[08:11] <tbf> hi, someone remembering how remove the own name from the panel?
[08:12] <tbf> afair there was as setting to only show the icon (or even presence state?)
[08:12] <tbf> ah, no. that's even fast user switching
[08:32] <Saviq> morning, all
[08:37] <tsdgeos> morning
[10:43] <rye> erm, bug #930165 - may i ask anybody how such behavior can be "designed" - it is clearly broken when the user expects the mouse to move to another desktop seamlessly?
[10:43] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 930165 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity launcher push-to-reveal code continues working in always-show - makes multimonitor navigation harder" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930165
[11:06] <rye> ping JohnLea, may I inquire about bug #930165 which was "invalidated" by design?
[11:06] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 930165 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity launcher push-to-reveal code continues working in always-show - makes multimonitor navigation harder" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930165
[11:08] <JohnLea> rhy; that bug was invalidated by dx, not design (it was not marked as also affects ayatana-design so we have not looked at it).  But reviewing it now, one sec
[11:11] <JohnLea> rhy; there are multiple parts to this interaction.  The 'reveal edge' is disabled when the launcher is locked out, but 'Edge stop' is not only related to the launcher and should stay on in multi-monitor configs.  It is symmetrical (we also use it to make scrollbars easier to grab on the right side of the screen in multi-monitor setups), and most importantly it allows a window semi-maximise to be triggered on the joining edge between
[11:11] <JohnLea> two monitors.
[11:12] <rye> JohnLea, ah, so this is not launcher-related. Scrollbars access is a really valid concern, now I understand the idea, hm
[11:13] <JohnLea> rye; semi-maximise is the more important use case
[11:13] <JohnLea> rhy; but yes scrollbars as well
[11:14] <JohnLea> rhy; however with the launcher locked out it should be less 'sticky' because only the 'edge stop' is triggered
[11:15] <rye> hm, i wonder how to measure stickiness
[11:21] <rye> JohnLea, hm, when i stack the windows vertically, edge stop does not work at all
[11:21] <rye> JohnLea, i suppose this is a different bug then
[11:21] <JohnLea> rhy; you mean stack monitors vertically?
[11:22] <rye> JohnLea, yes, sorry, when the displays is stacked vertically I cannot maximize the window by dragging it to the top of a secondary display
[11:22] <JohnLea> rye; yes that's a bug, it would be much appreciated if you could report it and ping me the bug number.  thx!
[11:23] <rye> JohnLea, also, the mouse skips freely in vertical direction
[11:24] <JohnLea> rhy; yes that's a bug, the 'edge' stop should be triggered in all axis equally.  This is important to fix so that users can use the 'drag window to the top of the screen to maximise' gesture in vertically aligned multi-monitor configs
[11:29] <aquarius> JohnLea, I come to disagree with you a little about edge resistance on multiple monitors ;-)
[11:31] <JohnLea> aquarius; you are more than welcome to ;-)
[11:31] <rye> JohnLea, bug #931384
[11:31] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931384 in unity (Ubuntu) "Windows can't be maximized on the lower display in vertically-stacked configuration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931384
[11:32] <JohnLea> aquarius; but right now I am doing reviews with two developers who both have been up all night (and the weekend) coding to hit feature freeze, and they can't go to sleep until I have finished these reviews, so wait 30 min.  then I'm all yours ;-)
[11:33] <aquarius> JohnLea, I agree that edge resistance allows semi-maximising a window on the joining edge between two monitors, but that only applies *when I'm dragging a window*. When I'm not, it makes it way awkward to move the mouse between monitors :(
[11:40]  * aquarius happily waits 30 minutes for response :)
[12:07] <JohnLea> rye; thanks!
[12:07] <JohnLea> aquarius; are you using a trackpad or a mouse?
[12:08] <aquarius> JohnLea, trackpad
[12:09] <JohnLea> aquarius; when did you last update?
[12:09] <aquarius> few days ago
[12:10] <JohnLea> aquarius; try updating now, and then test again.  There are a bunch of known issues in that area, some of which are hopefully now fixed ;-)  Test again after update and then ping me
[12:12] <aquarius> will do
[12:26] <htorque> JohnLea: hi! can you maybe comment on my post in bug 865239?
[12:26] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 865239 in unity "Launcher - The background of the BFB, Workspace Switcher, Lens, and Trash launcher icons tiles need to use a higher saturation of the average background colour of the wallpaper" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865239
[12:39] <popey> mhr3: gord said I should ask you about this...
