[00:01] <pangolin> kick me you fools
[00:04] <popey> hmm?
[00:04] <Gary> fail
[00:04] <AlanBell> silly pangolin fail
[00:04] <pangolin> sheesh, one network wode fail and I get all this flack :(
[00:04] <popey> ah, /amsg
[00:04] <pangolin> wide
[00:05] <popey> you plum
[00:05] <exobuzz> popey, i recently discovered, you can iron scrambled egg, directly on a plate.. i was just thinking next time you are on your trampoline..
[00:05] <exobuzz> my new non stick iron - i had to test it etc
[00:07] <exobuzz> not tried steaming veg on the plate yet.. worth a go
[00:14] <popey> sorry, what?
[00:14] <popey> eggs between baking paper or something?
[00:15] <exobuzz> good flat plate.. egg. iron.. mess. fun etc
[00:15] <popey> hah
[00:17] <exobuzz> not as much "fun" as when my other half set fire to my microwave though
[00:18] <exobuzz> naan bread bag. metal got hot. paper caught wire. door of microwave caught fire.. and its the 2nd! time she put metal in it.. heh..
[00:18] <Gary> ban her!
[00:19] <exobuzz> she is banned for sure
[00:19] <exobuzz> i got a new microwave now.. i love it.. anyone who destroys it, gets all meals cooked by iron for the rest of the year as punishment
[00:20] <exobuzz> s/wire/fire just noticed that
[00:20] <popey> i removed the door from the oven today
[00:20] <popey> which was a minor diy achievement
[00:20] <popey> (I hate diy)
[00:21] <exobuzz> just for fun ? :)
[00:21] <popey> no, handle broke
[00:21] <popey> well, came loose, then undone
[00:21] <exobuzz> handles are overrated
[00:21] <popey> screw head is on the inside
[00:21] <exobuzz> aah
[00:21] <exobuzz> make sure your dog doesnt climb in!
[00:21] <popey> hah
[00:22] <popey> and so.. bed
[00:22] <exobuzz> in the oven ?
[00:22] <exobuzz> i dont think removing the door is sufficient to make it acceptable as a bed
[00:22] <popey> its a big oven, but it aint that big
[00:22] <exobuzz> but then.. it is you ;-)
[00:22] <popey> nice and warm though
[00:22] <exobuzz> hehe
[00:22] <exobuzz> popey wins on the big factorness ?
[00:22] <exobuzz> im in your club
[00:23] <popey> heh
[00:23] <exobuzz> sleep well
[00:23] <exobuzz> dont go over 100c
[00:23] <exobuzz> :)
[00:23] <Gary> night night popey, i'll be thinking of you
[00:24] <popey> mwah
[00:26] <exobuzz> is that "mwahha" laugh or "mwah" juicy kiss
[00:26] <exobuzz> must be a juicy kiss..
[00:27] <exobuzz> new ubuntu uk podcast soon. hurray!
[00:38] <exobuzz> <3 xfce recently..
[00:38] <exobuzz> productivity as it should be without wondering why my window manager has done something weird
[00:39] <exobuzz> (not trying to bring up the whole unity debate. just saying)
[00:39] <exobuzz> 2 machines on xfce now.. one left on an old mint which is going to xubuntu also
[08:12] <DJones> Morning all
[08:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:24] <daubers> Morning
[08:27] <BigRedS> good morning!
[08:37] <popey> Morning
[08:38]  * popey taps his watch and looks at czajkowski 
[08:39] <czajkowski> popey: morning
[08:42] <daubers> So I've decided that the internet is a scam to raise the price of tomatoes
[08:45] <BigRedS> I don't think I've ever done anything tomato related on the internet
[08:47] <daubers> Exactley! And that's how they get you
[08:47] <BigRedS> Oh, I see
[08:47] <daubers> It's a huge distraction so you don't notice the massive price hikes
[08:48]  * daubers may not have had any coffee this morning and may be suffering
[08:52] <AlanBell> morning
[08:53] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ello
[08:54] <diplo> Morning all
[09:02] <czajkowski> popey: ping
[09:13] <JamesTait> Morning all!
[09:18] <popey> czajkowski: pong
[09:18] <czajkowski> see pm
[09:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all, Anyone postgres savvy?
[09:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> I inadvertantly dropped the "postgres" database. How can I restore it from a backup?
[09:23] <AlanBell> erk
[09:24] <gord> oop
[09:26] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Delorian?
[09:32] <DJones> Backups?
[09:32] <TheOpenSourcerer>  Yes, I have thouse.
[09:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> those
[09:46] <AlanBell> filesystem level backups or database dumps?
[09:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Interesting problem that. sudo purge postgres*, delete /var/lib/postgres /usr/share/postgres then re-install. There is a pg_createcluster which is supposed to do it but it was quicker to do the above.
[09:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Better modify my script before it does that again ;-)
[09:49] <BigRedS> haha
[09:50] <BigRedS> I keep meaning to use postgres again. I've not used it since Perl type bullied me into it. But that only lasted a couple of months before laziness turned me back to mysql
[10:00] <DJones> Is ppa:unity-team/hud the recommended way of installing & testing HUD? A couple fo comments I've just read suggest that the ppa is dead
[10:04] <gord> DJones, no, its not, hud's in trunk so the daily unity ppa
[10:07] <DJones> gord: Thanks, I'll give that a go when I get home tonight
[10:10] <cliftonts> morning all
[10:11] <cliftonts> does anyone here know much about diagnosing laptop hardware faults?
[10:12] <daubers> cliftonts: Depends on the fault :)
[10:13] <daubers> cliftonts: what are the symptoms?
[10:13] <cliftonts> daubers: as soon as you plug it in it turns on, no need to touch the power switch
[10:13] <cliftonts> the hard drive accesses briefly then nothing, no picture, no response to key presses
[10:14] <cliftonts> try to turn it off and it ignores you, you have to pull the plug
[10:14] <directhex> short circuit. possibly a power supply fault.
[10:14] <cliftonts> scrambled bios maybe?
[10:14] <directhex> not convinced.
[10:15] <cliftonts> that's a shame, it's a damn expensive laptop and I don't rate my chances at being able to fault find at component level on the board
[10:16] <daubers> cliftonts: Can always bring it up to a Hackspace and ask nicely :)
[10:17] <directhex> i reckon it's a short.
[10:17] <cliftonts> daubers: I'm in business selling these things, would they have any issue with someone exploiting them for profit?
[10:17] <gordonjcp> cliftonts: power supply failure? possibly stuck power button?
[10:18] <daubers> cliftonts: If you go up there and ask for help identifying these kind of problems and maybe offered a small donation (even of old kit) they'd probably be ok with it
[10:18] <cliftonts> gordonjcp: the power button is on a removable board so I've eliminated that
[10:18] <gordonjcp> cliftonts: fucked, basically
[10:19] <cliftonts> daubers: Although I'm in business I'm pretty new to it and in extreme poverty lol. I do however have shed loads of old kit!
