[03:37] <snap-l> which is why I'm working on Piddlepodder Python
[03:40] <Milyardo> :source /home.ztv/zpowers//.byobu/profile
[03:41] <Milyardo> :source /home.ztv/zpowers//.byobu/profile
[03:42] <jrwren> is miro the one that was ipodder?
[03:49] <snap-l> Democracy player
[12:28] <rick_h> morning
[12:37] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:53] <Wolfger> mornign
[12:54] <snap-l> Apparently OCZ drives are the gold box special
[12:55] <snap-l> SSD (90GB) for $100
[12:55] <snap-l> but the reliability ratings are scaring me away.
[12:55] <rick_h> yea, this is why I keep getting intel
[12:56] <Wolfger> what, your data is important to you or something? :-p
[12:56] <snap-l> Wolfger: Yeah, funny that
[12:56] <rick_h> heh, don't you have backups? and for that price sholdn't you be setting up a raid 10 of them?
[12:56] <Wolfger> It'd be like building your own personal cloud :-)
[13:01] <snap-l> Oh, yeah, that would be awesome
[13:01] <snap-l> and when they all fail, one after another, it'll be n+1 times the swearing
[13:17] <rick_h> snap-l: so switched back keyboards yet?
[13:28] <brousch> the sound hurting his ears?
[13:28] <rick_h> hoepfully not, he took home the quiet version
[13:29] <brousch> is that like a quiet jet engine?
[13:29] <rick_h> :)
[13:29] <rick_h> we'll wait for his verdict. I told him he had to wait 3 days and so he probably made his verdict
[13:32] <Wolfger> Hmm. Now the talk of RAID and SSD has me thinking... You should be able to (I would imagine) set up a RAID between SSD and HDD. Probably it would negate the performance of the SSD, but could it possibly be set up so that you get SSD performance and also HDD reliability? Basically the HDD being a slightly-laggy real-time backup of the SSD...
[13:33] <rick_h> yea, so there's ways to do that. Basically it's at tha database level though
[13:33] <rick_h> so what they do is set the database server to store things like indexes on a raid ssd store
[13:33] <rick_h> and the mass data on spinning disks
[13:33] <rick_h> and try to balanace it all out
[13:33] <rick_h> but you have to have a big db for that. These days it's more about getting a machine with 60+GB of ram and just putting the whole damn db in ram on start
[13:36] <Wolfger> Now that's what I'm talking about... 60GB RAM. :-D
[13:36]  * Wolfger looks at his pathetic 3GB and cries
[13:37] <brousch> wuss
[13:37] <brousch> even my ancient crappy laptop has 4GB
[13:37] <rick_h> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4605518&CatId=3382
[13:37] <rick_h> 128gb of ram
[13:37] <brousch> how long before there's no disk drives? you just sync your ramdisk to ramdisks in the cloud
[13:38] <rick_h> heh, I don't think that. Not sure you want to download 60-120gb "from the cloud" on boot
[13:38] <brousch> boot? why would you turn off?
[13:39] <rick_h> right, because things never go down :)
[13:39] <Wolfger> well, you won't mind downloading 60-120 gb on boot when our broadband gets up to speed....
[13:39] <brousch> it'll take like 30 seconds, just like it does now to boot
[13:53] <jrwren> mmmm... SSD
[13:53] <snap-l> rick_h: I'm still using this keyboard.
[13:53] <snap-l> Going to give it a shot until Wednesday.
[13:54] <rick_h> snap-l: cool, what's the opinion so far then?
[13:54] <snap-l> Did a brief switch-back before the weekend because I didn't want to leave it here over the weekend
[13:54] <snap-l> Um, it's nice
[13:54] <snap-l> travel is quite good
[13:54] <rick_h> ah, it's in the office?
[13:54] <snap-l> The Logitech felt stiff afterward.
[13:54] <rick_h> don't worry about that. I had the whole dock, headphones, keyboards, etc left in the office for years there
[13:54] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, I'm using it here because JoDee said "verboten"
[13:54] <rick_h> ouch, even the quiet one?
[13:55] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, I know, but I'd rather not sacrifice another rick_h keyboard here. :)
[13:55] <rick_h> hah!
[13:55] <snap-l> rick_h: Dude, this is not quiet
[13:55] <rick_h> what do you mean? That's the quietest of my mechanical keyboards
[13:55] <rick_h> of the 5
[13:55] <snap-l> IT's comparitively quiet, but it's not quiet
[13:55] <rick_h> heh
[13:55]  * snap-l should brin gin the logitech so rick_h can hear what quiet is
[13:56] <snap-l> or the Apple keyboard.