[12:39] <gord> i didn't say you should tell him i sent you =\
[12:39] <popey> lol
[12:39] <gord> mhr3, he's lying
[12:39] <popey> good job #ubuntu-uk is logged
[12:40]  * mhr3 goes to grab the logs
[12:40] <popey> I have a guest account I just made to test / demo stuff. i have put some files in Documents but when i do Super+F and search, I don't see them. Is there any way to force (zeitgeist?) to index them?
[12:40] <mhr3> gord! you evil puppet master!
[12:41] <mhr3> popey, yea, open nautilus, navigate to them and double click them, should do it
[12:43] <rye> hmmm, is that throbber which shows "loading" state in unity supposed to float up and down while circling
[12:43] <rye> ok, me is being too picky
[12:44] <popey> mhr3: ah, you have to open stuff to make it appear?
[12:44] <mhr3> popey, usually, yea, there are some nautilus patches that should log copying as well (not in ubuntu yet though)
[12:45] <popey> mhr3: so if i setup a new computer and sync U1 it's never going to find files until I start opening them?
[12:45] <mhr3> popey, iirc u1 does log stuff into zg so that should work
[12:45] <popey> cool, thanks.
[12:46] <mhr3> popey, feel free to open a bug it it doesn't though :)
[12:46] <popey> ok
[13:15] <AlanBell> anyone know where in dbus the global menu is (if it is there)
[13:16] <AlanBell> basically I want to see what the HUD sees
[13:39] <aquarius> AlanBell, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dbusmenu-team/dbusmenu/trunk.0.6/view/head:/libdbusmenu-glib/dbus-menu.xml suggests that there's an interface called com.canonical.dbusmenu, but I don't know which name on the bus provides objects that export that interface. ted gould is your man for that, although gord might know :)
[13:42] <gord> those are per app and really not for snooping on ;)
[13:43] <gord> AlanBell, do you want to see the menus or what hud presents?
[13:44] <gord> AlanBell, com.canonical.hud for what the hud presents, com.canonical.AppMenu.Registrar for a links to menus
[13:53] <AlanBell> gord: I want to scoop up the stuff that HUD could potentially find, and make a jsgf grammar file from it and point pocketsphinx at it and see what happens
[13:55] <AlanBell> ah, and d-feet does case sensitive searching, which is why I couldn't find "menu"
[14:55] <greyback> didrocks: hey, could you please rebase this with trunk: lp:~didrocks/unity-2d/lock_launcher, I want to merge some test fixes in to it before approving it
[14:55] <didrocks> greyback: sure
[14:59] <didrocks> greyback: done
[14:59] <greyback> didrocks: thanks
[15:00] <didrocks> yw :)
[15:05] <sbte> htorque, I just found a supposedly huge amount of leaks in the network indicator
[15:05] <sbte> maybe that's what you're seeing
[15:05] <sbte> I'll fix them when I get home
[15:28] <greyback> didrocks: if you approve this please, then I can merge: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/unity-2d/hide-mode-zero-test-fixes/+merge/92778
[15:28]  * didrocks reviews
[15:30] <didrocks> greyback: you are stil testing at some point intellihide, despite the fact it should be removed from the code?
[15:30] <didrocks> (I guess this is on purpose, just checking ;))
[15:32] <greyback> didrocks: some tests rely on intellihide, and will need complete rewriting. That MR just ensures those tests that need intellihide still get it, most others don't care.
[15:32] <didrocks> greyback: make sense :)
[15:43] <gang65_> Hi
[15:43] <gang65_> My name is Bartosz
[15:43] <gang65_> I'm implementing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/874254
[15:43] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 874254 in unity-2d "top bar, integrated menu - when a application is first launched, the integrated menu should be displayed for 2 seconds before fading out of view" [High,In progress]
[15:44] <didrocks> greyback: approved
[15:46] <gang65_> greyback: in launcherapplication.cpp there is onWindowAdded Qslot
[15:46] <gang65_> Do you think it is possible to detect new opened app with that signal?
[16:04] <greyback> didrocks: great, thanks
[16:04] <didrocks> thanks to you :)
[16:05] <gord> om26er, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/931409 - can you test with the staging compiz please?
[16:05] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931409 in unity (Ubuntu) "[regression trunk] raising a minimized window while desktop is focused is buggy" [High,Confirmed]
[16:05] <gord> i know the revision that causes that, but not sure if its a revision that works with new compiz and is just buggy with precice compiz or what
[16:09] <greyback> gang65_: possible, maybe, but I'd prefer a solution similar to Unity's approach. dbusmenu appears to offer enough information to determine if application is new. I'll investigate tomorrow, kinda busy today, sorry.
