[03:39] <Unit193> Cheri703: Hey, mind emailing me your busy/free days? (Bare info, can also put in days you don't want :P )
[03:46] <Cheri703> I'm off work on sundays and mondays
[03:49] <Unit193> Seemed to have forgotten that.
[03:49] <Cheri703> no worries
[03:50] <Cheri703> it's only been like 2 weeks that I've been on that schedule
[03:50] <Unit193> Seeing if EricR2427 can.
[03:56] <Cheri703> k
[03:56] <Cheri703> I probably can't do anything tomorrow, as I'm working through a pretty nasty chest cold
[04:07] <Unit193> Generally, and hope that hasn't lasted long.
[16:39] <jrgifford> paultag, this is the code for your FOSS about.me project, right? - https://github.com/paultag/practically-me
[16:39] <paultag> jrgifford: jep
[16:39] <paultag> jrgifford: it's buggy, but try out http://me.anized.org/paultag/
[16:40] <paultag> it sucks with non-widescreen
[16:40] <paultag> jrgifford: contribute to it! :)
[16:40]  * jrgifford looks
[16:41] <jrgifford> i think jcastro will be excited
[16:41] <paultag> jrgifford: he doens't give a shit :)
[16:41] <jrgifford> lol
[16:41] <paultag> jrgifford: sadly no one really likes this
[16:41] <paultag> jrgifford: but I do, so I'm going to work on it
[16:41] <jrgifford> i like it.
[16:41] <paultag> thanks :)
[16:42] <paultag> I'm going to add github support first
[16:42] <paultag> it'll become pretty slick if I keep true to where I think it should be going
[16:43] <paultag> jrgifford: I need to add some hacks to make the pages less sucky on long-ways screen
[16:43] <paultag> somehow the assholes behind the major browsers fucked up their own spec
[16:43] <jrgifford> if i remember right, about.me sucks there as well
[16:43] <paultag> ‘cover’
[16:43] <paultag> Scale the image, while preserving its intrinsic aspect ratio (if any), to the smallest size such that both its width and its height can completely cover the background positioning area.
[16:44] <paultag> my fucking ass it'll scale for height
[16:44] <paultag> what idiots
[16:44] <paultag> jesus
[16:45] <paultag> but yeah
[16:45] <paultag> flickr and github integration are next
[16:45] <paultag> I also understand both are nonfree
[16:45] <jrgifford> do i look like i care? :P
[16:45] <jrgifford> i mean, we're not the software freedom foundation for crying out loud.
[16:46] <paultag> jrgifford: I care :)
[16:46] <jrgifford> and i'm definitely not RMS. ;D
[16:46] <paultag> but not that much
[16:46] <jrgifford> out of the open source options for github,
[16:46] <jrgifford> you've got gitorious, launchpad and that's about it
[16:46] <paultag> gitlabhq is pretty nice
[16:46] <jrgifford> and who uses gitorious?
[16:47] <paultag> scratch that, gitlabhq is very nice
[16:47] <jrgifford> oooohhh.... gitlabhq looks awesome
[16:47]  * jrgifford installs on his server
[16:47] <paultag> it's rails
[16:47] <paultag> wich is meh
[16:48] <jrgifford> ruby *does* have some of the best git bindings
[16:48] <jrgifford> thanks to github open sourcing grit. :S
[16:48] <paultag> mmm
[16:48] <paultag> tis true
[22:03] <thafreak> Anyone try the "ubuntu business remix" iso yet?
[22:07] <canthus13> business remix?
[22:07] <canthus13> I hope they ripped out unity...
[22:07] <thafreak> haha
[22:07] <thafreak> nope, just removed games, etc
[22:07] <thafreak> non-business stuff
[22:07] <thafreak> stuck flash and openjdk in
[22:07] <thafreak> i'm going to give it a spin
[22:08] <thafreak> you have to register to download it though, which is lame
[22:08] <canthus13> Keeping unity is lame. :/
[22:09] <thafreak> well, that's the center of their desktop world now...doubt they'll ditch it
[22:09] <_bbb> thats the concensus..  ive decided
[22:09] <thafreak> i'll be interested to see how computer idiots (sales people mostly) react to it though
[22:09] <thafreak> i'm going to force it on some of them...
[22:09] <_bbb> thats not very pc
[22:10] <thafreak> it's very pc
[22:10] <thafreak> whey're winidiots
[22:10] <thafreak> windiots
[22:10] <_bbb> PC LOAD LETTER?!?
