] <kbmonkey> how so?
[18:24] <Kilos> first it complains about dos something then says go c then u the its sectors
[18:24] <Kilos> then add a partition
[18:24] <Kilos> nothing about if you want it boot or root or home or swap or nothing
[18:24] <kbmonkey> correct
[18:25] <Kilos> then try add another partition and it says no free sectors available
[18:25] <Kilos> grrr
[18:25] <kbmonkey> those you choose during the linux installation.
[18:25] <Kilos> oh
[18:25] <kbmonkey> what disk are you partitioning Kilos?
[18:25] <Kilos> 6g as sdb
[18:26] <kbmonkey> it probably has partitions on already, so there is no free space to partition
[18:26] <Kilos> its clean 
[18:26] <Kilos> i cleaned it
[18:26] <Kilos> it now fat32 thing
[18:26] <Kilos> grrr
[18:26] <kbmonkey> oh ah ha
[18:26] <Kilos> didnt ask if i want ext 3 or 4 or niks
[18:27] <Kilos> then i looked man fdisk
[18:27] <Kilos> talks about cfdisk and sfdisk and other stuff i dont unnerstand
[18:27] <kbmonkey> are you following that manual?
[18:28] <Kilos> but 6g i think is too small to part anyway
[18:28] <Kilos> ya
[18:28] <kbmonkey> not at all :)
[18:28] <kbmonkey> you can part a 100MB disk ha ha
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <kbmonkey> okay here's what you do
[18:28] <Kilos> thats too small for boot even
[18:29] <kbmonkey> in fdisk you can press 'm' to see help
[18:29] <Kilos> dont you wanna do it on tues night so everyone is there
[18:29] <Kilos> done that
[18:29] <kbmonkey> press 'p' to print the current partitions.
[18:29] <kbmonkey> it sounds like you cleaned your 6g disk okay
[18:29] <Kilos> /dev/sdb1   *        2048    12593151     6295552    b  W95 FAT32
[18:29] <kbmonkey> then you added a partition, by default it sizes to fit the entire free space
[18:30] <kbmonkey> so you took all the space on one partition, leaving no room for making any others
[18:30] <kbmonkey> press 'd' to delete it, and add it again
[18:30] <kbmonkey> and when they ask your size, you have to type in how big you want it
[18:30] <Kilos> there is no choice for how big you want it
[18:30] <Kilos> it doesnt ask size
[18:31] <kbmonkey> it does
[18:31] <kbmonkey> i know fdisk backwards ;)
[18:31] <Kilos> ok deleted
[18:31] <Kilos> start at the beginning i cant work backwards
[18:31] <Kilos> hehe
[18:31] <kbmonkey> 'n' to add new. choose [p]rimary partition. partitionno [1]. First sector default [enter]
[18:32] <kbmonkey> then it asks "Last Sector"
[18:32] <kbmonkey> that is your size
[18:32] <kbmonkey> to make it 500 MB, enter +500M
[18:32] <Kilos> wait
[18:32] <kbmonkey> to make it 1 Gigabyte, enter +1G
[18:33] <Kilos> n asks (1-4)
[18:33] <Kilos> i went 1
[18:33] <Kilos> before
[18:33] <kbmonkey> if its the first one you making, choose 1
[18:33] <kbmonkey> i find it helpful to write on paper how many partitions i want, and how big each
[18:34] <Kilos> wait
[18:34] <kbmonkey> partitions are like pizza slices. all together they make a whole pizza, err disk.
[18:34]  * Tonberry is far too much of a gparted fan
[18:34] <Kilos> where it says First sector (2048-12594959, default 2048): 
[18:34] <kbmonkey> default
[18:34] <Kilos> thats where i enter size
[18:34] <kbmonkey> no
[18:35] <kbmonkey> the start always default
[18:36] <Kilos> ok i must enter the default
[18:36] <Kilos> ?
[18:36] <kbmonkey> yes :]
[18:37] <Kilos> oh and enter size after the last sector
[18:37] <Kilos> Tonberry, i agree
[18:38] <kbmonkey> i like gparted too. used it plenty
[18:38] <kbmonkey> yes, the last sector is where your partition space Ends
[18:38] <Kilos> stupid thing complained about 500M wanted 500 MB
[18:39] <kbmonkey> so you tell fdisk to make a part that starts here and ends here
[18:39] <kbmonkey> you have to prefix the value with +
[18:39] <kbmonkey> +500M
[18:39] <Kilos> ok so now is there a 500m part for boot?