[16:10] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[16:10] <tsdgeos> any idea what went wrong here? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/automerge-dee-qt/8/console
[16:10] <gang65_> greyback: no hurry. I will investigate it futher
[16:11] <popey> didrocks: whilst running checkbox unity I discovered bug 931471 bug 931483 bug 931473 and bug 931499
[16:11] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931471 in Compiz Core "Glitches / flicker when moving windows between workspaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931471
[16:11] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931483 in Compiz Core "Launcher 'pips' don't update on multiple workspaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931483
[16:11] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931473 in Compiz Core "Menus don't fully appear" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931473
[16:11] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931499 in Compiz Core "Navigating up and down in files lens doesn't highlight "more results"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931499
[16:11] <popey> (may not all be compiz bugs of course)
[16:12] <didrocks> popey: the first one is the dup of the one I reported
[16:13] <didrocks> looking at the other once my chromium will be a little more kind
[16:13] <didrocks> bit*
[16:15] <didrocks> popey: interesting, for bug #931483, that would mean the test case isn't updated, can you check with sil2100? he knows where they are
[16:15] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931483 in Compiz Core "Launcher 'pips' don't update on multiple workspaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931483
[16:16] <didrocks> popey: bug #931473 is interesting, adding it to the tracked list as medium
[16:16] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931473 in Compiz Core "Menus don't fully appear" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931473
[16:16] <didrocks> and last one is clearly unity, I'm reassigning
[16:17] <didrocks> popey: thanks for the testing!
[16:17] <popey> np
[16:17] <om26er> didrocks, hey! the compiz in the ~unity-team ppa will that work with unity from trunk?
[16:18] <didrocks> om26er: you mean, with compiz?
[16:18] <didrocks> om26er: as the ~unity-team ppa is the unity from trunk
[16:18] <om26er> didrocks, we have the unity staging ppa and the compiz 0.9.7 in one ppa
[16:19] <om26er> will the both work together/
[16:19] <didrocks> om26er: it's in didrocks/ppa right
[16:19] <didrocks> om26er: I pushed compiz, it's currently building and I updated the unity packaging
[16:19] <didrocks> om26er: so next merge against unity will build using the latest compiz
[16:20] <om26er> seems sam pushed one to unity-team/compiz-testng
[16:20] <didrocks> ah not myself then
[16:20] <didrocks> check with him, wondering if it's not lamalex's daily build though
[16:20] <om26er> didrocks, alright i'll wait for next compiz build
[16:20] <om26er> *unity build i meant
[16:21] <greyback> didrocks: I hate to keep annoying you, but Jenkins failing on a qt-dee build: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/automerge-dee-qt/8/console any ideas?
[16:23] <om26er> gord, i'll test that once there is a new build in the staging ppa against new compiz
[16:23] <didrocks> greyback: gvfs-backends if available though, did it just happened?
[16:24] <gord> om26er, is that today? have to make a decision on weather i'm reverting the revision or not
[16:24] <greyback> didrocks: yeah, just a little while ago
[16:24] <om26er> gord, compiz is uploaded to precise archive its just a matter of a new merge in staging ppa so it builds again
[16:24] <didrocks> greyback: let me try to apt-get install to see if it's a publisher hookups
[16:24] <gord> om26er, okay cool
[16:25] <didrocks> greyback: my bet is that they just promoted dbus-test-runner to main and moved gvfs-backends as well
[16:25] <didrocks> greyback: but this one wasn't published
[16:26] <greyback> didrocks: ok
[16:27] <didrocks> tedg: was there any change in dbus-test-runner?
[16:28] <tedg> didrocks, any change between when and when?
[16:29] <didrocks> tedg: not sure, we start to see it unstable because of gfvs-backcend
[16:29] <didrocks> are you aware about any main promotion?
[16:29] <didrocks> which can explain the transition
[16:30] <didrocks> hum, it was done a couple of weeks ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-test-runner/+bug/890428
[16:30] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 890428 in dbus-test-runner (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dbus-test-runner" [Undecided,Fix released]
[16:31] <tedg> didrocks, Yes, I'm familiar with that.  It was done for me :-)
[16:31] <didrocks> apt-cache show gvfs-backend
[16:31] <didrocks> -> can't find the package
[16:32] <didrocks> ah, there is an s
[16:33] <didrocks> that's weird, it's published and here
[16:37] <didrocks> greyback: ok, seems it was a glitch in the publishers, I did it manually on the pbuilder and now it can catch it from the archives
[16:37] <didrocks> greyback: please reapprove the dee-qt branch first for instance
[16:37] <greyback> didrocks: ok cool, thank you for digging
[16:37] <didrocks> greyback: no worry, ping me back if something goes bad :)
[16:59] <mfisch> is there an API to add an entry to the launcher?  The LauncherAPI that I found seems to be for progress indicators
[17:03] <htorque> sbte: maybe - the nm-applet is part of the application indicators afaict
[17:04] <mfisch> I tried the gsettings key, but modifying it does not seem to have any affect on my launcher
[17:05] <didrocks> greyback: you should maybe wait before reapproving, the amd64 builders are slowly recovering
[17:05] <sbte> htorque, I was actually looking at the wrong log, so I was also looking for leaks in the wrong place ;P
[17:06] <htorque> there's no right place for a leak :P
[17:06] <greyback> didrocks: ah, ok
[17:06] <greyback> might be too late :)
[17:07] <didrocks> greyback: be ready for an insult from tarmac/jenkins/pbuilder :p
[17:07] <didrocks> sorry, but that's the issue on building on current archives when things are shacking :)
[17:19] <gord> om26er, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/928737 seems like a compiz bug not unity to me, can we retarget that?
