| * Kurdistan bed time. take care everyone. | 00:10 | |
| Riddell | yofel: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/pavucontrol.png | 00:15 |
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| yofel | yeah, seen that with gnome-tweak-tool and no working gtk3 theme | 00:16 |
| yofel | it's fine with oxygen-gtk3 | 00:16 |
| * Riddell snoozes | 00:17 | |
| Riddell | afiestas: ^^ | 00:31 |
| afiestas | I just had a mental fart, thought was talking in kubuntu-devel but actually was talking in another channel xD | 00:32 |
| afiestas | Riddell: you are missing some icons as do I | 00:33 |
| Tm_T | yofel: yes I have those in my krandrrc | 04:03 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| djszapi | hi! Does the kde-runtime package (4.8 version) build the plasma components API ? | 07:50 |
| === Kottizen_ is now known as Kottizen | ||
| Riddell | djszapi: it's builds runtime components, as you can find out from the packaging | 09:29 |
| djszapi | Riddell: also plasma active ones, like this ? http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/plasma-qml-apidocs/ | 09:29 |
| Riddell | those are API | 09:30 |
| Riddell | dpkg -L kde-runtime | 09:30 |
| Riddell | dpkg -L kde-runtime-data | 09:30 |
| djszapi | Riddell: porting the kubuntu package to Harmattan. The build is not done yet, but I am gonna check out the contents. | 09:30 |
| djszapi | I know kubuntu used an activity "hack" earlier. | 09:31 |
| djszapi | in the rules file, I think. | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | acitivity hack? | 09:31 |
| Riddell | I don't remember making any changes to activities | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | well, they were hidden from the cashew back in 4.1 or so, due to them being utterly broken and confusing :P | 09:32 |
| apachelogger | scary times those were | 09:32 |
| Riddell | there's a problem plama-desktop's dependencies (or lack of them) on libkactivities6 and libkactivities-bin | 09:32 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: they're still a bad user experience | 09:32 |
| djszapi | apachelogger: yes, double configure. | 09:33 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: not as bad ^^ | 09:33 |
| Riddell | win-tab key and all your windows disappear without any clue what's happened, so nasty | 09:33 |
| Riddell | yofel: ug rekonq is nothing but crash for me now | 09:42 |
| * Riddell tries a dist-upgrade | 09:42 | |
| yofel | Worked for me as long as i keep away from flash | 09:43 |
| djszapi | Riddell: anyway, thanks :) | 09:43 |
| Riddell | djszapi: hmm, kde-runtime: /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_appletscript_declarative.so | 09:46 |
| Riddell | so that file does come from -runtime so maybe you're right | 09:46 |
| djszapi | Riddell: http://paste.xinu.at/H36u/ -> I had this rules file for KDE/4.7 | 09:47 |
| djszapi | there was a separate series-active patch set. | 09:48 |
| djszapi | I am almost pretty sure I got it adopted from ubuntu. | 09:48 |
| Riddell | that might be rbelem's area | 09:49 |
| Riddell | he's been into adding mobile and tablet patches | 09:49 |
| Riddell | djszapi: have you asked ervin or another kde platform guy what other configure flags are available for mobile needs? | 09:50 |
| djszapi | just this platform profile. | 09:50 |
| djszapi | but I can notmart and aseigo | 09:50 |
| djszapi | about plasma active in general | 09:50 |
| Riddell | we're behind in pacakging plasma active at the moment, any patches we've added are probably out of date | 09:51 |
| Riddell | yofel: a dist-upgrade sorted it, must be some abi breakage we didn't catch, not importnat | 10:01 |
| yofel | k | 10:03 |
| yofel | Did someone look at digikam yet? | 10:03 |
| Riddell | no, it's on my todo list but I think I'm wanting to do owncloud today | 10:04 |
| Riddell | or maybe I should work out what calligra needs to compile | 10:04 |
| yofel | For calligra just throw the whole unfunctional marble check out and define it by hand | 10:05 |
| Riddell | gosh I find it really objectionable how google is using their front page to advertise chrome now | 10:06 |
| Riddell | ug new "go" button in rekonq is labeled "load typed URL", that's not remotely user friendly | 10:09 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: they're been doing that for several months quite aggressively now | 10:09 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: what giving bad labels to buttons? | 10:09 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I mean google and chrome ads | 10:21 |
| Tm_T | talking about bad labels, finnish translation of monitor settings talks about printers | 10:22 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: translation issues need working out if it's a bug from launchpad or upstream and reported in the right place | 10:30 |
| Tm_T | yup | 10:31 |
| Tm_T | just noticed that yesterday, haven't had time yet to look from where it comes and who did it | 10:31 |
| Tm_T | although I have an idea | 10:31 |
| Riddell | yofel: think this'll do it? http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=calligra.git&a=commitdiff_plain&h=5e647de09265c4487f9a37d0a50a755abb3cf303 | 10:33 |
| yofel | I'm just trying it, but that failed in neon | 10:34 |
| Riddell | I can't see why it would work, it's just some cmake bits, nothing useful like checking the version of the marble library | 10:35 |
| yofel | same error with official 4.8 | 10:41 |
| Riddell | that compiler line is missing any -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore/ | 10:41 |
| Riddell | so yes this might help set(CMAKE_REQUIRED_INCLUDES ${QT_QTCORE_INCLUDES} | 10:42 |
| yofel | well, it does already have set(CMAKE_REQUIRED_INCLUDES ${QT_QTCORE_INCLUDES} ${QT_QTGUI_INCLUDES}) | 10:42 |
| Riddell | yeah that's why it's weird | 10:43 |
| Riddell | as a quick fix include_directories(/usr/include/qt4/QtCore/) should help | 10:43 |
| Riddell | in the right place | 10:44 |
| yofel | fun | 10:49 |
| yofel | message("includes: ${QT_QTCORE_INCLUDES}") | 10:49 |
| yofel | -> includes: | 10:49 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: what are the rekonq bts? | 10:52 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: bts? | 10:52 |
| apachelogger | backtraces | 10:52 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: no idea, a dist upgrade sorted it so it'll have been an abi issue | 10:52 |
| apachelogger | weird enough | 10:53 |
| Riddell | now it's working fine, not crashed yet | 10:53 |
| Riddell | not dared to use flash yet though | 10:53 |
| Riddell | yofel: I get in the cmake output "-- Performing Test SETMARBLEWIDGET - Failed | 11:05 |
| Riddell | which I guess is what I want | 11:05 |
| yofel | yes, you want that | 11:05 |
| yofel | I'm just trying to find out why the include variables are empty | 11:05 |
| Riddell | mm, some cmake weirdness there, they should be filled in by default when using the KDE cmake stuff | 11:06 |
| yofel | ok, wtf? now I have " -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui", but it still fails with QtCore/QtGlobal: No such file or directory o.O | 11:20 |
| Riddell | umm | 11:22 |
| Riddell | oh then you'll need -I/usr/include/qt4/ | 11:22 |
| Riddell | for QtCore/QtGlobal | 11:22 |
| yofel | *headdesk* | 11:22 |
| Riddell | else it'll be looking for /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/QtCore/QtGlobal | 11:22 |
| yofel | bah, I'm still asleep today | 11:23 |
| yofel | works \o/ | 11:25 |
| Riddell | awooga | 11:25 |
| Riddell | how did you fix | 11:25 |
| Riddell | how did you fix/workaround it? | 11:25 |
| yofel | - set(CMAKE_REQUIRED_INCLUDES ${QT_QTCORE_INCLUDES} ${QT_QTGUI_INCLUDES}) | 11:25 |
| yofel | + set(CMAKE_REQUIRED_INCLUDES ${QT_INCLUDE_DIR}) | 11:25 |
| yofel | someone didn't read the find_package() documentation properly | 11:25 |
| Riddell | hah | 11:26 |
| Kurdistan | I have found intressting bug. when I use my usb bluetooth to send files from laptopt-phone my laptop freeze. | 11:26 |
| Kurdistan | known bug? | 11:26 |
| Kurdistan | it freezes everytime I try. | 11:27 |
| Riddell | no, afiestas has the knowledge in that area | 11:27 |
| Kurdistan | okey. it finds my bluetooth correct and everything, but when I try to send stuff my laptop freeze. | 11:28 |
| Riddell | yofel: are you parallel building calligra or just single CPU build? | 11:29 |
| Riddell | because when I do make -j4 it always stops randomly but make -j1 carries on fine | 11:29 |
| yofel | in neon we build with --parallel, but don't ask me if it really does that | 11:29 |
| Riddell | I don't think that does anything currently | 11:29 |
| yofel | I'll give it a try with -j4 | 11:30 |
| Riddell | I have done, lots, always get errors | 11:30 |
| Riddell | calligra needs to have its CMakeLists files sorted for parallel build then but as we just discovered they're no experts in CMakeLists :) | 11:30 |
| Kurdistan | can it be kernel related or is it kde? | 11:31 |
| yofel | if the OS freezes, kernel | 11:31 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, that was my first thought to. | 11:31 |
| Riddell | Kurdistan: there are many more layers for possible blame | 11:31 |
| Kurdistan | I have tested the different 3.0* kernels and same result | 11:32 |
| yofel | well, kernel if you can't switch to a TTY anymore, and sysrq+reisub doesn't work either | 11:32 |
| Kurdistan | should bug report it then. | 11:33 |
| * yofel replied to the calligra commit mail he got | 11:33 | |
| Kurdistan | but I do not know against what kernel/bluez/graphical driver? | 11:33 |
