[00:04] len-1204: They seem to be related to the last revision, in which falktx mentions support being added for both Xfce and KDE menus. [00:06] len-1204: I did my research there, that was the best method I could come up with that worked in most DEs (at least Gnome, XFCE and KDE) [00:06] the old method only worked properly on Gnome [00:06] didn't worked on XFCE and had issues with KDE [00:07] Oh boy... Ok, Scott wanted some changes, I was going to try some.... Are we wooried about anything other than xfce still? [00:22] ubuntustudio-menu package is installable in any DE [00:23] It makes sense to make that it supports more than just xfce [00:35] falktx: i like where your head is at with that [00:43] :) [00:43] I figured... [00:43] Any idea which one is which? [00:44] which? [00:44] the menu files. [00:44] len-1204: only the "remove old entry" is duplicated [00:44] the big file is the main one [00:45] which one is for which desktop kind [00:45] hm? [00:45] * falktx is confused [00:46] The idea of the files in /etc/xdg is that they should work with any desktop enviro. [00:46] so how come I have two files that do the same thing? [00:47] If they are to support more than one DE then which one supports which DE? [00:48] ah [00:49] I don't remember the details now [00:49] There are two files (see above) that take a bunch of AV menu items out of mutimedia and split them into video and audio production [00:49] but I'm sure the xfce-applications.menu symlink if for xfce [00:49] Ja ;-) [00:49] len-1204: as I said, one of those files only contains the "removed entries" desktop files [00:50] there's basically [00:50] - big file, contatins all data [00:50] - small file, contains removed entries (duplicated from big file, for compatibility with other DEs) [00:50] - xfce symlink [00:51] I don't remeber the filenames now (for the big and small file) [00:51] I did my testing, and that config syntax was the best I could achieve [00:51] I use it for my custom kxstudio-menu package [00:52] So to fiddle with anything I need to install kde and gnome as well? [00:52] btw, it works here in razor-qt as well [00:52] len-1204: no, the menu file (should) support all [00:52] ie, support whatever DE is installed, if they follow the specs [00:53] I think the duplicated removed entries is for gnome, now that I think of it... [00:54] so http://standards.freedesktop.org is a good place to look for what is going on? [00:54] len-1204: note - most DEs don't follow standards [00:54] That includes gnome3? [00:54] gnome2 and xfce [00:55] len-1204: I never tested with gnome3 [00:55] afaik, it doesn't use this kind of menu [00:55] the "legacy menu" is only available with custom extensions afaik [00:55] Oh yeah, shold have thought of that... unity either [00:55] yep [00:55] I believe this works with 'cardapio' app [00:56] I remember seeing it working once [00:56] I don't get out enough... [00:57] someone should test lxde and check if the menu is still valid there [00:57] I think I will start with the xfce stuff and migrate from there. [00:58] len-1204: you want to add more apps to the menu files? [00:59] another menu or two. Scott wants to take the audio pro and video pro menus out of multimedia and into main [00:59] really? [00:59] Leave MM for desktop stuff. [00:59] so we would have: [01:00] - Audio [01:00] - Video [01:00] - Multimedia [01:00] the 3? [01:00] maybe more or just sub menus in audio [01:01] len-1204: I can easily make the menu changes when needed, since I made them ;) [01:01] But that is the idea. [01:01] len-1204: just tell me which changes to make (when definitive) [01:03] I think video can stand as it is, but I was going to put a sub menu for sound gen and maybe one for mixers (there are all these card specific mixers) [01:03] Part of the problem is I still don't know what apps we will actually finally end up with. [01:06] I was hoping they would get put in sooner than later. [01:06] well, we need to all apps in the menu anyway [01:07] ie, if the user installs a daw that doesn't come with US by default, it still should go to the proper menu place [01:07] so, we just put all possible desktop files, right? [01:07] They will, the question is where... it would probably end up in MM [01:09] ardour 3 already does. [01:11] MM? [01:11] multimedia [01:22] falktx: it looks like basically the audio and video menus are custom made deals. Most of these files are either audio or video, but there doesn't seem to be a way of splitting them up and still