[17:19] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 928737 in unity (Ubuntu) "show desktop makes windows reappear after launching a new program" [High,Triaged]
[17:20] <om26er> gord, its in Unity it seems, its Sam's code
[17:20] <om26er> gord, Sam is aware about it, actually tried to fix it but the fix didn't actually fix the issue
[17:21] <om26er> bug 881190
[17:21] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 881190 in unity (Ubuntu) "Quitting minimized applications in Unity causes all other minimized applications to pop up." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/881190
[17:22] <om26er> I might be wrong though :p
[17:25] <greyback> didrocks: still there? https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity-2d/lock_launcher/+activereviews is sitting there for +1 hour now
[17:28] <didrocks> greyback: FYI, Martin's team is supposed to do the maintainance right now on it
[17:28] <didrocks> ah, you wanted me to merge into that branch?
[17:28] <didrocks> sorry, didn't see it
[17:28] <didrocks> doing :)
[17:29] <didrocks> greyback: merged
[17:31] <greyback> didrocks: merci
[17:56] <gord> om26er, any news on the new compiz + that bug?
[17:59] <om26er> gord, no, it seems there have been no new commits to Unity trunk so no new Unity build as a result. I guess revert that change for now :/
[17:59] <gord> ugh, ok
[18:02] <didrocks> om26er: gord: I think racarr_ is approving a new branch right now
[18:02] <didrocks> so hopefully, it will get build soon (with the new compiz)
[18:02] <racarr_> yes hopefully it works thie time...
[18:15] <mhall119> Cimi: ping
[18:15] <Cimi> mhall119, pong
[18:16] <mhall119> Cimi: do you know the current state of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-scrollbar/+bug/743571 ?
[18:16] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 743571 in ayatana-scrollbar trunk "Some apps can't use overlay scrollbars" [Low,Triaged]
[18:16] <mhall119> I'm going through a bunch of apps and noting where they don't integrate with Unity fully, and some (gimp, openshot) use overlay scrollbars in some scroll areas, but not others
[18:16] <Cimi> mhall119, gimp don't use them
[18:16] <mhall119> I know of the problems with XUL and Java apps, but this seems to happen with GTK and QT(?) apps
[18:17] <mhall119> Cimi: on purpose?
[18:17] <Cimi> mhall119, yes iirc
[18:17] <mhall119> why is that?
[18:20] <Cimi> if I remember correctly
[18:23] <AlanBell> mhall119: looks like they wouldn't really work well in gimp because of the widgets that line up with the scrollbars on a content window, the zoom, navigate and quick mask widgets
[18:23] <AlanBell> would work well on the toolbox when that grows a scrollbar
[18:24] <mhall119> AlanBell: you mean the overlay would block widgets just outside the scroll viewport?
[18:24] <AlanBell> not quite, let me do a screenshot
[18:36] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/gimpwidgets.png
[18:36] <AlanBell> those bits
[18:37] <mhall119> oh, I understand now, gimp expects to have that scrollbar width area
[18:37] <AlanBell> yeah, they are going to look a bit odd if the scrollbar isn't there
[18:38] <AlanBell> I would think spreadsheet apps and others would have similar issues
[18:39] <bebehei> i am new in the irc and i do not want to hijack the thread, but can somebody answer me a question?
[18:40] <racarr_> we can try :)
[18:40] <mhall119> bebehei: only if you ask
[18:43] <mhall119> Cimi: AlanBell: for Firefox overlay scrollbars, is that something that needs to be done in ayatana-scrollbars, or in Firefox?
