* Kurdistan bed time. take care everyone.00:10
Riddellyofel: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/pavucontrol.png00:15
yofelyeah, seen that with gnome-tweak-tool and no working gtk3 theme00:16
yofelit's fine with oxygen-gtk300:16
* Riddell snoozes00:17
Riddellafiestas: ^^00:31
afiestasI just had a mental fart, thought was talking in kubuntu-devel but actually was talking in another channel xD00:32
afiestasRiddell: you are missing some icons as do I00:33
Tm_Tyofel: yes I have those in my krandrrc04:03
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djszapihi! Does the kde-runtime package (4.8 version) build the plasma components API ?07:50
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Riddelldjszapi: it's builds runtime components, as you can find out from the packaging09:29
djszapiRiddell: also plasma active ones, like this ? http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/plasma-qml-apidocs/09:29
Riddellthose are API09:30
Riddelldpkg -L kde-runtime09:30
Riddelldpkg -L kde-runtime-data09:30
djszapiRiddell: porting the kubuntu package to Harmattan. The build is not done yet, but I am gonna check out the contents.09:30
djszapiI know kubuntu used an activity "hack" earlier.09:31
djszapiin the rules file, I think.09:31
apacheloggeracitivity hack?09:31
RiddellI don't remember making any changes to activities09:31
apacheloggerwell, they were hidden from the cashew back in 4.1 or so, due to them being utterly broken and confusing :P09:32
apacheloggerscary times those were09:32
Riddellthere's a problem plama-desktop's dependencies (or lack of them) on libkactivities6 and libkactivities-bin09:32
Riddellapachelogger: they're still a bad user experience09:32
djszapiapachelogger: yes, double configure.09:33
apacheloggerRiddell: not as bad ^^09:33
Riddellwin-tab key and all your windows disappear without any clue what's happened, so nasty09:33
Riddellyofel: ug rekonq is nothing but crash for me now09:42
* Riddell tries a dist-upgrade09:42
yofelWorked for me as long as i keep away from flash09:43
djszapiRiddell: anyway, thanks :)09:43
Riddelldjszapi: hmm, kde-runtime: /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_appletscript_declarative.so09:46
Riddellso that file does come from -runtime so maybe you're right09:46
djszapiRiddell: http://paste.xinu.at/H36u/ -> I had this rules file for KDE/4.709:47
djszapithere was a separate series-active patch set.09:48
djszapiI am almost pretty sure I got it adopted from ubuntu.09:48
Riddellthat might be rbelem's area09:49
Riddellhe's been into adding mobile and tablet patches09:49
Riddelldjszapi: have you asked ervin or another kde platform guy what other configure flags are available for mobile needs?09:50
djszapijust this platform profile.09:50
djszapibut I can notmart and aseigo09:50
djszapiabout plasma active in general09:50
Riddellwe're behind in pacakging plasma active at the moment, any patches we've added are probably out of date09:51
Riddellyofel: a dist-upgrade sorted it, must be some abi breakage we didn't catch, not importnat10:01
yofelDid someone look at digikam yet?10:03
Riddellno, it's on my todo list but I think I'm wanting to do owncloud today10:04
Riddellor maybe I should work out what calligra needs to compile10:04
yofelFor calligra just throw the whole unfunctional marble check out and define it by hand10:05
Riddellgosh I find it really objectionable how google is using their front page to advertise chrome now10:06
Riddellug new "go" button in rekonq is labeled "load typed URL", that's not remotely user friendly10:09
Tm_TRiddell: they're been doing that for several months quite aggressively now10:09
RiddellTm_T: what giving bad labels to buttons?10:09
Tm_TRiddell: I mean google and chrome ads10:21
Tm_Ttalking about bad labels, finnish translation of monitor settings talks about printers10:22
RiddellTm_T: translation issues need working out if it's a bug from launchpad or upstream and reported in the right place10:30
Tm_Tjust noticed that yesterday, haven't had time yet to look from where it comes and who did it10:31
Tm_Talthough I have an idea10:31
Riddellyofel: think this'll do it? http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=calligra.git&a=commitdiff_plain&h=5e647de09265c4487f9a37d0a50a755abb3cf30310:33
yofelI'm just trying it, but that failed in neon10:34
RiddellI can't see why it would work, it's just some cmake bits, nothing useful like checking the version of the marble library10:35
yofelsame error with official 4.810:41
Riddellthat compiler line is missing any -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore/10:41
Riddellso yes this might help set(CMAKE_REQUIRED_INCLUDES ${QT_QTCORE_INCLUDES}10:42
yofelwell, it does already have set(CMAKE_REQUIRED_INCLUDES ${QT_QTCORE_INCLUDES} ${QT_QTGUI_INCLUDES})10:42
Riddellyeah that's why it's weird10:43
Riddellas a quick fix include_directories(/usr/include/qt4/QtCore/) should help10:43
Riddellin the right place10:44
yofelmessage("includes: ${QT_QTCORE_INCLUDES}")10:49
yofel-> includes:10:49
apacheloggerRiddell: what are the rekonq bts?10:52
Riddellapachelogger: bts?10:52
Riddellapachelogger: no idea, a dist upgrade sorted it so it'll have been an abi issue10:52
apacheloggerweird enough10:53
Riddellnow it's working fine, not crashed yet10:53
Riddellnot dared to use flash yet though10:53
Riddellyofel: I get in the cmake output "-- Performing Test SETMARBLEWIDGET - Failed11:05
Riddellwhich I guess is what I want11:05
yofelyes, you want that11:05
yofelI'm just trying to find out why the include variables are empty11:05
Riddellmm, some cmake weirdness there, they should be filled in by default when using the KDE cmake stuff11:06
yofelok, wtf? now I have " -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui", but it still fails with QtCore/QtGlobal: No such file or directory o.O11:20
Riddelloh then you'll need -I/usr/include/qt4/11:22
Riddellfor QtCore/QtGlobal11:22
Riddellelse it'll be looking for /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/QtCore/QtGlobal11:22
yofelbah, I'm still asleep today11:23
yofelworks \o/11:25
Riddellhow did you fix 11:25
Riddellhow did you fix/workaround it?11:25
yofelsomeone didn't read the find_package() documentation properly11:25
KurdistanI have found intressting bug. when I use my usb bluetooth to send files from laptopt-phone my laptop freeze.11:26
Kurdistanknown bug?11:26
Kurdistanit freezes everytime I try.11:27
Riddellno, afiestas has the knowledge in that area11:27
Kurdistanokey. it finds my bluetooth correct and everything, but when I try to send stuff my laptop freeze. 11:28
Riddellyofel: are you parallel building calligra or just single CPU build?11:29
Riddellbecause when I do make -j4 it always stops randomly but make -j1 carries on fine11:29
yofelin neon we build with --parallel, but don't ask me if it really does that11:29
RiddellI don't think that does anything currently11:29
yofelI'll give it a try with -j411:30
RiddellI have done, lots, always get errors11:30
Riddellcalligra needs to have its CMakeLists files sorted for parallel build then but as we just discovered they're no experts in CMakeLists :)11:30
Kurdistancan it be kernel related or is it kde?11:31
yofelif the OS freezes, kernel11:31
Kurdistanyofel, that was my first thought to.11:31
RiddellKurdistan: there are many more layers for possible blame11:31