using MM as a catch all. [01:22] for example audacious would end up in adio [01:23] audio if we just put all audio thing in audio [01:23] but we want it in MM. [01:24] So the excludes and includes have tried to deal with more than just what we ship. [01:28] There are lots of sub categories in the spec... like audiovideo,audio,mixer, but nobody seems to have used them. [01:30] Or, they have used so many... [02:50] Ok, changing the one in the /etc/xdg/menus/appliactions-merged directory changes things in the xfce menu right away. [03:21] Hmm, does it matter on the main menu where the audio and video selections fall? [03:22] Right now the audio is second from the top and video is at the bottom. I was thinking to put them together. any opinions? [03:23] ScottL ^^^ [03:25] len-1204, i had considered putting the audio, video, and graphic (and probably photography) menus together in their own section [03:28] ScottL: Ok I will put a separator in. Should the three be before settings then right at the top? [03:32] ScottL: I had not thought about photography as different from graphics. So many of the apps might be used for either or. [03:33] I could put some repeats... [03:38] len-1204: ping [03:38] len: [03:38] Aye [03:38] len-1204: you busy for about 20 minutes? [03:39] I can be free a bit. What would yopu like? [03:40] len-1204: you want to work on this installer slide show with me? [03:40] Ok, do you have it on a web site? [03:41] nope [03:41] OK [03:41] im actually just getting started [03:41] i was thinking about trying to share my screen with you over team viewer or something [03:41] let me see how challening that is going to be [03:41] I don't have anything not in US1204 [03:42] i know [03:42] i think im going to tyr and get away with using my production machine [03:42] its 10.04 [03:42] but the stuff looks the same [03:43] i dont thing we need shots of the menus and stuff, since that is still in flux [03:43] It is just a web page. If you take the ubiquity one we have now and hit the browser with the index.html file it works in firefox [03:44] I would just put screen shots of apps [03:44] yeah, thats what i was thinking [03:44] We could even use the same shot they do for firefox [03:45] sure [03:46] It may be easiest if I fire up the live dvd so i have access to the size of pictures they use. [03:46] the ones they have in xubunutu [03:46] xubuntu [03:46] that would be great! [03:47] are too big. they push the bottom progress bar off the bottom of the screen [03:47] knome told me the sizes [03:47] not that i remember where that went [03:47] Ya but they were the same as xubuntu I think [03:47] c u in two or so. [03:47] cool! === ubuntu-studio is now known as Len-live [03:52] holstein: I'm back [03:53] Len-live: does this work? http://go.teamviewer.com/v7/m28470806 [03:54] I get :You need a newer version of Adobe Flash Player to use TeamViewer. You can download this player [03:54] you cant just force it? [03:56] flash should be up to date in all releases [03:56] I would have thought... but I am live. I may have to download it. [03:57] yes, we don't ship flash on media [03:58] Len-live: not a deal breaker [03:59] I don't get the normal installer either. [04:01] Ok, I went to youtube... now loading. [04:01] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/jack1.png [04:02] Anyway, slideshow.conf says 752x442 [04:03] With the size that you sent you would have to put any text on top. [04:05] their browser shot is 448X304 [04:06] holstein, Len-live , don't forget about the roadmap that links to the slideshow specs (including image sizes, etc) [04:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap [04:07] That sure gets the point across about lots of connections though. [04:07] ScottL: cool... that'll do it [04:07] i would suggest keeping in mind what you want to feature or highlight about what ubuntu studio represents or offers [04:07] Len-live: let me just link some, and you through out ideas [04:08] e.g., show jack and say that it offers infinite connections and hyper-low latencies [04:08] if we get the shots and the text together, i can do the size [04:08] jack has unlimited tracks, in-line plugins, automated faders, etc, etc [04:08] basically i was stealing those lines from their respective website ;) [04:09] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/ardour.png [04:10] Ok, that gets two apps at once though we don't have to. We could adjust the slide chaneg rate too [04:11] Again though I don't see where