[10:19] <bigcalm> !ohmy | gordonjcp
[10:19] <cliftonts> gordonjcp: Please refrain from using technical terms in here. hehe
[10:21] <cliftonts> daubers: I know nothing about hackspace except that it has been mentioned by a few people at the local LUG, I'm having a browse now
[10:24] <cliftonts> I have found a local one with the most user un-friendly page in the universe. Now all I need to do is knock on every single door in reading until I find them because they don't seem to have any addresses, meeting dates or contact details.
[10:24] <daubers> cliftonts: Who is your local one?
[10:24] <daubers> Oh! Reading! Hang on
[10:24] <cliftonts> Reading
[10:25] <daubers> http://readingmakerspace.co.uk/wiki/Main_Page <- Is it that page?
[10:25] <daubers> (or readinghackspace.co.uk)
[10:25] <cliftonts> I'd got this
[10:26] <cliftonts> brilliant! The how to find us page on that address shows which bus to catch but doesn't tell you the address
[10:27] <daubers> cliftonts: Give me 10 minutes and I'll give you some better directions (I'm building those pages)
[10:27] <daubers> cliftonts: It's here http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=214476086285871945372.0004b5b4aca8db41322dd&msa=0&ll=51.454455,-0.895804&spn=0.002079,0.003605
[10:27] <cliftonts> fair enough
[10:27] <daubers> headley park 9
[10:27] <daubers> in woodley
[10:27] <cliftonts> do you have a postcode for it?
[10:28] <daubers> Umm.. somewhere
[10:29] <daubers> Unit 5, Headley Park NINE, Headley Road, Woodley, RG5 4SQ
[10:29] <cliftonts> I'm just trying to think logically here, the power enters the board at one spot, the switch is in another, at some point along the path something will react to the switch by shorting out and that has obviously gone dud
[10:29] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:29] <cliftonts> but what is that something?
[10:30] <cliftonts> daubers: Thanks
[10:34] <cliftonts> daubers: Wednesday evenings, right?
[10:39] <cliftonts> I'll stop by and see if anyone has any ideas then.
[10:40] <daubers> Cool :) Usually people there around 7ish
[10:40] <daubers> (I should be there, but depends on getting out of london on time(
[10:40] <cliftonts> It strikes me though that it must be a component with more than 3 pins though, because it's essentially brain dead. Fans leds etc come on but nothing more. So it's only powering up part of the board
[10:41] <cliftonts> trouble is some of these things are so small I can't even identify them!
[10:46]  * AlanBell has tickets to London Irish
[10:47] <bigcalm> Sounds like a pub
[10:47] <cliftonts> daubers: Are you still there?
[10:52] <KrisDouglas> Hey Gareth, how are the computer fairs coming along?
[10:53]  * BigRedS realises where he recognises the name "cliftonts" from
[10:53] <cliftonts> go on BigRedS...
[10:54] <cliftonts> KrisDouglas: It's going quite nicely, profits are a bit low but I'm half way through transferring to laptops rather than desktops so I don't have much in the way of highly profitable items right now
[10:55] <BigRedS> oh, ubuntu-uk list
[10:55] <KrisDouglas> cliftonts, yeah, too many people can build desktops too-easily.
[10:55] <KrisDouglas> They're like Lego nowadays.
[10:56] <BigRedS> Plugging in's easy, it's the speccing that's hard
[10:56] <BigRedS> well, substantially more tedious than I can ever bring myself to do
[10:56] <KrisDouglas> BigRedS, yeah, but it's not nearly as hard as it used to be.
[10:56] <KrisDouglas> The only difficulty I find is brands, etc.
[10:56] <BigRedS> No, that's one benefit of competition mostly disappearing :/
[10:57] <cliftonts> KrisDouglas: I understand that but you try finding laptops for sale at a good enough price to turn a profit on. I'm having to invent my own solutions
[10:57] <BigRedS> but even so, I always need to say "I have £X. What should I buy?" to knowledgable people
[10:58] <KrisDouglas> cliftonts, you could start buying OEM shells and installing the parts yourself
[10:58] <KrisDouglas> if you find the right supplier it could be viable.
[10:58]  * AlanBell might be in the market for some bits of desktop kit
[10:59] <cliftonts> KrisDouglas: OEM shells?
[11:00] <davmor2> morning all
[11:00] <KrisDouglas> cliftonts, yes, a laptop with just a board, no LCD (usually) or hard drive or anything
[11:01] <KrisDouglas> You then fill it with bits, much like a PC.
[11:01] <KrisDouglas> www.pcspecialist.co.uk do it.
[11:01] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[11:01] <cliftonts> Never heard of that before
[11:02] <cliftonts> I've chosen to focus on broken laptops, that way I can get them for as little as £10 a piece
[11:02] <cliftonts> my latest is an Acer Aspire with a HD 18.4" screen but it's got a very stubborn power fault
[11:05] <cliftonts> Anyway, I suppose I really should get on and do some work!
[11:06] <oimon_> does anyone have experience of capacitive stylus for tablets?
[11:07] <oimon_> would like to do handwriting on android tablet with a stylus
[11:07] <bigcalm> o/
[11:07] <bigcalm> Adoit Jot Pro
[11:07] <oimon_> bigcalm: how long you had it?
[11:07] <oimon_> i was looking at the jot
[11:08] <bigcalm> Since Wednesday last week
[11:08] <bigcalm> I did research and asked around
[11:09] <oimon_> do they seem durable? (btw what did you pay?)
[11:10] <bigcalm> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005GSPN6M
[11:10] <bigcalm> I wanted the blue, but I'm a cheap skate
[11:10] <oimon_> bigcalm: which note taking app are you using?
[11:11] <bigcalm> I'm not yet
[11:11] <oimon_> i'm more cheap skate as the jot classic will suffice for moi
[11:11] <bigcalm> I bought it for drawing with
[11:11] <oimon_> but handwriting is ok?
[11:11] <bigcalm> Yes, it's pleasing on my Xoom
[11:11] <oimon_> i want it for freenote (ideally i'd love asus supernote that is on the transformer prime)
[11:12] <oimon_> does it do anything magic (bluetooth etc), or just pick up and write?
[11:12] <bigcalm> It's just a stylus, nothing clever going on
[11:12] <oimon_> no lag?
[11:13] <bigcalm> That'll be down to the app/hardware
[11:13] <oimon_> ok last question, thanks for humouring me :D
[11:13] <oimon_> what do you think of the people on the amazon reviews who are saying it scratches your screen?
[11:14] <bigcalm> I haven't experienced this. If you push too hard with anything you might break something and start scratching
[11:15] <bigcalm> The point of the clear pad is to prevent this
[11:15] <oimon_> it's always hard to judge the amazonian reviewers. they could be a trained chimp and you wouldn't know it
[11:15] <davmor2> popey: PS3 remotes rock ask bigcalm and gord I did a demo
[11:16] <bigcalm> popey: davmor2 likes things that vibrate lots
[11:16] <oimon_> i'm amazed that gorilla glass would scratch if this stylus is used without a protector
[11:16] <directhex> i wrote a ps3 remote driver once
[11:16] <directhex> in my yoof
[11:16] <bigcalm> directhex: how old are you now?
[11:17] <directhex> twentysomething
[11:17] <directhex> hang on...
[11:17] <directhex> carry the three...
