[07:33] <amithkk> Hey
[07:33] <amithkk> Andybody here?
[07:33] <amithkk> *Any
[07:34] <amithkk> *Anybody
[07:34] <amithkk> :P
[07:50] <eQuiNoX__> hey amithkk
[07:51] <amithkk> does anybody know how to cahnge your @ubuntu.com alias
[07:51] <amithkk> *change
[07:52] <eQuiNoX__> i'm not aware of how to do that, but i think the right place to ask that would be #ubuntu
[07:52] <pleia2> amithkk: change the address it forwards to?
[07:52] <amithkk> yep
[07:53] <amithkk> Oh, I got the naswer
[07:53] <pleia2> amithkk: it'll forward to your "preferred contact address" in launchpad
[07:53]  * amithkk http://askubuntu.com/a/103790/17722
[07:53] <pleia2> it'll take a few days to update though
[07:53] <pleia2> there you go
[07:53] <amithkk> pleia2: Why dont you hang out at AU :D
[07:53] <pleia2> I'm not in AU :)
[07:54] <amithkk> \o/ We have a great community :D
[07:54] <pleia2> it's midnight here in california, I fear I sleep during most of your awake time!
[07:54]  * pleia2 should get to sleep
[07:54] <amithkk> lol
[07:55] <amithkk> Its 13:24 or 1:24PM here
[07:55] <pleia2> yeah, still yesterday here ;)
[07:56] <amithkk> Why isnt the earth falt :P
[07:56] <amithkk> *flat
[14:02] <tumbleweed> !dmb-ping
[14:02] <micahg> o/
[14:02] <Laney> hello
[14:03] <tumbleweed> hrm, we retired persia, we should remove him from that
[14:03] <tumbleweed> anyway, the'll be other modifications soon...
[14:03] <MrChrisDruif> DMB ping?
[14:04] <tumbleweed> MrChrisDruif: developer membership board meeting starting as soon as we are quorate
[14:04]  * stgraber waves
[14:04] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, good luck with that tumbleweed (and the rest ofc)
[14:04] <Myrtti> I can change the factoid to what it should be
[14:05] <Myrtti> just remove per s ia, or replace with something else?
[14:06] <tumbleweed> Myrtti: just remove. But there'll be another modification real soon
[14:06] <tumbleweed> well, that's 4 of us, I guess we should start
[14:06] <Myrtti> that's not a problem
[14:07] <tumbleweed> #startmeeting Developer Memberhsip Board
[14:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 13 14:07:46 2012 UTC.  The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:07] <tumbleweed> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[14:08] <tumbleweed> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:08] <tumbleweed> #subtopic cody-somerville to write some documentation on how to endorse someone
[14:09] <tumbleweed> I guess we are carrying this forward again?
[14:09]  * stgraber is quickly writing a testimonials for cyphermox ... bad /me ;)
[14:11] <stgraber> tumbleweed: yeah, just keep that one on the list
[14:12] <tumbleweed> righto
[14:12] <tumbleweed> #subtopic micahg to E-Mail TB to extend Laney's term 1yr
[14:12] <tumbleweed> IIRC that's all done
[14:12] <micahg> yep
[14:12] <tumbleweed> #subtopic tumbleweed to run the election to fill geser's seat
[14:13] <tumbleweed> well, that's pretty much finished
[14:13] <tumbleweed> the question is do we cheat and end it 8 hours early?
[14:13]  * tumbleweed should have announced the end date as being last night
[14:13] <Laney> when does geser's term end?
[14:14] <tumbleweed> today
[14:14] <Laney> then aye aye
[14:14] <tumbleweed> sorry, it already has
[14:15] <tumbleweed> in that case, here goes
[14:16] <tumbleweed> #link http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_ffe5b07a14f4161e
[14:16] <tumbleweed> the new DMB member is barry
[14:17] <tumbleweed> #subtopic tumbleweed to send mail requesting nominations for the open DMB seat
[14:17] <tumbleweed> obviously done
[14:18] <tumbleweed> #topic cyphermox's core-dev application
[14:18] <cyphermox> good morning.