you would put the text [04:11] Len-live: knome said if they are the correct size, we just get the text to him and he'll knock it out [04:11] not really sure how [04:12] Len-live: are you alright with those 2? [04:12] Knock it out as in put it on top? I was looking at the original and it has text beside the images for the most part [04:12] they have good content. [04:12] holstein, i didn't look at the image but combining jack and ardour wouldn't be a bad thing to do [04:12] He had ardour and jammin [04:13] that's good too :) [04:13] The first was qjackdctl with the conection screen open behind. [04:14] We should use the one they have for shotwell [04:14] man... i dont know *anything* about blender [04:15] yup... agreed about shotwell [04:15] Len-live: is there a "gimp" one? i was about to do that [04:15] Can leave the text the same too [04:15] No there is no gimp [04:16] we need a GIMP? [04:16] i mean, i want JACK and ardour for sure [04:16] the GIMP and blender were on my list [04:17] They have a browse, office, USC, customize, photographs, mobilize, social, music and startfast [04:17] Len-live: are you a MIDI guy? [04:17] I would do something with gimp, not sure what... I don't know blender either [04:18] i know what a chord looks like on a key board... ;-) [04:18] hehe [04:18] Len-live: i say we use one from the blender site [04:18] you agree? [04:18] Good idea [04:19] I haven't seen it, but I figure they know what it can do [04:20] I think the only two we can use from the original Sliideshow are the shotwell and browser. [04:20] nice text here too :) [04:21] Ok. [04:23] Looking at the blender site I am not sure which one. [04:25] Len-live: i got one [04:25] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/blender.png [04:25] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/gimp.png [04:26] let me load up a screenie of midi apps [04:26] holstein: Both look good, but I have to go, the family needs me [04:26] Ok one more [04:28] You guys with the uprights sure like to bend those strings. A friend of mine hits them pretty hard too. [04:28] I thought I was rough, but mine is amplified. [04:29] hehe [04:29] Len-live: thanks for the help [04:30] Ok, if you leave a link up I'll look when I get back [05:20] Len-live: i think id like to keep the shotwell one only [05:21] i think the FF one will be out of place [05:21] and, some folks doing audio production dont have their machines online [05:44] Ok, not exactly inspirational anyway. [05:45] holstein: did you find a midi shot? [05:45] Len-live: lemme link you the shots i have [05:45] SO, im thinking no on the FF one [05:45] but lets keep the openshot one [05:45] then... [05:45] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/ardour.png [05:46] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/blender.png [05:46] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/effects.png [05:46] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/effets2.png [05:46] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/gimp.png [05:46] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/jack1.png [05:46] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/MIDI1.png [05:46] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/qtractor.png [05:46] that would be 9 [05:47] there are 2 rakarrack-ish ones though [05:49] I would take the qtracktor over the hydrogen one [05:50] Hydrogen is really good, but the other shows whats going on better [05:50] It would be nice if we had a video editing something. [05:50] Len-live: i had lsd make it for me :) [05:50] Len-live: thats openshot right? [05:50] or is that photo? [05:50] open shot is more photography [05:51] i really like kden [05:51] but thats mis-representinng i think [05:51] Hard to show video editing in a still though [05:51] ScottL: are you home? [05:52] It may be a bit late for him [05:52] hmmm.... [05:52] he has some video projects though... [05:53] Len-live: what editor is "default" ? [05:53] which kind of editor? video? [05:53] yup [05:54] Oops open shot is video, I was thinking shotwell that is photo [05:54] Len-live: COOL [05:54] that makes things easier [05:54] or was that shotwell in the slider? [05:54] prolly was [05:55] the other is xjdeo [05:55] xjadeo is how its spelt [05:55] hehe [05:56] there is a subtitle editor as well. [05:56] the slider had shotwell. [05:57] lets just use http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/openshot.png [05:57] and i think we are done [05:57] i mean, choosing, that