KurdistanI have tested the different 3.0* kernels and same result11:32
yofelwell, kernel if you can't switch to a TTY anymore, and sysrq+reisub doesn't work either11:32
Kurdistanshould bug report it then.11:33
* yofel replied to the calligra commit mail he got11:33
Kurdistanbut I do not know against what kernel/bluez/graphical driver?11:33
yofel#ubuntu-bugs might help11:34
Kurdistanyofel, let se if they reply.11:36
Riddellhmm 12:17
Riddell/home/jr/src/calligra/calligra-2.3.87/active/src/MainWindow.h:27:26: fatal error: kdeclarative.h: No such file or directory12:17
Riddellah, new build-dep on kdelibs5-experimental-dev12:18
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Kurdistanyofel, now I have bigger problem. I tried install bluetooth package and bluez-utils something like that12:31
Kurdistanafter that bluedevil was installed12:31
Kurdistannow when I try to install bluedevil it does not work12:31
Kurdistanbluedevil was removed sorry. I try to install bluedevil again but does not work.12:32
Kurdistanconflict between kde 4.8.0 and bluedevil version for kubuntu 11.10?12:32
KurdistanI removed does files installed and wanted to install bluedevil again and now it does not work.12:34
shadeslayer_Riddell: yofel how do we want to proceed on KDE Telepathy?12:53
shadeslayer_0.3 is up for testing, there were a couple of packaging bugs that I fixed later on12:54
Riddellshadeslayer_: if I test it and I like what I see is it good enough to upload?12:55
Kurdistantrying to build bluedevil-1.3.1 if that will help.12:55
Riddellthanks Kurdistan 12:55
shadeslayer_Riddell: I'd suggest getting a OK from another Kubuntu Dev12:55
shadeslayer_just to cover all our bases12:56
KurdistanRiddell, :) building for myself. I do not have any ppa yet.12:56
shadeslayer_Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa12:56
shadeslayer_The meta package needs a bit of tweaking before a upload12:57
shadeslayer_i.e. remove all references about telepathy-kde since it never went into the archives12:57
BluesKajHi all12:58
KurdistanBluesKaj, hi.12:58
BluesKajhi Kurdistan12:58
Kurdistanany one that knows if there is conflict between bluedevil-1.2.1 and kde 4.8.0?12:59
Kurdistanbec. I can not install it anymore.12:59
Kurdistanlet see if it makes any problem with 1.3.112:59
BluesKajI see 1.2.2 in the repos , as well as 1.9.1 libbluedevil-dev, Kurdistan13:02
KurdistanBluesKaj, I am using kubuntu 11.1013:03
KurdistanI know 12.04 have 1.2.213:03
Kurdistanmaybe kubuntu backports should have bluedevil 1.2.213:03
BluesKajI assume ppl are using 12.04 , due to this being a devel channel ... suppose i'd better put that assumption aside13:05
* apachelogger hasn't used a dev series before beta *ever* :P13:06
shadeslayer_I usually upgrade 2 weeks after the first alpha13:10
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rbelemRiddell, ping13:20
BluesKajyeah, I'm having trouble with a wireless mouse on my other pc ...it won't move where you want it , moves randomly 13:20
BluesKajwireless USB13:21
Riddellhi rbelem 13:24
rbelemRiddell, could you take a look in the plasma-mobile pkg https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+packages13:25
rbelemRiddell, everything should be fine except the debian/copyright that i did not generated yet13:25
Riddellplasma mobile is still developed?13:26
rbelemRiddell, the source package still plasma-mobile but binaries are plasma-acitve13:26
rbelemRiddell, the project name still plasma-mobile in git and cmake13:27
Riddellhow very confusing of them13:28
Riddellrbelem: diff compared to our current package looks good13:29
Riddellrbelem: does it compile and work?13:29
agateauhey, do we have packages for qt5 in a ppa somewhere?13:29
Riddellagateau: no it hasn't been packaged yet13:29
agateauRiddell: ok thanks13:30
Riddelland upstream is yet to make tars or even to work out if it's package-able13:30
Riddell(although dirk has done so for suse so something must be possible)13:30
apolRiddell: can kubuntu make use of it somehow? https://launchpad.net/~tehnick/+archive/kde-gtk-config13:30
Riddellyofel, apachelogger ^^ ?13:31
rbelemRiddell, i will run some stress tests before set it as ready :-D13:31
Kurdistansorry guys/girls bludevil 1.2.1 is working (package). the reason it did not wanted to get installed was obex-server was removed13:32
Riddellrbelem: feature freeze is on thursday13:32
rbelemRiddell, do you know about any ui testing tool?13:32
Riddellrbelem: no, greyback knows of one but that'll take learning and setup to use13:32
RiddellTestability I think13:32
rbelemRiddell, hum... i will run with the tests then13:33
apacheloggerRiddell: yes13:34
apacheloggerI do not have my keys with me though13:34
* apachelogger is at work13:34
apachelogger-rwxr-xr-x root/root      9636 2012-02-12 00:36 ./usr/bin/gtk_preview13:34
apachelogger-rwxr-xr-x root/root      5440 2012-02-12 00:36 ./usr/bin/reload_gtk_apps13:34
apachelogger-rwxr-xr-x root/root      9624 2012-02-12 00:36 ./usr/bin/gtk3_preview13:34
apacheloggerthose are rather generic names13:34
yofelPut it in universe, I don't like how it works, but that's gtk3's fault13:37
danttirbelem: hey13:37
rbelemdantti, heya :-)13:38
apacheloggeryofel: whether you like it does not concern the user much :P :P :P13:38
danttirbelem: how's things? too busy?13:38
apacheloggerRiddell: I do believe it should build with the kde argument in debian/rules13:38
apacheloggeras it builds a kcm lib13:38
Riddellapachelogger: kde argument?  you mean the pkg-kde include line?13:39
danttirbelem: how's your samba? wanna samba in this carnaval? :P I need some samba help can do you have some spare time?13:39
rbelemdantti, every thing is going fine :-) my son is taking a lots of my time :-D but it is good time spent13:39
apacheloggerRiddell: it is an argument to dh nowadays, is it not?13:39
Riddellyofel: are you still wanting to get gtk theme bits into main or have you given up on that?13:39
* apachelogger always copies from another packag e^^13:39
debfxwhy do we need 2 gtk theme KCMs?13:40
apacheloggerwe don't13:40
danttirbelem: sure kids take lots of time..13:40
apacheloggernew one is superior -> throw old one away13:40
rbelemdantti, :-D yup i have time13:40
Riddellapachelogger: kde sc still uses the old system of "include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk" a newer way is to use "dh_auto_configure -Skde" as you say13:41
apacheloggerneither is what I mean13:41
rbelemdantti, is it related to the kde ui for samba sharing?13:41
danttirbelem: ok, I'm taking up the print-manager stuff again after a nice idea I had, but one of the missing things are a samba print search, that I really don't have much of an Idea of how it works...13:42
danttirbelem: what I'd need is that you could take a look at what the system-config-printer does with samba and do it in cpp :D13:42
yofelThe user doesn't care about the difference between gtk2 and 3 either13:43
debfxeh, haven't we discussed this whole gtk3 situation already? and done all the work necessary?13:43
yofelwe have13:43
rbelemdantti, i can do that in some days i'm finishing the kcm filesharing13:44
apacheloggerRiddell: dh $@ --with kde13:44
apacheloggerthat is the one I meant13:44
Riddellapachelogger: aah13:44
rbelemdantti, im planning to finish it till wed13:44
apacheloggerthe other stuff is only for SC IIRC13:44
apacheloggeror used to be anyway13:44