[14:18] <stgraber> hey cyphermox
[14:18] <stgraber> DMB: If you loaded cyphermox's wiki page before the meeting, please refresh ;)
[14:21]  * tumbleweed just realises he was reviewing the action items from two meetings ago. stgraber: you owe us minutes
[14:22]  * tumbleweed thought something was fishy
[14:22] <stgraber> tumbleweed: yeah, I know I've not finished the paperwork. The Agenda is correct though (including the list of action items)
[14:22] <tumbleweed> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MathieuTrudel/CoreDevApplication
[14:23] <tumbleweed> DMB: please pepper cyphermox with questions (assuming you have any)
[14:24] <stgraber> cyphermox: when is Feature Freeze (exact time please)?
[14:25] <cyphermox> stgraber: what I understood was midnight UTC, start of Thursday 16th, unless there was a different time announced?
[14:26] <stgraber> there was a different time announced, though at least what you said won't make you upload past FF :)
[14:26] <stgraber> 16:03 < skaet> Feature Freeze is at 2100 UTC
[14:26] <tumbleweed> freezes are usually at 2100 UTC
[14:26] <cyphermox> ah
[14:26] <micahg> that's documented: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule?action=show&redirect=PreciseReleaseSchedule
[14:27] <tumbleweed> cyphermox: you are, of course, subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[14:28] <cyphermox> I am
[14:28] <micahg> cyphermox: as a core dev, when would you not sponsor an upload?
[14:30] <cyphermox> micahg: I tend to only sponsor uploads when I have a strong knowledge of the package and code in that software, unless the changes are pretty obviously safe. I can't think of a better answer to give you right now.
[14:30] <micahg> cyphermox: ok, what about factors besides your knowledge that might cause you not to sponsor something
[14:31] <micahg> (which are good reasons in general, but over time you want to push that envelope)
[14:31] <tumbleweed> core-dev is a general upload right to the entire archive, one can't have strong knowledge of every package
[14:31] <cyphermox> micahg: when the sponsored upload might clash with an ongoing transition ?
[14:32] <micahg> cyphermox: there's not only one answer here, but that's one, anything else?
[14:33] <cyphermox> micahg: for my edification, could you elaborate? I may have got stuck on that "factors beside your knowledge" part
[14:34] <micahg> well, what other criteria would you look at besides the quality of a diff to determine whether or not to sponsor an upload
[14:34] <cyphermox> ah
[14:35] <cyphermox> I don't have a better answer than the one I gave you
[14:36] <stgraber> cyphermox: what do you consider "pretty obviously safe"?
[14:37] <cyphermox> stgraber: a small change to packaging for a missing file to be installed, minimal code changes for safety checks, etc.
[14:37] <cyphermox> it of course depends of the actual change being done, but that's examples
[14:38] <stgraber> ok
[14:38] <stgraber> now let's say you're asked to sponsor a sync from Debian for a package in main, what would you check?
[14:42] <cyphermox> are there changes from the package in Ubuntu we might want to keep; any thinks likely to fail to build or work as a result of the the new package.  that would most likely involve checking with the last person who touched the package first
[14:43] <stgraber> good. Anything to be careful about regarding the resulting binary packages when we're talking about packages in main?
[14:44] <cyphermox> new dependencies that might need to be in main as well
[14:45] <stgraber> exactly :)
[14:45] <tumbleweed> or that can be safely avoided in ubuntu by turning off features
[14:46] <cyphermox> on account of wpasupplicant experience I would also say where the libraries end up on the filesystem
[14:49] <micahg> cyphermox: is there a way to check if an upload might affect other packages besides the one you're uploading?
[14:50] <cyphermox> yes. checking reverse-depends or reverse build-depends; I've also hacked the transitions tracker before to make myself a page for libnl3.
[14:53] <tumbleweed> cyphermox: on a slightly different tangent I know users would love to see more usb-modeswitch* backports for hardware-enablement. Do you think that's possible?