is [05:57] That works [05:59] What are you using as title? [05:59] Len-live: not sure yet [05:59] im going to look over the guidelines [05:59] get the sizes right [06:00] steal from the sites as much as possible [06:00] Easiest way to do it [06:01] holstein: I'm rebooting back to 1204 installed to do some more menu playing. [06:01] Len-live: cool [06:01] im going to crash [06:01] im beat! [06:01] night [06:02] knome: i should have all this ready for you tomorrow... thanks! [08:08] holstein, sure [16:49] knome: ping [16:49] holstein, dong [16:49] o/ [16:49] knome: im resizing the slides.. do you have a second? [16:50] yeah, a second maybe :) [16:50] 215x130 is *really* cramping the style [16:50] not useable [16:50] did you say there was a bigger size if i *dont* have just one window? [16:50] the res has to be 72 right? [16:51] i can take smaller parts of the screen shot as well.. im just seeking input [16:59] 215x130? who said that? [16:59] im referencing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/Slideshow [16:59] knome: i didnt make a note of what you had said, though i should have [16:59] right. [16:59] i remember there being a few size options [17:01] so [17:01] the sizes are [17:01] either 450x410 (if it's cut from right-bottom, like: http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/slideshow/04_abiword.png) [17:01] im am putting these in a text file in dropbox *right* *now* ! [17:02] or, 440x370, if you're presenting a "full" shot, like: http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/slideshow/04_abiword.png [17:02] knome: thanks... i think that'll do it [17:03] ok, good [20:51] TheMuso: did you get your changes into REVU? i don't think i see any updates [21:13] scott-work: No, for some reason I am unable to upload to review, the incoming directory doesn't appear to exist on the server after the downtime last week... [21:16] TheMuso: hmmm, i had trouble as well earler but siretart helped me [21:16] scott-work: How so? [21:46] TheMuso: i managed to dput it up, although it went to a rejected directory or similar, but siretart pulled it out and put it in new [21:51] scott-work: Right... [21:52] scott-work: That doesn't really help, as revu uploads are broken for everybody else. [23:01] TheMuso, i meant that maybe siretart might be able to help [23:06] ScottL: is there any reason not to do things as xubuntu has done for menus. They have made their own xdg directory and done everything from scratch. [23:14] ScottL: Thanks, seems someone is around who has admin powers to have a look. [23:28] len, is that not what falktx_ did with our menu? [23:28] len, also, are you able to install from the live dvd image? [23:28] ScottL: No, he has just merged into the stock one. [23:29] Yes I can install. [23:29] len, oh, didn't know that :/ [23:29] At least two days ago. I did not try yesterdays or todays. [23:30] Xubuntu created a directory /etc/xdg/xubuntu-xdg and put a copy of anything in xdg in there and then made what they want and set the configpath to that instead of /etyc/xdg [23:31] It would mean changing some other things, but might make setting up themes etc easier too. [23:31] ScottL: Ok uploading now, will take a while. [23:32] TheMuso, exciting! thank you :) [23:32] To revu that is... [23:32] yeah, i know ;) [23:33] ScottL: is there any reason to try another install just now? I have been using the last one to play with menus. [23:34] len, i don't know, i'm just trying to get one installed [23:34] len, do you choose "install" from the first menu or go live then install it? [23:34] The one problem with replacing the xdg menu is for those who are running something else and installing our meta. [23:34] I have done it both ways, but mostly from live. [23:35] It means I can run xchat and start an xtermto do less /var/log/syslog so I can watch what is going on. [23:36] I can also set up jackd to RT before first boot and add the default.desktop to make sure lightdm works. [23:38] I was waiting for some changes before I did another install. [23:40] ScottL: I think I have answered my own question on the menus... I will work with it the way it is. [23:41] We are supporting a different base of people than xubuntu and expect people may install one meta in some other distro. I don't want to wreck their setup, just add to it. [23:43] I have got to the point of having the four extra menus, it is just the separating them to their own part of the menu with a separator. More work tonight if I have time.