[11:17] <directhex> twenty... seven?
[11:17] <bigcalm> The ps3 hasn't been around that long surely?
[11:17] <bigcalm> Youth is relative :)
[11:20] <oimon_> bigcalm: do you use a screen protector?
[11:23] <bigcalm> No
[11:23] <bigcalm> Nor is there one on my phone
[11:24] <oimon_> you risk taker you ...
[11:25] <bigcalm> I've had my Nexus One since they were available from Google
[11:25] <directhex> cookies! http://apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/miscellaneous-junk/IMG_0551.JPG
[11:25] <oimon_> bought a nice valentines card for the missis and the postie bent it ..big crease :(
[11:25] <bigcalm> Bacon cookies?
[11:26] <directhex> bigcalm, yeah. haven't made any for a few years
[11:27] <directhex> http://apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/miscellaneous-junk/IMG_0550.JPG
[11:27] <bigcalm> I'm not sure what to think!
[11:27] <directhex> "mmm, bacon!" ?
[11:28] <bigcalm> There is that thought
[11:29] <directhex> my sister ate most of them, but insisted on closing her eyes so she could pretend they weren't some kind of twisted combination of meat and sweet
[11:31]  * bigcalm longs for his bed
[11:31] <bigcalm> Really shouldn't be this tired on a Monday morning
[11:33]  * directhex longs for delicious cake
[11:34] <daubers> I could do with some cake
[11:34] <daubers> stupid trade shows, stupid mondays
[11:39] <oimon_> just noticed that hotot responds to vim-like directional commands..
[11:53]  * BigRedS just ate too many biscuits
[11:56]  * brobostigon gets bigcalm a sickbag.
[11:56] <brobostigon> BigRedS*
[11:56] <brobostigon> sorry bigcalm
[11:57] <BigRedS> haha
[11:57] <Myrtti> hello
[11:57] <brobostigon> morning Myrtti
[12:02] <bigcalm> o.O
[12:03] <bigcalm> Oh
[12:03]  * bigcalm lunches
[12:08] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Did you ever find an open source door thing?
[12:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> daubers: No - I was only looking briefly as a mate at HP had asked, but from what I found it doesn't look like anything is really available
[12:09] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Interesting....
[12:19] <palnj> Hey guys!
[12:19] <palnj> It's been a while :D
[12:21] <palnj> AlanBell: you'll be getting that letter about the free CD + RAM soon...my PostOffice for some reason don't sell 2nd class large stamps…hmph
[12:21] <AlanBell> how odd!
[12:21] <palnj> Yup, ikr
[12:22] <AlanBell> they are really strict on postage now, I got one last week where someone thought that a first class stamp would do, they sent an A4 envelope with a 1st class stamp on it and because the envelope was too big I had to go to the post office and spend £1.12 to collect essentially an empty envelope
[12:23] <AlanBell> folding the thing over and taping it up would have been fine
[12:23] <palnj> Haha god that's dumb
[12:24] <palnj> I think I'll put in a little picture of me with the jewel case...just 'cause i can
[12:24] <directhex> i wish the post office charged more.
[12:24] <palnj> directhex: why? You work at one?
[12:25] <czajkowski> AlanBell: danfish tickets arrived
[12:25] <directhex> palnj, i'm sick of the post office constantly being in financial straights, when they charge a fraction of what all other comparable post offices globally charge
[12:25] <AlanBell> czajkowski: yes, got them :)
[12:25] <palnj> directhex: true, I guess
[12:26] <AlanBell> directhex: yes, with you on that, I would be fine with them putting the price of a stamp up and ditching second class
[12:26] <directhex> palnj, it ends up with a broken business model where their main skill - taking an item from A to B for pennies overnight - makes little to no money, so they need to supplement it with every unrelated service ever, and bulk-rate carriage for spammers
[12:26] <palnj> Lol
[12:27] <directhex> you think La Poste needs to sell DSL?
[12:27] <BigRedS> I s
[12:27] <BigRedS> till don't understand 2nd class
[12:27] <palnj> AlanBell: true, seeing as no-one really sends post that much anymore now anyways
[12:27] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I forgot who else got them
[12:27] <palnj> What with the miracle of email
[12:27] <directhex> Correos doesn't issue credit cards
[12:27] <palnj> (and IRC, of course)
[12:27] <directhex> PalaPad, yeah! they haven't touched their business model to handle the realities of modern delivery
[12:28] <directhex> in 2012, the post is used for bills, birthday cards, spam, and play.com shipments
[12:30] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I can probably pick you and jon up from Reading station if you like
[12:30] <popey> comics
[12:30] <BigRedS> yeah, and they've basically been forced into competition only in all the possibly profitable bits of their service
[12:30] <BigRedS> so they're a bit stumped when it comes to covering the costs of delviering a letter to anywhere in the uk for 30p or however much a stamp costs
[12:31] <popey> gord: with a guest account I have added some files to Documents but they dont show up in the files lens.. is there some way to trigger a search?
[12:32] <palnj> directhex: and for sending me my Rubik's cubes from China
[12:33] <palnj> popey: isn't the guest account "guest" temporary? i.e. on logout the users home folder and user account are deleted?
[12:33] <gord> popey, its Zeitgeist, until you open them with something, it doesn't know about them
[12:34] <palnj> gord: then does that mean if I download a document from somewhere
[12:34] <palnj> Online, it won't index it until I open it?
[12:35] <gord> it should do, we have special code for that
[12:35] <palnj> Ah alright
[12:35] <gord> popey, you might want to bug mh3r in #u-unity about it
[12:39] <popey> thanks
[12:51] <palnj> And it's gone quiet again here
[12:51] <palnj> :|
[12:51] <Myrtti> it happens
[12:51]  * KrisDouglas achoo
[12:51] <Myrtti> lunch hour or whatever in UK I believe
[12:52] <palnj> Yeah I know but I'm
[12:52] <KrisDouglas> Nobody in my office eats till about 1pm
[12:52] <palnj> Not hugely hungry
[12:52] <directhex> second breakfast.
[12:52]  * popey just had chilli made in the slow cooker
[12:52] <popey> nom
[12:52] <palnj> KrisDouglas: exactly and at school we eat at like 1.15
[12:52] <palnj> And yay, it's half-term
[12:52] <Myrtti> in Finland the lunch is usually between 10.30 and 12.30
[12:52] <palnj> Anyone despising valentines day tomorrow?
[12:53]  * brobostigon is sad, he just marked a tv prog called charmed on the tv,
[12:53] <palnj> • brobostigon: I'm here for you, man
[12:53] <brobostigon> :)
[12:53] <palnj> Anyways, I guess I am hungry
[12:54] <brobostigon> palnj: and i didnt mean unhappy kind of sad.
[12:54]  * palnj ditches everyone for sausages and toast
[12:54] <Myrtti> aw, BF just got tomorrow off (he has to use the few remaining days off of last years annual leaves before March) - we don't have any idea what to do.