[14:53] <cyphermox> backports, certainly, though not really SRUs
[14:54] <cyphermox> I think it could be done though to just SRU the usb-modeswitch-data package with micro-exceptions such as we do for mobile-broadband-provider-info since it's just data
[14:54] <cyphermox> in the cases where it works with the version of usb-modeswitch available
[14:54] <tumbleweed> if the formats stay the same, that'd probably be nice to have
[14:54] <Laney> (answer when you're finished) Do you think spending some time on +1maint gave you valuable experience? What did you learn there and would you encourage others to seek to spend some time with the team?
[14:55] <tumbleweed> (and then we need to finish up and go to a vote, we have 5 mins remaining)
[14:55] <cyphermox> Laney: it's great exposure to a large variety of different problems. I feel it gave me some experience, although I'm generally unhappy with my "performance" there, I don't feel like I've been able to fix that many things
[14:55] <tumbleweed> was that partially because you weren't a core-dev?
[14:56] <tumbleweed> err mainly
[14:56] <cyphermox> maybe, but that could have been worked around by sponsoring
[14:56] <Laney> Was there enough support from your fellow team members?
[14:56] <cyphermox> some of the issues were much outside my comprehension
[14:56] <Laney> or did you miss some 'training' or a way to find issues to work on?
[14:57] <Laney> find/select
[14:57] <cyphermox> yes, there was, though I was trying hard to get things done by myself to learn "better"
[14:57] <cyphermox> Laney: I don't think so, maybe that was missing "experience", and some fixes just take time, I was trying to get them though debian first (re: asciidoc IIRC)
[14:58] <cyphermox> but you can't get the experience chasing these kinds of errors without being exposed to them before
[14:58] <cyphermox> fixing builds that were requiring network access was quite interesting; so was fixing things due to the kernel we use for buildds
[14:59] <Laney> sure, so maybe you'd have a better experience next time aroudn
[14:59] <cyphermox> Laney: yes, my second run was already better
[14:59] <tumbleweed> are we done with questions, can we go to a vote? (I don't see anything sheduled for the next slot, but no need to drag on for another hour :P )
[15:00]  * stgraber is ready
[15:00] <cyphermox> please, don't drag on for another hour :)
[15:00] <stgraber> (as much as I'd enjoy questioning cyphermox for another hour ;))
[15:00] <tumbleweed> #vote Should cyphermox become a core-dev
[15:00] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should cyphermox become a core-dev
[15:00] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:00] <stgraber> +1
[15:01] <tumbleweed> +1 [ I don't see an enormous amount of activity outside your main area of interest, but there is some, and that shouldn't be a blocker. There are a fair number of good endorsements ]
[15:02]  * stgraber pokes meetingology
[15:02] <Laney> +1
[15:03] <micahg> +1, good packaging work, would like to see more work outside of area of expertise, but libnl3 transition was a good start
[15:03] <tumbleweed> that appears to be everyone who is here today
[15:03] <tumbleweed> #endvote
[15:03] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should cyphermox become a core-dev
[15:03] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:03] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[15:04] <tumbleweed> err any ideas?
[15:04] <Laney> ignore
[15:04] <tumbleweed> #action tumbleweed to add cyphermox to core-dev after the meeting
[15:04] <meetingology> ACTION: tumbleweed to add cyphermox to core-dev after the meeting
[15:04] <tumbleweed> cyphermox: congrats
[15:04] <cyphermox> thanks
[15:05] <tumbleweed> #topic AOB?
[15:05] <sagaci> cyphermox: good work
[15:05] <tumbleweed> next chair?
[15:05] <micahg> cyphermox: sorry, I spaced on the +1 stuff you did, you already did quite a bit outside your area of expertise :)
[15:05] <tumbleweed> do we need to poke tech-board to add barry?
[15:06] <micahg> tumbleweed: we need to confirm the nomination
[15:06] <tumbleweed> micahg: oh, probably I wasn't looking hard enough :)
[15:06] <tumbleweed> in that case
[15:06] <tumbleweed> #vote add barry to the DMB to take geser's seat
[15:06] <meetingology> Please vote on: add barry to the DMB to take geser's seat
[15:06] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:06] <tumbleweed> +1
[15:06] <stgraber> +1
[15:07] <Laney> +1
[15:07] <tumbleweed> micahg: ?