| yofel | #ubuntu-bugs might help | 11:34 |
| Kurdistan | yofel, let se if they reply. | 11:36 |
| Riddell | hmm | 12:17 |
| Riddell | /home/jr/src/calligra/calligra-2.3.87/active/src/MainWindow.h:27:26: fatal error: kdeclarative.h: No such file or directory | 12:17 |
| Riddell | ah, new build-dep on kdelibs5-experimental-dev | 12:18 |
| === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch | ||
| Kurdistan | yofel, now I have bigger problem. I tried install bluetooth package and bluez-utils something like that | 12:31 |
| Kurdistan | after that bluedevil was installed | 12:31 |
| Kurdistan | now when I try to install bluedevil it does not work | 12:31 |
| Kurdistan | bluedevil was removed sorry. I try to install bluedevil again but does not work. | 12:32 |
| Kurdistan | conflict between kde 4.8.0 and bluedevil version for kubuntu 11.10? | 12:32 |
| Kurdistan | I removed does files installed and wanted to install bluedevil again and now it does not work. | 12:34 |
| Kurdistan | :( | 12:34 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: yofel how do we want to proceed on KDE Telepathy? | 12:53 |
| shadeslayer_ | 0.3 is up for testing, there were a couple of packaging bugs that I fixed later on | 12:54 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: if I test it and I like what I see is it good enough to upload? | 12:55 |
| Kurdistan | trying to build bluedevil-1.3.1 if that will help. | 12:55 |
| Riddell | thanks Kurdistan | 12:55 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: I'd suggest getting a OK from another Kubuntu Dev | 12:55 |
| shadeslayer_ | just to cover all our bases | 12:56 |
| Kurdistan | Riddell, :) building for myself. I do not have any ppa yet. | 12:56 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa | 12:56 |
| shadeslayer_ | The meta package needs a bit of tweaking before a upload | 12:57 |
| shadeslayer_ | i.e. remove all references about telepathy-kde since it never went into the archives | 12:57 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:58 |
| Kurdistan | BluesKaj, hi. | 12:58 |
| BluesKaj | hi Kurdistan | 12:58 |
| Kurdistan | any one that knows if there is conflict between bluedevil-1.2.1 and kde 4.8.0? | 12:59 |
| Kurdistan | bec. I can not install it anymore. | 12:59 |
| Kurdistan | let see if it makes any problem with 1.3.1 | 12:59 |
| BluesKaj | I see 1.2.2 in the repos , as well as 1.9.1 libbluedevil-dev, Kurdistan | 13:02 |
| Kurdistan | BluesKaj, I am using kubuntu 11.10 | 13:03 |
| Kurdistan | I know 12.04 have 1.2.2 | 13:03 |
| BluesKaj | ok | 13:03 |
| Kurdistan | maybe kubuntu backports should have bluedevil 1.2.2 | 13:03 |
| Kurdistan | ? | 13:03 |
| BluesKaj | I assume ppl are using 12.04 , due to this being a devel channel ... suppose i'd better put that assumption aside | 13:05 |
| * apachelogger hasn't used a dev series before beta *ever* :P | 13:06 | |
| Kurdistan | brb | 13:07 |
| shadeslayer_ | I usually upgrade 2 weeks after the first alpha | 13:10 |
| === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback | ||
| rbelem | Riddell, ping | 13:20 |
| BluesKaj | yeah, I'm having trouble with a wireless mouse on my other pc ...it won't move where you want it , moves randomly | 13:20 |
| BluesKaj | wireless USB | 13:21 |
| Riddell | hi rbelem | 13:24 |
| rbelem | Riddell, could you take a look in the plasma-mobile pkg https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+packages | 13:25 |
| rbelem | Riddell, everything should be fine except the debian/copyright that i did not generated yet | 13:25 |
| Riddell | plasma mobile is still developed? | 13:26 |
| rbelem | Riddell, the source package still plasma-mobile but binaries are plasma-acitve | 13:26 |
| rbelem | Riddell, the project name still plasma-mobile in git and cmake | 13:27 |
| Riddell | hmm | 13:27 |
| Riddell | how very confusing of them | 13:28 |
| rbelem | :-D | 13:28 |
| Riddell | rbelem: diff compared to our current package looks good | 13:29 |
| Riddell | rbelem: does it compile and work? | 13:29 |
| agateau | hey, do we have packages for qt5 in a ppa somewhere? | 13:29 |
| Riddell | agateau: no it hasn't been packaged yet | 13:29 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok thanks | 13:30 |
| Riddell | and upstream is yet to make tars or even to work out if it's package-able | 13:30 |
| Riddell | (although dirk has done so for suse so something must be possible) | 13:30 |
| apol | Riddell: can kubuntu make use of it somehow? https://launchpad.net/~tehnick/+archive/kde-gtk-config | 13:30 |
| Riddell | yofel, apachelogger ^^ ? | 13:31 |
| rbelem | Riddell, i will run some stress tests before set it as ready :-D | 13:31 |
| Kurdistan | sorry guys/girls bludevil 1.2.1 is working (package). the reason it did not wanted to get installed was obex-server was removed | 13:32 |
| Riddell | rbelem: feature freeze is on thursday | 13:32 |
| rbelem | Riddell, do you know about any ui testing tool? | 13:32 |
| Riddell | rbelem: no, greyback knows of one but that'll take learning and setup to use | 13:32 |
| Riddell | Testability I think | 13:32 |
| rbelem | Riddell, hum... i will run with the tests then | 13:33 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: yes | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | I do not have my keys with me though | 13:34 |
| * apachelogger is at work | 13:34 | |
| apachelogger | -rwxr-xr-x root/root 9636 2012-02-12 00:36 ./usr/bin/gtk_preview | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | -rwxr-xr-x root/root 5440 2012-02-12 00:36 ./usr/bin/reload_gtk_apps | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | -rwxr-xr-x root/root 9624 2012-02-12 00:36 ./usr/bin/gtk3_preview | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | those are rather generic names | 13:34 |
| yofel | Put it in universe, I don't like how it works, but that's gtk3's fault | 13:37 |
| dantti | rbelem: hey | 13:37 |
| rbelem | dantti, heya :-) | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | yofel: whether you like it does not concern the user much :P :P :P | 13:38 |
| dantti | rbelem: how's things? too busy? | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I do believe it should build with the kde argument in debian/rules | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | as it builds a kcm lib | 13:38 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: kde argument? you mean the pkg-kde include line? | 13:39 |
| dantti | rbelem: how's your samba? wanna samba in this carnaval? :P I need some samba help can do you have some spare time? | 13:39 |
| rbelem | dantti, every thing is going fine :-) my son is taking a lots of my time :-D but it is good time spent | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it is an argument to dh nowadays, is it not? | 13:39 |
| Riddell | yofel: are you still wanting to get gtk theme bits into main or have you given up on that? | 13:39 |
| * apachelogger always copies from another packag e^^ | 13:39 | |
| debfx | why do we need 2 gtk theme KCMs? | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | we don't | 13:40 |
| dantti | rbelem: sure kids take lots of time.. | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | new one is superior -> throw old one away | 13:40 |
| rbelem | dantti, :-D yup i have time | 13:40 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: kde sc still uses the old system of "include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk" a newer way is to use "dh_auto_configure -Skde" as you say | 13:41 |
| apachelogger | neither is what I mean | 13:41 |
| rbelem | dantti, is it related to the kde ui for samba sharing? | 13:41 |
| dantti | rbelem: ok, I'm taking up the print-manager stuff again after a nice idea I had, but one of the missing things are a samba print search, that I really don't have much of an Idea of how it works... | 13:42 |
| dantti | rbelem: what I'd need is that you could take a look at what the system-config-printer does with samba and do it in cpp :D | 13:42 |
| yofel | The user doesn't care about the difference between gtk2 and 3 either | 13:43 |
| debfx | eh, haven't we discussed this whole gtk3 situation already? and done all the work necessary? | 13:43 |
| yofel | we have | 13:43 |
| rbelem | dantti, i can do that in some days i'm finishing the kcm filesharing | 13:44 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: dh $@ --with kde | 13:44 |
| apachelogger | that is the one I meant | 13:44 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: aah | 13:44 |
| rbelem | dantti, im planning to finish it till wed | 13:44 |
| apachelogger | the other stuff is only for SC IIRC | 13:44 |
| apachelogger | or used to be anyway | 13:44 |
| rbelem | dantti, then i can start | 13:44 |
| rbelem | dantti, is it ok? | 13:45 |
| dantti | rbelem: cool, probably till wednesday I'll have finished my changes on it too | 13:45 |
| dantti | rbelem: sure, sounds great... | 13:45 |
| rbelem | :-) | 13:45 |
| dantti | rbelem: not sure if you have a printer but this will be really cool adition to kde :D | 13:45 |
| rbelem | dantti, yeah i think so this is something that really makes a difference for the users | 13:47 |
| Riddell | plasma active on kubuntu! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/active.png | 13:49 |
| Riddell | three cheers to rbelem | 13:49 |
| Riddell | horribly slow with my GPU but | 13:49 |
| debfx | ok, so please let's keep this other gtk kcm out of the archive or if you really want it use a name that's actually distinguishable from the current one | 13:50 |