rbelemdantti, then i can start13:44
rbelemdantti, is it ok?13:45
danttirbelem: cool, probably till wednesday I'll have finished my changes on it too13:45
danttirbelem: sure, sounds great...13:45
danttirbelem: not sure if you have a printer but this will be really cool adition to kde  :D13:45
rbelemdantti, yeah i think so this is something that really makes a difference for the users13:47
Riddellplasma active on kubuntu! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/active.png13:49
Riddellthree cheers to rbelem 13:49
Riddellhorribly slow with my GPU but13:49
debfxok, so please let's keep this other gtk kcm out of the archive or if you really want it use a name that's actually distinguishable from the current one13:50
rbelemRiddell, :-D13:51
Riddelldebfx: it's another option and might be useful or become useful so I think we should have it in the archive, but a distinguishable would be nice yes13:52
Riddellrbelem: I'm fine to just upload this, with FF on thursday and all13:52
rbelemRiddell, sweet :-) i will run to finish everything asap13:54
RiddellScottK: how hard is it to make new images for kubuntu active?13:55
rbelemRiddell, i was using a linaro tool to build images14:00
Riddellrbelem: I didn't know you have built images, what's on them?14:01
Riddellit shouldn't be hard to adapt the kubuntu-mobile bits to be kubuntu-active but I don't know if we have enough manpower to do it by thursday or to follow it through after that14:02
rbelemRiddell, just the basics based on kubuntu seed14:02
rbelemRiddell, i think i can do14:02
rbelemRiddell, it will not be perfect but we can improve later14:03
* Riddell grumbles as audio stops working on his laptop14:16
Riddellah, speakers not turned on, good thing I didn't go with a gut reaction of blaming pulseaudio :)14:17
BluesKajRiddell,  yeah it's odd how after updtes/upgrades alsa mutes / turns the volume down on some soundcards 14:20
Riddellyofel: you still want to get bug 930384 and bug 930112 done and in main?14:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 930384 in xsettings-kde (Ubuntu) "[MIR] xsettings-kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93038414:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 930112 in oxygen-gtk3 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] oxygen-gtk3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93011214:20
shadeslayer_rbelem: might I suggest copyright helper from : git://anonscm.debian.org/users/modax/copyright-helper.git14:21
rbelemshadeslayer_, nice! thnx14:22
shadeslayer_rbelem: usage is something like : ./copyright-helper.pl -sc or ./copyright-helper.pl -l /path/to/folder14:22
shadeslayer_see the last few lines of the file for more args :)14:23
rbelemshadeslayer_, i'm writing one in python14:24
shadeslayer_heh :P14:24
shadeslayer_that works pretty good14:24
rbelemshadeslayer_, i will take a look to get some ideas from there :-D14:25
rbelemshadeslayer_, i'm using nltk and will convert to dep5 or spdx14:26
rbelemshadeslayer_, and it will be able to update the debian/copyright14:27
shadeslayer_that's awesome 14:28
shadeslayer_would love something like that14:28
rbelemshadeslayer_, i think i will present it in the next uds14:28
rbelemshadeslayer_, i hate to edit the debian/copyright by hand14:29
shadeslayer_yeah same here14:29
rbelemshadeslayer_, i really hate, i just do not maintain more packages because of that14:30
rbelemsoon we will not do that anymore :-D14:31
BluesKajis there native kde gui firewall app ?14:36
apacheloggerrbelem: you totally hijacked one of fabo's tasks :P14:36
rbelemapachelogger, :-)14:36
BluesKajwe have akde purist who doesn't want to use the cli  or gtk for his FW setup14:37
apacheloggerBluesKaj: try kde-apps.org14:37
rbelemapachelogger, i talked to him some days ago14:37
apacheloggerrbelem: did he shout at you? :P14:37
rbelemapachelogger, nope :-D14:38
apacheloggerfabo: you should totally shout more :P14:38
* apachelogger huggles everyone and goes back to work14:38
yofelRiddell: yes, or we won't have gtk3 support by default14:49
Riddellyofel: ok then you need to poke mir people14:52
Riddellor I need to ignore mir and just promote them14:53
Riddellor kubuntu packages need demoted to universe14:53
yofelpoke where?14:53
Riddellyofel: pitti and mterry for example on #ubuntu-devel14:53
yofelI'll poke pitti then14:54
yofelor mterry, I don't see pitti on ~ubuntu-mir14:57
Riddelloh maybe he moved on15:06
apacheloggernow workig on unity-sru15:07
Kurdistanhttp://imgur.com/vK4bT <<--- error message that I managed to take.15:10
apacheloggerKurdistan: click the tab15:11
apacheloggerthat windows says nothing15:11
Riddellyay, calligra uploaded.  still needs optional build-deps reviewed and who knows if it'll build on ARM15:12
Kurdistanapachelogger, :) I did not had time. it crashed after that.15:12
Kurdistan:( this crashes with bluetooth usb when transfering files from/to laptop-phone makes me angry.15:13
apacheloggerRiddell: we need to put optional build dep listing into our tooling efforts15:13
Riddellapachelogger: yes, a README.Kubuntu files with info on them would be a nice practice15:14
apacheloggerRiddell: that is not what I meant15:15
apacheloggerRiddell: have a script to parse a build log for unmet dependencies15:16
apacheloggerperhaps get upstream to make their output more machine readable15:16
apacheloggerthen have a file to blacklist deps we never want etc.15:16
Riddellapachelogger: hmm I disagree, we should automate everything that reliably can be but cmake output and the .deb testing at the end can't be sensibly automated15:16
Riddellyes if upstream had more machine readable output that might be possible15:17
apacheloggerRiddell: it is not meant for automation15:17
apacheloggerbut help us be more efficient15:17
apacheloggerand not miss deps15:17
Riddellif it's can't be reliably automated then a half-hearted automation attempt means we'd still end up relying on that and missing build-deps15:17
apacheloggerRiddell: needs investigation15:18
apacheloggerRiddell: for all we care, upstream could simply print ----- dep stats ----\n foo bar blah blah\n ----- dep end ------15:19
apacheloggerif that section is present -> take stuff between start and end, put it on a webpage somewhere, if not -> instruct packager to look at build log & provide link to log15:19
apacheloggerRiddell: thing is, not only we need to deal with a larger amount of packages, but every distro does, so making upstream provide easier automatable sources totally makes sense15:20
apacheloggerRiddell: review Kubuntu specific applications for accessibility, fix issues15:36
apacheloggerthat workitem needs fixing15:36
apacheloggerit doesn't really say anything15:37
apacheloggerit might as well be 'review kubuntu specific applications for stuff and fix issues with that stuff'15:37
Riddellapachelogger: well check if qt at spi works would be the first step15:43
Riddelland upstream seem to be doing the other step which is review applications15:43
apacheloggerRiddell: so the WI is 'check if qt-at-spi is working with our applications'?15:47
Riddellapachelogger: yes15:56
Riddellwell it should be two15:56
Riddellcheck if qt-at-spi is working15:56
Riddelland check is the applications actually expose useful stuff on at-spi so apps are usable by blind people etc15:56
Riddellshadeslayer_: not seeing my ping on MSN?15:57
shadeslayer_Riddell: can you see me online?15:57