[13:56] <rick_h> meh, I'm not comparing to fake keyboards :P
[13:56] <snap-l> false metal. ;)
[13:56] <snap-l> But yeah, the Logitech trades travel for stiffness.
[13:57] <snap-l> I like th feel, though
[13:59] <jrwren> enough gin makes anything quiet. brin gin, I'm not sure.
[14:00] <Wolfger> heheh
[14:01] <brousch> i'm sure sergey has some top shelf gin
[14:01] <nullspace> rage: xflock4 is busted
[14:02] <snap-l> nullspace: I think anything with Rage3D is busted now
[14:02] <jrwren> xflock4 ?
[14:03] <jrwren> oh, xfce screensaver
[14:11] <nullspace> rebooted and now it's working
[14:11] <nullspace> seems like xflock is constantly getting changed
[14:56] <krondor> who was in here awhile back asking for a good android pinball game?  I think I found one over the weekend.
[14:58] <brousch> i think snap-l is the pinball wizard
[14:58] <snap-l> I'm the pinball fan
[14:59] <snap-l> but I wasn't asking for an Androind version (yet)
[15:05] <krondor> hmm someone was asking about it.. oh well http://bit.ly/zcxO3y is the game review.
[15:06] <krondor> they've licensed actual tables from the 80's, 90's, 00's and recreated them nicely
[15:10] <Wolfger> krondor: I don't think anybody was asking... there was a discussion the other day. I think I said that video game emulations of pinball just sucked, and somebody posted a few Android app links
[15:11] <Wolfger> of course, video game emulations of pinball have the sizable advantages of being cheap and portable, which actual pinball games are not :-p
[15:12] <snap-l> Yeah, the console pinball arcade simulations are pretty good
[15:12] <snap-l> They don't beat the actual thing, but the tradeoffs are reasonable
[15:12]  * snap-l still wishes he had a Theater of Magic and Medieval Madness emulation
[15:12] <snap-l> Those were two of my favorite tables
[15:13] <snap-l> That and Twilight Zone
[15:13] <snap-l> Really fucked up game
[15:14] <Wolfger> http://www.hornady.com/ammunition/zombiemax
[15:18] <snap-l> Wolfger: Seriously?
[15:18] <snap-l> How do they know it works?
[15:20] <snap-l> Good God, there's a major thread on-going on Ubuntu-desktop that someone started regarding "stop moving my cheese".
[15:20] <rick_h> lol
[15:25] <Wolfger> snap-l: well according to the ad they know it works because, well, "you haven't seen any zombies around, have you?"
[15:26] <Wolfger> I think that's a great racket... sell ammo that nobody's supposed to use except on creatures that don't exist.
[15:26] <Wolfger> It doesn't have to work, because if they fire it then you know they didn't follow the instructions.
[15:32] <rick_h> woot! wore the ubuntu hoody and a guy running ubuntu notices
[15:32] <rick_h> pointed him at the loco so good stuff
[15:33] <rick_h> bah, forgot my headphones crap
[15:36] <rick_h> hah! and he's a tiler. DWM fan.
[15:38] <brousch> rick_h: it's like meeting a unicorn in your driveway!
[15:38] <rick_h> brousch: lol definitely
[15:39] <rick_h> not just an ubuntu user, but a tiling one. I guess I need to wear the hoodie more often.
[15:39] <rick_h> there might be more!
[15:39] <rick_h> like panning for gold
[15:46] <snap-l> rick_h: Hah, that's awesome!
[15:46] <rick_h> man, bad timing at the coffee house. Some make up sellers convention discussing what products they're pushing/etc
[15:46] <rick_h> and I forgot my headphones...damn
[15:48] <snap-l> rick_h: Ugh
[15:48] <snap-l> http://www.apress.com/9781430233510 <- Buh
[15:49] <rick_h> Buh?
[15:49] <snap-l> That's me, getting itchy
[15:49] <snap-l> Feeling my CC want to hop out of the wallet again
[15:50] <snap-l> The only problem with this is most of these are established companies
[15:50] <snap-l> and 10 years in the games industry is a LOOOONG time.
[15:50] <Wolfger> snap-l: why do you keep your Creative Commons in your wallet?
[15:50] <snap-l> Wolfger: Attribution
[15:51]  * snap-l puts the book on his web shopping list
[15:52] <snap-l> Problem is thes "blah blah at work" books are really reaching now
[15:53] <snap-l> Venture Capitalists at Work? Women at Work?
[15:53] <snap-l> I'm sure they're interesting, but the VC one has to be pretty silly.