| rbelem | Riddell, :-D | 13:51 |
| Riddell | debfx: it's another option and might be useful or become useful so I think we should have it in the archive, but a distinguishable would be nice yes | 13:52 |
| Riddell | rbelem: I'm fine to just upload this, with FF on thursday and all | 13:52 |
| rbelem | Riddell, sweet :-) i will run to finish everything asap | 13:54 |
| Riddell | ScottK: how hard is it to make new images for kubuntu active? | 13:55 |
| rbelem | Riddell, i was using a linaro tool to build images | 14:00 |
| Riddell | rbelem: I didn't know you have built images, what's on them? | 14:01 |
| Riddell | it shouldn't be hard to adapt the kubuntu-mobile bits to be kubuntu-active but I don't know if we have enough manpower to do it by thursday or to follow it through after that | 14:02 |
| rbelem | Riddell, just the basics based on kubuntu seed | 14:02 |
| rbelem | Riddell, i think i can do | 14:02 |
| rbelem | Riddell, it will not be perfect but we can improve later | 14:03 |
| * Riddell grumbles as audio stops working on his laptop | 14:16 | |
| Riddell | ah, speakers not turned on, good thing I didn't go with a gut reaction of blaming pulseaudio :) | 14:17 |
| shadeslayer_ | hahaha | 14:19 |
| BluesKaj | Riddell, yeah it's odd how after updtes/upgrades alsa mutes / turns the volume down on some soundcards | 14:20 |
| Riddell | yofel: you still want to get bug 930384 and bug 930112 done and in main? | 14:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 930384 in xsettings-kde (Ubuntu) "[MIR] xsettings-kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930384 | 14:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 930112 in oxygen-gtk3 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] oxygen-gtk3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930112 | 14:20 |
| shadeslayer_ | rbelem: might I suggest copyright helper from : git://anonscm.debian.org/users/modax/copyright-helper.git | 14:21 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer_, nice! thnx | 14:22 |
| shadeslayer_ | rbelem: usage is something like : ./copyright-helper.pl -sc or ./copyright-helper.pl -l /path/to/folder | 14:22 |
| shadeslayer_ | see the last few lines of the file for more args :) | 14:23 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer_, i'm writing one in python | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer_ | heh :P | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer_ | that works pretty good | 14:24 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer_, i will take a look to get some ideas from there :-D | 14:25 |
| shadeslayer_ | :D | 14:25 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer_, i'm using nltk and will convert to dep5 or spdx | 14:26 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer_, and it will be able to update the debian/copyright | 14:27 |
| shadeslayer_ | that's awesome | 14:28 |
| shadeslayer_ | would love something like that | 14:28 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer_, i think i will present it in the next uds | 14:28 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer_, i hate to edit the debian/copyright by hand | 14:29 |
| shadeslayer_ | yeah same here | 14:29 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer_, i really hate, i just do not maintain more packages because of that | 14:30 |
| shadeslayer_ | hehe | 14:30 |
| rbelem | soon we will not do that anymore :-D | 14:31 |
| BluesKaj | is there native kde gui firewall app ? | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | rbelem: you totally hijacked one of fabo's tasks :P | 14:36 |
| rbelem | apachelogger, :-) | 14:36 |
| BluesKaj | we have akde purist who doesn't want to use the cli or gtk for his FW setup | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | BluesKaj: try kde-apps.org | 14:37 |
| rbelem | apachelogger, i talked to him some days ago | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | rbelem: did he shout at you? :P | 14:37 |
| rbelem | apachelogger, nope :-D | 14:38 |
| rbelem | heheeh | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | fabo: you should totally shout more :P | 14:38 |
| * apachelogger huggles everyone and goes back to work | 14:38 | |
| rbelem | :-D | 14:39 |
| yofel | Riddell: yes, or we won't have gtk3 support by default | 14:49 |
| Riddell | yofel: ok then you need to poke mir people | 14:52 |
| Riddell | or I need to ignore mir and just promote them | 14:53 |
| Riddell | or kubuntu packages need demoted to universe | 14:53 |
| yofel | poke where? | 14:53 |
| Riddell | yofel: pitti and mterry for example on #ubuntu-devel | 14:53 |
| yofel | I'll poke pitti then | 14:54 |
| yofel | or mterry, I don't see pitti on ~ubuntu-mir | 14:57 |
| Riddell | oh maybe he moved on | 15:06 |
| apachelogger | now workig on unity-sru | 15:07 |
| Kurdistan | http://imgur.com/vK4bT <<--- error message that I managed to take. | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | Kurdistan: click the tab | 15:11 |
| apachelogger | that windows says nothing | 15:11 |
| Riddell | yay, calligra uploaded. still needs optional build-deps reviewed and who knows if it'll build on ARM | 15:12 |
| yofel | \o/ | 15:12 |
| Kurdistan | apachelogger, :) I did not had time. it crashed after that. | 15:12 |
| Kurdistan | :( this crashes with bluetooth usb when transfering files from/to laptop-phone makes me angry. | 15:13 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: we need to put optional build dep listing into our tooling efforts | 15:13 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes, a README.Kubuntu files with info on them would be a nice practice | 15:14 |
| Kurdistan | crashes/freezes | 15:15 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: that is not what I meant | 15:15 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: have a script to parse a build log for unmet dependencies | 15:16 |
| apachelogger | perhaps get upstream to make their output more machine readable | 15:16 |
| apachelogger | then have a file to blacklist deps we never want etc. | 15:16 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: hmm I disagree, we should automate everything that reliably can be but cmake output and the .deb testing at the end can't be sensibly automated | 15:16 |
| Riddell | yes if upstream had more machine readable output that might be possible | 15:17 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it is not meant for automation | 15:17 |
| apachelogger | but help us be more efficient | 15:17 |
| apachelogger | and not miss deps | 15:17 |
| Riddell | if it's can't be reliably automated then a half-hearted automation attempt means we'd still end up relying on that and missing build-deps | 15:17 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: needs investigation | 15:18 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: for all we care, upstream could simply print ----- dep stats ----\n foo bar blah blah\n ----- dep end ------ | 15:19 |
| Riddell | right | 15:19 |
| apachelogger | if that section is present -> take stuff between start and end, put it on a webpage somewhere, if not -> instruct packager to look at build log & provide link to log | 15:19 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: thing is, not only we need to deal with a larger amount of packages, but every distro does, so making upstream provide easier automatable sources totally makes sense | 15:20 |
| Riddell | yes | 15:21 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: review Kubuntu specific applications for accessibility, fix issues | 15:36 |
| apachelogger | that workitem needs fixing | 15:36 |
| apachelogger | it doesn't really say anything | 15:37 |
| apachelogger | it might as well be 'review kubuntu specific applications for stuff and fix issues with that stuff' | 15:37 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: well check if qt at spi works would be the first step | 15:43 |
| Riddell | and upstream seem to be doing the other step which is review applications | 15:43 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: so the WI is 'check if qt-at-spi is working with our applications'? | 15:47 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes | 15:56 |
| Riddell | well it should be two | 15:56 |
| Riddell | check if qt-at-spi is working | 15:56 |
| Riddell | and check is the applications actually expose useful stuff on at-spi so apps are usable by blind people etc | 15:56 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: not seeing my ping on MSN? | 15:57 |
| shadeslayer_ | nope | 15:57 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: can you see me online? | 15:57 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: yes and I get your ping. I'm on kopete now. | 15:57 |
| shadeslayer_ | hmm | 15:58 |
| shadeslayer_ | weird | 15:58 |
| yofel | oh right | 15:59 |
| * yofel updates telepathy | 15:59 | |
| shadeslayer_ | brb, gotta call someone | 15:59 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: deleted my gtalk account to telepathy, pinging on msn | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer_ | ok | 16:01 |
| Riddell | yofel: are you on msn? | 16:01 |
| yofel | nope, ICQ and jabber | 16:01 |
| Riddell | who's on MSN to test if it works with me? | 16:01 |
| Riddell | oh foo, calligra failed on arm | 16:01 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: am trying to ping you on msn, let me know if it gets through once you've done your call | 16:03 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: nothing :P | 16:03 |