[12:54] <palnj> brobostigon: lol, I see what you mean
[12:54] <brobostigon> palnj: :)
[12:54] <palnj> I'm still here for you though :)
[12:55] <palnj> Charmed
[12:55] <palnj> Is pretty funny though
[12:55] <palnj> At times
[12:55] <palnj> My sister used to be an addict
[12:56] <christel> brobostigon: sok, i used to watch charmed, im a saddo too!
[12:57] <brobostigon> christel: loads of good looking men in it, from what i have been told.
[12:58] <christel> mmm it has julian mcmahon in it, he's pretty fit -- and should you swing the other way there's also alyssa milano.. she is mightily hot! :D
[12:59] <brobostigon> christel: and as you said, good looking women also.
[13:00] <brobostigon> christel: i am a man, i will point out here.
[13:03] <brobostigon> christel: i prefer rose mcgowan, who comes in in season 4.
[13:04]  * brobostigon shuts up now.
[13:04] <tugrik> charmed?
[13:04] <tugrik> *sigh*
[13:05]  * tugrik wanders off into his special place for a bit
[13:06] <popey> gord: do you know what the HDMI ish port is called on the x220? I think I need an adapter
[13:06] <christel> ah yes, the ginger girl, she's pretty good looking :)
[13:07]  * popey googles
[13:07] <jpds> popey: DisplayPort?
[13:07] <popey> jpds: dunno, its not the same as the displayport on my mac
[13:07] <popey> which I guess is mini displayport?
[13:08] <davmor2> popey: is it like a hdmi mini or something?
[13:09] <davmor2> ps popey you could always look in the manual that came with the laptop ;)
[13:10] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVeNdSN41Tg says its displayport
[13:10] <brobostigon> christel: :)
[13:11] <gord> popey, yeah its display port, does the little display port logo over the top not give that away? ;)
[13:11] <popey> aha!
[13:11] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
[13:11]  * popey looks for converters
[13:12] <gord> its the good kind that does passive conversion to hdmi, so a converter should be cheep
[13:12] <popey> they all seem to be a tenner or more
[13:18] <oimon_> why do people rush out and buy albums when singers die? do you think they say "hmm i used to own this on tape..time to buy it again", or "who is this singer i've never heard of, maybe i'll buy the best of..."?
[13:19] <davmor2> oimon_: no it's cause they'll never make music again so you must race out and buy all their music all over again
[13:21] <oimon_> davmor2: i'm not sure WH was in danger of making another record
[13:21] <davmor2> oimon_: I didn't say she was, it's just that people suddenly think about it where as they didn't till she dies
[13:22] <popey> hmm, rhythmbox u1 music store broken in 12.04?
[13:22] <popey> I can't play/preview any tracks
[13:22] <oimon_> popey is trying to buy amy winehouse, MJ and whitney records
[13:22] <gord> oh the u1 store is in rb now?
[13:22] <gord> bye bye banshee!
[13:22] <gord> you won't be missed
[13:22] <popey> well, i activateed the plugin
[13:22] <oimon_> i keep banshee for the amazon purchases
[13:24] <gord> yeah preview doesn't seem to work right now
[13:24] <davmor2> popey: annoy aquarius and it will magically work fairly soonish after :)
[13:24] <czajkowski> oh no more banshee!
[13:24] <czajkowski> thats made my day
[13:25] <davmor2> czajkowski: you're on precise right?
[13:25] <czajkowski> yup
[13:25] <czajkowski> only used banshee as I buy music from U1
[13:25] <popey> bah!
[13:25] <popey> ubuntu-bug rhythmbox
[13:26] <popey> click the button that says it's a u1ms issue
[13:26] <popey> "Package rhythmbox does not exist"
[13:26] <popey> ii  rhythmbox      2.95-0ubuntu2  music player and organizer for GNOME
[13:26] <popey> lies
[13:26]  * popey pokes aquarius with a stick
[13:27] <popey> un  rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-stor <none>                         (no description available)
[13:27] <popey> yet the plugin exists in rb
[13:29] <davmor2> popey: the webkit breakage may of knocked off all the plugings
[13:29] <davmor2> -g
[13:31]  * aquarius is poked
[13:31] <aquarius> popey, person to talk to about that is dobey, who isn't awake yet
[13:31] <aquarius> popey, he will be soon, though
[13:31] <czajkowski> he does tend to just fix things
[13:31] <czajkowski> very easily
[13:32] <aquarius> is upgrading safe today?
[13:32] <czajkowski> I've not broken anything yet
[13:32] <czajkowski> aquarius: could you pick a less flame bait topic on G+ I tried to follow it and it was a bit long winded !
[13:33] <aquarius> czajkowski, I was looking for advice; that means casting the net wide!
[13:34]  * gord 100+ comments this morning, decided it was too early for google plus
[13:34] <czajkowski> that was a wide discussion so
[13:34] <gord> *saw
[13:36] <popey> i didnt see many flames on that one
[13:36] <popey> was pretty normal discussion
[13:40] <aquarius> *nod* agreed that it was unflamey :)
[13:40] <czajkowski> http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/video-angry-dad-who-read-daughters-facebook-is-viral-hit-after-shooting-her-laptop-3017945.html  impressive.
[13:41] <diplo> heh watched that the other day czajkowski
[13:41] <diplo> People I chatted to about it all think he missed hdd bay :)
[13:41] <oimon_> fallback mode in precise is borken atm :(
[13:43] <Myrtti> did anyone mention N9?
[13:43] <aquarius> no, but I looked at it.
[13:43] <andylockran> hwody
[13:44] <Myrtti> not that I care anymore, but just out of interest
[13:44] <aquarius> hardware seems pretty (which is why it got reused for the lumia :)) Little concerned about platform abandonment.
[13:44] <Myrtti> for all I care Nokia can go die in a fire
[13:45] <gord> that seems a little harsh ;)
[13:45] <gord> if the nokia HQ goes up in flames, i'll know where to look
[13:45] <aquarius> I'm not worried about lack of apps; I am worried that the n9 OS looks suspiciously like an iOS ripoff, that it may not have a very good browser at all, that the primary audience is techie people who think that being able to compile a kernel for a phone is a good thing,and that there's no ongoing development which means that if I have problems I'll be SOL.
[13:46] <popey> the n9 outsold nokias identical windows phone the lumia
[13:46] <popey> despite the n9 not being very easy to get hold of
[13:46] <Myrtti> aquarius: that's why I've not even considered it myself
[13:46] <gordonjcp> gord: are you now picturing Myrtti wearing thick glasses and going "and - i could - i could - i could burn this building down, you know - and i - i ..."
[13:47] <Myrtti> I have a passionate point of view at things that have made my life miserable
[13:47] <aquarius> Myrtti, but at the moment it's roughly equivalent in terms of "I could use it but there are the following problems" with all the other competitors.
[13:47] <gord> i find it suspicious that when the new android revision comes out, suddenly my android phone starts sucking big time
[13:47] <aquarius> every phone on the market seems to have some sort of issue I really don't like about it. I hate being a community of one.
[13:48] <gord> last night it couldn't even do wifi properly
[13:48] <czajkowski> aquarius: what about a bolt on battery on an android phone ? like an external battery or seomthing
[13:48] <czajkowski> I know I've seen something like it for an iphone
[13:49] <aquarius> czajkowski, then I'd have a phone which is an inch thick, which'd piss me off, and that still wouldn't fix how I find Android annoying ;)
[13:49] <Myrtti> I just installed JuiceDefender on my Nexus One and it has made a significant difference
[13:49] <aquarius> oops, sorry.