[22:10] <thafreak> sales people are the worst
[22:10] <_bbb> its fun to stereotype
[22:10] <_bbb> but yeah
[22:11] <_bbb> stereotypes for a reason i guess
[22:11] <thafreak> no...no stereotypes, only countless hours of real life data I work with
[22:11] <_bbb> yes just memories for me thankfully
[22:11] <thafreak> maybe i only ever deal with the loser sales people...
[22:11] <_bbb> but ive done it.. some of them are my good friends still tho
[22:12] <thafreak> would explain why they don't last more than a few months
[22:12] <thafreak> you were sales?
[22:13] <thafreak> hmmm...my in-laws must just attract the shittiest sales people then...
[22:13] <_bbb> no
[22:13] <_bbb> just sales friendly
[22:13] <_bbb> in other news
[22:14] <_bbb> start a new job in 3 wks
[22:14] <thafreak> is it sales? ;)
[22:14] <_bbb> unix/linux sys eng
[22:14] <thafreak> fuck yes
[22:14] <_bbb> punching computars
[22:14] <thafreak> in the NEO?
[22:14] <_bbb> but its more than that
[22:14] <_bbb> weaving and bobbing
[22:14] <_bbb> defensive blocking
[22:14] <_bbb> yes same company im at now
[22:15] <thafreak> sounds like some M$ is involved
[22:15] <thafreak> you work your way up or something?
[22:15] <_bbb> movin on up to the east side
[22:15] <thafreak> good job george
[22:15] <_bbb> next tier
[22:15] <_bbb> quad damage
[22:15] <thafreak> you pass your brown belt test or somehting
[22:16] <_bbb> heh no
[22:16]  * canthus13 is actually starting to like Mint.  His wife and girlfriend are both using it now and it's pretty nice, gnome 3 and all.
[22:16] <_bbb> born that way
[22:16] <_bbb> yes ive moved to mint mostly
[22:16] <_bbb> also love the crunchbang
[22:17] <canthus13> Crunchbang is nice, but....
[22:17] <canthus13> 1 person in charge of the entire project is a bit... unsettling.
[22:17] <thafreak> did everyone just miss the "wife and girlfriend" comment?
[22:17] <canthus13> thafreak: ...I thought you knew.
[22:17]  * canthus13 shrugs.
[22:18] <thafreak> apparently not
[22:18] <_bbb> open source. open marriage.. ok
[22:18] <canthus13> _bbb: That's an interesting way of looking at it. :D
[22:18] <Unit193> thafreak: Yep, thought it was odd, but knew.
[22:18] <_bbb> amirite?
[22:20] <_bbb> anyway.. i love the spirit of ubuntu but not thier version of unity
[22:21] <thafreak> don't really dislike unity...just think gnome 3 is actually better so far
[22:21] <thafreak> and i've had fewer problems with it
[22:22] <_bbb> yeah *shrug*
[22:22] <canthus13> with the exception of the silly mint menu, I like Mint.  Gnome 3 isn't as obnoxious as I expected.
[22:23] <Unit193> I liked Xubu and Lubu, but Debian is looking really good once you set it up.
[22:24] <canthus13> I may end up switching to Mint Debian.
[22:24] <canthus13> But so far I like my openbox enough to deal with a few more iterations of ubuntu.
[22:24] <thafreak> i went the debian desktop route for a bit...but certain software went out of date too fast
[22:24] <thafreak> like web browsers
[22:24] <Unit193> Testing?
[22:25] <thafreak> and some stuff wasn't packaged for debian, but it was on ubuntu
[22:25] <Unit193> The rebranding of Firefox is a bit annoying, yes.
[22:26] <thafreak> yeah, I think deb testing is a bit better...BUT when a new release happens, and testing opens back up...LOTS of packages need updating
[22:26] <thafreak> anyone on the ubuntu-server list?
[22:26] <thafreak> watching the removal of mysql debate is pretty interesting
[22:28] <Unit193> Looking to replace with m<something> clone?
[22:28] <Unit193> MariaDB
[22:28] <thafreak> yeah, talk of swapping it out with mariadb
[22:29] <thafreak> i guess mysql's bug tracker went private
[22:29] <thafreak> among other things...and something about vuln announcements being cryptic
[22:29] <thafreak> sounds like oracle is oracling the mysql community
[22:29]  * canthus13 hates it when they obfuscate vulnerability announcements. :/
[22:30]  * thafreak hates it when oracle oracle's a OS community
[22:31] <Unit193> Wonder what'll happen to VirtualBox, no forks yet that I know of.
[22:31] <jrgifford> thafreak, is the talk about removing MySQL *legit*, serious and (mostly) free of trolls?