| shadeslayer_ | I can see you online | 16:03 |
| Riddell | hmm, so it is worse than kopete at msn | 16:03 |
| shadeslayer_ | I keep getting (E-mail Address Not Verified) is Available | 16:03 |
| shadeslayer_ | there we go | 16:04 |
| Riddell | ok I'm undecided if it is better or worse than kopete | 16:05 |
| Riddell | !testers | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147 | 16:05 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: can you add em to that? | 16:05 |
| Riddell | testers needed for kde-telepathy | 16:05 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: anything needing done before I upload the telepathy packages? | 16:06 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: yeah, the meta kde package has to be altered a bit | 16:07 |
| Riddell | oh one downside is it uses crappy kde notifications for everything instead of message indicator | 16:07 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: are you able to make that meta-kde-telepathy change today? | 16:09 |
| shadeslayer_ | sure | 16:09 |
| shadeslayer_ | I'll upload it to bzr | 16:09 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: oh is everything in bzr packaging wise? | 16:10 |
| shadeslayer_ | nope, I can do that as well | 16:10 |
| shadeslayer_ | I was planning on doing that tonight | 16:10 |
| shadeslayer_ | makes it easier to upload stuff :) | 16:10 |
| Riddell | no rush, that doesn't block uploading | 16:10 |
| shadeslayer_ | ok | 16:11 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: how's the licencing for the upstream tars? | 16:11 |
| shadeslayer_ | libraries are under LGPL2 | 16:11 |
| Riddell | dantti: kde bug 277640 shows a problem with printing via cups interface, ubuntu has different permissions from other distros | 16:11 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 277640 in general "kde-base/system-config-printer-kde : doesn't ask for root pw" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=277640 | 16:11 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: I mean do all the files have nice licencing headers and COPYING files etc? | 16:11 |
| shadeslayer_ | ah yes | 16:12 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: there's one small licensing issue that's on going with one of the Adium themes though | 16:12 |
| dantti | Riddell: I know that was why I first started to write printe-manager :P I was using Debian at that time.. | 16:12 |
| shadeslayer_ | http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-telepathy/2012-February/005432.html | 16:12 |
| dantti | Riddell: fedora runs that as root | 16:13 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: fixd | 16:13 |
| dantti | Riddell: but why are you telling me? | 16:13 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: why? | 16:14 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: because the previous WI was crap :P | 16:14 |
| apachelogger | dantti: that entirely reminds me that we wanted to make that cpp, no? like you wanted to make it and I was talking alot ;) | 16:14 |
| Riddell | dantti: just incase you come across it with printer-manager at some point. I have no motivation to fix it for s-c-p-k because as far as I can tell it doesn't affect kubuntu | 16:14 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: oh thanks | 16:15 |
| Riddell | dantti: you don't want to just take over maintainership of s-c-p-k I take it? not a python fan? | 16:15 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: so, how come you did not notice the license problems? | 16:16 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: I came to know about it only yesterday | 16:16 |
| dantti | Riddell: yes, I don't, but really after p-m is working I believe you will drop your maintainership too... | 16:16 |
| shadeslayer_ | when I was going through the backlog of email | 16:16 |
| apachelogger | but you packaged kt, no? | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: Didn't read the mailing list recently due to large amounts of work | 16:17 |
| apachelogger | dantti: do you have a wiki page for p-m? what needs doing and whatnot | 16:17 |
| dantti | apachelogger: no, but the list is rather small but not very easy | 16:17 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: my point is ... since you packaged ktp you should have noticed the problems through copyright creation, no? | 16:18 |
| Riddell | dantti: yes | 16:18 |
| apachelogger | dantti: it helps a lot to document things :) | 16:18 |
| dantti | apachelogger: I'm currently refactoring the 2y old code into something really simpler | 16:18 |
| shadeslayer_ | ah | 16:18 |
| apachelogger | mhhh | 16:18 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: true, seems like I missed that script | 16:18 |
| apachelogger | <3 refactoring | 16:18 |
| apachelogger | what I also heart is releases :) | 16:18 |
| dantti | apachelogger: it has a README with most missing thing :P | 16:18 |
| shadeslayer_ | sec | 16:18 |
| apachelogger | dantti: dont mind if I move that to a wiki :P | 16:19 |
| dantti | apachelogger: after I change the core thing (that talks to cups) | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: what script? | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | dantti: ok | 16:19 |
| shadeslayer_ | s/script/HTML file/ | 16:19 |
| kubotu | shadeslayer_: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" | 16:19 |
| dantti | apachelogger: no if you have time pls do, I'm with a bunch of stuff aready on my todo :P | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | I don't have time in particular, I can however try to find a minion | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | don't count on it though | 16:20 |
| * apachelogger is rather bad at finding minions these days | 16:20 | |
| apachelogger | mostly because I am mean and grumpy and ask why licensing issues were not noticed | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | on that note | 16:20 |
| dantti | apachelogger: so why did I decided to revive that thing? last week I thought to myself why not to write a plasmoid for the taks, would just be awesome, and after that I thought wow a KIO would even rock | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: so, any guesses on why that happened? | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | dantti: a KIO for printing? :O | 16:21 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: missed it by chance? | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | u wicked :D | 16:21 |
| dantti | imagine dolphin cups://printers/my_laser/1-job | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: you are making this too easy :P | 16:21 |
| shadeslayer_ | :P | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: we also should try to detect license issues | 16:21 |
| dantti | you delete the file the job is gone... | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | not entirely sure on the heuristics though | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | perhaps something like grep over source for $common_license ... see if copyright lists that license | 16:22 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: I'm like trying to talk to 4-5 people at once, coding and emailing stuff for a exam on the 17th all at the same time | 16:22 |
| apachelogger | that is a close enough check I suppose | 16:22 |
| dantti | apachelogger: or even cooler you click on a job and you can see the .ps preview... | 16:22 |
| apachelogger | dantti: fancy :D | 16:22 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: kde has something for that no? krazy? checking for correct COPYING etc files might be an idea | 16:23 |
| dantti | apachelogger: so, with that maybe I get some attantion to the missing thing that is choose best ppd for a new printer | 16:23 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: but it can't be automated completely | 16:23 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: I am not asking you to justify, I am merely interested in how to try to prevent these things by improving our tools :) | 16:23 |
| Riddell | dantti: is dolphin the best interface to use for printers? | 16:23 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: ah right, well ... copyright, I have *no* idea | 16:23 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: no, it also is a case of trying-to-help packager | 16:23 |
| apachelogger | at best it can help detect slip ups | 16:24 |
| shadeslayer_ | copyright is one of those gray areas in packaging | 16:24 |
| dantti | Riddell: no, but it is cool enough for geeks | 16:24 |
| shadeslayer_ | it's like the lowest priority for me when getting a release out | 16:24 |
| apachelogger | at worst it doesn't do nothing for us | 16:24 |
| dantti | Riddell: it's just an option | 16:24 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: low prio != justification for getting onself into legal trouble though, so we should avoid that very much | 16:25 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it certainly facilitates ui/core separation, which in this day and age is a good thing IMHO :) | 16:25 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: I agree, but I really don't have the slightest idea as to what can be done to fix it | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | perhaps aaron wants to have an own printer UI for spark ^^ | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | I have ideas for automating packaging etc | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: I told jr my idea already :P | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | but they don't include anything for copyright | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | ok | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: it's not about packaging as such, but QA of the packaging | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | right | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | which is quite frankly the more complicated topic | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | unless you people want to replicate OBS and start writing scripts that introduce dependency tree based building | 16:27 |