[18:39] <kbmonkey> press p
[18:39] <kbmonkey> where does part1 end?
[18:40] <kbmonkey> 2548?
[18:40] <Kilos> /dev/sdb1            2048      978610      488281+ 
[18:40] <kbmonkey> that looks right :)
[18:40] <Kilos> yay
[18:40] <kbmonkey> now you can make the second one
[18:41] <kbmonkey> i know fdisk is low-level, but  good reason we use it
[18:41] <Kilos> for root hey
[18:41] <kbmonkey> so #1 is you boot
[18:41] <kbmonkey> yes make one for /root
[18:42] <Kilos> root uses lotsa space
[18:42] <Kilos> had a /root on 80g once of 5g and it got full quick
[18:43] <Kilos> also now are we gonna make root a primary or extended partition
[18:43] <kbmonkey> how many partitions do you want in total?
[18:43] <kbmonkey> if you want 4 or less, make them all primary
[18:44] <Kilos> ok
[18:45] <Kilos> root and home of over 2g?
[18:45] <kbmonkey> i just realized you can force gaps between partitions, making 'hidden space' to store hidden documents
[18:45] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:45] <kbmonkey> boot wont ever use all that space hey
[18:46] <kbmonkey> my boot only takes 20Megs
[18:46] <Kilos> so why we made that first part 500MB
[18:46] <kbmonkey> what are you going to install? centos?
[18:47] <kbmonkey> no it's okay, its for practice and study so any value they say is fine :)
[18:48] <Kilos> i wanna see if i can ask someone to download it and post it to me
[18:48] <Kilos> but i am learning this fdisk now
[18:48] <kbmonkey> pm me your address :)
[18:54] <kbmonkey> this one example makes /boot 15 megs. lol
[18:54] <Kilos> LOL
[18:54] <Kilos> HOW BIG IS THE CENTOS BOOT
[18:54] <Kilos> EISH
[18:54] <Kilos> sorry
[18:54] <kbmonkey> ouch my ears! 
[18:55] <kbmonkey> im not sure myself
[18:55] <kbmonkey> lets see
[18:55] <kbmonkey> for this text, 500 is fine
[18:55] <Kilos> lol
[18:55] <Kilos> shithead
[18:55] <Kilos> sorry
[18:56] <kbmonkey> bwha ha ha
[18:56] <Kilos> ok now suggest size for /root
[18:56] <kbmonkey> stick and stones may break my bones, but fdisk and shells excite me
[18:56] <Kilos> 2g?
[18:56] <Kilos> lol
[18:57] <kbmonkey> swap    500M
[18:57] <kbmonkey> oops.
[18:57] <Kilos> im not gonna be doing any updates or going online with centos i think, just want to work through the course with it so i can unnerstand where they coming from
[18:58] <kbmonkey> boot    500M
[18:58] <kbmonkey> root    3
[18:58] <kbmonkey> swap    500M
[18:58] <kbmonkey> home    2G
[18:58] <kbmonkey> i'd do that
[18:58] <kbmonkey> since my centos is virtual, ill also make my disk 6g
[19:00] <Kilos> Last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G} (1955174-12594959, default 12594959): 3000GB
[19:00] <Kilos> Value out of range.
[19:00] <Kilos> grrr
[19:00] <kbmonkey> whoa that's a big partition!
[19:00] <Kilos> oh should be MB
[19:00] <kbmonkey> you mean +3G
[19:00] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[19:01] <kbmonkey> see the line says: +size{K,M,G}
[19:01]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[19:01] <kbmonkey> +size{K,M,G}
[19:01] <kbmonkey> +3{K,M,G}
[19:01] <kbmonkey> +3G
[19:01] <kbmonkey> "]
[19:01] <kbmonkey> don't ask me why you have to put a +
[19:02] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee
[19:02] <Maaz> kbmonkey: What?
[19:02] <kbmonkey> Maaz give me your strongest cup of coffee!