Riddellshadeslayer_: yes and I get your ping.  I'm on kopete now.15:57
yofeloh right15:59
* yofel updates telepathy15:59
shadeslayer_brb, gotta call someone15:59
Riddellshadeslayer_: deleted my gtalk account to telepathy, pinging on msn16:01
Riddellyofel: are you on msn?16:01
yofelnope, ICQ and jabber16:01
Riddellwho's on MSN to test if it works with me?16:01
Riddelloh foo, calligra failed on arm16:01
Riddellshadeslayer_: am trying to ping you on msn, let me know if it gets through once you've done your call16:03
shadeslayer_Riddell: nothing :P16:03
shadeslayer_I can see you online16:03
Riddellhmm, so it is worse than kopete at msn16:03
shadeslayer_I keep getting  (E-mail Address Not Verified) is Available16:03
shadeslayer_there we go16:04
Riddellok I'm undecided if it is better or worse than kopete16:05
ubottuTesting help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James14716:05
RiddellTm_T: can you add em to that?16:05
Riddelltesters needed for kde-telepathy16:05
Riddellshadeslayer_: anything needing done before I upload the telepathy packages?16:06
shadeslayer_Riddell: yeah, the meta kde package has to be altered a bit16:07
Riddelloh one downside is it uses crappy kde notifications for everything instead of message indicator16:07
Riddellshadeslayer_: are you able to make that meta-kde-telepathy change today?16:09
shadeslayer_I'll upload it to bzr16:09
Riddellshadeslayer_: oh is everything in bzr packaging wise?16:10
shadeslayer_nope, I can do that as well16:10
shadeslayer_I was planning on doing that tonight16:10
shadeslayer_makes it easier to upload stuff :)16:10
Riddellno rush, that doesn't block uploading16:10
Riddellshadeslayer_: how's the licencing for the upstream tars?16:11
shadeslayer_libraries are under LGPL216:11
Riddelldantti: kde bug 277640 shows a problem with printing via cups interface, ubuntu has different permissions from other distros16:11
ubottuKDE bug 277640 in general "kde-base/system-config-printer-kde : doesn't ask for root pw" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27764016:11
Riddellshadeslayer_: I mean do all the files have nice licencing headers and COPYING files etc?16:11
shadeslayer_ah yes16:12
shadeslayer_Riddell: there's one small licensing issue that's on going with one of the Adium themes though16:12
danttiRiddell: I know that was why I first started to write printe-manager :P I was using Debian at that time..16:12
danttiRiddell: fedora runs that as root16:13
apacheloggerRiddell: fixd16:13
danttiRiddell: but why are you telling me?16:13
Riddellapachelogger: why?16:14
apacheloggerRiddell: because the previous WI was crap :P16:14
apacheloggerdantti: that entirely reminds me that we wanted to make that cpp, no? like you wanted to make it and I was talking alot ;)16:14
Riddelldantti: just incase you come across it with printer-manager at some point.  I have no motivation to fix it for s-c-p-k because as far as I can tell it doesn't affect kubuntu16:14
Riddellapachelogger: oh thanks16:15
Riddelldantti: you don't want to just take over maintainership of s-c-p-k I take it?  not a python fan?16:15
apacheloggershadeslayer_: so, how come you did not notice the license problems?16:16
shadeslayer_apachelogger: I came to know about it only yesterday16:16
danttiRiddell: yes, I don't, but really after p-m is working I believe you will drop your maintainership too...16:16
shadeslayer_when I was going through the backlog of email16:16
apacheloggerbut you packaged kt, no?16:17
shadeslayer_apachelogger: Didn't read the mailing list recently due to large amounts of work16:17
apacheloggerdantti: do you have a wiki page for p-m? what needs doing and whatnot16:17
danttiapachelogger: no, but the list is rather small but not very easy16:17
apacheloggershadeslayer_: my point is ... since you packaged ktp you should have noticed the problems through copyright creation, no?16:18
Riddelldantti: yes16:18
apacheloggerdantti: it helps a lot to document things :)16:18
danttiapachelogger: I'm currently refactoring the 2y old code into something really simpler16:18
shadeslayer_apachelogger: true, seems like I missed that script16:18
apachelogger<3 refactoring16:18
apacheloggerwhat I also heart is releases :)16:18
danttiapachelogger: it has a README with most missing thing :P16:18
apacheloggerdantti: dont mind if I move that to a wiki :P16:19
danttiapachelogger: after I change the core thing (that talks to cups)16:19
apacheloggershadeslayer_: what script?16:19
apacheloggerdantti: ok16:19
shadeslayer_s/script/HTML file/16:19
kubotushadeslayer_: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"16:19
danttiapachelogger: no if you have time pls do, I'm with a bunch of stuff aready on my todo :P16:19
apacheloggerI don't have time in particular, I can however try to find a minion16:20
apacheloggerdon't count on it though16:20
* apachelogger is rather bad at finding minions these days16:20
apacheloggermostly because I am mean and grumpy and ask why licensing issues were not noticed16:20
apacheloggeron that note16:20
danttiapachelogger: so why did I decided to revive that thing? last week I thought to myself why not to write a plasmoid for the taks, would just be awesome, and after that I thought wow a KIO would even rock16:20
apacheloggershadeslayer_: so, any guesses on why that happened?16:20
apacheloggerdantti: a KIO for printing? :O16:21
shadeslayer_apachelogger: missed it by chance? 16:21
apacheloggeru wicked :D16:21
danttiimagine dolphin cups://printers/my_laser/1-job16:21
apacheloggershadeslayer_: you are making this too easy :P16:21
apacheloggerRiddell: we also should try to detect license issues16:21
danttiyou delete the file the job is gone...16:21
apacheloggernot entirely sure on the heuristics though16:21
apacheloggerperhaps something like grep over source for $common_license ... see if copyright lists that license16:22
shadeslayer_apachelogger: I'm like trying to talk to 4-5 people at once, coding and emailing stuff for a exam on the 17th all at the same time16:22
apacheloggerthat is a close enough check I suppose16:22
danttiapachelogger: or even cooler you click on a job and you can see the .ps preview...16:22
apacheloggerdantti: fancy :D16:22
Riddellapachelogger: kde has something for that no?  krazy?  checking for correct COPYING etc files might be an idea16:23
danttiapachelogger: so, with that maybe I get some attantion to the missing thing that is choose best ppd for a new printer16:23
Riddellapachelogger: but it can't be automated completely16:23
apacheloggershadeslayer_: I am not asking you to justify, I am merely interested in how to try to prevent these things by improving our tools :)16:23
Riddelldantti: is dolphin the best interface to use for printers?16:23
shadeslayer_apachelogger: ah right, well ... copyright, I have *no* idea16:23
apacheloggerRiddell: no, it also is a case of trying-to-help packager16:23
apacheloggerat best it can help detect slip ups16:24
shadeslayer_copyright is one of those gray areas in packaging16:24
danttiRiddell: no, but it is cool enough for geeks16:24
shadeslayer_it's like the lowest priority for me when getting a release out16:24
apacheloggerat worst it doesn't do nothing for us16:24
danttiRiddell: it's just an option16:24
apacheloggershadeslayer_: low prio != justification for getting onself into legal trouble though, so we should avoid that very much16:25