| shadeslayer_ | well, we could learn by example? how does opensuse, or any other distro do it? | 16:27 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: who is George Kiagia dakis? has he been active recently? | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | FWIW, I would consider this very useful as that way you can indeed have one script to do an entire bundle build ^^ | 16:27 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: yep | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: opensuse is entirely special | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: infact he just fixed some stuff in ktp integration module :D | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: how? | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | OBS makes a lot of things a lot less painful | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer_ | like? | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | dep tracking | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer_ | I'm more interested in copyright stuff | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | plus they have semi-rolling snapshot building via OBS | 16:28 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: so should I keep him as the maintainer in XSBC-Original-Maintainer for the packages? | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: yes | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: they do not care about copyright :P | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | simple as that | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer_ | sigh | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | well | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | not all that much anyway | 16:29 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: he will update the packaging for debian soonish as well btw | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | (all of rpm for that matter) | 16:29 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: remind me again why debian cares about copyright? | 16:30 |
| Riddell | ? because they're debian? same reason why FSF cares about copyright | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | s/copyright/licenses | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | if we do not take floss licenses seroius, how can we expect anyone else to do so? | 16:31 |
| * shadeslayer_ hates opensuse now | 16:31 | |
| apachelogger | if I were a company I would eat up all the gpl code and put it in my binary product | 16:31 |
| shadeslayer_ | they have it easy I tell you | 16:31 |
| * Riddell still has updates to the KDE licencing policy for fonts and web apps to take care of now that RMS has stopped e-mailing him | 16:31 | |
| shadeslayer_ | hah :D | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | then if someone got a problme with that I'd argue that the source distributors themselfs take their license as a joke | 16:31 |
| CIA-42 | [meta-kde-telepathy-0.3.0] Rohan Garg * 1 * (8 files in 3 dirs) Initial packaging | 16:36 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: ktp-accounts-kcm_0.3.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes ready to upload, shall I do this? | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer_ | :D | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer_ | Yes! | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+junk/ubuntu | 16:37 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: lovely, uploading... | 16:39 |
| CIA-42 | [meta-kde-telepathy-0.3.0] Rohan Garg * 2 * debian/control Fix Maintainer and XSBC-Original-Maintainer fields | 16:40 |
| shadeslayer_ | \o/ | 16:40 |
| shadeslayer_ | oh | 16:40 |
| Riddell | uh oh | 16:40 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: best to have started with ktp-common-internals | 16:40 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: hmm? | 16:40 |
| Riddell | oh I'm just going alphabetically, they'll get stuck in new anyway | 16:40 |
| shadeslayer_ | ah heh :D | 16:40 |
| yofel | re, phone call | 16:56 |
| yofel | shadeslayer_: do I need to actually reboot to get telepathy integration manager working? | 17:00 |
| shadeslayer_ | don't think so | 17:00 |
| yofel | hm | 17:01 |
| yofel | systemsettings(2408) KDEDConfig::getServiceStatus: Could not relate module "kded_ktp_integration_module" | 17:01 |
| shadeslayer_ | yofel: it's actually running | 17:01 |
| yofel | kded(1711)/kdecore (services) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "kded/ktp_integration_module.desktop" not found | 17:01 |
| shadeslayer_ | yeah | 17:01 |
| shadeslayer_ | yofel: try this in a console : qdbus org.kde.kded | grep ktp | 17:01 |
| shadeslayer_ | I'll add the patch to the integration packaging | 17:01 |
| yofel | ok, it is running indeed | 17:01 |
| yofel | and I still have no panel icon | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer_ | wouldn't have the foggiest idea | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer_ | yofel: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/network/telepathy/ktp-kded-module/repository/revisions/0f4e68c2644995a6ffeacfda458da2417c0929bf/diff/kded_ktp_integration_module.desktop fixes it | 17:02 |
| yofel | well, rign now, you'll get a -1 from me to replace kopete with that | 17:03 |
| yofel | s/rign/right/ | 17:03 |
| kubotu | yofel meant: "well, right now, you'll get a -1 from me to replace kopete with that" | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer_ | yeah, idk why you have so many issues | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell had issues with just MSN, and that too got resolved after a couple of minutes | 17:03 |
| yofel | I'll try it in a VM later when I have time to see if a clean setup help | 17:03 |
| yofel | s | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer_ | yofel: #kde-telepathy might be able to help with the icon issue | 17:04 |
| Riddell | I had some sort of panel icon pop up, and it's heavy on the notifications | 17:04 |
| shadeslayer_ | heh yeah :D | 17:04 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: these packages have .install files even when not needed | 17:18 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: just following upstream debian | 17:18 |
| Riddell | pass on to upstream debian that having a .install file with just usr/* in it is pointless :) | 17:18 |
| shadeslayer_ | we need them in some cases, but apachelogger did mention this | 17:18 |
| shadeslayer_ | yeah :) | 17:18 |
| Riddell | upstream debian is George K ? | 17:19 |
| shadeslayer_ | yeah | 17:19 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: but the packages aren't in unstable or experimental yet. does he host them somewhere? | 17:20 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: uh yeah, they're not released yet, they're in a git repo tho | 17:20 |
| shadeslayer_ | sec | 17:20 |
| Riddell | right | 17:20 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-extras/kde-telepathy/ktp-common-internals.git;a=summary | 17:21 |
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| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: have you uploaded the integration module? | 17:23 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: I don't think so | 17:23 |
| shadeslayer_ | okay, I just uploaded a new build with a patch | 17:24 |
| yuriy | I updated and rebooted and my display settings were restored this time :) | 17:24 |
| Riddell | yuriy: yay, what did you fix? | 17:24 |
| shadeslayer_ | off to study I am | 17:25 |
| shadeslayer_ | cya | 17:25 |
| Riddell | good luck | 17:26 |
| yuriy | Riddell: I didn't do anything, I figured one of you did | 17:26 |
| yuriy | Riddell: how are you btw? I hope things are getting better since the accident | 17:26 |
| Riddell | hmm, not I (who probably broke it in the first place) | 17:26 |
| Riddell | yuriy: feeling better today thanks (now I'm a canoe polo champion). brain appointment tomorrow but I think they'll just say "you're doing fine, carry on" | 17:27 |
| yuriy | good to hear | 17:28 |
| Riddell | and I have a sparkly eye patch now, I expect that helps a lot | 17:29 |
| Riddell | would this make a good hackergotchi for planet? http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/6868957819 | 17:30 |
| Riddell | yuriy: I have a systray icon from telepathy-kde | 17:30 |
| Riddell | I haven't found a reason why telepathy-kde wouldn't be a good candidate for this release yet | 17:31 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I'd go with a picture from the other side, otherwise the eye patch might be unrecognisable | 17:32 |
| yuriy | I'm gonna guess that last one is for yofel | 17:32 |
| yofel | well, now it seems the missing incon in the *panel* is the only issue I have left. So until I figure that out +0 from me | 17:32 |
| apachelogger | oh, foo, I just used en_gb spelling | 17:32 |