[19:02] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[19:02] <Kilos> lol Maaz coffee please
[19:02] <Kilos> eish
[19:02] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[19:02] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[19:02] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee please, black
[19:02] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Huh?
[19:02] <kbmonkey> oh well :)
[19:03] <Kilos> it said again the last 2G was outa range so i just entered and i think it used whatever was left on the disk
[19:03] <Kilos> now i think i understand this fdisk better
[19:04] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey 
[19:04] <Kilos> i go gparted to see what i got
[19:04] <Kilos> oh i forgot p
[19:04] <Kilos> works kiff
[19:04] <Kilos> /dev/sdb1            2048      978610      488281+  83  Linux
[19:04] <Kilos> /dev/sdb2          978611     1955173      488281+  83  Linux
[19:04] <Kilos> /dev/sdb3         1955174     7814548     2929687+  83  Linux
[19:04] <Kilos> /dev/sdb4         7814549    12594959     2390205+  83  Linux
[19:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[19:05] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:05] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:05] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[19:05] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[19:05] <kbmonkey> so gparted shows the sizes okay? good good
[19:06] <kbmonkey> yes I dont know why fdisk doesnt show sizes
[19:06] <Kilos> this was with fdisk  p
[19:06] <Kilos> just p in command and it showed that
[19:06] <kbmonkey> i know, but you said you go gparted to see what you got
[19:06] <Kilos> works lekker
[19:07] <kbmonkey> good :)
[19:07] <kbmonkey> i mean, when you done, you press 'w' to write the changes
[19:07] <Kilos> then i said oh i forgot p so i p'ed first 
[19:07] <Kilos> hehe
[19:07] <kbmonkey> then you can use gparted to just double-check the sizes, you know, to see if you got them right
[19:09] <Kilos> it made the 500m ones 476.84
[19:09] <kbmonkey> close enough
[19:09] <Kilos> and the 3g 2.79G
[19:10] <Kilos> and the last one
[19:10] <kbmonkey> some good docs on partitions http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/fdisk_partitioning.html
[19:10] <Kilos> 2.28g
[19:10] <Kilos> ok will wget that ty laddy
[19:10] <Kilos> so fdisk worked
[19:11] <kbmonkey> heck the home doesnt even need to be large. its a test system we wont be saving any music or docs or much else in home
[19:11] <Kilos> no its for this course thats all
[19:18] <kbmonkey> the lpi manual says boot can be 100M to 250M big
[19:19] <Kilos> yeah but 500m is ok
[19:19] <kbmonkey> yes
[19:20] <Kilos> fdisk work well i think
[19:21] <Kilos> quicker and simpler than ms fdisk once you know how to use it
[19:22] <Kilos> kbmonkey,  is that manual link with pdf different to the one i gave
[19:23] <kbmonkey> let me check..
[19:23] <kbmonkey> the pdf name says v_09
[19:26] <Kilos> i gave Maaz the one inetpro asked about instead of the one i told him to use
[19:26] <Kilos> now not sure if they same
[19:27] <inetpro> huh?
[19:28] <Kilos> remember inetpro i gave you the manual link and you asked kb if it was the one that ended pdf
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: I got http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[19:29] <Kilos> ya inetpro but thats not the same as i gave you
[19:29] <kbmonkey> that's the one
[19:29] <Kilos> or had given maaz
[19:30]  * inetpro go sleep
[19:30] <Kilos> i didnt get this one
[19:30] <Kilos> nag inetpro lekker slapp
[19:30] <Kilos> draf inna oggend
[19:32] <Kilos> kbmonkey, i went to find it again in studies
[19:32] <Kilos> this is the one i have
[19:32] <Kilos> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[19:34] <kbmonkey> that points to the same pdf in the first link
[19:34] <kbmonkey> but use this one instead, it's better if they update the manual again
[19:35] <Kilos> use which one
[19:36] <kbmonkey> tis latest one
[19:36] <kbmonkey> sorry, my brain is very bad today Kilos 
[19:36] <Kilos> the one i gave 7 lines up??
[19:36] <Kilos> today???
[19:37] <kbmonkey> no, 8 lines up... ;)
[19:37] <kbmonkey> no wait, 9
[19:37] <Kilos> lol
[19:37] <Kilos> ok thats the one i got but inetpro and ian now got the other one
[19:37] <Kilos> Maaz, forget lpi manual
[19:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[19:38] <kbmonkey> which other one??