[15:53] <Wolfger> Ubuntu Volunteers at Work
[15:53] <snap-l> Nah, we just sit around and bitch. :)
[15:53] <Wolfger> Snarky Hackers at Work
[15:54] <Wolfger> Delusional Wannabes at Work
[15:55] <snap-l> heh
[15:55] <Wolfger> Freetards at Work
[15:55] <Wolfger> this series is a gold mine
[15:55] <Wolfger> :-)
[15:55] <rick_h> heh
[15:56] <Wolfger> it's like "For Dummies". Just think up a * to put in front of it, write it, ..., Profit!
[15:57] <Wolfger> Drain Unclogging For Dummies. You laugh now, but that book will sell. :-p
[15:58] <brousch> I like Freetards at Work
[15:59] <brousch> "How to push your socialist software agenda while  serving your corporate overloards"
[16:20] <rick_h> <3 it! http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2012-02-11/
[16:23] <snap-l> rick_h: :)
[16:28] <Wolfger> rick_h++
[16:35] <rick_h> heh, local paper asked me what I thought of the wing's record jcastro
[16:35] <jcastro> what did you say?
[16:36] <rick_h> that it was awesome, represent detroit, but want to see the Cup coming home so don't stop winning
[16:36] <brousch> "The wing has an excellent record when it comes to self-powered flight. I much prefer it to the rotor."
[16:37] <rick_h> oh shush
[16:37] <rick_h> west siders...wtf
[16:37] <brousch> we have many rabid sports fans here
[16:39] <Wolfger> well, with any luck, one of them will bite you ;-)
[16:39] <Wolfger> sports-rabies. LOL
[16:40] <_stink_> they just all like Chicago teams over there.
[16:40] <brousch> it is a distinct possibility
[16:40] <rick_h> mmm, chicago
[16:40] <brousch> _stink_: not in grand rapids, but once you get down to Niles that is true
[16:40] <Wolfger> Bears suck, go Lions!
[16:40] <rick_h> I should be a blackhawks fan, but I didn't get into hockey at all until college
[16:40] <rick_h> Wolfger: umm yea...
[16:40] <_stink_> brousch: it was like 50-50 in kzoo
[16:41] <brousch> which is half way between grand rapids and niles
[16:41] <_stink_> the world makes sense!!
[16:41] <brousch> math works!
[16:41] <_stink_> haha
[16:41] <rick_h> hah, I want you see you use that in a mathematical proof
[16:42] <rick_h> "well, chi/dtw fans are split 50/50 here...therefore
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[16:44] <Wolfger> though it would be interesting to map the US from a sports fan perspective
[16:45] <_stink_> i may have seen something like that before
[16:45] <Wolfger> red pins where each major league stadium is, then show the population of this-team-fan vs that-team-fan vs don't-care
[16:45] <_stink_> yeah
[16:46] <Wolfger> it would get real interesting in places that have multiple teams in the same stadium (Jet/Giants?) or very close to one another.
[16:47] <Wolfger> from what I understand, there's no such thing as a fan who like both the Cubs and the White Sox
[16:48] <_stink_> what i remember most was how geographically isolated teams held large areas... like the Cowboys up into the plains
[16:52] <brousch> hm, a python book from beazley coming out in a week or so. http://www.amazon.com/Python-Cookbook-Oreilly-Cookbooks-Brian/dp/1449378722/ref=zg_bsnr_285856_2
[16:52] <brousch> omg it is 800 pages
[16:52] <rick_h> yea, finally reworking the cookbook
[16:52]  * rick_h gets on this one
[16:53] <brousch> i have not finished any technical book over 500 pages
[16:53] <rick_h> it's a cookbook
[16:54] <rick_h> half of it you'll not know wtf to do with anyway
[16:54] <brousch> i suppose
[16:54] <rick_h> drop the "processing XML" part nad you'll get odwnto 500 pages :P
[16:55] <rick_h> ooh, on my birthday! Guess I know what I'm getting
[16:56] <Wolfger> :-)
[16:57]  * Wolfger orders Learning Perl for rick_h
[16:57] <rick_h> heh, I've been waiting for that cookbook. The old one never got updated past 2.3 or 2.4
[18:01] <Wolfger> http://goo.gl/uvJFc
[18:21] <snap-l> Wolfger: Hahahahahaha
[18:42] <snap-l> USN 1358-1 fixed multiple vulnerabilities in PHP. The fix for
[18:42] <snap-l> CVE-2012-0831 introduced a regression where the state of the
[18:42] <snap-l> magic_quotes_gpc setting was not correctly reflected when calling
[18:42] <snap-l> the ini_get() function.
[18:43] <snap-l> (*sigh*)
[18:43] <rick_h> wheeee
[18:43] <snap-l> PHP: where the fixes have security holes.
[18:49] <rick_h> job security
[18:50] <brousch> hm, heroku wants a little different project/venv setup than i've been using
[18:51] <rick_h> run away!