[15:08] <stgraber> AlanBell: your bot is broken :) (not sure if it's actually yours but I remember you playing with it a bit)
[15:08] <AlanBell> hi stgraber
[15:08] <micahg> +1
[15:08] <tumbleweed> #endvote
[15:08] <meetingology> Voting ended on: add barry to the DMB to take geser's seat
[15:08] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:08] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[15:08] <tumbleweed> ignoring meetingology: motion carried
[15:08] <AlanBell> ooh sorry about that
[15:10] <tumbleweed> next chair?
[15:10] <stgraber> do we need TB confirmation for the new DMB member or we just need TB to add him and announce?
[15:10] <stgraber> if it's the later, just give me the action
[15:11] <tumbleweed> Laney: you were the last person to do this
[15:12] <tumbleweed> going from last time, this is pretty easy
[15:12] <tumbleweed> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-September/001080.html
[15:12] <tumbleweed> #action stgraber to get barry added to the DMB
[15:12] <meetingology> ACTION: stgraber to get barry added to the DMB
[15:13] <stgraber> ok, doing that post-meeting (with the minutes from our previous meeting ...)
[15:13] <tumbleweed> next chair:
[15:13] <tumbleweed> presumably bdrung (going from the top
[15:14] <tumbleweed> no objections, done
[15:14] <tumbleweed> #endmeeeting
[15:15] <AlanBell> tumbleweed: can you say "#voters"
[15:15] <tumbleweed> AlanBell: oh, duh, sorry. My first meetingology meeting
[15:15] <AlanBell> tumbleweed: thats fine, I can't see what went wrong
[15:15] <micahg> oh wait, before we end
[15:15] <micahg> or is it too late now?
[15:15] <tumbleweed> the bot doesn't seem to have noticed that we finished :P
[15:16] <AlanBell> #voters
[15:16] <meetingology> Current voters:
[15:16] <AlanBell> mind a quick test vote?
[15:16] <AlanBell> #vote a quick motion to test the bot
[15:16] <meetingology> Please vote on: a quick motion to test the bot
[15:16] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:16] <micahg> AlanBell: are we still in the DMB meeting from meetingology's point of view?
[15:16] <AlanBell> +1
[15:16] <AlanBell> micahg: I am not sure
[15:16] <sagaci> +0
[15:16] <micahg> +1
[15:16] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[15:16] <meetingology> Voting ended on: a quick motion to test the bot
[15:16] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:16] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[15:17]  * micahg wanted a comment on the record, but fears it's too late
[15:17] <tumbleweed> micahg: I haven't written the minutes yet
[15:17] <stgraber> micahg: well, it looks like we don't really have records ;)
[15:17] <AlanBell> #startmeeting test meeting
[15:17] <meetingology> AlanBell: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[15:17] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[15:17] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[15:17] <AlanBell> #startmeeting test meeting
[15:17] <meetingology> AlanBell: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[15:17]  * AlanBell will go give the bot a slap
[15:18] <micahg> last meeting with notes was the release meeting on Friday
[15:18] <AlanBell> #startmeeting test
[15:18] <meetingology> AlanBell: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[15:18] <geser> at least the bot is persistent
[15:19] <micahg> well, I just wanted to thank geser for his many years of service on the DMB and the MOTU council and wish him well on his future endeavors
[15:19] <AlanBell> it is working great in the #meetingology test channel, seems to be in a fluster here though
[15:19] <micahg> tumbleweed: can you include the above in the meeting notes ^^
[15:19] <stgraber> micahg: +1
[15:19] <micahg> #help
[15:19] <tumbleweed> micahg: sure :)
[15:20] <micahg> #endendmeeting
[15:20] <AlanBell> it is getting exceptions when writing logfiles
[15:31] <AlanBell> tumbleweed: sorry, looks like no meetingology logs, it can't write to the directory it stores them in for this channel, reallly odd
[15:31] <tumbleweed> np
[15:32] <AlanBell> I can't even touch a file in there, I get touch: setting times of `foo': No such file or directory
[15:33] <AlanBell> lets remove that directory and try again
[15:34] <AlanBell> #startmeeting test
[15:34] <meetingology> AlanBell: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[15:34] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[15:36] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
[15:36] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 13 15:36:25 2012 UTC.  The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:36] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[15:38] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[15:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb 13 15:38:09 2012 UTC.