[22:31] <jrgifford> Unit193, VirtualBox seems to be strong, Oracle hasn't completely destroyed it. Yet.
[22:32] <Unit193> "Yet" being the key word.
[22:33] <jrgifford> yes, but i don't think they'll ruin VBox.
[22:33] <jrgifford> mysql was bad to begin with IMHO, VBox at least has a fighting chance.
[22:36] <Unit193> I'll fully admit that I'm "using" MySQL now, but I don't see MariaDB in the repo (Last I knew it was a drop-in replacement.)
[22:39] <thafreak> yeah, it's packaged by the mariadb people, but for whatever reason, it's not been pulled into debian
[22:39] <thafreak> hopefully that will change by precise...but dunno, time's running out
[22:39] <Unit193> Doesn't play nice with the MySQL packages it seems.
[22:40] <jrgifford> i don't think it'll be in precise.
[22:40] <jrgifford> for a few reasons, but among them is the "its an LTS, if we wanted to do this we should have done it on natty" argument
[22:44] <thafreak> BUT
[22:44] <thafreak> it's an LTS release, and security updates are of the utmost importance
[22:45] <thafreak> "One thing to note, the primary motivator for this proposal isn't about
[22:45] <thafreak> moving to a more "open source friendly" application.  We have genuine
[22:45] <thafreak> security concerns/issues with how MySQL handles and publishes their
[22:45] <thafreak> security updates."
[22:47] <thafreak> http://ninjadeveloperclub.com/
[23:05] <paultag> sounds racist
[23:05] <paultag> also
[23:05] <thafreak> you're racist
[23:05] <paultag> it should be a blank page
[23:06] <paultag> also, so much bootstrap.js
[23:06] <paultag> erm, .css
[23:15] <jrgifford> thafreak, didn't hear about the security concerns. they are valid.
[23:15] <jrgifford> paultag, don't go hating on bootstrap
[23:15] <jrgifford> just hate on *companies* who use bootstrap
[23:16] <jrgifford> i think a developer who makes something in one night can use bootstrap, but a company that uses bootstrap should have their entire company, from the garbage boy to the CEO shot and hung.
[23:16] <jrgifford> :P
[23:18] <paultag> jrgifford: I use bootstrap
[23:21] <Unit193> Can we shoot him?
[23:35] <jrgifford> paultag, for professional projects?
[23:39] <paultag> jrgifford: jep
[23:42] <jrgifford> I don't know you any more. :P
[23:47] <paultag> jrgifford: it's for administrative stuff
[23:47] <paultag> that only us (the developers) see
[23:47] <paultag> but it's part of a professonal project
[23:47] <jrgifford> oh, ok thats ok then. as long as the end user/paying customer isn't seeing it i'm ok with using bootstrap. :P
[23:47] <paultag> ergo, suckit
[23:47] <jrgifford> lol
[23:48] <paultag> if *anyone* has to see someone else's bootstrap
[23:48] <paultag> yer doing it wrong
[23:52] <thafreak> so, I've never used this bootstrap before
[23:52] <thafreak> why you guys so against it being used by end users?
[23:52] <jrgifford> http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/
[23:53] <jrgifford> im against it because if everyone uses bootstrap for their front facing UI
[23:53] <jrgifford> then we'll never see a well designed website again
[23:53] <thafreak> oh ok
[23:53] <thafreak> makes everything look like twitter or something?
[23:53] <jrgifford> yup.
[23:53] <thafreak> nothing bad about it technologically then?
[23:54] <jrgifford> now, i'm really liking this use of bootstrap though, because even though it uses bootstrap, it doesn't look like bootstrap -  http://blog.dasroot.net/
[23:54] <paultag> jrgifford: also that fleetr thing
[23:54] <jrgifford> technologically, nothing - other than the fact @fat doesn't like semicolons in his JS.
[23:54] <paultag> http://www.fleetio.com/
[23:55] <jrgifford> paultag, never heard of it. zerb foundation
[23:55] <paultag> they use hella bootstrap
[23:55] <jrgifford> that doesn't look like bootstrap at all.
[23:56] <thafreak> ?
[23:56] <thafreak> is that sarcasm...i can't tell
[23:56] <jrgifford> thafreak, what, about fat not liking semicolons?
[23:57] <jrgifford> or not looking like bootstrap?
[23:57] <thafreak> no about fleetio not looking like bootstrap
[23:57] <jrgifford> it doesn't use a lot of the big tell tales.
[23:57] <jrgifford> aka, the bit fat topbar, the border menus etc