| apachelogger | next thing you know i'll be using british spelling in code and then I get bug reports | 17:33 |
| apachelogger | oh noes :( | 17:33 |
| yofel | ah, Icon works in systray | 17:33 |
| yofel | s/+0/+1/ | 17:33 |
| Riddell | yuriy: it says it's from KDE daemon and only appears when a new chat starts | 17:33 |
| Riddell | so it could be improved | 17:34 |
| Riddell | but upstream are quite active currently, maybe they can even be convinced to do message indicator support | 17:34 |
| Riddell | any other kde-telepathy testers got an opinion? | 17:34 |
| shadeslayer_ | facebook just went into a reload loop on rekonq | 17:35 |
| Riddell | mm, so kde-telepathy wins over rekonq :) | 17:36 |
| shadeslayer_ | heh for now yes :P | 17:37 |
| Riddell | I had a rekonq crash today, was doing fine until that | 17:37 |
| yofel | the *only* crashes I had so far were qtwebkit crashes, mostly by opening a site that had flash somewhere on the page | 17:38 |
| Riddell | doesn't surprise me | 17:40 |
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| Riddell | qtwebkit 1 is now unmaintained and will go into "compatibility add-on" mode for Qt 5 | 17:41 |
| Riddell | and webkitkde stuff will need a complete require to use qtwebkit from qt 5 | 17:41 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: did you get a maintainer for pornon in webkit yet? | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | no | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer_ | hmm ... | 17:42 |
| tazz | kde-telepathy gtalk / file transfer works well. | 18:02 |
| Riddell | tazz: can you talk to me? | 18:03 |
| Riddell | riddell@gmail | 18:03 |
| tazz | hold on, let me add you. | 18:03 |
| Riddell | yofel: there's also a plasma widget although it seems to be just for status updates not message indicating | 18:04 |
| schnelle | guys, telephaty-kde 03 is BETA release: http://martys.typepad.com/blog/2012/01/kde-telepathy-03-ninja-released-first-beta.html | 18:08 |
| schnelle | i don't think that beta release are good thing for default applications | 18:09 |
| schnelle | *releases | 18:09 |
| Riddell | schnelle: no but neither are unmaintained apps so it's a choice between two non-ideal candidates | 18:09 |
| schnelle | especially for lts | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | at least with the unmaintained app we know what quality/issues to expect | 18:10 |
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| Riddell | apachelogger: yes | 18:11 |
| Riddell | which is why we need to find out what quality/issues to expect from kde-telepathy and compare them | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | that is: they mostly have been there forever so there is no reason why suddenly they would be super important as to justify swapping around bad software :) | 18:11 |
| Riddell | so far I've found it works better for modern messaging methods like facebook and gmail | 18:11 |
| Riddell | because kopete doesn't have a way for non-geek users to use facebook and gmail | 18:12 |
| * apachelogger points out that only geeks use a desktop client to use those two services :) | 18:12 | |
| Riddell | aye | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | if it were highly integrated into the system, which is what I expect from plasma active, it is a different story of couse | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | anyhow, gotta get out of here or nokia will never let me go ^^ | 18:13 |
| Riddell | it is integrated into kde in every way, it's not a monolithic app like kopete | 18:15 |
| yofel | Riddell: did you get any request from me on gmail? | 18:15 |
| Riddell | yofel: nope | 18:16 |
| Riddell | but you have appeared in my contacts list | 18:17 |
| Riddell | pinging you | 18:17 |
| Riddell | yofel: can you see my messages? | 18:17 |
| yofel | *headdesk* | 18:17 |
| yofel | yeah | 18:17 |
| yofel | but | 18:18 |
| yofel | Delivery of the message "well, authorization to see the other person's status" failed because it was too long | 18:18 |
| Riddell | hmm | 18:18 |
| yofel | got that with shadeslayer_ too. And happens only with gmail | 18:18 |
| shadeslayer_ | 0.o | 18:18 |
| yofel | jabber works, icq works, facebook works | 18:18 |
| shadeslayer_ | yahoo works | 18:18 |
| shadeslayer_ | logged into yahoo after forever | 18:18 |
| shadeslayer_ | even forgot my password | 18:19 |
| Riddell | so bugs yes, and it's maintained so they might get fixed before we release. kopete has bugs which won't get fixed | 18:19 |
| Riddell | I'm tempted to put it onto the kubuntu CDs and we can demote if before release if we find critical bugs that won't get fixed in time | 18:19 |
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| tazz | Riddell, did you get a request from me ? | 18:20 |
| Riddell | tazz: no it doesn't seem to do requests | 18:21 |
| Riddell | tazz: what's your e-mail? | 18:21 |
| tazz | gaurav.p.chaturvedi@gmail | 18:21 |
| Riddell | pinging | 18:21 |
| Riddell | you did appear in my contacts | 18:21 |
| Riddell | tazz: so what was your request? | 18:22 |
| tazz | ah ok.. i can see you here now. | 18:23 |
| Riddell | anyone tried bonjour? | 18:23 |
| Riddell | needs a mac to do the real test :) | 18:24 |
| Riddell | tazz: can you send me a file? | 18:25 |
| tazz | Riddell, nope | 18:25 |
| Riddell | tazz: because the protocol doesn't support it? | 18:25 |
| * tazz points to shadeslayer_ he uses a mac. | 18:25 | |
| shadeslayer_ | yeah | 18:25 |
| tazz | Riddell, the button for sharing files is disabled. | 18:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | Never used bonjour though | 18:26 |
| Riddell | fair enough | 18:26 |
| * tazz was able to send shadeslayer_ a file though. | 18:26 | |
| shadeslayer_ | want me to reboot? | 18:26 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: can you run os X and kubuntu at the same time? | 18:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | nope | 18:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | :P | 18:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | No VM's etc | 18:26 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: bonjour only works on a local network, that's the point of it | 18:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | ah | 18:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | derp | 18:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | well | 18:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | I do have more devices | 18:27 |
| shadeslayer_ | I'll look if android has bonjour stuff | 18:27 |
| Riddell | good idea, dunno what it'll be called though, bonjour is a trademark of apple | 18:27 |
| Riddell | tazz: by the way I have a very important job for you | 18:27 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer_, Riddell, it should work if you use bridge | 18:27 |
| shadeslayer_ | local XMPP? | 18:27 |
| tazz | Riddell, yes? | 18:27 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: something like that | 18:27 |
| shadeslayer_ | or something like that | 18:27 |
| Riddell | tazz: look out for this film being released and help me download it when it is http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1706317/ | 18:27 |
| Riddell | it's filmed where I go canoeing lots, and you remind me of it every time I see your nick :) | 18:28 |
| tazz | ah! | 18:29 |
| shadeslayer_ | hmm | 18:29 |
| shadeslayer_ | what if | 18:29 |
| shadeslayer_ | I install Empathy | 18:29 |
| shadeslayer_ | and use Bonjour services on that? | 18:29 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: that might work | 18:29 |
| Riddell | or it might not | 18:29 |
| shadeslayer_ | heh | 18:29 |
| Riddell | it'll use the same telepathy daemon if they're both on the same system | 18:30 |
| Riddell | so still needs two computers | 18:30 |
| Riddell | or VMs etc | 18:30 |
| shadeslayer_ | any CLI bonjour IM clients? | 18:30 |
| shadeslayer_ | :P | 18:30 |
| Riddell | I fear not | 18:31 |
| Riddell | but kopete doesn't have bonjour at all so it can't be worse at it than kopete is | 18:31 |
| Riddell | main issue is new contact requests I think | 18:31 |
| shadeslayer_ | oh | 18:32 |
| yofel | shadeslayer_: does the 'Help' button on the screen where you select the protocol when adding a new account work for you? | 18:32 |
| shadeslayer_ | heh | 18:32 |
| shadeslayer_ | nop | 18:32 |
| shadeslayer_ | *nope | 18:32 |
| * yofel files bug | 18:32 | |
| shadeslayer_ | seems someone forgot to write documentation :P | 18:32 |
| shadeslayer_ | good grief | 18:32 |
| Riddell | it's a kcm, that button will be there by default whether or no there's docs | 18:32 |
| shadeslayer_ | krdc is in git | 18:32 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: you can override it iirc | 18:32 |
| yofel | shouldn't it still open khelpcenter with a missing page? | 18:32 |
| Riddell | yes | 18:32 |
| shadeslayer_ | I did it for my KCM | 18:33 |
| Riddell | yofel: maybe | 18:33 |
| * yofel files bug anyway | 18:33 | |
| Riddell | I'm sure we can find more important bugs than that! :) | 18:34 |
| schnelle | I don't don't know what I did but I just crashed it :) | 18:36 |
| yofel | well, 2 bugs added so far | 18:42 |
| * yofel added himself to g+ | 18:45 | |
| Riddell | yofel: a social network I'm yet to find any desire or need for | 18:47 |
| yofel | well, same how I feel about fb - still have an account there | 18:47 |
| yofel | ah wait - fb does have a use, convenient birday reminder | 18:48 |