[13:49] <aquarius> Myrtti, I had JD; either it didn't help, or it did help and it would have been *even worse* without it.
[13:49] <czajkowski> aquarius: perhaps you over use your phone!
[13:49] <aquarius> Last night, however, I broke the rule of a lifetime and installed a custom ROM on my phone, so we'll see if that helps.
[13:49] <hamitron> :)
[13:50] <aquarius> czajkowski, no such thing. That's how I want to use it; therefore I want a phone which can manage it :)
[13:50] <daubers> aquarius: Nah, all smart phones suck in some manner :)
[13:50] <hamitron> not as smart as they like to "think" they are :/
[13:50] <Myrtti> our little household is pondering between Galaxy Note and Galaxy Nexus, it seems
[13:51] <daubers> It's more a case of finding one which sucks least for you
[13:51] <aquarius> daubers, hence me asking the question and the 100 messages on google+ :)
[13:51] <diplo> aquarius, I just moved to Cyagenmod on my phone, Improved battery life no end
[13:52] <aquarius> diplo, which is exactly what I've done, so maybe it'll help :P
[13:52] <daubers> I find battery life ok on my GS II
[13:52] <daubers> until I sit playing games all day
[13:52] <diplo> Did it last weekend, this weekend I left wireless/mobile on from Friday lunch till the 10% warning came up on Sunday early evening!
[13:52] <diplo> that's with twitter/g+/fb usage + calls and texts
[13:52] <diplo> So overall a huge improvement
[13:53] <AlanBell> anyone come across cas before for single sign on http://www.jasig.org/cas
[13:53] <diplo> It seems to bit the wireless/mobilenet in a type of standby
[13:53] <aquarius> biggest problem with the N9 is that I don't even know who to ask questions like "does it support offline web apps" of
[13:53]  * hamitron wants a smart phone without facebook, twitter and email plastered all over it.... cheap
[13:53] <diplo> AlanBell, Nope sorry
[13:54] <Myrtti> aquarius: #harmattan apparently
[13:54] <diplo> I don't tweet/g+ much myself tbh hamitron
[13:54] <aquarius> Myrtti, that's abotu creating native n9 apps, isn't it?
[13:54] <diplo> But it's good for loo reading :)
[13:54] <Myrtti> yeah, but they know a bit or two about the device itself too... or ask twitterverse
[13:55] <hamitron> diplo, I use real paper stuff at the loo ;/
[13:55] <aquarius> AlanBell, you know about jsgf and pocketsphinx?
[13:55] <Myrtti> #N9club/#N950club tags seem to catch some of the people
[13:55] <AlanBell> aquarius: an incy wincy bit
[13:56] <aquarius> AlanBell, you and I need to have a conversation, then, so I can get quentin working :)
[13:56] <AlanBell> aquarius: what is that then?
[13:56] <aquarius> AlanBell, voice control for my machine
[13:56] <aquarius> AlanBell, primarily for media playing, not desktop control
[13:56] <AlanBell> ok
[13:57] <AlanBell> simon-listens is quite effective
[13:57] <AlanBell> the HUD stuff looks almost made for it
[13:58]  * directhex has an n9 on his desk
[13:58] <directhex> also a pre 3
[13:58] <aquarius> AlanBell, my biggest problem is that I don't know how to influence it so that words stay together. So, if I tell it: here is some grammar, "Top Gear", "The IT Crowd", I never want it to consider "Top Crowd" to be a legitimate utterance. And I don't know how :)
[13:58] <aquarius> directhex, pre's no good for me, purely 'cos I don't like hardware keyboards, which is a shame
[13:58] <aquarius> directhex, do you know things about the n9?
[13:58] <directhex> aquarius, i know it's blue
[13:59]  * aquarius laughs
[13:59] <AlanBell> aquarius: http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx4/javadoc/edu/cmu/sphinx/jsgf/JSGFGrammar.html
 means silence, which I find amusing
[14:00] <directhex> aquarius, it's not the device for me, tbh. it's now my mp3 player and sip phone, but not my all-purpose mobile
[14:00] <aquarius> directhex, I'd be interested in hearing your reasons for that
[14:00] <aquarius> AlanBell, yeah, I read some docs; part of what made me stop playing with it is that the speech stuff wasn't packaged ;(
[14:00] <AlanBell> which part?
[14:01] <directhex> aquarius, a few major major problems with the default apps, combined with a lack of third party apps (compared even to webos)
[14:01] <AlanBell> !info python-pocketsphinx
[14:01] <aquarius> AlanBell, last time I played with this stuff (which was probably 18 months ago, I admit), the packaged versions were broken and old
[14:01] <directhex> aquarius, the main ones are the stress of using it in the car for music & calls, and the twitter app being junk
[14:02] <aquarius> directhex, interesting. I'm not too worried about third-party apps; I have learned that I use about ten apps and that's it. What's stressful about the car?
[14:03] <aquarius> how much does an N9 cost these days? I'll port U1 to it if I get one, so that'll cover most of my needs ;)
[14:03] <AlanBell> aquarius: the julius engine isn't packaged (some doubt about licensing from the japanese university behind it) which is keeping simon-listens out of debian last time I checked, but the cmusphinx and pocketsphinx engines are there (might be old)
[14:03] <directhex> aquarius, let me describe the scene. i play music via the headphone socket on my phone, and when a call comes in, the car switches into bluetooth headset mode & takes the call via the integrated microphone under the dashboard. make sense? this is how i did things with the pre and the htc hero in my android youth
[14:04] <directhex> aquarius, the car absolutely cannot do music via bluetooth, it does not advertise support for the "stereo headphone" profile, only the "headset", "car kit" and "address book" profiles
[14:05] <directhex> aquarius, so the hero was okay with this setup, except after a call i had to unpause the music. the pre3 did everything right.
[14:05] <aquarius> directhex, interesting. That specific point doesn't worry me right at this moment, because I play music in the car by plugging a wire into the headphone socket, but I take your point!
[14:06] <directhex> aquarius, the n9 will only output audio via the most recently connected audio device, full stop. so if i start playback, hit the ignition, then i get about three seconds of audio through the car - until the bluetooth connects, and the phone declares "bluetooth! output all music via bluetooth!"
[14:06]  * aquarius laughs
[14:06] <aquarius> that seems unideal.
[14:06] <AlanBell> hack the car
[14:06] <directhex> aquarius, the fix is to unplug and replug the headphone cable. howEVER, now, if i receive a call, i get silence, because the n9 has declared "headphone! all headset audio via headphone!" instead of bluetooth
[14:07] <directhex> android and webos could handle the mixed scenario. harmattan can not
[14:07] <aquarius> right. That seems a bit broken, indeed; that's what worries me about the N9, not that there are these problems, but that these problems will never ever ever be fixed
[14:08] <Neoti> hi all been a while...