[18:43] <mhall119> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-scrollbar/+bug/847918
[18:43] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 847918 in ayatana-scrollbar "Support not native apps: LibreOffice / OpenOffice" [Low,Triaged]
[18:45] <bebehei> now listen: i use unity since 11.04 but in 11.10 i get sometimes orange circles in the unity-style, above the window, when i move it. i dont know what it is but i think these circles are very useful, but i dont know how to use. the following link will show you a screenshot. Can you give me some tips where to search about it? http://media.cdn.ubuntu-de.org/forum/attachments/3992927/ayatana-unity-ubuntu.png
[18:46] <mhall119> bebehei: sounds like the touch UI's drag/resize grips
[18:47] <sil2100> Hi
[18:48] <bebehei> thanks! i searched google and it gave me a similar screenshot
[18:48] <sil2100> Could anyone here help me out testing bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/864478 ?
[18:48] <Cimi> mhall119, firefox
[18:48] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 864478 in unity "Window shading is broken" [High,Fix released]
[18:48] <mhall119> Cimi: in the core code, or as an extension?
[18:48] <sil2100> The bug description says to modify '/apps/compiz-1/gwd/titlebar_action', but I cannot find that anywhere
[18:48] <Cimi> mhall119, core code
[18:48] <sil2100> It doesn't seem to be in my gconf settings
[18:48] <Cimi> mhall119, someone has to code it from scratch
[18:49] <mhall119> Cimi: is this something we'll have to carry a patch for, or can it co-exist with non-ayatana scrollbars in upstream?
[18:59] <bebehei> again about the touch UI: i use a laptop with touchpad. How is it possible to get the resize grips! Always when i got it i could snap, and then the resize grips were away! Is there any possibility to use them or is it impossible to use it on laptop?
[19:32] <mhall119> chrisccoulson: ping
[19:40] <AlanBell> mhall119: http://mikebeach.org/2011/05/20/disable-the-overlay-scrollbars-in-ubuntu-natty/
[19:45] <om26er> davidcalle, bug 931632 screenshot please :p
[19:45] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931632 in unity "Coverflow : portrait-shaped icons are cropped on top" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931632
[19:45] <om26er> davidcalle, and hey :D
[19:45] <thumper> morning
[19:45] <thumper> hi om26er
[19:46] <om26er> hey thumper
[19:47] <om26er> thumper, just saw, isn't that too early to wake ?
[19:53] <mhall119> AlanBell: was there something specific you wanted me to see on that page?
[19:53] <bschaefer> hey thumper, do you want to review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/unity/fix-915828/+merge/88450
[19:53] <thumper> om26er: no, in NZ
[19:54] <thumper> bschaefer: looking
[19:54] <thumper> bschaefer: I have another question for you...
[19:54]  * thumper digs up link
[19:54] <bschaefer> thumper, yup!
[19:54] <AlanBell> mhall119: not really, just some previous "gimp+global menus" stuff that I found by accident
[19:57] <bschaefer> thumper, also good morning haha
[19:58] <thumper> bschaefer: https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/unity/fix-896122/+merge/86848
[19:58] <thumper> bschaefer: this was approved but not merged
[19:58] <mhall119> AlanBell: global menus?  All I saw was about scrollbars
[19:58] <thumper> bschaefer: how does this relate to your other branch
[19:58] <thumper> ?
[19:58] <AlanBell> mhall119: let me just take my brain out and clean it a sec
[19:59]  * AlanBell goes to add more coffee to his bloodstream
[19:59] <bschaefer> thumper, o sorry should have put that as abandoned or delete it. That is for the old launcher code
[20:00] <bschaefer> thumper, as I didn't know it was missing that mp thing at the top and it never got into the launcher.cpp code
[20:00] <bschaefer> thumper, but now it is in LauncherController.cpp! So it is obsolete
[20:00] <mhall119> AlanBell: late for coffee over there isn't it?
[20:01] <thumper> bschaefer: ok...
[20:03] <AlanBell> a bit, 8PM, but I like it
[20:03] <bschaefer> thumper, I should have just updated that branch...but decided to push a new one
[20:04] <thumper> bschaefer: that's fine, I cleaned it up
[20:04] <bschaefer> thumper, thank you, I should have done that sorry!
[20:09] <mhall119> AlanBell: I'd not be able to sleep if I did that
[20:09] <mhall119> AlanBell: do you happen to know the status of ayatana-scrollbars on Chromium?
[20:10] <AlanBell> mhall119: right now in precise it doesn't have them
[20:11] <mhall119> AlanBell: do you know who, if anyone, was working on them last?
[20:11] <AlanBell> no idea, sorry
[20:12] <AlanBell> what should happen on an iframe or other scrollable bit of browser content?