[19:38] <Kilos> Maaz, lpi manual is <reply> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[19:38] <Maaz> Kilos: If you say so
[19:38] <Kilos> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[19:38] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ^^2
[19:38] <kbmonkey> that is the latest one
[19:38] <kbmonkey> i have that one too
[19:39] <Kilos> whew which one is the latest one now
[19:39] <kbmonkey> lol Kilos \
[19:39] <kbmonkey> you are confused :D
[19:39] <Kilos> lol
[19:39] <kbmonkey> both those urls point to the same stuff
[19:39] <kbmonkey> the one is just a direct link to a file
[19:39] <Kilos> the bot must have the right one
[19:39] <kbmonkey> the other lists all the files
[19:39] <kbmonkey> you made aaz right now, thats perfect!
[19:39] <kbmonkey> maaz
[19:39] <Kilos> oh so which one is best for maaz to remember
[19:40] <kbmonkey> as is you set it now
[19:40]  * kbmonkey losing grammar and comprehension quickly
[19:40] <Kilos> without the pdf bit?
[19:40] <kbmonkey> yes
[19:40] <kbmonkey> becauwse think
[19:40] <kbmonkey> oops
[19:40] <Kilos> you onna bottle again
[19:40] <kbmonkey> because think if they say update the manual, and release v_1.0
[19:41] <kbmonkey> then that direct link will only pull the old one
[19:41] <Kilos> oh clever kid
[19:41] <kbmonkey> but with the file list people will always see the latest. understand?
[19:41] <Kilos> blow your nose and go to the top of the class
[19:41] <kbmonkey> no bottle Kilos he he
[19:41] <Kilos> hehe\
[19:41] <kbmonkey> thats a trick you only pick up with experience 
[19:42] <Kilos> i dont browse so dont see all them things
[19:42] <Kilos> but had a good night tonight, can use fdisk a bit now ty
[19:42] <kbmonkey> good :)
[19:43] <kbmonkey> okay, for practice here's a good tip:
[19:45] <kbmonkey> you can fdisk to a file, to practice partitioning
[19:46] <kbmonkey> looks like you have it under control there general
[19:47] <Kilos> you mean resizing etc
[19:47] <Kilos> doesnt centos have gparted
[19:47] <kbmonkey> not sure, most likely it does
[19:47] <kbmonkey> but to understand this, we learn to use the text tools
[19:48] <Kilos> and i havent looked at parted yet
[19:48] <Kilos> is parted a text tool
[19:48] <kbmonkey> because if you have to install a server over ssh, through a terminal, you cant use gui apps :)
[19:48] <kbmonkey> also, live gui installs are still a new thing compared to how it has been done before
[19:48] <Kilos> thats why i want centos so i can do this whole course 
[19:49] <Kilos> lo WOLFEYES 
[19:49] <WOLFEYES> evening all
[19:49] <WOLFEYES> heya Kilos 
[19:49] <kbmonkey> you could very well follow with ubuntu too, the principals are the same
[19:49] <kbmonkey> hi WOLFEYES 
[19:49] <WOLFEYES> heya kbmonkey 
[19:50] <Kilos> i cant work on principles till i get something lodged inna skull
[19:50] <kbmonkey> okay :]
[19:51] <Kilos> you forget half my brain leaked out onna farm in rustenburg 10 years ago
[19:53] <Kilos> WOLFEYES, you understanding the manual so far??
[19:53] <WOLFEYES> yeah I am just trying to get the terminology stuck in there.
[19:54] <kbmonkey> okay Kilos ha ha.
[19:54] <Kilos> yeah i also battled with lotsa stuff
[19:54] <Kilos> kbmonkey, didnt you ever read my blog??
[19:54] <WOLFEYES> I haven't loaded a computer with linux yet so I have a lot to do before tuesday
[19:54] <kbmonkey> pretty much had a chemical labotomy myself. hit and miss with what i remember
[19:54] <kbmonkey> yes! i must go finish reading!
[19:54] <Kilos> its gone 
[19:55] <kbmonkey> i dont surf too much hey
[19:55] <Kilos> no more blog there
[19:55] <kbmonkey> why?