[14:10] <andylockran> it has
[14:10] <andylockran> welcome bck
[14:12] <Neoti> im on the look out for a new job, i know windows stuff, linux stuff, voip stuff/asterisk..... based in nottingham... lolz.
[14:13] <andylockran> Neoti: send your CV to www.medoc.co.uk
[14:13] <andylockran> :p
[14:13] <Neoti> andylockran - www.phillipcooper.co.uk
[14:14] <Neoti> andylockran - http://phillipcooper.co.uk/about-me/my-cv/
[14:14] <Neoti> but i will also email them
[14:14] <Neoti> thanks andylockran
[14:16] <directhex> aquarius, the 1.2 update is due soon. it may fix some retardation
[14:17] <directhex> aquarius, the other painful one is that the design specs say your app should prompt for internet access if needed - but the twitter app takes it to extremes, and spams "connect to internet" popups if you're offline (e.g. on a eurostar)
[14:18] <aquarius> ouch
[14:23] <aquarius> ooh, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Resources/Library/Web/nokia-browsers/nokia-browser-85-for-meego-12-harmattan/html5-support/offline-storage/application-cache.html implies that the n9 supports offline web apps.
[14:23] <aquarius> suddenly I am leaning towards an n9.
[14:23] <Neoti> andylockran email sent thanks!
[14:25] <Myrtti> oh no
[14:25] <Myrtti> I should have kept quiet about N9
[14:25] <aquarius> Myrtti, this seems... promising.
[14:25] <Myrtti> you're giving money to the devil :-|
[14:25]  * Myrtti goes to sacrifice her old 3310 on the altar
[14:26] <Myrtti> fortunately I can't keep angry for long
[14:26] <aquarius> Myrtti, buying a competent smartphone is merely deciding which devil to give money to.
[14:27] <Myrtti> indeed
[14:28] <Myrtti> well atleast if you get one assembled in Finland you know that labourwise you've given your money to the marginally lesser evils
[14:28] <Myrtti> ie. not Foxconn
[14:29] <directhex> didn't nokia close their salo factory?#
[14:30] <directhex> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/09/technology/nokia-to-cut-4000-jobs-at-3-factories.html
[14:30] <Myrtti> not yet
[14:30] <Myrtti> it was just announced last week, it's not an instant process
[14:31] <Myrtti> and the whole factory isn't going to go apparently
[14:33] <directhex> yet
[14:33] <Myrtti> yet.
[14:37] <jonsaint> hi all, need some help! all my pcs are now running ubuntu but thing is, how can i block websites?? im asking this because of my kids.
[14:37] <s-fox> Hello.
[14:37] <directhex> jonsaint, OS-agnostic solution is http://www.opendns.com/
[14:38] <hamitron> jonsaint, I like opendns
[14:38] <hamitron> ^ beat me to it :/
[14:38] <dogmatic69> jonsaint: easy way is hosts file
[14:38] <jonsaint> how does it actually work?
[14:38] <dogmatic69> just add 127.0.0.1 site.com
[14:38] <dogmatic69> redirects site.com to 127.0.0.1
[14:38] <jpds> dogmatic69: Sounds like a large hosts file is coming up.
[14:39] <aquarius> jonsaint, is your plan to (a) prevent access to certain named sites, or (b) allow access only to certain named sites and block all the others, or (c) have someone else decide on a list of all sites that should be blocked and use that list?
[14:40] <directhex> jonsaint, a DNS server is like an internet phonebook which turns an address (like www.ubuntu.com) into an actual network address (like 91.189.94.156) - if you replace your ISP's DNS server with opendns, then you can use their service to filter out certain classes of site from their name resolution
[14:40] <jonsaint> aquarius,  its to stop my kids going on sites i dont want them on, i want to choose what sites to block
[14:40] <hamitron> opendns is certainly easiest
[14:40] <gordonjcp> jonsaint: you could look at the site filtering options in something like OpenWRT
[14:41] <dogmatic69> opendns sounds like a good one, you can just block sites like ...
[14:41] <directhex> the advantage to using opendns for this is you admin it from one place - i.e. you set your router to use opendns, then all computers on your network get opendns-filtered results
[14:41] <aquarius> jonsaint, then the hosts file approach is the low-budget super-techie way to do it, but it doesn't require any additional software; as mentioned, edit the file /etc/hosts with superuser privileges, and then add "siteiwanttoblock.com 127.0.0.1" on a new line.
[14:41] <gordonjcp> jonsaint: the best method is parental oversight ;-)
[14:41] <hamitron> but that wouldn't block gb.siteiwanttoblock.com
[14:42] <hamitron> ;)
[14:42] <jonsaint> so all in all, whats the best, free way of blocking sites i want to block??
[14:42] <directhex> http://www.opendns.com/home-solutions/parental-controls/
[14:42] <dogmatic69> hamitron: or ninjaproxy.com/siteiwantotblock.com etc
[14:42] <directhex> oh, free. i guess hosts hacking.
[14:43] <jonsaint> aint opendns free?
[14:43] <ikonia> ha ha
[14:43] <hamitron> opendns free package is all i need
[14:43] <gordonjcp> directhex: or OpenWRT
[14:43] <gordonjcp> jonsaint: how old are your children?
[14:43] <directhex> jonsaint, $20 per year for the configurable option
[14:43] <jonsaint> 10 plus one bit older
[14:43] <gordonjcp> jonsaint: this has a bearing on whether or not you want to whitelist or blacklist
[14:43] <hamitron> but then you need to also set a firewall and other stuff on your router, if you think users will try work their way around :/
[14:44] <gordonjcp> jonsaint: okay, you do realise that anything you do to filter their Internet connection will last about ten minutes?
[14:44] <directhex> gordonjcp, yeah, as soon as he gets an advanced degree in wrtology
[14:44] <jonsaint> i got a bt hub which is a router and modem all in one
[14:44] <directhex> heh, yeah. i started surfing for porn at, i dunno, eleven?
[14:44] <directhex> bloody dialup
[14:44] <gordonjcp> kids these days with your high speed internet pr0n
[14:45] <hamitron> directhex, trained you to "wait longer"? ;/
[14:45] <gordonjcp> jonsaint: I'm not sure if the BT Homehub has filtering
[14:45] <gordonjcp> jonsaint: it might do
[14:45] <ikonia> directhex: as in 11.am today ?
[14:45] <jonsaint> no it dont, you have to download their net protect software but its only for crappy windows
[14:46] <gordonjcp> hm, okay
[14:46] <directhex> ikonia, yes, but also when i was 11 years old
[14:46] <jonsaint> anyway folks il give it a go. many thanks for the help and info :-)
[14:47] <hamitron> I'd use opendns, with a firewall to stop outgoing connections, and then run a local proxy
[14:47] <gordonjcp> hamitron: not sure if that'll work
[14:47] <gordonjcp> hamitron: the BT Homehub is pretty locked down
[14:47] <ikonia> directhex: late starter then huh
[14:47] <hamitron> oh, you'd need another device probably
[14:47] <gordonjcp> hamitron: yea
[14:47] <gordonjcp> tbh the best bet would be to just stick a cacheing proxy in
[14:47] <hamitron> sure it can handle opendns and firewall?