[20:12] <mhall119> good question
[20:12] <mhall119> I bet cimi is the one to talk to again
[20:18] <AlanBell> that is going to be an interesting one, especially with websites that use css properties to customise their scrollbars
[20:20] <brunogirin> Hello, I upgraded to Precise over the week-end and installed the HUD as per instructions here: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/01/testing-hud-heads-up-display.html
[20:21] <brunogirin> but nothing happens when I press ALT in any app: any idea what I'm doing wrong?
[20:21] <om26er> brunogirin, you need to wait for next release of Unity I would say
[20:22] <AlanBell> which is still friday right?
[20:22] <om26er> not sure about that
[20:22] <om26er> you could use unity from staging ppa
[20:23] <brunogirin> om26er, AlanBell: fine, I'm happy to wait a few days, I just thought I had forgotten something obvious :-)
[20:55] <mhall119> what is this? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/ubuntu-12-04-to-ditch-global-menu/
[21:01] <mhall119> Trevinho: ^^ ??
[21:08] <ahayzen> om26er: You said that the above 'Its optional' ...bug 931245... how will it be configurable could you expand?
[21:08] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931245 in metacity (Ubuntu) "Finish the implementation of the locally integrated menubars" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931245
[21:08] <gotwig> hey
[21:08] <gotwig> you saw that new global menu mockup thing at omg ubuntu o.0??? Horrrrible ...
[21:08] <gotwig> LIM
[21:10] <om26er> ahayzen, it won't be enabled by default
[21:10] <om26er> ahayzen, you will go to control center and change it there
[21:10] <ahayzen> om26er: Thx
[21:10] <Trevinho> mhall119: something that hopefully we'll optionally see in precise
[21:11] <ahayzen> om26er: Is this something that will be expanded upon to become default in p+1?
[21:11] <om26er> Trevinho, show the screenshot in the channel would you
[21:12] <gotwig> Trevinho: about what are you talking :-)
[21:12] <om26er> ahayzen, no
[21:13] <ahayzen> om26er: Lol ok :)
[21:13] <gotwig> link please
[21:13] <om26er> ahayzen, ;-)
[21:13] <gotwig> link please :(
[21:13] <ahayzen> gotwig: To what?
[21:15] <gotwig> ahayzen: about your topic
[21:16] <ahayzen> gotwig: was talking about the bug (bug 931245) you commented on
[21:16] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 931245 in metacity (Ubuntu) "Finish the implementation of the locally integrated menubars" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931245
[21:18] <nhaines> So my question of the day is, when does HUD get activated in precise?  :)
[21:22] <thumper> nhaines: thursday :)
[21:22] <mfisch> mhall119: I was trying your community-lens per your blog post, but it's choking on "import locodir".  Can you point me at what package provides that?
[21:23] <mhall119> mfisch: are you trying it from the bzr branch?
[21:23] <mfisch> mhall119: yes
[21:23] <mhall119> there should be a locodir.py in the branch, you'll need that on your PYTHONPATH
[21:24] <mfisch> mhall119: I pulled it from there yesterday, fixed a couple things in the packaging and then installed it
[21:24] <mhall119> hmmm, the package should install locodir.py
[21:24] <mfisch> mhall119: lp:~mhall119/onehundredscopes/unity-community-lens does not have locodir.py
[21:25] <nhaines> thumper: yay!  Thanks.  :)  I saw some nice updates on Friday and by now I was getting anxious.  I'm really looking forward to it.
[21:26] <gotwig> is  there an extra channel for lens developmennt?
[21:26] <gotwig> "development"
[21:26] <mhall119> mfisch: ah, yes, community-lens doesn't actually need to import locodir anymore
[21:26] <mhall119> mfisch: locodir.py should in in unity-locoteams-scope now
[21:26] <gotwig> I would like to develop one, for searching cook recips :-) anyone interessted, in happy c00king , the 1337 stYle ? :D
[21:27] <mhall119> gotwig: this is the best channel to talk about  lens development
[21:27] <mfisch> mhall119: I also modified the control file a bit: gir1.2-unity-4.0 -> 5.0 and then unity-singlet -> python-unity-singlet
[21:27] <gotwig> mhall119: thanks for the info
[21:27] <gotwig> so do you things there are people interessted in thaat?
[21:27] <mhall119> mfisch: submit your changes to my package branch as a merge proposal and I'll make those changes
[21:27] <mfisch> mhall119: I just need a good example to start from, would you recommend locoteams instead?
[21:27] <gotwig> searching cook recips, in unity?
[21:27] <mfisch> mhall119: okay wrt control file
[21:28] <mhall119> gotwig: probably, the only way to find out is to make it
[21:28] <gotwig> mhall119: :-)
[21:28] <mhall119> mfisch: example for what?