[19:55] <kbmonkey> :(
[19:55] <kbmonkey> what happened
[19:55] <Kilos> was info there that could harm tara
[19:55] <Kilos> via the media
[19:55] <kbmonkey> oh yes
[19:55] <kbmonkey> you should write it into a story book
[19:56] <Kilos> i got it all saved here si i can either edit it and remove all her info or reblog it when she has become famous the the media vant do zilch
[19:57] <Kilos> whew scuse the typos
[19:58] <Kilos> i got a big project for you kbmonkey when you got time
[20:00] <Kilos> or maybe just the info will help me to do it myself
[20:00] <kbmonkey> i could help you?
[20:01] <Kilos> i wanna set up my p3 as a server if i can get maverick server edition
[20:01] <Kilos> then i wann know how to make this pc see that as the place to go for updates and upgrades
[20:02] <Kilos> no go online for updates
[20:02] <Kilos> i need to keep maverick alive when support drops away
[20:03] <Kilos> and if you cant get updates the os doesnt know what to do after a clean install
[20:03] <Kilos> does that sound stupid??
[20:05] <Kilos> or is it possible to use an external connected to my machine as a server  and tell my os to do updates and upgrades from it
[20:07] <Kilos> nother thing. runlevels are what is actually happening in your machine all the time hey?
[20:07] <kbmonkey> well, you can update from another computer like you said, a server
[20:07] <kbmonkey> but you can also update from an external
[20:07] <Kilos> changing will make it shutdown or reboot or got from single user to multiuser, is that correct
[20:08] <kbmonkey> a server is useful for small networks with a few computers
[20:08] <kbmonkey> but for only one or 2 pc's, if you have the repo archives on external, that will also do
[20:08] <Kilos> yeah but can i then say sudo apt-get update and it will update from my external
[20:08] <kbmonkey> yes that is right!
[20:08] <Kilos> yay so i understand runlevels too now
[20:09] <kbmonkey> yes, if you configure and tell apt where to look for updates (by default online) 
[20:09] <Kilos> WOLFEYES, you here still
[20:09] <WOLFEYES> yes
[20:09] <kbmonkey> the updates are just files. they are found online, but if you have them on disc, or external, or cd, or even another of your computers...
[20:09] <kbmonkey> you can tell apt to look there first :)
[20:10] <Kilos> need you to take the external next time and get the full maverick repo
[20:10] <WOLFEYES> ok
[20:10] <Kilos> thats good kbmonkey as long as i can tell apt where to go then i can keep maverick alive forever here
[20:10] <kbmonkey> if you have the full repo, you can also install any program withou internet
[20:11] <kbmonkey> because all the programs are saved in the repos
[20:11] <Kilos> i was getting worried because maverick loses support in 2 months time
[20:11] <Kilos> yeah but doing it via gdebi is a massive job
[20:11] <kbmonkey> on the other hand, its probably a very stable OS because it's been used for so long, and all the updates to it have fixed many things
[20:12] <Kilos> if synaptic and software centre can use the repo then i am smiling
[20:13] <Kilos> if i get to aus i will then have a better pc that can handle unity so then i can follow ubuntu upgrades but not from here
[20:14] <kbmonkey> its funny how when you struggle with internet, you actually learn so much more about pc's
[20:14] <WOLFEYES> lol
[20:15] <kbmonkey> when your internet just works and you never have problems, you dont learn how to do all these tings
[20:15] <WOLFEYES> Nodz
[20:15]  * WOLFEYES remembers Karmic and fixing that with the help of the amazing guys here :-)
[20:16] <Kilos> dunno what zeref does or did with a p2
[20:17] <Kilos> if i can tell apt to use my external for every thing i will be a happy chappy
[20:17] <Kilos> only ian only visits every 4 months or so
[20:18] <WOLFEYES> :-P
[20:18] <Kilos> and we need the full repo before maverick expires
[20:19] <kbmonkey> sure you will still get it for a while after its gone
[20:21] <Kilos> thats all i find fault with in ubuntu. if your pc cant handle unity you stuffed without being able to have your own repos on external
[20:21] <Tonberry> xubuntu or lubuntu?