[15:38] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-15.36.moin.txt
[15:38] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-15.36.html
[15:38] <AlanBell> better
[15:38] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
[15:38] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 13 15:38:25 2012 UTC.  The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:38] <AlanBell> #vote is there a problem with the filesystem on the server?
[15:38] <meetingology> Please vote on: is there a problem with the filesystem on the server?
[15:38] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:38] <AlanBell> +1
[15:38] <meetingology> +1 received from AlanBell
[15:38] <AlanBell> #endvote
[15:38] <meetingology> Voting ended on: is there a problem with the filesystem on the server?
[15:38] <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:38] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:38] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[15:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb 13 15:38:54 2012 UTC.
[15:38] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-15.38.moin.txt
[15:38] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-15.38.html
[15:39] <AlanBell> yay
[15:39] <AlanBell> but it isn't totally happy
[16:00] <roadmr> hi all!
[16:00] <ara> hello!
[16:00] <jedimike> hi
[16:00] <roadmr> ok it's 16:00 UTC so let's get this show on the road
[16:00]  * roadmr was going to say 11:00 - how EST-centered of me :(
[16:00] <roadmr> #startmeeting Ubuntu Friendly meeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 13 16:00:48 2012 UTC.  The chair is roadmr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:01] <roadmr> Hi everyone, welcome to the Ubuntu Friendly meeting!
[16:01] <roadmr> Today we have the following topics to talk about:
[16:01] <roadmr> * Checkbox 0.13.1 - call for testing (roadmr)
[16:01] <roadmr> * Submitting test results anonymously (cr3)
[16:01] <roadmr> * Any Other Business
[16:01] <roadmr> As usual, you're welcome to participate, to do so, indicate you want to speak by raising your hand (o/). Don't forget to also signal when you're done using ..
[16:01] <cr3> o/
[16:02] <roadmr> hey cr3!
[16:02] <cr3> hello everyone!
[16:02] <cr3> ..
[16:02] <roadmr> Let's get started with the agenda!
[16:02] <roadmr> [TOPIC] Checkbox 0.13.1 - call for testing (roadmr)
[16:02] <roadmr> Checkbox version 0.13.1 was just accepted in Ubuntu, with lots of fixes and new goodies.
[16:02] <roadmr> We'd like to ask for everyone's help in running it and reporting any bugs you may find (by running ubuntu-bug checkbox, for instance).
[16:03] <roadmr> This will allow us to start focusing on fixing those bugs in time for the 12.04 release.
[16:03] <roadmr> Installing it should be as simple as applying available updates in your Ubuntu Precise installation.
[16:04] <roadmr> That's all on this topic, as it was basically just an announcement :) Any questions or comments?
[16:05] <roadmr> nothing? :) Let's move on then...
[16:05] <roadmr> * [TOPIC] Submitting test results anonymously (cr3)
[16:05] <roadmr> [TOPIC] Submitting test results anonymously (cr3)
[16:05] <roadmr> cr3, go ahead!
[16:05] <cr3> The new checkbox-qt interface provides a button to submit test results and hardware information anonymously.
[16:05] <cr3> The problem is that Launchpad does not like anonymous information on the basis that information not linked to anyone is useless.
[16:05] <cr3> We could workaround this problem by providing a dummy email address when users click on the button to submit anonymously.
[16:05] <cr3> Or, we can remove the button to submit anonymously. Note that the interface prompts for an email address which doesn't need to exist in Launchpad.
[16:05] <cr3> If a user eventually creates an account in Launchpad with the same address, the submissions will be linked to the new user retroactively.
[16:06] <cr3> So, should we vote on removing the button to submit anonymously?
[16:07] <mlegris> +1 -> yes
[16:07] <roadmr> sounds OK to me, anyone want to comment anything before we vote?