[21:28] <gotwig> mhall119: its a shame, that I dont find a search engine or site, that has multilingual recips
[21:28] <nhaines> gotwig: ooh, will it read Gourmet files or will it be a Web search?
[21:29] <mfisch> mhall119: just as a starting point to learn the api.  seems like they're very similar so I'm guessing either is fine
[21:29] <mhall119> nhaines: you can make scopes for both :)
[21:29] <gotwig> nhaines: more a Web Search :-)
[21:29] <mhall119> mfisch: unity-locoteams-scope provide data to unity-community-lens
[21:29] <mhall119> they work together
[21:29] <gotwig> nhaines: but you would be able to filter, trough ratings, categories, etc.
[21:29] <gotwig> nhaines: the needed time
[21:30] <mfisch> mhall119: thx
[21:30] <nhaines> gotwig: well, do consider adding Gourmet support as well... it's the only recipe manager I know for Ubuntu.  Sounds like a nice lens, though!
[21:31] <gotwig> nhaines: yip, maybe I will integrate a configurator, like in the youtube lens
[21:31] <gotwig> I asked already a big site for recipe search for API acess
[21:32] <gotwig> too bad that I can't  cook ^^
[21:35] <nhaines> gotwig: hehe, I think it's just practice.  ^^
[21:36] <gotwig> nhaines: http://www.recipefy.com/
[21:36] <gotwig> seems to be a good base
[21:36] <gotwig> right? it seems to be multilingual, but 4000 recipes is not much
[21:37] <gotwig> *are and many :X
[21:37] <mhall119> gotwig: that's over 10 years of dinners
[21:37] <nhaines> gotwig: might be a good start... make it modular and others can add in plugins for other services.  :)
[21:38] <mhall119> nhaines: gotwig: Unity lenses are automatically modular
[21:38] <mhall119> anybody can add a scope to your lens
[21:38] <gotwig> mhall119: mh, yummi ;)
[21:38] <nhaines> mhall119: that simplifies things then!
[21:39] <gotwig> I have to do it trough python, right?
[21:39] <nhaines> I am very pleased at how fast the Unity Dash is in precise.  It's dismal in 11.10.
[21:39] <gotwig> nhaines: +1
[21:39] <gotwig> nhaines: I live 12.04, already use it on all my  (working) systems
[21:39] <gotwig> "love" xD
[21:40] <gotwig> too late for me, german boy.. :P
[21:40] <nhaines> gotwig: I have some significant trouble with Synergy on precise which means I can't use it very much.  And it won't run on my laptop at all... kernel panic during boot!
[21:40] <nhaines> But hopefully I can set aside some time and file some bugs.
[21:41] <gotwig> nhaines: bad luck ;P
[21:41] <gotwig> nhaines: finaly I dont have toshiba battery problems
[21:42] <gotwig> nhaines: I mean, it still consumes much, but I can finally see all statistics out of the box
[21:44] <mhall119> mfisch: thanks for the MP!  Approved and merged your changes
[21:44] <mfisch> mhall119: np.
[21:45] <mfisch> mhall119: can you clarify something from your blog?  1st para says singlet will work in oneiric, but you replied to a comment later that says precise-only?
[21:46] <mhall119> mfisch: good idea.  Singlet 0.1 works on Oneiric, but 0.2 onward is Precise only
[21:46] <mhall119> mfisch: is https://plus.google.com/u/0/109141308226450489079/ you?
[21:47] <mfisch> mhall119: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110837030248729640386 is me
[21:48] <mhall119> thanks
[21:48] <mhall119> If I tag the wrong person, he'd be all kinds of confused :)
[21:49] <mfisch> mhall119: yes he would
[21:50] <gotwig> mhall119: link?
[21:51] <gotwig> mfisch: are you german :D?
[21:51] <mfisch> gotwig: my great-great-great grandparents were when they moved to New York in the 1800s, so kinda?
[21:51] <gotwig> mfisch: Na dann ;)
[21:52] <mfisch> gotwig: I'm a typical American mutt, german hungarian, scottish, english, and ???
[21:52] <gotwig> mfisch: ???: undefinied
[21:52] <mfisch> gotwig: meaning, lost to history
[21:53] <gotwig> mfisch: and I thought the indianers are the real americans :P
[21:53] <mhall119> gotwig: link to what?