[14:48] <gordonjcp> or, you know, watch what your children are doing on the Internet
[14:48] <gordonjcp> and, radical as this idea might sound
[14:48] <hamitron> it is the best
[14:48] <hamitron> ;)
[14:48] <gordonjcp> try actually doing parent-y things
[14:48] <gordonjcp> instead of expecting a magic box to fix it all for you and bring up your children
[14:48] <hamitron> as with many things, tech can't fully replace human input
[14:49]  * gordonjcp <- cynical, has no children
[14:49] <gordonjcp> I was at one point a child though, and I do still have one parent
[14:49] <ikonia> gordonjcp: it's true, bring them up so they are not idiot/scum/liars and can be trusted to surf and take in stuff properly
[14:50] <hamitron> but all kids break rules
[14:50] <hamitron> ;)
[14:50] <gordonjcp> ikonia: what we did for a mate of mine about ten years ago was set up a cacheing proxy
[14:50] <hamitron> if given the chance
[14:50] <gordonjcp> caching? cacheing?
[14:50] <gordonjcp> anyway
[14:50] <gordonjcp> the house rules were, don't go poking about in stuff your parents wouldn't want you looking at
[14:50] <gordonjcp> if you click on something by accident, well these things happen
[14:51] <gordonjcp> but it's all logged and porn popups look very different to a concerted effort to find boobies
[14:51] <gordonjcp> so, play fair
[14:51] <ikonia> gordonjcp: to be honest, my parents trusted me to do what I wanted with most things (interenet wasn't really a big deal at that time) but no matter what I saw, I was sane enough to not send naked picturs of myself on chat rooms etc
[14:51] <gordonjcp> of course if they rooted the proxy and wiped the logs, destroying all the evidence of their deviant pr0n habits, then that just shows initiative, doesn't it?
[14:52] <gordonjcp> ikonia: exactly
[14:52] <hamitron> so does robbing a bank and not getting caught
[14:52] <hamitron> doesn't make it right ;/
[14:52] <directhex> looks like homehub 3 dns cannot be changed, full stop
[14:52] <gordonjcp> directhex: yup
[14:52] <directhex> gotta change dns server on every client pc
[14:52] <ikonia> this stuff about "we need a panic button on facebook" - no your kids need to not send naked photos of themselves to strangers, and you need a slap for bringing them up bad
[14:52] <gordonjcp> ikonia: bingo
[14:53] <directhex> ikonia, can i send naked photos of myself to people i know?
[14:53] <gordonjcp> ikonia: someone I follow on Facebook posted about some rape trial in Ireland
[14:53] <ikonia> directhex: if I'm on the list, sure, I'd hate to miss out
[14:53] <hamitron> I still think it is easy for a child to be misled
[14:53] <AlanBell> ikonia: that panic button thing is a big fat PR scam
[14:53] <hamitron> not all the parents fault
[14:53] <gordonjcp> ikonia: where the outrage is that the judge has said that the rape victim may have, by wandering around town late at night wearing not much, may just have some responsibility herself for what happened
[14:54] <ikonia> AlanBell: thank you for lifting the wool from my eyes, ;)
[14:54] <ikonia> gordonjcp: insanity
[14:54] <AlanBell> ikonia: I actually am registered as an official somethingorother to do with that
[14:54] <ikonia> AlanBell: I look forward to chatting to you when I hit the panic button as directhex has sent me his naked pictures
[14:55] <AlanBell> I filled out the form and said I would like to implement a panic button for Ubuntu, so I wanted access to their sekrit resources
[14:55] <directhex> you prefer the shots in leather or latex?
[14:55] <gordonjcp> to which I'm tempted to reply saying that if you wander around with a fat roll of 20s in your pocket and you get robbed walking around drunk in a bad area at midnight, who is really to blame?
[14:55] <hamitron> poor ikonia? o.O
[14:55] <AlanBell> which turned out to be one .gif file
[14:55] <ikonia> directhex: surprise me.
[14:55] <directhex> steel it is!
[14:55] <hamitron> gordonjcp, you, for not kicking their butt ;)
[14:55] <ikonia> directhex: cold steel ?
[14:56] <gordonjcp> ikonia: or the girl who came into the noodle bar on Saturday with an equally pissed-up group of her friends
[14:56] <ikonia> gordonjcp: I bet 20+ morons hit "like" on that link
[14:56] <directhex> ikonia, how else?
[14:56] <ikonia> directhex: just checking
[14:56] <gordonjcp> ikonia: wearing what looked like half an Ann Summers-style outfit
[14:56] <ikonia> clearly I need to frequent noodle bars
[14:57] <gordonjcp> ikonia: and then started giving some random guy a lapdance while her friends cheered her on
[14:57] <gordonjcp> stay classy
[14:57] <ikonia> can't wait to take her home to meet the family
[14:57] <AlanBell> I am delighted to tell you that your registration to access our Digital Asset Library for an Ubuntu Linux desktop application has been accepted and you have now joined literally thousands of professionals from across the UK working with us to make the internet a safer place for young users.
[14:57] <ikonia> AlanBell: I'm sleeping easy tonight
[14:57] <gordonjcp> ikonia: indeed
[14:58] <AlanBell> ceop is a marketing scam
[15:05] <oimon_> hamitron: opendns went crazy on me the other day and haven't changed back yet - did you have the same probs?
[15:05] <oimon_> started blocking search engines as a disallowed site
[15:15] <BigRedS> Hm. Finding packages for Etch is rather harder than I'd imagined
[15:17] <aquarius> BigRedS, that's because it's been out of support for about a hundred years :P
[15:20] <BigRedS> aquarius: pffft. details! :)
[15:28] <hamitron> oimon_, didn't notice
[15:29] <oimon_> hamitron: hmm. could access most sites, almost missed my train changing the dns on the router before leaving for work so mrs could do stuff
[15:29] <hamitron> sorry for delay, disadvantage of using loads of machines at once
[15:29] <hamitron> ;)
[15:29] <oimon_> s/could/could not
[15:29] <hamitron> :/
[15:29] <zleap> hello
[15:29] <hamitron> it let me open a site it should have had blocked a while ago
[15:30] <hamitron> but was a one off
[15:32] <oimon_> which one ? ilovesheep.com?
[15:33] <zleap> wha command shows processes running
[15:33] <oimon_> top
[15:33] <zleap> what is the otherone
[15:33] <oimon_> ps -ef
[15:33] <zleap> thats it
[15:33] <zleap> thanks
[15:34] <zleap> ok according to that i have openssh server running
[15:34] <zleap> which is good
[15:38] <hamitron> oimon_, some facebook page
[16:01] <oimon_> mmm after-eight sweets..best things out there
[16:02] <oimon_> AKA mintoes?
[16:05] <christel> after eights <3
[16:06] <oimon_> sending off 4 delay repay forms to my train company :(
[16:09] <BigRedS> you have a train company?
[16:15] <oimon_> i pay so much i feel that i'm a part owner.
[16:16] <oimon_> conveniently they changed franchise last week so the previous delays probably won't be honoured (even though the addresses of the offices are all the same etc)
[16:21] <dwatkins> after eights are minty choclatey things, I don't think they're the same as mintoes
[16:22] <KrisDouglas> Does anyone here follow the elementary project, and if so, what are your thoughts on the user interface guidelines?