[16:08] <roadmr> let's go then
[16:08] <roadmr> #vote remove the "submit anonymously" button from Checkbox? (+1 means "yes, remove it")
[16:08] <meetingology> Please vote on: remove the "submit anonymously" button from Checkbox? (+1 means "yes, remove it")
[16:08] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[16:08] <cr3> +1
[16:08] <meetingology> +1 received from cr3
[16:08] <jedimike> +1
[16:08] <meetingology> +1 received from jedimike
[16:08] <bladernr_> +1
[16:08] <meetingology> +1 received from bladernr_
[16:08] <mlegris> +1
[16:08] <meetingology> +1 received from mlegris
[16:08] <roadmr> +1 but we need to let the user know that any email address can be specified, to avoid "oh, do I have to create a launchpad account?" questions
[16:08] <meetingology> +1 but we need to let the user know that any email address can be specified, to avoid "oh, do I have to create a launchpad account?" questions received from roadmr
[16:09] <cr3> roadmr: +1, but I don't think we need to vote on that :)
[16:09] <ara> -1
[16:09] <meetingology> -1 received from ara
[16:09] <ara> I think it is better to use a dummy email
[16:10] <cr3> ara: people could provide a dummy address themselves if they really want, but at least it wouldn't make bad behavior as common
[16:10] <ara> but it would make the UI messy
[16:10] <cr3> ara: we're removing a button, how's that messy?
[16:11] <ara> what will be the label for the email text box
[16:11] <ara> currently is Launchpad ID email
[16:11] <ara> (or something along the lines)
[16:11] <roadmr> cr3: but will the text that explains that even a non-launchpad email address be briefer than the button?
[16:12] <roadmr> cr3: people aren't too good at those "implicit" behaviors, so we *need* to spell it out
[16:12] <cr3> ara: whether we have the anonymous button or not, I think the email input field will need the same text
[16:13] <roadmr> that's a good point
[16:13] <ara> I don't think so
[16:13] <cr3> ara: please explain, I'm not sure I follow
[16:13] <ara> Right now you can:
[16:13] <ara> * Submit anonymously
[16:13] <ara> * Submit with your Launchpad email
[16:14] <ara> that implies that you need a Luanchpad account to submit with the email text box
[16:14] <ara> if we remove the submit anonymously
[16:14] <ara> we will need to remove the Launchpad all together, to avoid confusion
[16:14] <ara> Launchpad label, I mean
[16:15] <ara> or add a too lengthy explanation about the eamil
[16:15] <cr3> * Submit with your email, optional
[16:15] <cr3> so, if you click on submit without anything, it submits anyways?
[16:16] <cr3> in other words, remove the big red button to encourage bad behavior and still support your use case?
[16:16] <ara> I will need to see a mock up to get the idea
[16:17] <cr3> ara: I'm thinking the same as it was which we now works with Launchpad requirements
[16:17] <cr3> s/now/know/
[16:18] <ara> I don't see why submitting anonymously should be consider "bad behaviour"
[16:19] <ara> but I will be happy to see other mock ups
[16:19] <cr3> ara: if it weren't bad behavior, why should we prompt for an email address at all?
[16:22] <roadmr> so maybe this feature needs a bit more thinking?
[16:22] <roadmr> let me close the vote, I think despite the clear majority this still merits some discussing
[16:22] <roadmr> #endvote
[16:22] <meetingology> Voting ended on: remove the "submit anonymously" button from Checkbox? (+1 means "yes, remove it")
[16:22] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0
[16:22] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:22] <roadmr> ignore meetingology :)
[16:23] <cr3> roadmr: agreed, but we might not have that luxury. I'd say try to propose a way to submit both anonymously and with an email address with as little confusion as possible, or fallback to the previous behavior in time for FF
[16:23] <cr3> ara: ^^^ how does that sound to you?
[16:24] <roadmr> checkbox-deluxe
[16:25] <cr3> roadmr: if we name it checkbox-++, does one minus cancel one plus?
[16:25] <roadmr> cr3: yes I guess
[16:25] <cr3> checkbox+, just like google+, we'd be trendy!