[20:21] <Tonberry> not exactly old gnome
[20:22] <Tonberry> but close
[20:22] <Kilos> i have looked at xubuntu Tonberry and much harder for me to use having got gnome inna head
[20:23] <kbmonkey> stick with gnome if you know it Kilos 
[20:23] <Kilos> dont like only one panel at the top and other stuff down the left
[20:23] <kbmonkey> i feel the same hey, i understand unity's reason, but its not for me
[20:24] <kbmonkey> but i hear that the'classic' style is not the same as normal?
[20:24] <kbmonkey> is that true?
[20:25] <Kilos> i tried classic in 11.04 and lots of things didnt work and kept crashing thats why i went back to maverick
[20:25] <Kilos> it looked the same though
[20:25] <Kilos> kbmonkey, what you know about win7
[20:26] <Kilos> can ian make a virtual drive for centos
[20:26] <kbmonkey> im pretty behind on the latest ubuntu's. 
[20:26] <kbmonkey> you can
[20:27] <Kilos> WOLFEYES, ^^
[20:27] <WOLFEYES> nodz
[20:27] <Kilos> nstall centos in a virtual drive
[20:27] <Kilos> install too
[20:27] <Kilos> head thumping now
[20:28] <kbmonkey> why, do you have win7 there?
[20:29] <WOLFEYES> I work with it on a daily basis
[20:29] <Kilos> he uses win7 for work kbmonkey 
[20:29] <Kilos> lol
[20:29] <kbmonkey> virtualpc was bought out by microsoft, and integrated into win7 
[20:30] <Kilos> all the fingerprint scanners software works with windows
[20:30] <kbmonkey> but its sucky because the removed some essential functionality
[20:30] <kbmonkey> you can also use vmware player to run a virtual pc
[20:30] <kbmonkey> so yes you can run centOS using virtualization :)
[20:31] <Kilos> there you go WOLFEYES 
[20:31] <WOLFEYES> nodz
[20:33] <Kilos> im actually excited about this course, maybe i can remember enough to write the exam
[20:35] <kbmonkey> Kilos I found on lpi website 
[20:35] <kbmonkey> they have online, practice exams we can take :)
[20:35] <kbmonkey> free of course
[20:35] <kbmonkey> just to test how much you learned.
[20:35] <Kilos> yay
[20:35] <Kilos> thats wonderful
[20:36] <WOLFEYES> lol
[20:36] <kbmonkey> WOLFEYES you can see how at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/virtualbox
[20:36] <WOLFEYES> ty
[20:36] <kbmonkey> its for ubuntu, but will work for any linux the same :)
[20:36] <Kilos> one of the new guys wants the info on where exams can be written, im not sure if its the jhb guy or the netherlands guy
[20:37] <kbmonkey> I think any Comptia approved center will do
[20:37] <kbmonkey> Comptia is where you write your PC tests online
[20:38] <Kilos> kbmonkey, dont forget to advertise the classes on the main ubuntu lists as well
[20:38] <Kilos> dont tell me kbmonkey i have never heard of comptia
[20:38] <kbmonkey> im just saying :)
[20:38] <Kilos> if i can learn enough i will try go with one of the locals
[20:38] <Kilos> lol
[20:39] <Kilos> if the whole course works as well as the fdisk part then there is hope
[20:40] <Kilos> had to work through the runtimes about 6 times before i twigged what runtimes actually were
[20:40] <kbmonkey> its not just you Kilos, I feel that it reads a bit difficult even for me
[20:40] <Kilos> one of my questions for tuesday night was why do you wanna change runtimes
[20:40] <kbmonkey> and from soemone who knows runlevels lol!
[20:41] <kbmonkey> good question!
[20:41] <Kilos> oh ya runlevels
[20:41] <kbmonkey> its time for me to runtime now ;)
[20:41] <Kilos> but now i understand them mostly
[20:41] <WOLFEYES> lol
[20:42] <Kilos> linux geek language and english are a bit different
[20:42] <kbmonkey> yes, all this terms and names can get confusing if you dont know them
[20:42] <Kilos> lol
[20:42] <kbmonkey> the onlything that makes you remember, is to use them over and over.