[18:52] <snap-l> rick_h: Well, at least something in PHP-ville is secure. :)
[19:23] <rick_h> Blazeix: you know the best way to go playing with mouse button settings in awesome?
[19:23] <rick_h> wonder if xmodmap works for those
[19:23] <snap-l> ho boy
[19:24]  * snap-l preps for the super-chording mousebutton shennanigans
[19:26] <rick_h> bah, this is nuts. I'll end up just ditching a mouse
[19:30] <snap-l> rick_h: Getting a joystick instead?
[19:30] <brousch> hm, apparently i'm supposed to use S3 to serve my static files in heroku?
[19:33] <snap-l> rick_h: http://www.atarimagazines.com/v8n2/diamondsystem.html <- here you go
[19:46] <brousch> ah, i can use whatever i want to serve the static files
[19:46] <brousch> like my dreamhost account
[20:11] <snap-l> rick_h: Where the hell did you find a mouse with no middle click?
[20:12] <snap-l> or did you go with one of those newfangled Microsoft mice?
[20:34] <rick_h> snap-l: I'm trying out lmorchard's fav trackball vs my own trackman fav
[20:34] <rick_h> and it doesn't have a middle click, by default the two extra buttons are next/prev in browser
[20:35] <rick_h> but not middle click, which if you're used to linux copy/paste ugh
[20:35] <lmorchard> Hmm, yeah, it's probably been 10 years or so since I last used that trackball on linux :/
[20:36] <lmorchard> and I have the buttons configured for pgup/pgdn because there's no scrollwheel
[20:37] <lmorchard> It's definitely not as full-featured as the wireless version, next model up.
[20:44] <brousch> it lives on heroku! http://furious-fog-2524.herokuapp.com/
[20:45] <rick_h> lmorchard: yea, not sure I'll get used to it. I'll have to figure out how best to configure hte buttons sans gnome setting stuff
[20:46] <rick_h> brousch: nice!
[20:59] <snap-l> rick_h: who is your peripheral pusher?
[20:59] <snap-l> Sheesh. :)
[20:59] <rick_h> snap-l: :P
[21:00] <rick_h> anything in the chase for more comfortable working environemtn to keep the work going
[21:00] <snap-l> Is this a Logitech Trackball you're using?
[21:00] <snap-l> Or the Kensington?
[21:01] <rick_h> logitech
[21:01] <rick_h> never cared for much kensington stuff
[21:01] <snap-l> Yeah, friend had the Kensington that he used
[21:02] <snap-l> only advantage was you could use a pool cue-ball as a drop-in replacement.
[21:02] <rick_h> heh
[21:02] <lmorchard> Ah, yeah, I do have Logitech's mouse management warez installed on win and mac
[21:02] <snap-l> and could use it for playing Centipede / Millipede.
[21:02] <brousch> ah, you can rename your heroku apps http://grpugwebsite2.herokuapp.com/
[21:03] <rick_h> lmorchard: yea, no biggie. I'll try to see if I can get used to the ball, if so maybe hte wireless upgrade with the real scrollbar will be something to check into
[21:03] <rick_h> brousch: nice
[21:03] <rick_h> now I'm jealous, not had time to try out anything on heroku
[21:03] <rick_h> brousch: https://github.com/heroku/heroku.py hit the wire yesterday
[21:04] <rick_h> brousch: might be useful if you start automating scripting stuff, especially with fabric or anything
[21:04] <snap-l> Honestly, I'm addicted to the scrollwheel.
[21:04] <brousch> it's less of a mess than GAE
[21:04] <rick_h> brousch: yea, that's my impression
[21:04] <brousch> less of a hack i should say
[21:04] <rick_h> and more portable
[21:04] <brousch> yeah, basically no changes needed to my django app
[21:05] <brousch> heroku appends database stuff to your settings.py so you don't have to worry about that part at all
[21:06] <rick_h> and it's pgsql! yay
[21:06] <brousch> and you can run one-off commands on the heroku server for things like data loading
[21:07] <rick_h> now brousch can come out to CHC long edition and give up a heroku talk!
[21:07] <snap-l> probably the CHC long-distance edition
[21:07] <rick_h> :)
[21:07] <snap-l> Maybe we could use Big Blue Button. ;)
[21:08]  * rick_h send the slap-bot to morpace's offices
[21:09] <snap-l> heh
[21:11] <brousch> i would get beaten up for using django
[21:13] <brousch> now to see if i can get dreamhost to reroute GAE power to the heroku shields
[21:13] <snap-l> brousch: Eh?
[21:13] <brousch> change where grpug.org points
[21:16] <brousch> darn slow dns propogation
[21:17] <snap-l> brousch: That's kind of the point. :)