[16:26] <roadmr> ok so 1- user has a launchpad account and wants to submit with his email address
[16:26] <roadmr> 2- user has NO launchpad account and wants to submit with his email address
[16:26] <cr3> roadmr: it seems that we dispensed with the whole raising hand practice
[16:26] <roadmr> 3- user wants to submit but not give his email address
[16:26] <roadmr> 4- user doesn't want to submit at all
[16:27] <cr3> roadmr: +1
[16:27] <roadmr> so coming up with a UI that makes all those cases easy, with as little implicit behavior as possible (i.e. no "if you leave the email address blank and click "submit" we will make up an address and submit anonymously")
[16:28] <roadmr> ..
[16:28] <cr3> roadmr: should that be an action item?
[16:29] <roadmr> cr3: ideally, but it has to be a quick action as FF is in a couple of days
[16:29] <roadmr> [ACTION] Propose a way to handle the four use cases (see above) - preferrably with a mockup, maybe send to UF mailing list
[16:29] <meetingology> ACTION: Propose a way to handle the four use cases (see above) - preferrably with a mockup, maybe send to UF mailing list
[16:29] <roadmr> [ACTION] Decision made based on clearness and ease of implementation (due to time constraints)
[16:29] <meetingology> ACTION: Decision made based on clearness and ease of implementation (due to time constraints)
[16:30] <roadmr> sounds about right? I didn't put anyone in particular since at this point we'd be looking at any proposals that come in
[16:31] <roadmr> OK anything else on this topic? ara, are you OK with this course of action?
[16:32] <cr3> roadmr: sounds right to me
[16:33] <ara> roadmr, yes
[16:33] <ara> (I am OK)
[16:33] <ara> roadmr, who are the owners of the action items?
[16:33] <roadmr> ara: since it's about making proposals, I guess anyone who has an idea :)
[16:34] <cr3> roadmr: I should take it since I opened the can
[16:34] <roadmr> ok thanks!
[16:34] <roadmr> ok then let's continue with this
[16:35] <roadmr> Next on the agenda... the beloved...
[16:35] <roadmr> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[16:35] <roadmr> Got anything Ubuntu Friendly-related you'd like to discuss or bring to the team's attention? now's your chance!
[16:36] <roadmr> any takers? :)
[16:38] <roadmr> ok then...
[16:38] <roadmr> Well I guess this wraps things up for today. Thanks for attending! Remember the mailing list is open to all your UF-related comments and inquiries.
[16:38] <roadmr> Thanks! have a good day!
[16:38] <roadmr> #endmeeting
[16:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb 13 16:38:55 2012 UTC.
[16:38] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-16.00.moin.txt
[16:38] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-16.00.html
[16:39] <roadmr> I'll have the minutes up in a minute :)
[16:40] <roadmr> thanks everyone!
[16:41] <cr3> roadmr: thanks dude!
[18:00] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:00] <mdeslaur> \o
[18:00] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 13 18:00:49 2012 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:00] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:01] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[18:01] <jdstrand> FeatureFreeze is this week (February 16th). Please try to finish any non-bugfix work items that are tied to the release by this date. Please talk to mdeslaur (and optionally me) soon if there are issues meeting this deadline. This is particularly true for essential and high priority items.
[18:01] <jdstrand> Thanks to the following people:
[18:01] <jdstrand> Imre Gergely (cemc) provided debdiffs for hardy-precise for pdns (LP: #918588)
[18:01] <jdstrand> Zubin Mithra (zubin-mithra) assisted with updating atop in lucid and maverick (LP: #820497)
[18:01] <jdstrand> Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[18:02] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Review of any previous action items
[18:02] <jdstrand> ACTION: sbeattie to follow up on qrt bugs from QA team
[18:02]  * sbeattie facepalms
[18:02]  * jdstrand keeps action on list
[18:02] <jdstrand> :)
[18:02] <sbeattie> thank you.