| yofel | *birthday | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer_ | indeed ^ | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer_ | something G+ doesn't do yet ;) | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer_ | claydoh: good point about new releases | 18:49 |
| schnelle | Riddell, yofel, all: I know how to crash it! :) | 18:50 |
| claydoh | shadeslayer_: it is probably the bigger concern | 18:50 |
| yofel | schnelle: backtrace? | 18:50 |
| claydoh | other than some usability niggles | 18:51 |
| * claydoh hearts it | 18:51 | |
| shadeslayer_ | :D | 18:51 |
| shadeslayer_ | claydoh: usability niggles like? | 18:51 |
| claydoh | apachelogger: as to desktop clients, i disagree | 18:51 |
| Riddell | claydoh: using beta software is risky but so is using unmaintained software | 18:52 |
| * shadeslayer_ would propose we have a exception for 0.4 | 18:52 | |
| Riddell | worst case telepathy users can use backports, kopete users won't ever get fixes | 18:52 |
| claydoh | shadeslayer_: if you left-click the presesnce applet it does not bring up the contact list, as most would assume | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer_ | claydoh: actually ... you can configure that | 18:52 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: we can update until the end of april | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer_ | right click | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer_ | :D | 18:52 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Making new images isn't very hard if you have someone to tell you the spots you have to touch. | 18:52 |
| claydoh | apachelogger: all, and I mean all my yahoo friends give me a hard time for using my phone for that | 18:52 |
| * ScottK doesn't recall them all. | 18:53 | |
| Riddell | claydoh: I don't propose adding the presence applet to the panel, it's not very useful yet | 18:53 |
| schnelle | right click on part of the window where you set "away, busy" etc... and then left click anywhere out of window (on desktop or on quassel...), and bang! crash! | 18:53 |
| schnelle | can anyone confirm? | 18:53 |
| Riddell | ScottK: see backscroll in #u-release, colin doesn't remember them all either :) | 18:53 |
| claydoh | schnelle: no | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer_ | schnelle: in the contact list? | 18:54 |
| Riddell | but it should be possible to do a kubuntu-active | 18:54 |
| schnelle | yes | 18:54 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I'd say recycle the kubuntu-mobile image for it for now and we can rename it later. | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer_ | oh yess | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer_ | schnelle: reproducable | 18:54 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yes | 18:54 |
| BluesKaj | BBL, ..errands | 18:55 |
| claydoh | ok schnelle i did get it | 18:55 |
| schnelle | i have presence widget in system tray if that matters... | 18:55 |
| claydoh | so where does the contact list "go"when you close it? ypu have to manually open it again? | 18:55 |
| schnelle | for me, the biggest minus for telepathy is wierd interface | 18:56 |
| schnelle | you cannot close it/open it to systray | 18:56 |
| schnelle | you have to know that you need "contact list telepathy" if you want to use it as messenger... very wierd for me | 18:57 |
| claydoh | yes, that is the usability issue | 18:57 |
| claydoh | but I do like it overall | 18:57 |
| schnelle | claydoh: i think you have to turn on "presence" widget thing in system tray | 18:58 |
| claydoh | tho if it is still running in tha vbackground it still works :) | 18:58 |
| claydoh | schnelle: yes, already there, nad confugured | 18:58 |
| claydoh | but facebook/gtalk easy to set up is a good plus | 18:59 |
| ScottK | Does KDE telepathy use akonadi or nepomuk? | 19:00 |
| Riddell | good question, I'll forward upstream | 19:01 |
| yofel | it doesn't use nepomuk I think, as I've got that disabled and it still works | 19:01 |
| schnelle | can anybody tell me how to close it? (don't tell me go to system monitor :P ) | 19:05 |
| Riddell | ScottK: 19:06 < d_ed> right now, no. | 19:07 |
| shadeslayer_ | schnelle: how to close telepathy kde? | 19:07 |
| ScottK | thanks | 19:07 |
| d_ed | shadeslayer_: log out | 19:07 |
| ScottK | Are there oneiruc packages? | 19:07 |
| schnelle | shadeslayer_: i don't know :) | 19:07 |
| shadeslayer_ | no no no | 19:07 |
| shadeslayer_ | d_ed: I know that :P | 19:08 |
| Riddell | ScottK: should be in the same ~kde-telepathy PPA | 19:08 |
| shadeslayer_ | this is all messed up now :P | 19:08 |
| ScottK | OK. will try in a bit | 19:08 |
| * claydoh almosr never logs out of im | 19:08 | |
| claydoh | hmm | 19:08 |
| shadeslayer_ | schnelle: the idea behind telepathy is to integrate with the entire desktop | 19:08 |
| shadeslayer_ | not just IM | 19:08 |
| Riddell | telepathy should let you transport arbitrary data over IM, that's why krdc wants to use it | 19:10 |
| shadeslayer_ | yep | 19:10 |
| schnelle | well, i think that 99.9% of people just want to use msn for example and don't care about integration with the rest of desktop | 19:15 |
| Riddell | yeah, until they want to share a file | 19:15 |
| schnelle | for me this alpha/beta telepathy is not ready. i vote for kopete :) | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: kopete did not get any riskier by the appearance of beta software :P | 19:15 |
| schnelle | hava a nice evening, i have to learn now :) | 19:15 |
| d_ed | schnelle: have you used it? | 19:15 |
| schnelle | bye | 19:15 |
| Riddell | schnelle: what makes it not ready? just the label or something that's actually missing? | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | if it were a serious concern we'd have looked into empathy or pidgin or something | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: pardon? | 19:16 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: but this opens up a new option to get rid of unmaintained software which is a risky thing to have on an LTS | 19:16 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: yahoo is not a new supreme social im thing :P | 19:16 |
| claydoh | apachelogger: you said only geeks stil use a desktop client | 19:16 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: yes, lts is not for options :P | 19:16 |
| apachelogger | so telepathy is gambling, kopete is not, kopete it is :P | 19:17 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: for services such as google talk and facebook | 19:17 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: kopete is gambling, it's bitrotting and won't be fixed | 19:17 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: because they both have excellent online clients and are part of a larger offering | 19:17 |
| Riddell | kde telepathy will only get better before april and offers great new stuff for users | 19:18 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: there is nothing to bitrot in a lts release!? | 19:18 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: stuff will bitrot, but avoiding stuff that has already been bitrotting for years makes a better start | 19:18 |
| Riddell | d_ed: what do you make of this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005817.html | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | bitrotting appears when the envrionment changes, and stable release envrionment should not change | 19:19 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: have you heard about networks? | 19:20 |
| d_ed | he's using an outdated version of telepathy-gabble that crashes | 19:20 |
| Riddell | the environment is MSN etc servers | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | TCP/IP has not changed in 30000 years :P | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: msn is outsourced to libmsn, which is maintained | 19:20 |
| d_ed | only bug I know about which causes this is having a huuuuuuge avatar | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | jabber did not change in 1000 years | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | so the only thing that could potential break is icq | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | which is not used anyway :P | 19:21 |
| apachelogger | plus they don't have much of a history to break stuff except for the occasional protocl version bump for no good reason | 19:21 |
| Riddell | d_ed: we have telepathy-gabble 0.15.3-1ubuntu1 on precise (development ubuntu), maybe he's on released ubuntu and that's why he has a crash | 19:21 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: jabber needs change all the time as google and facebook etc use it, it needs decent UI to be usable | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | bringing me back to my point that no one uses google or facebook in a client other than their native envrionments | 19:22 |
| d_ed | well that's opinionated. | 19:23 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: and I suspect it's not true but we have nothing to base that on | 19:24 |
| Riddell | d_ed: got a reply to this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005819.html | 19:24 |
| d_ed | we do not currently integrate. | 19:24 |
| d_ed | (with message indicator) | 19:24 |
| debfx | the problem with ktp I see is that upstream probably doesn't have a stable branch (?) so we won't be able to easily pull bugfixes | 19:25 |
| Riddell | d_ed: but with AIM? | 19:25 |
| Riddell | d_ed: and could you be persuaded to integrate with message integrator? | 19:26 |
| d_ed | sure. | 19:26 |
| Riddell | d_ed: sure to which? | 19:27 |
| d_ed | we could persuaded. | 19:28 |
| d_ed | we don't have OTR | 19:28 |
| d_ed | and cannot in the really near future | 19:28 |
| d_ed | I don't know about AIM. | 19:30 |
| d_ed | It's in the list... | 19:30 |
| Riddell | he says OTR is the kopete plugin for AIM, so if telepathy does AIM that should be sorted | 19:31 |
| Riddell | and "we could persuaded" proves my case that telepathy-kde is awesome upstream :) | 19:31 |
| d_ed | no, OTR = off the record | 19:32 |
| d_ed | it's encryption | 19:32 |
| d_ed | it's up to you, I think precise + 1 should definitely have us. | 19:34 |
| d_ed | I can try and be 1.0 by then (our otherwise 1.0) | 19:34 |
| Riddell | yes precise +1 for sure, but I'm still trying to decide about precise | 19:36 |
| Riddell | for now I don't see a good reason why not to go with kde-telepathy | 19:36 |
| claydoh | Riddell: Just Do It :D | 19:36 |
| d_ed | I think you should 0.3 is stable, we're even doign patch releases for it | 19:36 |
| d_ed | and maintaining it | 19:36 |
| Riddell | lovely | 19:37 |
| felimwhiteley | Riddell: gabble ver. 0.13.5-0ubuntu2 | 19:38 |
| Riddell | felimwhiteley: aye precise is on 0.15.3-1ubuntu1 | 19:40 |
| felimwhiteley | righto... | 19:41 |
| * felimwhiteley gets coat | 19:41 | |
| schnelle | d_ed: crash: right click on part of the window where you set "away, busy" etc... and then left click anywhere out of window (on desktop or on quassel...), | 19:42 |
| shadeslayer_ | I haz backtrace for that | 19:43 |
| shadeslayer_ | http://paste.kde.org/421790/ | 19:43 |
| d_ed | that's pretty bad | 19:44 |
| d_ed | will be fixed in 0.3.1 | 19:44 |
| Riddell | d_ed: more questions https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005824.html | 19:44 |
| d_ed | we have no call. no skype | 19:44 |
| Riddell | d_ed: no voice at all? | 19:45 |
| Riddell | but there's buttons for it in the UI | 19:45 |
| d_ed | not in 0.3 | 19:45 |
| d_ed | ah, we have it. Not perfect, so not released | 19:45 |
| Riddell | so Audio Call and Video Call buttons are there for future versions? | 19:45 |
| shadeslayer_ | didn't we have a seprate ktp-call-ui repo? | 19:45 |
| d_ed | don't ship that | 19:46 |
| d_ed | but that's why they're there | 19:46 |
| shadeslayer_ | yeah :) | 19:46 |
| claydoh | we have working voice in kopete? | 19:46 |
| d_ed | if you install the call ui they work | 19:46 |
| d_ed | but it's buggy | 19:46 |
| ScottK | Riddell: kopete doesn't need a plugin for AIM. OTR is an encryption thingy add-on. | 19:46 |
| claydoh | or rather which protocol has voice support in Kpete | 19:46 |
| d_ed | we don't need a plugin for AIM. | 19:46 |
| ScottK | d_ed: So you support AIM, but not with OTR? | 19:47 |
| d_ed | yeah | 19:47 |
| d_ed | we support AIM, but no OTR anywhere. | 19:47 |
| shadeslayer_ | for call we'll also need to package telepathy-yell | 19:49 |
| shadeslayer_ | not in the repos so far I think | 19:49 |
| d_ed | yeah, and yell should not be packaged | 19:50 |
| shadeslayer_ | but then again, that's for future releases | 19:50 |
| d_ed | yell is "the unstable repo" | 19:50 |
| shadeslayer_ | :D | 19:50 |
| d_ed | not the "AV" repo. | 19:50 |
| Riddell | what is AV repo? | 19:52 |
| Riddell | yofel: is kde bug 254430 the one you were thinking might be fixed? | 19:52 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 254430 in kcm_kdm "entering kcm_kdm resets font/style/colors of current session" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254430 | 19:52 |
| d_ed | sorry, there isn't such a thing | 19:53 |
| d_ed | point is, don't package yell | 19:53 |
| asdaddd | Hello, I found a nasty bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/931645 | 19:55 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 931645 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "K menu button when pressed is misalligned" [Undecided,New] | 19:55 |
| endless123 | hello everyone | 19:57 |
| endless123 | where can give feed back for telepathy-kde? | 19:57 |
| Riddell | endless123: here is fine | 19:57 |
| Riddell | asdaddd: do you have reason to believe it's kubuntu specific? | 19:57 |
| asdaddd | Riddell: I have no way of knowing... | 19:58 |
| Riddell | asdaddd: then we usually request you report it upstream in the first insance since we like to think we don't add many bugs ourselves | 19:59 |
| endless123 | ok cool well I am trying it out on Kubuntu 11.10 with backports and the telepathy-kde team ppa enabled, nonetheless I am asking what kind of information you would like to know about it. Because all I can say is that it works fine, except for some error on the gmail account, but that could be me. Other than that I see no problems and that is just me, but it looks real native in Kubuntu like its one of the family. | 20:01 |
| Riddell | endless123: we're wanting to find bugs and does it lack and useful features compared to kopete | 20:05 |
| Riddell | if it's got the same features and no worse bugs then we should go for it | 20:05 |
| ScottK | We've already established it doesn't have the same features. | 20:05 |
| Riddell | right, I'm just informing endless123 | 20:05 |
| ScottK | OK. | 20:06 |
| Riddell | but I'm still minded to put it on the CD before feature freeze keeping in mind we may well go back to kopete | 20:06 |
| ScottK | I really don't want us to do the Ubuntu desktop thing of switching to something kind of only half working for an LTS (think pulseaudio by default in Hardy). | 20:06 |
| Riddell | yes I totally agree | 20:06 |
| ScottK | I don't mind having them both on for now. | 20:07 |
| ScottK | That may even be the right answer as I'd guess older stuff like AIM might not be a priority for them. | 20:07 |
| endless123 | the only problem on my end is that the google talk keeps giving a error. Internal component error | 20:07 |
| endless123 | upon trying to connect | 20:08 |
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| endless123 | using the default configurations | 20:08 |
| Riddell | ScottK: that's very un-ubuntu having two apps doing the same thing! | 20:09 |
| Riddell | endless123: on oneiric? | 20:09 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Except the point would be they don't do the same things well. | 20:09 |
| ScottK | Riddell: It's like in the KDE3 days we shipped Kopete and Konversation even though Kopete did IRC. | 20:10 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yes, which makes it a tricky choice but still one we should make and not shy away from | 20:10 |
| Riddell | it's like in the old days when I shipped juk and amaraok :) | 20:10 |
| endless123 | Kubuntu Oneiric (backports and telepathy-kde ppa enable) | 20:10 |
| endless123 | Oneiric | 20:10 |
| === koolhead17 is now known as koolhead17|zzZZ | ||
| Riddell | endless123: that has an old version of telepathy-gabble which may well affect your gtalk usage | 20:13 |
| endless123 | ok then it would be best to test it using a virtual machine running Kubuntu 12.04 instead? | 20:14 |
| Riddell | endless123: sure if you can | 20:14 |
| endless123 | OK I will give information later I need to set up the virtual machine until then. Good day everyone | 20:15 |
| yofel | Riddell: no, haven't seen that one yet | 20:39 |
| Riddell | rbelem: new plasma-mobile/active uploaded! | 20:42 |
| rbelem | Riddell, awesome | 20:43 |
| rbelem | Riddell, thanks | 20:43 |
| rbelem | Riddell, i will finish the other packages then i will ping you | 20:43 |
| Riddell | rbelem: what are the other packages? | 20:44 |
| rbelem | Riddell, the others that are in the kubuntu-active ppa | 20:44 |
| rbelem | Riddell, share-like-connect is almost ready | 20:45 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: did you report the telepathy crash? http://paste.kde.org/421832 | 20:45 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 20:45 |
| rbelem | Riddell, the other ones needs updating | 20:45 |
| * shadeslayer was pulled into another discussion | 20:45 | |
| Riddell | rbelem: which other ones? | 20:46 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: doing it now | 20:46 |
| yofel | d_ed: when I have the contact list open, right click on the status, then left click outside the window I get this: http://paste.kde.org/421832 | 20:46 |
| d_ed | I know i'm on it. Related - if anyone knows how QEvent::Private can be null let me know! | 20:47 |
| d_ed | oh, I know how | 20:48 |
| d_ed | maybe... | 20:48 |
| rbelem | Riddell, contour, declarative-plasmoids and kde-artwork-active | 20:48 |
| shadeslayer | d_ed: kde bug 294020 for your viewing pleasure :D | 20:48 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 294020 in contactlist "Contact list crashes when left clicking outside the window" [Crash,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294020 | 20:48 |
| rbelem | Riddell, lp:~kubuntu-active/declarative-plasmoids/active-packaging | 20:50 |
| rbelem | Riddell, lp:~kubuntu-active/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-active-seed | 20:51 |
| shadeslayer | Night everyone | 20:52 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer, gn | 20:52 |
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| rbelem | Riddell, ping | 23:28 |
| Riddell | hi rbelem | 23:38 |
| rbelem | Riddell, did you have time to take a look in the share-like-connect pkg? | 23:39 |
| Riddell | rbelem: oh no, I should have done | 23:40 |
| Riddell | will do tomorrow | 23:40 |
| Riddell | where is that from? | 23:40 |
| rbelem | Riddell, oki :-) so i will improve them all | 23:40 |
| rbelem | Riddell, kubuntu-active ppa | 23:40 |
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