[16:28] <oimon_> dwatkins: mint munchies?
[16:28] <oimon_> ah, mintola!
[16:28] <oimon_> In 1995, the confectionery formerly known as Mintola (near-identical in appearance to Munchies, but consisting of plain chocolate with a mint fondant centre) was renamed Mint Munchies.[2] In 2006, Mint Munchies were again renamed, this time as After Eight Bitesize.[3]
[16:29] <oimon_> so sooooo good
[16:29] <dwatkins> 'After Eight Thin Mints (After Eights) are a confectionery product described as "mint enrobed in dark chocolate"'
[16:29] <bigcalm> I miss the pirimint (that nobody else remembers)
[16:30] <oimon_> i also have love hearts, but they make my tummy bloty
[16:30] <oimon_> bloaty
[16:30] <KrimZon_2> what were pirimint?
[16:31] <davmor2> dwatkins: Come on sir one wafffffffer thin mint
[16:31] <oimon_> just had 2 manic hours where i shaved 4 tedious items off the to-do list..one more to do before hometime :D
[16:32]  * dwatkins ponders clcling in tomorrow
[16:32] <dwatkins> also, cycling, perhaps
[16:40] <oimon_> what todo list management can you guys recommend? i use google stuff a lot if it helps
[16:41] <dwatkins> I tend to keep a list of stuff on springpad, oimon_ - not quite a todo list, but it syncs nicely between devices most of the time
[16:41] <oimon_> dwatkins: sounds similar to my existing arrangement of a TODO note on tomboy
[16:42] <daubers> oimon_: Post it notes, a pen and a bin :)
[16:42] <oimon_> i am also looking forward to getting a stylus for my touchpad though...
[16:42] <oimon_> post it notes don't sync very well
[16:44] <oimon_> found a brilliant app for my 2yr old..called drumkit
[16:44] <dwatkins> post-it notes are difficult to transport.
[16:44] <oimon_> also good for the 2yr old in me...
[16:46] <oimon_> finally remembered to download the free copy of linux journal for the train journey
[16:49] <oimon_> if i use disk utility to encrpy a drive, what method is it using? cryptoluks? something else?
[16:49] <oimon_> s/encrpy/encrypt
[16:52] <oimon_> looks like luks
[16:54] <daubers> Probably is luks using cryptsetup
[17:07] <DJones> Hmmh, just been asked by one of the directors at work, if they get rid of our IT support contract, would I be happy taking over the admin of a couple of server.....Let's think.... Windows server (very old version), Obsolete hardware held together with glue & rubber bands, hard drives stuffed full & nothing can be deleted, no backups.......Er No thanks
[17:08] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: did you want to come to the rugby meet up?
[17:08] <popey> hah DJones
[17:09] <DJones> popey: They were the up-sides to it :)
[17:10] <gord> cool, nabbed bug 670000 in gnome
[17:10] <gord> round numbers \o/
[17:10] <gord> shut up ubutu
[17:13] <popey> gnome bug 670000
[17:13] <popey> ☺
[17:15] <gord> clever
[18:24] <zleap> will gwibber have support for google+
[18:26] <davmor2> zleap: from the twitter-sphere I see that there is a provisional branch which for now just authenticates and not much else so WIP
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> g+ has an api now?
[18:28] <zleap> ok
[18:29] <zleap> ok thanks
[18:29] <zleap> just got gwibber face book and facebook chat working
[18:29] <gord> few months ago i heard that google would api up the hangouts stuff, would be awesome
[18:30] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: afaik it has had a read-only API for some time now
[18:31] <zleap> sounds good
[18:39] <AlanBell> https://developers.google.com/+/hangouts/
[18:44]  * popey pokes marxjohnson 
[18:44]  * marxjohnson knows, and will sort it out in a minute
[18:45] <popey> hah
[18:49] <marxjohnson> it should be good to go, if you copy podpress.css and podpress_theme.css and put them back in after the update that should work
[18:49] <marxjohnson> If not, I'll make sure I fix it before Ep0 is out
[18:50] <marxjohnson> sorry, podpress_theme.php
[18:52] <popey> k
[18:53] <popey> will have a go later, ta
[18:57] <jaustin> join /ubuntu-release
[18:57] <jaustin> gah
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> it's not April yet ;)
[19:42] <solakola> hi
[19:42] <zleap> hi
[19:42] <daubers> o/
[19:42]  * zleap is reading linux magazine
[19:42] <zleap> got it for £1  as I had a £5 mail rewards voucher
[19:42] <zleap> acutally no 99p
[19:43] <zleap> as its £5.99
[19:52] <siamese> hi
[19:52] <siamese> fail
[19:56] <zleap> hi
[19:56] <zleap> why fail ?
[19:56] <Azelphur> zleap: because you failed :o
[19:57] <zleap> why have i failed
[19:57] <Azelphur> I havn't decided a reason yet, but I can assure you that you failed
[19:57]  * zleap looks at windows PC and can confirm its off
[19:57] <Azelphur> lol
[19:57]  * zleap looks at ubuntu box and can confirm its working
[19:58]  * zleap looks at printer error and confirms its not fixed yet
[19:58] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:58] <zleap> 3 computers running 11.10
[19:59] <zleap> 1 of which is dual boot with Windows
[20:14] <zleap> i seem to have 3 stuffed toy tux penguins,  and 1 tux stress shape
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> Aww: http://i.imgur.com/MAtr9.jpg
[21:15] <zleap> cool
[21:15] <zleap> lego dog tags
[21:15] <zleap> now stand 2 people back to back,  and clip em together using lego :D
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> zleap: Well the two parts form a heart.. like the ones people wear shared with their boy/girlfriend
[21:16] <zleap> ah sorry
[21:17] <zleap> i see that shape now :D
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> zleap: you still have time before Valentine's day l;)
[21:17]  * zleap has lego in the attic
[21:17] <zleap> :(
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> zleap: Run up there, find pieces, find 2 chains, give to gf?
[21:18] <zleap> ok will need to find a gf too
[21:18] <zleap> no I don't keep any in the attic
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> Basement?
[21:18] <zleap> nope
[21:18]  * popey has lego in the lounge
[21:18] <zleap> yay
[21:20]  * MartijnVdS has some lego as well
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> but I don't know if I have that piece
[21:20] <zleap> hmm
[21:20] <zleap> nor me
[21:20] <zleap> i have lots of lego castle parts
[21:23] <zleap> http://www.leocad.org/trac
[21:23] <zleap> that pic looks cool
[21:24] <zleap> is there a ubuntu package for that in the repos
[21:25] <zleap> well to asnwer that no, not in software center anyway
[21:41] <brunogirin> popey: what sort of lego?
[21:42] <brunogirin> does anybody know what package I should report a defect against if I have a problem in system settings?
[21:43] <popey> gnome-control-center
[21:43] <brunogirin> thanks popey!
[21:43] <popey> np
[21:43] <czajkowski> *yawns*
[21:43] <czajkowski> am pooped
[21:58] <AlanBell> hard day at work?