[18:02] <sbeattie> :-)
[18:02] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:03] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:03] <jdstrand> I'm in the happy place
[18:03] <jdstrand> last week I had meetings around the partner archive. the issues surrounding it should now be resolved with clear processes
[18:03] <sbeattie> \o/
[18:03] <jdstrand> some of this was mentioned briefly on the TB mailing list
[18:04] <jdstrand> I've got quite a bit of internal follow-ups I am working on
[18:05] <jdstrand> I'm surely behind again on archive admin stuff (tough time in the cycle with FF looming) and will need to spend some time on that
[18:05] <jdstrand> got through several MIR audits last week, but there are a lot more
[18:05] <jdstrand> As mentioned last week, I might ask for help, but not yet
[18:06] <jdstrand> besides that, I might try to finish a few work items before FF
[18:06] <jdstrand> we'll see
[18:06] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're next
[18:06] <mdeslaur> I'm on community this week
[18:07] <mdeslaur> there's a few community security updates to sponsor
[18:07] <mdeslaur> and I'm currently working on cvs
[18:07] <mdeslaur> and will probably steal apache2 from sbeattie if he doesn't object
[18:07] <mdeslaur> and will further go down the list
[18:07] <mdeslaur> wednesday, I'll be patch piloting
[18:07] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: no objections here
[18:07] <mdeslaur> and, that's about it from me. sbeattie, you're next
[18:07] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: ok, consider apache2 stolen
[18:08] <sbeattie> I'm on triage this week
[18:08] <jdstrand> oh I forgot-- I've got 2 pending updates
[18:08] <sbeattie> php regression fix just went out the door.
[18:08] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: my apologies, I didn't triage on friday as I was out
[18:08] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: no worries
[18:09] <sbeattie> I've got glibc and an embargoed issue on my plate
[18:09] <sbeattie> I also need to get back to my apparmor work items
[18:09] <sbeattie> ... and I think that's it for me.
[18:09] <sbeattie> micahg is away for a bit, I think, so tyhicks?
[18:09] <tyhicks> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:10] <tyhicks> I'm still working on the ruby1.8 update
[18:10] <tyhicks> I have accumulated a few eCryptfs kernel fixes that I'll need to prepare a pull request for sometime early this week, but that should be quick and smooth
[18:11] <tyhicks> That's it for me
[18:11] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[18:11] <mdeslaur> tyhicks: cool, glad to have you back on reactive work
[18:11] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: Glad to be back on it :)
[18:11] <jdstrand> \o/
[18:11] <jjohansen> so, its mount rule testing and bug fixing for me, as well as martially all the changes to submit patches and pull requests
[18:12] <jdstrand> tyhicks: me too. thanks for all your hard work getting ecryptfs into good shape for precise
[18:12] <jdstrand> jjohansen: nice :)
[18:12] <sbeattie> jjohansen: what shape are mount rules in>
[18:12] <jjohansen> errr, s/martially/marshalling/
[18:13] <jjohansen> sbeattie: well not as good as I would like, but I am boot a kernel to do more testing on now
[18:13] <jjohansen> sbeattie: I let you know when it blows up on me again
[18:13] <jjohansen> :/
[18:14] <sbeattie> jjohansen: okay. Note that I have work items to help write testcases for mount rules.
[18:14] <jjohansen> really they aren't that bad off, most things are there I am testing with a reduced permission set right now as there is a bad bug in the extended permissions
[18:14] <jjohansen> sbeattie: yeah you will be getting stuff to play with today
[18:14] <sbeattie> jjohansen: awesome, thanks!
[18:15] <jjohansen> sbeattie: they are passing the parser regression tests atm
[18:15] <jjohansen> not that it couldn't use a lot more
[18:15] <jjohansen> hrmm, I guess thats it from me, jdstrand back to you
[18:16] <jdstrand> thanks
[18:16] <jdstrand> as mentioned micahg is not here today, but he is working on tbird and chromium updates, ff10 bug triage and back to webkit
[18:16] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:17] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:17] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:17] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/sitecopy.html
[18:17] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libspring-2.5-java.html
[18:17] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/smbind.html
[18:17] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-suhosin.html
[18:17] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/icecast2.html
[18:17] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:17] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:20] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen: thanks!
[18:20] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Feb 13 18:20:47 2012 UTC.
[18:20] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-18.00.moin.txt
[18:20] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-13-18.00.html
[18:20] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:20] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thank you
[18:31] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand