| astraljava | len-1204: They seem to be related to the last revision, in which falktx mentions support being added for both Xfce and KDE menus. | 00:04 |
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| falktx | len-1204: I did my research there, that was the best method I could come up with that worked in most DEs (at least Gnome, XFCE and KDE) | 00:06 |
| falktx | the old method only worked properly on Gnome | 00:06 |
| falktx | didn't worked on XFCE and had issues with KDE | 00:06 |
| len-1204 | Oh boy... Ok, Scott wanted some changes, I was going to try some.... Are we wooried about anything other than xfce still? | 00:07 |
| falktx | ubuntustudio-menu package is installable in any DE | 00:22 |
| falktx | It makes sense to make that it supports more than just xfce | 00:23 |
| holstein | falktx: i like where your head is at with that | 00:35 |
| falktx | :) | 00:43 |
| len-1204 | I figured... | 00:43 |
| len-1204 | Any idea which one is which? | 00:43 |
| falktx | which? | 00:44 |
| len-1204 | the menu files. | 00:44 |
| falktx | len-1204: only the "remove old entry" is duplicated | 00:44 |
| falktx | the big file is the main one | 00:44 |
| len-1204 | which one is for which desktop kind | 00:45 |
| falktx | hm? | 00:45 |
| * falktx is confused | 00:45 | |
| len-1204 | The idea of the files in /etc/xdg is that they should work with any desktop enviro. | 00:46 |
| len-1204 | so how come I have two files that do the same thing? | 00:46 |
| len-1204 | If they are to support more than one DE then which one supports which DE? | 00:47 |
| falktx | ah | 00:48 |
| falktx | I don't remember the details now | 00:49 |
| len-1204 | There are two files (see above) that take a bunch of AV menu items out of mutimedia and split them into video and audio production | 00:49 |
| falktx | but I'm sure the xfce-applications.menu symlink if for xfce | 00:49 |
| len-1204 | Ja ;-) | 00:49 |
| falktx | len-1204: as I said, one of those files only contains the "removed entries" desktop files | 00:49 |
| falktx | there's basically | 00:50 |
| falktx | - big file, contatins all data | 00:50 |
| falktx | - small file, contains removed entries (duplicated from big file, for compatibility with other DEs) | 00:50 |
| falktx | - xfce symlink | 00:50 |
| falktx | I don't remeber the filenames now (for the big and small file) | 00:51 |
| falktx | I did my testing, and that config syntax was the best I could achieve | 00:51 |
| falktx | I use it for my custom kxstudio-menu package | 00:51 |
| len-1204 | So to fiddle with anything I need to install kde and gnome as well? | 00:52 |
| falktx | btw, it works here in razor-qt as well | 00:52 |
| falktx | len-1204: no, the menu file (should) support all | 00:52 |
| falktx | ie, support whatever DE is installed, if they follow the specs | 00:52 |
| falktx | I think the duplicated removed entries is for gnome, now that I think of it... | 00:53 |
| len-1204 | so http://standards.freedesktop.org is a good place to look for what is going on? | 00:54 |
| falktx | len-1204: note - most DEs don't follow standards | 00:54 |
| len-1204 | That includes gnome3? | 00:54 |
| falktx | gnome2 and xfce | 00:54 |
| falktx | len-1204: I never tested with gnome3 | 00:55 |
| falktx | afaik, it doesn't use this kind of menu | 00:55 |
| falktx | the "legacy menu" is only available with custom extensions afaik | 00:55 |
| len-1204 | Oh yeah, shold have thought of that... unity either | 00:55 |
| falktx | yep | 00:55 |
| falktx | I believe this works with 'cardapio' app | 00:55 |
| falktx | I remember seeing it working once | 00:56 |
| len-1204 | I don't get out enough... | 00:56 |
| falktx | someone should test lxde and check if the menu is still valid there | 00:57 |
| len-1204 | I think I will start with the xfce stuff and migrate from there. | 00:57 |
| falktx | len-1204: you want to add more apps to the menu files? | 00:58 |
| len-1204 | another menu or two. Scott wants to take the audio pro and video pro menus out of multimedia and into main | 00:59 |
| falktx | really? | 00:59 |
| len-1204 | Leave MM for desktop stuff. | 00:59 |
| falktx | so we would have: | 00:59 |
| falktx | - Audio | 01:00 |
| falktx | - Video | 01:00 |
| falktx | - Multimedia | 01:00 |
| falktx | the 3? | 01:00 |
| len-1204 | maybe more or just sub menus in audio | 01:00 |
| falktx | len-1204: I can easily make the menu changes when needed, since I made them ;) | 01:01 |
| len-1204 | But that is the idea. | 01:01 |
| falktx | len-1204: just tell me which changes to make (when definitive) | 01:01 |
| len-1204 | I think video can stand as it is, but I was going to put a sub menu for sound gen and maybe one for mixers (there are all these card specific mixers) | 01:03 |
| len-1204 | Part of the problem is I still don't know what apps we will actually finally end up with. | 01:03 |
| len-1204 | I was hoping they would get put in sooner than later. | 01:06 |
| falktx | well, we need to all apps in the menu anyway | 01:06 |
| falktx | ie, if the user installs a daw that doesn't come with US by default, it still should go to the proper menu place | 01:07 |
| falktx | so, we just put all possible desktop files, right? | 01:07 |
| len-1204 | They will, the question is where... it would probably end up in MM | 01:07 |
| len-1204 | ardour 3 already does. | 01:09 |
| falktx | MM? | 01:11 |
| len-1204 | multimedia | 01:11 |
| len-1204 | falktx: it looks like basically the audio and video menus are custom made deals. Most of these files are either audio or video, but there doesn't seem to be a way of splitting them up and still using MM as a catch all. | 01:22 |
| len-1204 | for example audacious would end up in adio | 01:22 |
| len-1204 | audio if we just put all audio thing in audio | 01:23 |
| len-1204 | but we want it in MM. | 01:23 |
| len-1204 | So the excludes and includes have tried to deal with more than just what we ship. | 01:24 |
| len-1204 | There are lots of sub categories in the spec... like audiovideo,audio,mixer, but nobody seems to have used them. | 01:28 |
| len-1204 | Or, they have used so many... | 01:30 |
| len | Ok, changing the one in the /etc/xdg/menus/appliactions-merged directory changes things in the xfce menu right away. | 02:50 |
| len-1204 | Hmm, does it matter on the main menu where the audio and video selections fall? | 03:21 |
| len-1204 | Right now the audio is second from the top and video is at the bottom. I was thinking to put them together. any opinions? | 03:22 |
| len-1204 | ScottL ^^^ | 03:23 |
| ScottL | len-1204, i had considered putting the audio, video, and graphic (and probably photography) menus together in their own section | 03:25 |
| len-1204 | ScottL: Ok I will put a separator in. Should the three be before settings then right at the top? | 03:28 |
| len-1204 | ScottL: I had not thought about photography as different from graphics. So many of the apps might be used for either or. | 03:32 |
| len-1204 | I could put some repeats... | 03:33 |
| holstein | len-1204: ping | 03:38 |
| holstein | len: | 03:38 |
| len-1204 | Aye | 03:38 |
| holstein | len-1204: you busy for about 20 minutes? | 03:38 |
| len-1204 | I can be free a bit. What would yopu like? | 03:39 |
| holstein | len-1204: you want to work on this installer slide show with me? | 03:40 |
| len-1204 | Ok, do you have it on a web site? | 03:40 |
| holstein | nope | 03:41 |
| len-1204 | OK | 03:41 |
| holstein | im actually just getting started | 03:41 |
| holstein | i was thinking about trying to share my screen with you over team viewer or something | 03:41 |
| holstein | let me see how challening that is going to be | 03:41 |
| len-1204 | I don't have anything not in US1204 | 03:41 |
| holstein | i know | 03:42 |
| holstein | i think im going to tyr and get away with using my production machine | 03:42 |
| holstein | its 10.04 | 03:42 |
| holstein | but the stuff looks the same | 03:42 |
| holstein | i dont thing we need shots of the menus and stuff, since that is still in flux | 03:43 |
| len-1204 | It is just a web page. If you take the ubiquity one we have now and hit the browser with the index.html file it works in firefox | 03:43 |
| len-1204 | I would just put screen shots of apps | 03:44 |
| holstein | yeah, thats what i was thinking | 03:44 |
| len-1204 | We could even use the same shot they do for firefox | 03:44 |
| holstein | sure | 03:45 |
| len-1204 | It may be easiest if I fire up the live dvd so i have access to the size of pictures they use. | 03:46 |
| len-1204 | the ones they have in xubunutu | 03:46 |
| len-1204 | xubuntu | 03:46 |
| holstein | that would be great! | 03:46 |
| len-1204 | are too big. they push the bottom progress bar off the bottom of the screen | 03:47 |
| holstein | knome told me the sizes | 03:47 |
| holstein | not that i remember where that went | 03:47 |
| len-1204 | Ya but they were the same as xubuntu I think | 03:47 |
| len-1204 | c u in two or so. | 03:47 |
| holstein | cool! | 03:47 |
| === ubuntu-studio is now known as Len-live | ||
| Len-live | holstein: I'm back | 03:52 |
| holstein | Len-live: does this work? http://go.teamviewer.com/v7/m28470806 | 03:53 |
| Len-live | I get :You need a newer version of Adobe Flash Player to use TeamViewer. You can download this player | 03:54 |
| holstein | you cant just force it? | 03:54 |
| micahg | flash should be up to date in all releases | 03:56 |
| Len-live | I would have thought... but I am live. I may have to download it. | 03:56 |
| micahg | yes, we don't ship flash on media | 03:57 |
| holstein | Len-live: not a deal breaker | 03:58 |
| Len-live | I don't get the normal installer either. | 03:59 |
| Len-live | Ok, I went to youtube... now loading. | 04:01 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/jack1.png | 04:01 |
| Len-live | Anyway, slideshow.conf says 752x442 | 04:02 |
| Len-live | With the size that you sent you would have to put any text on top. | 04:03 |
| Len-live | their browser shot is 448X304 | 04:05 |
| ScottL | holstein, Len-live , don't forget about the roadmap that links to the slideshow specs (including image sizes, etc) | 04:06 |
| ScottL | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap | 04:06 |
| Len-live | That sure gets the point across about lots of connections though. | 04:07 |
| holstein | ScottL: cool... that'll do it | 04:07 |
| ScottL | i would suggest keeping in mind what you want to feature or highlight about what ubuntu studio represents or offers | 04:07 |
| holstein | Len-live: let me just link some, and you through out ideas | 04:07 |
| ScottL | e.g., show jack and say that it offers infinite connections and hyper-low latencies | 04:08 |
| holstein | if we get the shots and the text together, i can do the size | 04:08 |
| ScottL | jack has unlimited tracks, in-line plugins, automated faders, etc, etc | 04:08 |
| ScottL | basically i was stealing those lines from their respective website ;) | 04:08 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/ardour.png | 04:09 |
| Len-live | Ok, that gets two apps at once though we don't have to. We could adjust the slide chaneg rate too | 04:10 |
| Len-live | Again though I don't see where you would put the text | 04:11 |
| holstein | Len-live: knome said if they are the correct size, we just get the text to him and he'll knock it out | 04:11 |
| holstein | not really sure how | 04:11 |
| holstein | Len-live: are you alright with those 2? | 04:12 |
| Len-live | Knock it out as in put it on top? I was looking at the original and it has text beside the images for the most part | 04:12 |
| Len-live | they have good content. | 04:12 |
| ScottL | holstein, i didn't look at the image but combining jack and ardour wouldn't be a bad thing to do | 04:12 |
| Len-live | He had ardour and jammin | 04:12 |
| ScottL | that's good too :) | 04:13 |
| Len-live | The first was qjackdctl with the conection screen open behind. | 04:13 |
| Len-live | We should use the one they have for shotwell | 04:14 |
| holstein | man... i dont know *anything* about blender | 04:14 |
| holstein | yup... agreed about shotwell | 04:15 |
| holstein | Len-live: is there a "gimp" one? i was about to do that | 04:15 |
| Len-live | Can leave the text the same too | 04:15 |
| Len-live | No there is no gimp | 04:15 |
| holstein | we need a GIMP? | 04:16 |
| holstein | i mean, i want JACK and ardour for sure | 04:16 |
| holstein | the GIMP and blender were on my list | 04:16 |
| Len-live | They have a browse, office, USC, customize, photographs, mobilize, social, music and startfast | 04:17 |
| holstein | Len-live: are you a MIDI guy? | 04:17 |
| Len-live | I would do something with gimp, not sure what... I don't know blender either | 04:17 |
| Len-live | i know what a chord looks like on a key board... ;-) | 04:18 |
| holstein | hehe | 04:18 |
| holstein | Len-live: i say we use one from the blender site | 04:18 |
| holstein | you agree? | 04:18 |
| Len-live | Good idea | 04:18 |
| Len-live | I haven't seen it, but I figure they know what it can do | 04:19 |
| Len-live | I think the only two we can use from the original Sliideshow are the shotwell and browser. | 04:20 |
| holstein | nice text here too :) | 04:20 |
| Len-live | Ok. | 04:21 |
| Len-live | Looking at the blender site I am not sure which one. | 04:23 |
| holstein | Len-live: i got one | 04:25 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/blender.png | 04:25 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/gimp.png | 04:25 |
| holstein | let me load up a screenie of midi apps | 04:26 |
| Len-live | holstein: Both look good, but I have to go, the family needs me | 04:26 |
| Len-live | Ok one more | 04:26 |
| Len-live | You guys with the uprights sure like to bend those strings. A friend of mine hits them pretty hard too. | 04:28 |
| Len-live | I thought I was rough, but mine is amplified. | 04:28 |
| holstein | hehe | 04:29 |
| holstein | Len-live: thanks for the help | 04:29 |
| Len-live | Ok, if you leave a link up I'll look when I get back | 04:30 |
| holstein | Len-live: i think id like to keep the shotwell one only | 05:20 |
| holstein | i think the FF one will be out of place | 05:21 |
| holstein | and, some folks doing audio production dont have their machines online | 05:21 |
| Len-live | Ok, not exactly inspirational anyway. | 05:44 |
| Len-live | holstein: did you find a midi shot? | 05:45 |
| holstein | Len-live: lemme link you the shots i have | 05:45 |
| holstein | SO, im thinking no on the FF one | 05:45 |
| holstein | but lets keep the openshot one | 05:45 |
| holstein | then... | 05:45 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/ardour.png | 05:45 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/blender.png | 05:46 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/effects.png | 05:46 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/effets2.png | 05:46 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/gimp.png | 05:46 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/jack1.png | 05:46 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/MIDI1.png | 05:46 |
| holstein | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/qtractor.png | 05:46 |
| holstein | that would be 9 | 05:46 |
| holstein | there are 2 rakarrack-ish ones though | 05:47 |
| Len-live | I would take the qtracktor over the hydrogen one | 05:49 |
| Len-live | Hydrogen is really good, but the other shows whats going on better | 05:50 |
| Len-live | It would be nice if we had a video editing something. | 05:50 |
| holstein | Len-live: i had lsd make it for me :) | 05:50 |
| holstein | Len-live: thats openshot right? | 05:50 |
| holstein | or is that photo? | 05:50 |
| Len-live | open shot is more photography | 05:50 |
| holstein | i really like kden | 05:51 |
| holstein | but thats mis-representinng i think | 05:51 |
| Len-live | Hard to show video editing in a still though | 05:51 |
| holstein | ScottL: are you home? | 05:51 |
| Len-live | It may be a bit late for him | 05:52 |
| holstein | hmmm.... | 05:52 |
| holstein | he has some video projects though... | 05:52 |
| holstein | Len-live: what editor is "default" ? | 05:53 |
| Len-live | which kind of editor? video? | 05:53 |
| holstein | yup | 05:53 |
| Len-live | Oops open shot is video, I was thinking shotwell that is photo | 05:54 |
| holstein | Len-live: COOL | 05:54 |
| holstein | that makes things easier | 05:54 |
| holstein | or was that shotwell in the slider? | 05:54 |
| holstein | prolly was | 05:54 |
| Len-live | the other is xjdeo | 05:55 |
| Len-live | xjadeo is how its spelt | 05:55 |
| holstein | hehe | 05:55 |
| Len-live | there is a subtitle editor as well. | 05:56 |
| Len-live | the slider had shotwell. | 05:56 |
| holstein | lets just use http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/openshot.png | 05:57 |
| holstein | and i think we are done | 05:57 |
| holstein | i mean, choosing, that is | 05:57 |
| Len-live | That works | 05:57 |
| Len-live | What are you using as title? | 05:59 |
| holstein | Len-live: not sure yet | 05:59 |
| holstein | im going to look over the guidelines | 05:59 |
| holstein | get the sizes right | 05:59 |
| holstein | steal from the sites as much as possible | 06:00 |
| Len-live | Easiest way to do it | 06:00 |
| Len-live | holstein: I'm rebooting back to 1204 installed to do some more menu playing. | 06:01 |
| holstein | Len-live: cool | 06:01 |
| holstein | im going to crash | 06:01 |
| holstein | im beat! | 06:01 |
| Len-live | night | 06:01 |
| holstein | knome: i should have all this ready for you tomorrow... thanks! | 06:02 |
| knome | holstein, sure | 08:08 |
| holstein | knome: ping | 16:49 |
| knome | holstein, dong | 16:49 |
| holstein | o/ | 16:49 |
| holstein | knome: im resizing the slides.. do you have a second? | 16:49 |
| knome | yeah, a second maybe :) | 16:50 |
| holstein | 215x130 is *really* cramping the style | 16:50 |
| holstein | not useable | 16:50 |
| holstein | did you say there was a bigger size if i *dont* have just one window? | 16:50 |
| holstein | the res has to be 72 right? | 16:50 |
| holstein | i can take smaller parts of the screen shot as well.. im just seeking input | 16:51 |
| knome | 215x130? who said that? | 16:59 |
| holstein | im referencing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/Slideshow | 16:59 |
| holstein | knome: i didnt make a note of what you had said, though i should have | 16:59 |
| knome | right. | 16:59 |
| holstein | i remember there being a few size options | 16:59 |
| knome | so | 17:01 |
| knome | the sizes are | 17:01 |
| knome | either 450x410 (if it's cut from right-bottom, like: http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/slideshow/04_abiword.png) | 17:01 |
| holstein | im am putting these in a text file in dropbox *right* *now* ! | 17:01 |
| knome | or, 440x370, if you're presenting a "full" shot, like: http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/slideshow/04_abiword.png | 17:02 |
| holstein | knome: thanks... i think that'll do it | 17:02 |
| knome | ok, good | 17:03 |
| scott-work | TheMuso: did you get your changes into REVU? i don't think i see any updates | 20:51 |
| TheMuso | scott-work: No, for some reason I am unable to upload to review, the incoming directory doesn't appear to exist on the server after the downtime last week... | 21:13 |
| scott-work | TheMuso: hmmm, i had trouble as well earler but siretart helped me | 21:16 |
| TheMuso | scott-work: How so? | 21:16 |
| scott-work | TheMuso: i managed to dput it up, although it went to a rejected directory or similar, but siretart pulled it out and put it in new | 21:46 |
| TheMuso | scott-work: Right... | 21:51 |
| TheMuso | scott-work: That doesn't really help, as revu uploads are broken for everybody else. | 21:52 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, i meant that maybe siretart might be able to help | 23:01 |
| len | ScottL: is there any reason not to do things as xubuntu has done for menus. They have made their own xdg directory and done everything from scratch. | 23:06 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: Thanks, seems someone is around who has admin powers to have a look. | 23:14 |
| ScottL | len, is that not what falktx_ did with our menu? | 23:28 |
| ScottL | len, also, are you able to install from the live dvd image? | 23:28 |
| len | ScottL: No, he has just merged into the stock one. | 23:28 |
| len | Yes I can install. | 23:29 |
| ScottL | len, oh, didn't know that :/ | 23:29 |
| len | At least two days ago. I did not try yesterdays or todays. | 23:29 |
| len | Xubuntu created a directory /etc/xdg/xubuntu-xdg and put a copy of anything in xdg in there and then made what they want and set the configpath to that instead of /etyc/xdg | 23:30 |
| len | It would mean changing some other things, but might make setting up themes etc easier too. | 23:31 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: Ok uploading now, will take a while. | 23:31 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, exciting! thank you :) | 23:32 |
| TheMuso | To revu that is... | 23:32 |
| ScottL | yeah, i know ;) | 23:32 |
| len | ScottL: is there any reason to try another install just now? I have been using the last one to play with menus. | 23:33 |
| ScottL | len, i don't know, i'm just trying to get one installed | 23:34 |
| ScottL | len, do you choose "install" from the first menu or go live then install it? | 23:34 |
| len | The one problem with replacing the xdg menu is for those who are running something else and installing our meta. | 23:34 |
| len | I have done it both ways, but mostly from live. | 23:34 |
| len | It means I can run xchat and start an xtermto do less /var/log/syslog so I can watch what is going on. | 23:35 |
| len | I can also set up jackd to RT before first boot and add the default.desktop to make sure lightdm works. | 23:36 |
| len | I was waiting for some changes before I did another install. | 23:38 |
| len | ScottL: I think I have answered my own question on the menus... I will work with it the way it is. | 23:40 |
| len | We are supporting a different base of people than xubuntu and expect people may install one meta in some other distro. I don't want to wreck their setup, just add to it. | 23:41 |
| len | I have got to the point of having the four extra menus, it is just the separating them to their own part of the menu with a separator. More work tonight if I have time. | 23:43 |
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