apacheloggerRiddell: it certainly facilitates ui/core separation, which in this day and age is a good thing IMHO :)16:25
shadeslayer_apachelogger: I agree, but I really don't have the slightest idea as to what can be done to fix it16:26
apacheloggerperhaps aaron wants to have an own printer UI for spark ^^16:26
shadeslayer_I have ideas for automating packaging etc16:26
apacheloggershadeslayer_: I told jr my idea already :P16:26
shadeslayer_but they don't include anything for copyright16:26
apacheloggershadeslayer_: it's not about packaging as such, but QA of the packaging16:26
apacheloggerwhich is quite frankly the more complicated topic16:27
apacheloggerunless you people want to replicate OBS and start writing scripts that introduce dependency tree based building16:27
shadeslayer_well, we could learn by example? how does opensuse, or any other distro do it?16:27
Riddellshadeslayer_: who is George Kiagia dakis?  has he been active recently?16:27
apacheloggerFWIW, I would consider this very useful as that way you can indeed have one script to do an entire bundle build ^^16:27
shadeslayer_Riddell: yep16:28
apacheloggershadeslayer_: opensuse is entirely special16:28
shadeslayer_Riddell: infact he just fixed some stuff in ktp integration module :D16:28
shadeslayer_apachelogger: how?16:28
apacheloggerOBS makes a lot of things a lot less painful16:28
apacheloggerdep tracking16:28
shadeslayer_I'm more interested in copyright stuff16:28
apacheloggerplus they have semi-rolling snapshot building via OBS16:28
Riddellshadeslayer_: so should I keep him as the maintainer in XSBC-Original-Maintainer for the packages?16:28
shadeslayer_Riddell: yes16:28
apacheloggershadeslayer_: they do not care about copyright :P16:28
apacheloggersimple as that16:28
apacheloggernot all that much anyway16:29
shadeslayer_Riddell: he will update the packaging for debian soonish as well btw16:29
apachelogger(all of rpm for that matter)16:29
shadeslayer_apachelogger: remind me again why debian cares about copyright?16:30
Riddell?  because they're debian?  same reason why FSF cares about copyright16:30
apacheloggerif we do not take floss licenses seroius, how can we expect anyone else to do so?16:31
* shadeslayer_ hates opensuse now16:31
apacheloggerif I were a company I would eat up all the gpl code and put it in my binary product16:31
shadeslayer_they have it easy I tell you16:31
* Riddell still has updates to the KDE licencing policy for fonts and web apps to take care of now that RMS has stopped e-mailing him16:31
shadeslayer_hah :D16:31
apacheloggerthen if someone got a problme with that I'd argue that the source distributors themselfs take their license as a joke16:31
CIA-42[meta-kde-telepathy-0.3.0] Rohan Garg * 1 * (8 files in 3 dirs) Initial packaging16:36
Riddellshadeslayer_: ktp-accounts-kcm_0.3.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes ready to upload, shall I do this?16:37
shadeslayer_Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+junk/ubuntu16:37
Riddellshadeslayer_: lovely, uploading...16:39
CIA-42[meta-kde-telepathy-0.3.0] Rohan Garg * 2 * debian/control Fix Maintainer and XSBC-Original-Maintainer fields16:40
Riddelluh oh16:40
shadeslayer_Riddell: best to have started with ktp-common-internals16:40
shadeslayer_Riddell: hmm?16:40
Riddelloh I'm just going alphabetically, they'll get stuck in new anyway16:40
shadeslayer_ah heh :D16:40
yofelre, phone call16:56
yofelshadeslayer_: do I need to actually reboot to get telepathy integration manager working?17:00
shadeslayer_don't think so17:00
yofelsystemsettings(2408) KDEDConfig::getServiceStatus: Could not relate module  "kded_ktp_integration_module"17:01
shadeslayer_yofel: it's actually running17:01
yofelkded(1711)/kdecore (services) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "kded/ktp_integration_module.desktop" not found17:01
shadeslayer_yofel: try this in a console : qdbus org.kde.kded | grep ktp17:01
shadeslayer_I'll add the patch to the integration packaging17:01
yofelok, it is running indeed17:01
yofeland I still have no panel icon17:02
shadeslayer_wouldn't have the foggiest idea17:02
shadeslayer_yofel: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/network/telepathy/ktp-kded-module/repository/revisions/0f4e68c2644995a6ffeacfda458da2417c0929bf/diff/kded_ktp_integration_module.desktop fixes it17:02
yofelwell, rign now, you'll get a -1 from me to replace kopete with that17:03
kubotuyofel meant: "well, right now, you'll get a -1 from me to replace kopete with that"17:03
shadeslayer_yeah, idk why you have so many issues17:03
shadeslayer_Riddell had issues with just MSN, and that too got resolved after a couple of minutes17:03
yofelI'll try it in a VM later when I have time to see if a clean setup help17:03
shadeslayer_yofel: #kde-telepathy might be able to help with the icon issue17:04
RiddellI had some sort of panel icon pop up, and it's heavy on the notifications17:04
shadeslayer_heh yeah :D17:04
Riddellshadeslayer_: these packages have .install files even when not needed17:18
shadeslayer_Riddell: just following upstream debian17:18
Riddellpass on to upstream debian that having a .install file with just usr/* in it is pointless :)17:18
shadeslayer_we need them in some cases, but apachelogger did mention this17:18
shadeslayer_yeah :)17:18
Riddellupstream debian is George K ?17:19
Riddellshadeslayer_: but the packages aren't in unstable or experimental yet.  does he host them somewhere?17:20
shadeslayer_Riddell: uh yeah, they're not released yet, they're in a git repo tho17:20
shadeslayer_Riddell: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-extras/kde-telepathy/ktp-common-internals.git;a=summary17:21
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shadeslayer_Riddell: have you uploaded the integration module?17:23
Riddellshadeslayer_: I don't think so17:23
shadeslayer_okay, I just uploaded a new build with a patch17:24
yuriyI updated and rebooted and my display settings were restored this time :)17:24
Riddellyuriy: yay, what did you fix?17:24
shadeslayer_off to study I am17:25
Riddellgood luck17:26
yuriyRiddell: I didn't do anything, I figured one of you did17:26
yuriyRiddell: how are you btw? I hope things are getting better since the accident17:26
Riddellhmm, not I (who probably broke it in the first place)17:26
Riddellyuriy: feeling better today thanks (now I'm a canoe polo champion). brain appointment tomorrow but I think they'll just say "you're doing fine, carry on"17:27
yuriygood to hear17:28
Riddelland I have a sparkly eye patch now, I expect that helps a lot17:29
Riddellwould this make a good hackergotchi for planet? http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/686895781917:30
Riddellyuriy: I have a systray icon from telepathy-kde17:30
RiddellI haven't found a reason why telepathy-kde wouldn't be a good candidate for this release yet17:31
apacheloggerRiddell: I'd go with a picture from the other side, otherwise the eye patch might be unrecognisable17:32
yuriyI'm gonna guess that last one is for yofel17:32
yofelwell, now it seems the missing incon in the *panel* is the only issue I have left. So until I figure that out +0 from me17:32
apacheloggeroh, foo, I just used en_gb spelling17:32
apacheloggernext thing you know i'll be using british spelling in code and then I get bug reports17:33
apacheloggeroh noes :(17:33
yofelah, Icon works in systray17:33
Riddellyuriy: it says it's from KDE daemon and only appears when a new chat starts17:33
Riddellso it could be improved17:34
Riddellbut upstream are quite active currently, maybe they can even be convinced to do message indicator support17:34
Riddellany other kde-telepathy testers got an opinion?17:34
shadeslayer_facebook just went into a reload loop on rekonq17:35
Riddellmm, so kde-telepathy wins over rekonq :)17:36
shadeslayer_heh for now yes :P17:37
RiddellI had a rekonq crash today, was doing fine until that17:37
yofelthe *only* crashes I had so far were qtwebkit crashes, mostly by opening a site that had flash somewhere on the page17:38
Riddelldoesn't surprise me17:40
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Riddellqtwebkit 1 is now unmaintained and will go into "compatibility add-on" mode for Qt 517:41
Riddelland webkitkde stuff will need a complete require to use qtwebkit from qt 517:41
shadeslayer_apachelogger: did you get a maintainer for pornon in webkit yet?17:42
shadeslayer_hmm ...17:42
tazzkde-telepathy gtalk / file transfer works well.18:02
Riddelltazz: can you talk to me?18:03
tazzhold on, let me add you.18:03
Riddellyofel: there's also a plasma widget although it seems to be just for status updates not message indicating18:04
schnelleguys, telephaty-kde 03 is BETA release:  http://martys.typepad.com/blog/2012/01/kde-telepathy-03-ninja-released-first-beta.html18:08
schnellei don't think that beta release are good thing for default applications18:09
Riddellschnelle: no but neither are unmaintained apps so it's a choice between two non-ideal candidates18:09
schnelleespecially for lts18:09
apacheloggerat least with the unmaintained app we know what quality/issues to expect18:10
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Riddellapachelogger: yes18:11
Riddellwhich is why we need to find out what quality/issues to expect from kde-telepathy and compare them18:11
apacheloggerthat is: they mostly have been there forever so there is no reason why suddenly they would be super important as to justify swapping around bad software :)18:11
Riddellso far I've found it works better for modern messaging methods like facebook and gmail18:11
Riddellbecause kopete doesn't have a way for non-geek users to use facebook and gmail18:12
* apachelogger points out that only geeks use a desktop client to use those two services :)18:12
apacheloggerif it were highly integrated into the system, which is what I expect from plasma active, it is a different story of couse18:12
apacheloggeranyhow, gotta get out of here or nokia will never let me go ^^18:13
Riddellit is integrated into kde in every way, it's not a monolithic app like kopete18:15
yofelRiddell: did you get any request from me on gmail?18:15
Riddellyofel: nope18:16
Riddellbut you have appeared in my contacts list18:17
Riddellpinging you18:17
Riddellyofel: can you see my messages?18:17
yofelDelivery of the message "well, authorization to see the other person's status" failed because it was too long18:18
yofelgot that with shadeslayer_ too. And happens only with gmail18:18
yofeljabber works, icq works, facebook works18:18
shadeslayer_yahoo works18:18
shadeslayer_logged into yahoo after forever18:18
shadeslayer_even forgot my password18:19
Riddellso bugs yes, and it's maintained so they might get fixed before we release.  kopete has bugs which won't get fixed18:19
RiddellI'm tempted to put it onto the kubuntu CDs and we can demote if before release if we find critical bugs that won't get fixed in time18:19
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tazzRiddell, did you get a request from me ?18:20
Riddelltazz: no it doesn't seem to do requests18:21
Riddelltazz: what's your e-mail?18:21
Riddellyou did appear in my contacts18:21
Riddelltazz: so what was your request?18:22
tazzah ok.. i can see you here now.18:23
Riddellanyone tried bonjour?18:23
Riddellneeds a mac to do the real test :)18:24
Riddelltazz: can you send me a file?18:25
tazzRiddell, nope18:25
Riddelltazz: because the protocol doesn't support it?18:25
* tazz points to shadeslayer_ he uses a mac.18:25
tazzRiddell, the button for sharing files is disabled.18:26
shadeslayer_Never used bonjour though18:26
Riddellfair enough18:26
* tazz was able to send shadeslayer_ a file though.18:26
shadeslayer_want me to reboot?18:26
Riddellshadeslayer_: can you run os X and kubuntu at the same time?18:26
shadeslayer_No VM's etc18:26
Riddellshadeslayer_: bonjour only works on a local network, that's the point of it18:26
shadeslayer_I do have more devices18:27
shadeslayer_I'll look if android has bonjour stuff18:27
Riddellgood idea, dunno what it'll be called though, bonjour is a trademark of apple18:27
Riddelltazz: by the way I have a very important job for you18:27
rbelemshadeslayer_, Riddell, it should work if you use bridge18:27
shadeslayer_local XMPP?18:27
tazzRiddell, yes?18:27
Riddellshadeslayer_: something like that18:27
shadeslayer_or something like that18:27
Riddelltazz: look out for this film being released and help me download it when it is http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1706317/18:27
Riddellit's filmed where I go canoeing lots, and you remind me of it every time I  see your nick :)18:28
shadeslayer_what if18:29
shadeslayer_I install Empathy18:29
shadeslayer_and use Bonjour services on that?18:29
Riddellshadeslayer_: that might work18:29
Riddellor it might not18:29
Riddellit'll use the same telepathy daemon if they're both on the same system18:30
Riddellso still needs two computers18:30
Riddellor VMs etc18:30
shadeslayer_any CLI bonjour IM clients?18:30
RiddellI fear not18:31
Riddellbut kopete doesn't have bonjour at all so it can't be worse at it than kopete is18:31
Riddellmain issue is new contact requests I think18:31
yofelshadeslayer_: does the 'Help' button on the screen where you select the protocol when adding a new account work for you?18:32
* yofel files bug18:32
shadeslayer_seems someone forgot to write documentation :P18:32
shadeslayer_good grief18:32
Riddellit's a kcm, that button will be there by default whether or no there's docs18:32
shadeslayer_krdc is in git18:32
shadeslayer_Riddell: you can override it iirc18:32
yofelshouldn't it still open khelpcenter with a missing page?18:32
shadeslayer_I did it for my KCM18:33
Riddellyofel: maybe18:33
* yofel files bug anyway18:33
RiddellI'm sure we can find more important bugs than that! :)18:34
schnelleI don't don't know what I did but I just crashed it :)18:36
yofelwell, 2 bugs added so far18:42
* yofel added himself to g+18:45
Riddellyofel: a social network I'm yet to find any desire or need for18:47
yofelwell, same how I feel about fb - still have an account there18:47
yofelah wait - fb does have a use, convenient birday reminder18:48
shadeslayer_indeed ^18:48
shadeslayer_something G+ doesn't do yet ;)18:48
shadeslayer_claydoh: good point about new releases18:49
schnelleRiddell, yofel, all: I know how to crash it! :)18:50
claydohshadeslayer_: it is probably the bigger concern18:50
yofelschnelle: backtrace?18:50
claydohother than some  usability niggles18:51
* claydoh hearts it18:51
shadeslayer_claydoh: usability niggles like? 18:51
claydohapachelogger: as to desktop clients, i disagree18:51
Riddellclaydoh: using beta software is risky but so is using unmaintained software18:52
* shadeslayer_ would propose we have a exception for 0.418:52
Riddellworst case telepathy users can use backports, kopete users won't ever get fixes18:52
claydohshadeslayer_: if you left-click the presesnce applet it does not bring up the contact list, as most would assume18:52
shadeslayer_claydoh: actually ... you can configure that18:52
Riddellshadeslayer_: we can update until the end of april18:52
shadeslayer_right click18:52
ScottKRiddell: Making new images isn't very hard if you have someone to tell you the spots you have to touch.  18:52
claydohapachelogger: all, and I mean all my yahoo friends give me a hard time for using my phone for that18:52
* ScottK doesn't recall them all.18:53
Riddellclaydoh: I don't propose adding the presence applet to the panel, it's not very useful yet18:53
schnelleright click on part of the window where you set "away, busy" etc... and then left click anywhere out of window (on desktop or on quassel...), and bang! crash!18:53
schnellecan anyone confirm?18:53
RiddellScottK: see backscroll in #u-release, colin doesn't remember them all either :)18:53
claydohschnelle:  no18:54
shadeslayer_schnelle: in the contact list?18:54
Riddellbut it should be possible to do a kubuntu-active18:54
ScottKRiddell: I'd say recycle the kubuntu-mobile image for it for now and we can rename it later.18:54
shadeslayer_oh yess18:54
shadeslayer_schnelle: reproducable 18:54
RiddellScottK: yes18:54
BluesKajBBL, ..errands 18:55
claydohok schnelle i did get it18:55
schnellei have presence widget in system tray if that matters...18:55
claydohso where does the contact list "go"when you close it? ypu have to manually open it again?18:55
schnellefor me, the biggest minus for telepathy is wierd interface18:56
schnelleyou cannot close it/open it to systray18:56
schnelleyou have to know that you need "contact list telepathy" if you want to use it as messenger... very wierd for me18:57
claydohyes, that is the usability issue18:57
claydohbut I do like it overall18:57
schnelleclaydoh: i think you have to turn on "presence" widget thing in system tray18:58
claydohtho if it is still running in tha vbackground it still works :)18:58
claydohschnelle: yes, already there, nad confugured18:58
claydohbut facebook/gtalk easy to set up is a good plus18:59
ScottKDoes KDE telepathy use akonadi or nepomuk?19:00
Riddellgood question, I'll forward upstream19:01
yofelit doesn't use nepomuk I think, as I've got that disabled and it still works19:01
schnellecan anybody tell me how to close it? (don't tell me go to system monitor :P )19:05
RiddellScottK: 19:06 < d_ed> right now, no.19:07
shadeslayer_schnelle: how to close telepathy kde?19:07
d_edshadeslayer_: log out19:07
ScottKAre there oneiruc packages?19:07
schnelleshadeslayer_: i don't know :)19:07
shadeslayer_no no no19:07
shadeslayer_d_ed: I know that :P19:08
RiddellScottK: should be in the same ~kde-telepathy PPA19:08
shadeslayer_this is all messed up now :P19:08
ScottKOK.  will try in a bit19:08
* claydoh almosr never logs out of im19:08
shadeslayer_schnelle: the idea behind telepathy is to integrate with the entire desktop19:08
shadeslayer_not just IM19:08
Riddelltelepathy should let you transport arbitrary data over IM, that's why krdc wants to use it19:10
schnellewell, i think that 99.9% of people just want to use msn for example and don't care about integration with the rest of desktop19:15
Riddellyeah, until they want to share a file19:15
schnellefor me this alpha/beta telepathy is not ready. i vote for kopete :)19:15
apacheloggerRiddell: kopete did not get any riskier by the appearance of beta software :P19:15
schnellehava a nice evening, i have to learn now :)19:15
d_edschnelle: have you used it?19:15
Riddellschnelle: what makes it not ready?  just the label or something that's actually missing?19:15
apacheloggerif it were a serious concern we'd have looked into empathy or pidgin or something19:15
apacheloggerclaydoh: pardon?19:16
Riddellapachelogger: but this opens up a new option to get rid of unmaintained software which is a risky thing to have on an LTS19:16
apacheloggerclaydoh: yahoo is not a new supreme social im thing :P19:16
claydohapachelogger: you said only geeks stil use a desktop client19:16
apacheloggerRiddell: yes, lts is not for options :P19:16
apacheloggerso telepathy is gambling, kopete is not, kopete it is :P19:17
apacheloggerclaydoh: for services such as google talk and facebook19:17
Riddellapachelogger: kopete is gambling, it's bitrotting and won't be fixed19:17
apacheloggerclaydoh: because they both have excellent online clients and are part of a larger offering19:17
Riddellkde telepathy will only get better before april and offers great new stuff for users19:18
apacheloggerRiddell: there is nothing to bitrot in a lts release!?19:18
Riddellapachelogger: stuff will bitrot, but avoiding stuff that has already been bitrotting for years makes a better start19:18
Riddelld_ed: what do you make of this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005817.html19:19
apacheloggerbitrotting appears when the envrionment changes, and stable release envrionment should not change19:19
Riddellapachelogger: have you heard about networks?19:20
d_edhe's using an outdated version of telepathy-gabble that crashes19:20
Riddellthe environment is MSN etc servers19:20
apacheloggerTCP/IP has not changed in 30000 years :P19:20
apacheloggerRiddell: msn is outsourced to libmsn, which is maintained19:20
d_edonly bug I know about which causes this is having a huuuuuuge avatar19:20
apacheloggerjabber did not change in 1000 years19:20
apacheloggerso the only thing that could potential break is icq19:20
apacheloggerwhich is not used anyway :P19:21
apacheloggerplus they don't have much of a history to break stuff except for the occasional protocl version bump for no good reason19:21
Riddelld_ed: we have telepathy-gabble 0.15.3-1ubuntu1 on precise (development ubuntu), maybe he's on released ubuntu and that's why he has a crash19:21
Riddellapachelogger: jabber needs change all the time as google and facebook etc use it, it needs decent UI to be usable19:22
apacheloggerbringing me back to my point that no one uses google or facebook in a client other than their native envrionments19:22
d_edwell that's opinionated. 19:23
Riddellapachelogger: and I suspect it's not true but we have nothing to base that on19:24
Riddelld_ed: got a reply to this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005819.html19:24
d_edwe do not currently integrate.19:24
d_ed(with message indicator)19:24
debfxthe problem with ktp I see is that upstream probably doesn't have a stable branch (?) so we won't be able to easily pull bugfixes19:25
Riddelld_ed: but with AIM?19:25
Riddelld_ed: and could you be persuaded to integrate with message integrator?19:26
d_edsure. 19:26
Riddelld_ed: sure to which?19:27
d_edwe could persuaded.19:28
d_edwe don't have OTR19:28
d_edand cannot in the really near future19:28
d_edI don't know about AIM.19:30
d_edIt's in the list...19:30
Riddellhe says OTR is the kopete plugin for AIM, so if telepathy does AIM that should be sorted19:31
Riddelland "we could persuaded" proves my case that telepathy-kde is awesome upstream :)19:31
d_edno, OTR = off the record19:32
d_edit's encryption19:32
d_edit's up to you, I think precise + 1 should definitely have us.19:34