[21:53] <mfisch> gotwig: I'm not getting into that argument
[21:53] <gotwig> mhall119: about the merge
[21:53] <mfisch> gotwig: ;)
[21:53] <mhall119> gotwig: https://code.launchpad.net/~mfisch/onehundredscopes/unity-community-lens-fixes/+merge/92860
[21:54] <gotwig> mfisch: .... I'm just a german boy, that cant talk properly english, I'm sorrry for that :P
[21:54] <gotwig> mfisch: offtopic
[21:54] <gotwig> mhall119: thanks for that
[21:55] <gotwig> btw. what is with scope compatibility for unity 5.0
[21:58] <mhall119> gotwig: the API changed between Unity 4 (oneiric) and Unity 5 (precise)
[22:00] <gotwig> mhall119: I would like to see the google books lens again
[22:01] <nhaines> gotwig: dein Englisch ist mindestens tausendmal besser als mein Deutsch.  :)
[22:01] <mhall119> gotwig: that's davidcalle's, I'm not sure if it's been upgraded to Precise yet
[22:02] <nhaines> Hmm, I'll need to ping people about the Ubuntu console font again.
[22:02] <gotwig> mfisch: what does the community lens do?
[22:02] <mfisch> gotwig: you should read this: http://mhall119.com/2012/01/singlet-part-0-2/
[22:03] <gotwig> mhall119: you did the dictionary lens?
[22:03] <gotwig> mhall119: or scope, sry
[22:05] <gotwig> mfisch: singlet looks realy sexy to me :D
[22:11] <gotwig> too bad that you have to install singlet, and cant boundle it somehow into the app it self :/
[22:11] <gotwig> so, the user has to install 2 packages, if he hasnt already singlet installed
[22:17] <gotwig> no respons...?
[22:20] <nhaines> gotwig: just remember that then once you have singlet installed you never have to install it multiple times with other apps as well.
[22:20] <gotwig> nhaines: I know.. the thing with libraries
[22:21] <gotwig> nhaines: would be good to have it installed by default in unity, right?
[22:21] <gotwig> or  merge the functions of it into unity it self
[22:21] <nhaines> gotwig: donno, not if it can be used for other purposes outside of Unity, or isn't needed by any of the default Unity features.  :)
[22:22] <nhaines> Plus being separate also means that it can have bugfixes applied without having to download and reinstall all of Unity again.
[22:22] <gotwig> nhaines: when I never developed a scope or lens, and now I want to , should I use it :X ?
[22:23] <gotwig> I want to develop it for 12.04
[22:23] <gotwig> * in relation to  singlet
[22:23] <mhall119> gotwig: singlet is in the Universe repo, so it will be automatically downloaded and installed when it's needed
[22:23] <gotwig> mhall119: from 12.04?
[22:23] <mhall119> gotwig: yes
[22:24] <gotwig> mhall119: there are two packages
[22:24] <gotwig> mhall119: which one you mean, are they the same?
[22:24] <gotwig> python-unity-singlet, and unity-singlet
[22:24] <mhall119> gotwig: python-unity-singlet is the binary package you will install
[22:24] <mhall119> unity-singlet is the source package
[22:25] <gotwig> mhall119: ok :-) nice nice nice
[22:25] <gotwig> mhall119: I am more a script guy ;)
[22:25] <mhall119> gotwig: me too, when doing local development
[22:25] <mhall119> but packages make it easier for other people to use what I write
[22:27] <gotwig> hm that community lens from the ppa is not compatible with unity 5.0 (?)
[22:27] <gotwig> mhall119: I already packaged stuff ;)
[22:28] <gotwig> mhall119: for the elementary project
[22:28] <mhall119> gotwig: that's part of what mfisch fixed
[22:28] <mhall119> gotwig: the fix is building now, and should be available from the PPA in a few hours
[22:30] <gotwig> and the dictionary package
[22:30] <gotwig> depends on unity-singlet
[22:30] <gotwig> not on python-unity-singlet
[22:30] <gotwig> what breaks some things, too ..
[22:30] <gotwig> I think you already know it
[22:30] <mhall119> gotwig: yeah, the dictionary lens package needs to be updated too
[22:31] <mfisch> gotwig: yeah, installing the python-unity-singlet removed some of my older lenses
[22:31] <mhall119> mfisch: it did?
[22:31] <mfisch> mhall119: let me check the logs
[22:32] <mfisch> mhall119: yes.  Remove: unity-scope-calculator:amd64 (0.1), gir1.2-unity-4.0:amd64 (4.0.6-0ubuntu3), unity-scope-cities:amd64 (0.1), unity-lens-sshsearch:amd64 (0.1), unity-lens-utilities:amd64 (0.1)
[22:32] <mfisch> mhall119: now, I upgraded to precise 1-2 weeks back so they could have already been broken
[22:34] <mhall119> mfisch: oh, yeah, likely they were