[20:43] <Kilos> yeah looks like, thats why i wanna get centOS
[20:43] <Kilos> but
[20:43] <Kilos> but
[20:43] <kbmonkey> i've already gone through the chapters beyond our Q&A
[20:44] <Kilos> one wont need to do fdisk for partitions with ubuntu because the part manager in advanced does a great job
[20:44] <kbmonkey> he he yes
[20:44] <kbmonkey> centOS does not have a gui installer though ;)
[20:44] <Kilos> is it all text?
[20:44] <kbmonkey> as doesnt many of the server nixes
[20:44] <Kilos> whew
[20:45] <Kilos> no x goodie
[20:45] <kbmonkey> just the installer. centOS runs Gnome and looks just like Maverick, actually
[20:45] <Kilos> og then its ok
[20:45] <kbmonkey> so you will know it well, I think you will do well with it
[20:45] <Kilos> i think this pc wont do gnome 3 if it cant do ubity
[20:46] <kbmonkey> I don't think centOS uses Gnome 3
[20:46] <Kilos> but plain gnome is lekker
[20:46] <Kilos> only the fly and prokid wont enjoy
[20:46] <kbmonkey> CentOS is chosen for lpi, because it only uses older, but tested and stable softwares
[20:46] <Kilos> gnome2 is good
[20:47] <Kilos> does one have to know the redhat applications as well?
[20:48] <Kilos> terminology
[20:49] <kbmonkey> its part of the manual
[20:49] <kbmonkey> they talk about rpm and deb package managers
[20:49] <kbmonkey> i haven't used rpm in yonks
[20:49] <kbmonkey> its not much different
[20:49] <kbmonkey> a little, but the ideas are the same
[20:49] <Kilos> only good thing there is YUM
[20:50] <Kilos> sounds good to eat
[20:50] <kbmonkey> I don't know YUM
[20:50] <kbmonkey> it does!
[20:50] <Kilos> lol
[20:50]  * Kilos thinks yum is like dpkg
[20:51] <kbmonkey> wow Kilos you do know a lot more than you lead on!
[20:51] <kbmonkey> they also talk about alien, which is a little tool to convert rpm files into debs
[20:51] <kbmonkey> alien, lol
[20:51] <kbmonkey> i love Linux names for things
[20:52] <kbmonkey> I read a really funny line the other day, must remember where. it was in source code, geek humor
[20:52] <Kilos> i have used alien in here
[20:52] <Kilos> works kiff
[20:53] <Kilos> tell
[20:56] <kbmonkey> well gn Kilos and WOLFEYES 
[20:56] <kbmonkey> sleep tight
[20:56] <Kilos> night kbmonkey sleep tight and ty again
[20:57] <WOLFEYES> night kbmonkey and ty
[20:58] <kbmonkey> ty both!
[21:03] <WOLFEYES> night all
[21:04] <Kilos> night guys sleep tight. see you all tomorrow
[21:44] <Kilos> superfly, soory to worry you, are you still up?
[21:44] <Kilos> sorry too
[21:44] <superfly> I am, what's up?
[21:45] <Kilos> is it possible to make a google site with picks on that are for sale but cant be just stolen
[21:45] <superfly> Kilos: no
[21:45] <superfly> you need an e-commerce system
[21:45] <Kilos> oh my
[21:46] <Kilos> she wont understand that
[21:46] <superfly> well, I guess you can, as long as you resize the pics down to a size that is useless to buy
[21:46] <superfly> *copy
[21:46] <superfly> Kilos: the internet is free reign. if you can see it, you can download it
[21:46] <Kilos> she works in the kruger park but does drawings and adds animals and stuff in
[21:47] <Kilos> ians idea was to put writing on them that makes then useless to anyone else
[21:48] <superfly> that too
[21:48] <Kilos> i forget the place you told me to send picks to
[21:48] <superfly> imageshack.us ?
[21:48] <Kilos> ah i will send one she made for me so you can see
[21:49] <superfly> Kilos: you can also e-mail it to me if you want
[21:49] <Kilos> thats better maybe
[21:54] <Kilos> on its way
[21:57] <Kilos> lol i think she calls them fantasy cards with an african flavour
[22:00] <Kilos> you got it superfly ?
[22:00] <superfly> I did
[22:01] <Kilos> good. then i can go sleep now
[22:01] <Kilos> sleep tight
[22:01] <superfly> :-)