d_edI can try and be 1.0 by then (our otherwise 1.0)19:34
Riddellyes precise +1 for sure, but I'm still trying to decide about precise19:36
Riddellfor now I don't see a good reason why not to go with kde-telepathy19:36
claydohRiddell: Just Do It :D19:36
d_edI think you should 0.3 is stable, we're even doign patch releases for it19:36
d_edand maintaining it19:36
felimwhiteleyRiddell: gabble ver. 0.13.5-0ubuntu219:38
Riddellfelimwhiteley: aye precise is on 0.15.3-1ubuntu119:40
* felimwhiteley gets coat19:41
schnelled_ed: crash: right click on part of the window where you set "away, busy" etc... and then left click anywhere out of window (on desktop or on quassel...), 19:42
shadeslayer_I haz backtrace for that19:43
d_edthat's pretty bad19:44
d_edwill be fixed in 0.3.119:44
Riddelld_ed: more questions https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005824.html19:44
d_edwe have no call. no skype19:44
Riddelld_ed: no voice at all?19:45
Riddellbut there's buttons for it in the UI19:45
d_ednot in 0.319:45
d_edah, we have it. Not perfect, so not released19:45
Riddellso Audio Call and Video Call buttons are there for future versions?19:45
shadeslayer_didn't we have a seprate ktp-call-ui repo?19:45
d_eddon't ship that19:46
d_edbut that's why they're there19:46
shadeslayer_yeah :)19:46
claydohwe have working voice in kopete?19:46
d_edif you install the call ui they work19:46
d_edbut it's buggy19:46
ScottKRiddell: kopete doesn't need a plugin for AIM.  OTR is an encryption thingy add-on.19:46
claydohor rather which protocol has voice support in Kpete19:46
d_edwe don't need a plugin for AIM.19:46
ScottKd_ed: So you support AIM, but not with OTR?19:47
d_edwe support AIM, but no OTR anywhere.19:47
shadeslayer_for call we'll also need to package telepathy-yell19:49
shadeslayer_not in the repos so far I think19:49
d_edyeah, and yell should not be packaged19:50
shadeslayer_but then again, that's for future releases19:50
d_edyell is "the unstable repo"19:50
d_ednot the "AV" repo. 19:50
Riddellwhat is AV repo?19:52
Riddellyofel: is kde bug 254430 the one you were thinking might be fixed?19:52
ubottuKDE bug 254430 in kcm_kdm "entering kcm_kdm resets font/style/colors of current session" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25443019:52
d_edsorry, there isn't such a thing19:53
d_edpoint is, don't package yell19:53
asdadddHello, I found a nasty bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/93164519:55
ubottuUbuntu bug 931645 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "K menu button when pressed is misalligned" [Undecided,New]19:55
endless123hello everyone19:57
endless123where can give feed back for telepathy-kde?19:57
Riddellendless123: here is fine19:57
Riddellasdaddd: do you have reason to believe it's kubuntu specific?19:57
asdadddRiddell: I have no way of knowing... 19:58
Riddellasdaddd: then we usually request you report it upstream in the first insance since we like to think we don't add many bugs ourselves19:59
endless123ok cool well I am trying it out on Kubuntu 11.10 with backports and the telepathy-kde team ppa enabled, nonetheless I am asking what kind of information you would like to know about it. Because all I can say is that it works fine, except for some error on the gmail account, but that could be me.  Other than that I see no problems and that is just me, but it looks real native in Kubuntu like its one of the family.20:01
Riddellendless123: we're wanting to find bugs and does it lack and useful features compared to kopete20:05
Riddellif it's got the same features and no worse bugs then we should go for it20:05
ScottKWe've already established it doesn't have the same features.20:05
Riddellright, I'm just informing endless123 20:05
Riddellbut I'm still minded to put it on the CD before feature freeze keeping in mind we may well go back to kopete20:06
ScottKI really don't want us to do the Ubuntu desktop thing of switching to something kind of only half working for an LTS (think pulseaudio by default in Hardy).20:06
Riddellyes I totally agree20:06
ScottKI don't mind having them both on for now.20:07
ScottKThat may even be the right answer as I'd guess older stuff like AIM might not be a priority for them.20:07
endless123the only problem on my end is that the google talk keeps giving a error. Internal component error20:07
endless123upon trying to connect20:08
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endless123using the default configurations20:08
RiddellScottK: that's very un-ubuntu having two apps doing the same thing!20:09
Riddellendless123: on oneiric?20:09
ScottKRiddell: Except the point would be they don't do the same things well.20:09
ScottKRiddell: It's like in the KDE3 days we shipped Kopete and Konversation even though Kopete did IRC.20:10
RiddellScottK: yes, which makes it a tricky choice but still one we should make and not shy away from20:10
Riddellit's like in the old days when I shipped juk and amaraok :)20:10
endless123Kubuntu Oneiric (backports and telepathy-kde ppa enable)20:10
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Riddellendless123: that has an old version of telepathy-gabble which may well affect your gtalk usage20:13
endless123ok then it would be best to test it using a virtual machine running Kubuntu 12.04 instead?20:14
Riddellendless123: sure if you can20:14
endless123OK I will give information later I need to set up the virtual machine until then. Good day everyone20:15
yofelRiddell: no, haven't seen that one yet20:39
Riddellrbelem: new plasma-mobile/active uploaded!20:42
rbelemRiddell, awesome20:43
rbelemRiddell, thanks20:43
rbelemRiddell, i will finish the other packages then i will ping you20:43
Riddellrbelem: what are the other packages?20:44
rbelemRiddell, the others that are in the kubuntu-active ppa20:44
rbelemRiddell, share-like-connect is almost ready20:45
yofelshadeslayer: did you report the telepathy crash? http://paste.kde.org/42183220:45
rbelemRiddell, the other ones needs updating20:45
* shadeslayer was pulled into another discussion20:45
Riddellrbelem: which other ones?20:46
shadeslayeryofel: doing it now20:46
yofeld_ed: when I have the contact list open, right click on the status, then left click outside the window I get this: http://paste.kde.org/42183220:46
d_edI know i'm on it.  Related - if anyone knows how QEvent::Private can be null let me know!20:47
d_edoh, I know how20:48
rbelemRiddell, contour, declarative-plasmoids and kde-artwork-active20:48
shadeslayerd_ed: kde bug 294020 for your viewing pleasure :D20:48
ubottuKDE bug 294020 in contactlist "Contact list crashes when left clicking outside the window" [Crash,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29402020:48
rbelemRiddell, lp:~kubuntu-active/declarative-plasmoids/active-packaging20:50
rbelemRiddell, lp:~kubuntu-active/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-active-seed20:51
shadeslayerNight everyone20:52
rbelemshadeslayer, gn20:52
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rbelemRiddell, ping23:28
Riddellhi rbelem 23:38
rbelemRiddell, did you have time to take a look in the share-like-connect pkg?23:39
Riddellrbelem: oh no, I should have done23:40
Riddellwill do tomorrow23:40
Riddellwhere is that from?23:40
rbelemRiddell, oki :-) so i will improve them all23:40
rbelemRiddell, kubuntu-active ppa23:40

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